• 3-9-2017 You really really need to learn what the words mean before you expose yourself in public. 'Paradise' is Greek for 'garden', which is a walled place with flowing water, either natural or man made. The garden of Eden did not exist when Jesus spoke, and they were both dying, so it is bonkers to say that the thief would be in paradise that day. Jesus said "Verily I say unto thee today," which was a common expression at that time. "Today" did not modify "thou shalt be with me," it was a separate sentence. Regardless of your prejudices, this stuff is all real so it all has to make sense in the real world, remembering that some things were said in figures of speech that are not literally true. 2 Peter 3:16 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." As for hell, that is a hole and a hole is a grave. Check any dictionary. Every body goes there.
    • Anoname
      I'm a believer - with some Seminary training. Abraham's bosum and Paradise are one and the same. This was not referring to the Garden of Eden but a gardenLIKE place where those faithful to God went to , to await being taken to God's presence. Nobody was justified to be His presence before Jesus reconciled us to Him. Jewish belief was that this was a compartment within Hell. Paradise was moved to God's presence upon Jesus' ascention - in His train. He took captivity captive in this way. My theology is sound. The "hole" argument is usually used by anihilationists. Thank you for your perspective.
    • Jewels Vern
      You have been taught bullshit. The bible does not say any such thing. If the bible doesn't say something, it could only be made up by somebody else.
    • Anoname
      Again, thank you for your perspective. Since you deny Jesus decended into Hell for us at all - as you choose not to believe that Hell even exists - you are unable to answer the question as asked.
    • Jewels Vern
      You have very good manners. I am pleasantly surprised.
    • Jewels Vern
      BTW I have never said hell does not exist. I have always said hell is a hole is a grave: everybody goes there.
  • Hell in Greek means the common grave of mankind. When one dies they are nonexistent, Ecclesiastics 9:5,10 makes it clear that there is no life in the grave. Jesus also says death is like going to sleep until awaken at John 11:11. Jesus did not say he would be in paradise that exact day he said "Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in paradise". Luke 23:42 has been applied wrong by some by removing the comma. Jesus was dead for three days, asleep in death until God resurrected him on the 3rd day. He did not die on a cross, but on a stake or tree.
    • Anoname
      I've researched this theory and found it flawed. I disagree with you but appreciate your viewpoint.
    • beaker95
      Very civil....
    • Gone!
      Hell in this case is the realm of the dead. Many scholars have noticed that Jesus uses "truly I tell you" as a prefix phrase when He is about to say something that should be listened to with care. Seventy-six times in the New Testament, Jesus uses the phrase. Interestingly, no one but Jesus ever says it. When the Lord says ?I tell you the truth,? He is affirming that what He is about to say is worthy of special attention. It was Jesus? way of saying, ?Listen up! What I?m about to say is very important and should be listened to carefully.? We?re too used to hearing the phrase to appreciate the astonishing authority it expresses and the often solemn nature of the announcement that follows. In every one of the 76 times Christ uses this introductory phrase, He simply says it and then makes a startling statement. It would be strange indeed if, in this one instance, Jesus departed from His normal way of making His signature statement by adding the word today to it. In every case where this sort of introductory phrase is used, Greek scholars add a punctuation break after the phrase in question and before the rest of the statement. So, the translators have it right. The comma in Luke 23:43 belongs where they put it. (
    • Anoname
      Well said, Gone !
    • Jewels Vern
      Bear in mind that the original scriptures, both Greek and Hebrew, had no punctuation, no capitalization, no verse numbers, no chapters, no center references. All those things were added by somebody to give their opinion of what the scriptures should have said. Punctuation and capitalization are required in English. For example, every time the text says "pneuma hagion", "holy spirit", the interpreter must decide if that is God, which must be capitalized, or God's gift to believers, which is not capitalized. In that way, God has prevented the interpretation of His word by any central authority; every believer has to read the scriptures and decide for himself what it means and whether it was translated correctly.
  • Everyone on earth, or who has lived, will go to Hell. Yes, even Jesus went to Hell. But what is hell? Certainly not a fiery place of torment. The two words Sheol (Hebrew) and Hades (Greek) both describe a symbolic place or condition where in all activity and consciousness cease. His death and resurrection fulfilled the words at Psalm 16:10. The Apostle Paul pointed that out at Acts 2 v 31.
  • Everyone on earth, or who has lived, will go to Hell. Yes, even Jesus went to Hell. But what is hell? Certainly not a fiery place of torment. The two words Sheol (Hebrew) and Hades (Greek) both describe a symbolic place or condition where in all activity and consciousness cease. His death and resurrection fulfilled the words at Psalm 16:10. The Apostle Paul pointed that out at Acts 2 v 31.
  • By reading your question that appears to be a contradiction: keep in mind that Jesus went to Heaven twice after His death. The first time with the thief to welcome him there, as all spirits return to God. Ecclesiastes 12:7 "and the dust returns to the Earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." Followed by spending 3 days in hell. Matthew 12:40 "For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth." And second when He conquered death by His resurrection and His ascension to Heaven. Acts 1:9-12 "And when He had said these things, as they were looking on, He was lifted up, and a cloud took Him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into Heaven as He went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into Heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into Heaven, will come in the same way as you saw Him go into Heaven."
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  • The idea of a flaming hell where people were tortured is specifically warned against in the Old testament word for word here it is friend. And you must not teach your children that when they pass that they will go through the fire to be with molex that's the pagan God of fire by the way! Because such a teaching is an abomination to me I did not teach you to tell them such a thing and such a thought has never entered my mind! That's right word for word friend almighty god Jehovah specifically condemns the teaching of hellfire. He tells everybody in advance it's a false doctrine something that you're not supposed to tell and furthermore then he goes on to tell the Israelites to put to death anybody that dares to teach such a slanderous thing. In the New testament in all three Gospels it says do not fear men who can kill your body and then do no more to you but rather be in fear of God who after he has killed you can destroy what is left of you in hell. Notice friend that God kills you first before he disposes of what is left of you in hell. Hell is a blazing garbage dump made to destroy the garbage. God does not throw human beings alive into hell to burn to death he kills you first. There's only one creature that is thrown into hell alive the wild beast of Revelation! That's the only organization that God chooses to burn to death to be executed by burning. According to the Bible even the worst criminal is not to be burned to death he's to be executed first before having his body consumed in the fire. The New testament has been contaminated by Roman pagan doctrine through the Roman Catholic Church
  • >> In Jesus' day Paradise was a compartment within Hell
  • Paradise is also know as Abraham's bossom. You can see it is separate from Hades The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke 16:19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [a]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [b]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
  • Heaven and Hell are just made up places. Jesus and Satan simply have a silly bet going on to see who can collect the most souls. Jesus is winning, because He took the bet way more seriously.
  • To my knowledge there is no mention of that at all. The only reason we know of the nature of Paradise and Hades is the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man
  • The Bible doesn't teach that hell is on fire in the first place that's a pagan bullcrap doctrine haven't you ever read your Bible. I'll give you one scripture that's found in all three of the gospels that proves that a flaming hell is total bull crap. Do not fear men who can only kill the body and then do no more rather be in fear of The God who after he has killed you can throw your soul into hell to be destroyed. Notice that you're dead when God throws you into hell to be destroyed. The flames of hell are there to burn your body up to cremate you're dead body the Bible says you're dead when God throws you into hell to be destroyed. Furthermore in the Old testament God specifically warns you against teaching the false doctrine of hell. It's of The commandments in the Jewish law you must not teach your children that when they pass that they will go through the fire to be with molec! That's the bullhorn god of fire in case you don't understand. God goes on to say for such a thought is an abomination to me it is something that I did not command you to teach. Such an idea would never enter into my mind! And then God goes further to tell the Israelites to take anybody teaching that false doctrine outside the city and to Stone them to death. Why are we still on this subject God's very plain you go around telling people that God tortures people in the fire you're supposed to be taken outside the city in stone to death for telling such a lie.

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