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by Honda_S on August 13th, 2008
lmao to the first response. I drive a Honda S2000 and stock for stock a RUSTANG has no chance. unless you start crying and say no no what about a saleen bla bla. its all about power to weight ratios. also id love to see any of those classic cars do anything other than go in a stright line
by Arisztid on January 28th, 2009
Give me muscle!
As you know I take every chance to show a picture of the car I grew up with. This is not our GS but add a ragtop to this and this is the car I spent my childhood with, both working on and being beside my father as he drag raced.
There is nothing like a big block!
http://www.buickstreet.com/images/larrys-1970-gs-455-engine-bay1.jpg
http://www.buickstreet.com/images/larrys-1970-gs-455-main.jpg
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on November 5th, 2007
Rocket.
Over 250 HP (sometimes well over) from the showroom for under $30, 0-60 in under 6 seconds (sometimes well under), the ability to actually corner, and I can drive in all five seasons. Ever take a Mustang mud-bogging? If not, you would never make it to my house two months out of the year.
I will admit that muscle cars are better looking, but I prefer cars over museum pieces. Driving is more than just doing straight-line runs on dry pavement too.
by Anonymous on January 13th, 2008
I own a mazda rx7 turbo that will blow away most muscle cars but i also own a mustang cobra that is quite fast, and theres nothing else like the sound of a v8. I would have to say 50/50.
by Bonfireking on November 4th, 2007
Classic muscle! A stock V-8 in a mustang will beat a stock 4. My point is that if you want horsepower, why not start high and add to it? Why buy a 4, then dump $10 grand in it to get it where a Mustang (or equivalent) starts?
by xxx on March 18th, 2009
American muscle
by Bartey on February 17th, 2009
Classic muscle...
by timmy o tool on February 17th, 2009
I'll take muscle...I guess. I live in New England and Have driven the following cars all winter long in serious snow so don't give me any of that crap about can't handle bad weather. 88 Mustang LX 5.0, 97 Camaro, 66 Chevelle, 83 Camaro. I drove everyone of those cars in bad weather, never missed a day of work because of it. You just have to have good tires, weight in the rear and now how to drive.
The idea that american muscles cars can only go straight is also stupid and incorrect. Unless we're talking about cars from the 60's....you wanna compare them to cars from Japan from the 60's? Didn't think so.
I'm not bashing imports though. I like all cars. The bashing of either side just shows your ignorance and usually age. I'm currently thinking of moving on from my camaro, has almost 120,000 miles now. One car I'm pondering is a WRX and an Eclipse/Talon awd turbo....just need to find a used one that isn't beat and modded to hell. That might be tough. Like finding a stock fox body mustang in good shape.
The 88 LX i had ran 14.0's in the 1/4 with just exaust, short throw shifter and 3.73 gears. That car was fun as hell. Wish I still had it.
by allikatzpop on January 28th, 2009
Question:If its NOT muscle then why are the Mustang,Challenger,and Camaro(soon) all coming back retro w/ V8's and manual transmissions?
Lets see..retro ricer's...B210 Datsun..OK
by OttoZone on September 29th, 2008
I prefer my vehicles to be made with wrenches not chopsticks
by dzmotor on September 25th, 2008
classic muscle
by titan on August 10th, 2008
you dont ned 8 cylinders to move a 2,000lb vehicle. nor do you need rwd. The weight savings and ease of use makes me stick to smaller cars. @4$/gallon, anyone that can get to 0-100mph in 10 seconds is fast. but doing it at a much lower running cost is better. technology is where its at, and you dont need 300ci to impress me. Well, maybe a domestic, but when you can make all the power you need for the street in a tiny 4 banger. then i say time to live and let go of the old crap. Cuase quite frankly, i slightly worked civic today would run circles around a stock performance racing car of the 60's and 70's. that ace does not just include a 1/4 mile. but drivability, visabulity, throttle response, handling, fuel economy, braking.... i mean seriously, do you brag about having an old 8 track too or just old blocks, OLD LARGE blocks of aluminum? obviously combustion motors are unhealthy, so from a nature point of view it sides with 4 bangers... 2 each his own
by shady on July 7th, 2008
classic muscle
by eriktheexplosive on July 7th, 2008
I have to go rice on this one. stock costs less, less than half the mass, and with usually just a few upgrades you can send your skeevy neighbors Camaro to the back lot. Ever drive a Lancer Evo VII? try it and give me a call.
by Freaky Yo on May 23rd, 2008
Classic muscle is my favorite but who can afford the gas now?
by ChandaDiane - est. 1975 on January 5th, 2008
That's easy: Classic Muscle
by edgy57 on January 5th, 2008
68 chevelle SS 427......mommy can i go play.muscle all the way.my friend tom has a 69 roadrunner 440 6 pack.
by allikatzpop on November 5th, 2007
1970'cuda 440 6pk.
1969 hemi roadrunner(beep beep)
1964 327 fuel injected corvette
1969 Z28 camaro(302)
1968 GTO 389 6ppk
1964 Chevrolet Impala 409
1968 442 Oldsmobile
"AND THE BEAT GOES ON..."
by 60s Rock on November 4th, 2007
See Avatar, 1970 LS-6 Chevelle SS. 454/450 Cowl Induction. I wish it was in my garage.
by Meow Meow 1BadMutha TBMF on November 4th, 2007
I prefer classic muscle. I'd love to have a GTO.
by Anonymous on November 4th, 2007
Classic muscle cars for me.
by penha on June 18th, 2008
ROCKETS.
YOU CAN GET A BIG AMOUNT OF POWER INTO A SMALL BLOCK, EXAMPLE: SUPRA, SKYLINE.....
JUST GET A GARRET GT60RS!!!!!
AND A TON OF MODS.... INCLUDING A BIG SHOT OF NITROUS...
AND THERE YOU HAVE A BAD ASS LIGHTWEIGHT CAR WITH 1000 HORSES IN SOME CASES!!!!! ;)
by penha on June 18th, 2008
ROCKETS.
YOU CAN GET A BIG AMOUNT OF POWER INTO A SMALL BLOCK, EXAMPLE: SUPRA, SKYLINE.....
JUST GET A GARRET GT60RS!!!!!
AND A TON OF MODS.... INCLUDING A BIG SHOT OF NITROUS...
AND THERE YOU HAVE A BAD ASS LIGHTWEIGHT CAR WITH 1000 HORSES IN SOME CASES!!!!! ;)
by tommy15 on March 15th, 2010
Imports have much better performance than American muscle cars.
by Squirrel Face on July 7th, 2008
Classic is muscle usually looks cooler, but it seems like you can get more performance out of a rice rocket for less money.
by Don Gorgeous George on March 15th, 2010
as of right now. I haven't seen any real cool exports lately, except for the R8 and M6 but those are out of my price range for now.
by grin on September 20th, 2008
Neither,I like my weinerschnitzel rocket.
by Anonymous on March 15th, 2010
There's nothing like having a real engine under the hood, not those half-assed ones they have now.
by tommy15 on March 15th, 2010
Imports have much better performance than American muscle cars.
by Steve on March 18th, 2009
yank cars dont handle jap cars have no sole euro mettle all the way.
by Black Water on May 28th, 2009
Well i drive during the summers and on nice days my '69 mustang fastback and it can smoke any rice burners or any foriegn junk and most American cars
by qwerty on September 29th, 2008
a 6.4 liter F-250 diesel superduty pick up with about 4k in bolt on mods and a propane shot you can get close to 10's in the 1/4
by Old School on March 14th, 2010
If by "American Muscle", you mean the classic 'muscle cars' of the 1960s and early 1970s, then imports by a huge margin.
Other than accelerating in a straight line on dry pavement under ideal conditions, those cars were rolling mediocrities.
The difference between modern 'muscle' cars (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, etc.) and comparable imports is smaller, but still favor imports I think.
by Tveg on April 12th, 2009
Classic muscle any day! Second choice is current muscle.
by answerdude on March 31st, 2009
"Rice rockets" cuz first off, they are the same horsepower as a gay a** muscle car, but they have computers to regulate their power.. a mitsubishi eclipse has the same horsepower as a mustang or a vette but the computer chip regulates it's speed and gives it a lower reading.. if you take the chip out, you could whup any american car, especially because the weight of a japanese car is WAY less than an american car.. And face it, the japanese are WAY more experienced in car building than we are, their technology is far past ours... the rice rockets are MADE for tuning, and accept any extra horsepower you throw on em'.. you get turbo for the japanese cars and superchargers for old school american cars.. but nos, weight reduction, computer chips, suspension etc. are harder to find, harder to install, and harder to control on old school bull s**t cars...
by tripinslow26 on February 24th, 2009
Honda_S are you a lil kid?
Seriously....the S2000 is a nice sports car, but if you think its the gift from god...lol right.
There are newer Vettes running low 11's in the 1/4 that would blow your s2000 out of the water in a straight line or a road course and guess what...they dont cost that much more than your S2000 did.
Get a clue man.
I dont know what vette you think runs low 11's that cost as much as an s2k. buddy your missinformed. you might be talking about a z06 but they price is nowere near what an s2k cost and with the diffrence in price a couple of grand will have an s2k spacking your so called vette. get real and id give respect to a muscle car when it can do something other than a 1/4 mile.
by 101Juiced on September 4th, 2009
Classic Muscle.. I'll take 440 big block, turbo charged, chevy against any rice muncher any day.. when the green drops the bull "peep" stops.
by Anonymous on January 28th, 2009
now hold on. i agree, some ferraris sound fantastic, especially the older gtb, california specials, super americas, and definitly the enzo but do they sound better than a 800 hp ford small block at redline? or better than a blown 454 idling? the answer is no. its no more a fair comparison than 4x4 trucks to luxary sedans. completely oposite ends of the spectrum. and its not a matter of taste. its a matter of respect for individuality. every car serves its purpose and thats that. remember, many import cars are hauled around by big american v8s, and many tuners have had their butt handed to them on the drag track. dont be so negative
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Hey Honda-S... I drive a 70' GS with a 455... It is a different feel from a small car. You are right, on a curvy stretch of road you'd tear it up. Mine is more of a "burn rubber" type of car. It great off the line and the torque is incredible. It's also a drop top, which, being an s-2000 owner, you should appreciate, Have fun man, be careful........
by designer is wearing a ....... on August 13th, 2008
see - I'd have to agree with "designer" - there are advantages and disadvantages to both. However, the one thing that classic muscle has that the imports will never have is that beautiful, gut-rumbling, head-splitting SOUND! There is absolutely nothing better than hearing the squealing tires, smelling the smoke of the burning rubber, and the feel of the earth shaking from the exhaust....
by Anonymous on September 30th, 2008
you obviously have no taste...im sure your fav. sport is nascar..
if you perfer the sound of a v8 over that of a ferrari or somthing like that then im sorry
by Honda_S on October 21st, 2008
I'll put my 2004 Mustang Cobra up against your piece of crap on any course, road or strip, and blow your doors off. No more needs be said.
by hotcobrapapa on February 11th, 2009
Honda_S are you a lil kid?
Seriously....the S2000 is a nice sports car, but if you think its the gift from god...lol right.
There are newer Vettes running low 11's in the 1/4 that would blow your s2000 out of the water in a straight line or a road course and guess what...they dont cost that much more than your S2000 did.
Get a clue man.
by timmy o tool on February 17th, 2009
Last I checked, there was still a considerable price gap. While I grant that the 'vette *is* a nice car (one of the only American cars I like) I think that you have to put down your PBR, take off your red-white-and-blue blinders, and acknowledge that Japan has beat America at it's own game.
If you think Detroit is the ony place that makes fast, quick, naturally-aspirated RWD cars, you need to crawl out of your cave and join the 21st century.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on February 17th, 2009
Honda-..You HAD to go there huh....FYI, I hate nascar...and the next time you take out your little wind up plastic overpriced toy, and you think there is an earthqauke behind you, and all you see in your rearview are the big red GS letters climbing up your A**, get out of the way or I will run you over like a bug in the road....
by designer is wearing a ....... on February 17th, 2009
Well, dudes Ithink mr. or misses Honda_S is wrong, because I went to a couple of my favorite sites and well I found out that a STOCK 2009 Ford mustang GT(ford is my favorite) has 315 horse power and a 0-60 time of 5.2 second as well as a quarter mile time of 13.5 at 103.45 mph. Compare that to your Stock Honda s2000's specs of 237 horepower quarter mile time of 14.47 seconds at 97.36 and 0-60 in 5.7 seconds.
Ha I guess your foriegn junk can't stnd up to pure AMERICAN muscle now can it , so if i ever see you while I'm dring my '69 mustang fastback you'd better whatch out.
by Black Water on May 28th, 2009
And how is it on a road course? Mustangs always sucked whenever you had to use the steering wheel, and the new ones aren't much better. I notice that most muscle-guys *only* care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times though. The S2000 was never meant to be a straight-line car; they focused more on the suspension, weight balance, and lateral grip so that it can actually turn.
Oh, and I don't mean a sweeping left on a banked track either; I am talking about left AND RIGHT turns with radii of less than a football field on level ground. Forget Mustang and think GT40.
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You might also want to note that there are lighter imports with more power and quicker 0-60 times however. Hell, I know a few electric NON-PERFORMANCE cars that could not only beat, but totally pwn the Mustang in a 0-60 contest.
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There is more to going fast than straight lines. If you can't figure that out, then you don't know what performance really is.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on May 28th, 2009
Hey Guys. I will leave it to you to discuss specs and performance..
I own a 1970 Buick GS stage 1 with a 455. It is so much more then pure handling. There is nothing to compare to the rumble of the engine, the 500+ ft. pounds of torque. The smoking tires. The way the earth shakes under all 500+ horses ..Then there is the chrome and steel. You dont get that from a Lil' wind up, no matter how fast it corners.... Carry On men!!!!!
by designer is wearing a ....... on May 28th, 2009
I know a street-legal '71 Datsun with over 1200 foot-pounds and it can smoke the tires AND your E.T.
Of course, it doesn't have that nice V-* ruble since it's powered by a Lithium-ion battery, but c'est la vie.
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If you want style, classics have their place depending on taste. I actually like the C3 'vettes and the old Mach 1 'stangs for looks, though the Mopars are still sexier.
If you like the rumble of a V-8 (and I actually do) then there is *no* subtitute for American muscle.
If you want acceleration, American muscle may win or lose to a 2WD import but will often lose if the import is AWD.
If you actually drive the thing anywhere other than straight stretches of pavement, American cars *generally* lose to Japanese and European cars. The only exceptions I can think of are the Corvette and the Viper.
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At the end of the day, it's all about what you want a car to do.
I like mine to hit 60 MPH in under 5 seconds even in dirt, I like mine to slalom, and I don't like slowing down for corners. Accordingly, I will leave the American Muscle cars in the garage or on the floor at a car show and drive an import.
But that's me.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on May 28th, 2009
I have to get in on this debate, it's a pretty good one, but my answer is in a different direction: not muscle or rice, but grace. It's all about style ladies and gentlemen. Here's my preference: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/jaguar/jaguar-xk-150-pictures.html ;-)
by Smile loves California on June 2nd, 2009
If I were going for style, I would take an Aston Martin.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 2nd, 2009
An Aston Martin definately fits that category. Nice Choice!
by Smile loves California on June 4th, 2009
I chose my car for the style and performance, It is a blst to hit the pedal but it is also a very good cruise on a sunny day when you just want to drive for the pleasure of it..
Jerv. You are right, it IS all a matter of what you want out of a vehicle..excuse my ignorance, what do you mean by E.T?
@ Smile...I think we ALL know how much Style is in that Smyle....
It is a beautiful car!!
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 5th, 2009
Thanks designer, it is an awesome car, but so are many many others. Happy Friday!! :-)
by Smile loves California on June 5th, 2009
E.T. = Elapsed Time, usually in the context of a standing-start 1/4-mile Drag race.
A lot of American Muscle guys only care about drag racing if they are into anything other than the sound of a V-8 or the looks of the classic muscle cars.
Look at Black Water's comment to see what I mean. Lap times on a road course mean NOTHING since how quickly a car can drive has nothing to do with being fast in their mind. Considering that I have managed to catch up with quite a few of them on the road in a stock 72HP Corolla, that should tell you how stupid it is to ignore handling if you care AT ALL about performance.
Don't tell me you are fast if I can catch you in something that has one-quarter the HP of your Drag Queen!
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Given my tastes for smooth lines, handling, and acceleration, I have to put the Audi R8 on my dream list as well. 518 HP, 1.2 lateral Gs, and not ugly!
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 5th, 2009
The R8 seems to be in a very unique class of automobiles. Beamers always topped my list of "reasonably" (that term used loosly, at least compared to Ferraris and the such )priced exotic autos, but this R8 is on this list with good company. I am surprised that the Aston Martin DB9 and the R8 are priced very similarly. Very nice cars. http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Exotic-Sports-Cars/
by Smile loves California on June 5th, 2009
Hey jerv. While I appreciate your knowledge and passion, you are absolutely fooling yourself if you honestly think you can catch me in your lil' Corolla.
I do not Drag race my car and it will NEVER see a "track". It is not a Hot Rod, it is a classic piece of workmanship. I need no computer to tune it, there are no Plastic parts.
You must not forget about skill when it comes to driving. My car is big and heavy, but it handles quite nicely Thank You..if you know how to handle it!!!
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 5th, 2009
I completely agree with Smile when it comes to issues of style. For me, it is the way the sunlight glistens off the chrome, the smell of the oil running through it veins, the way it throws you back in the seats. The way it feels when even at a stand still it rumbles when asked. If you pulled up next to me at a stop sign, I could probably shake your lil' guy right off the road like those old vibrating football games...
This IS a matter of taste and style.
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 5th, 2009
For some reason, I still can't hel but love the R34 Skylines though. Same intimidating blockiness of a BMW, an engine that can handle >600 HP with a stock block and bottom end, and ATTESA E-TS PRO, which allows you to use *every* bit of power coming out of the engine to maximum potential even with the steering wheel cranked full-lock.
Reasonably priced (in the low 50s), decent MPG for a daily-driver (mid-20s) and pure hell on the track. What's not to love?
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 5th, 2009
Designer - A lot of the reason I was able to do what I did was skill. Part of that is not being a punk-ass kid who just got my license last month. I had more skill.
Part of that was choosing my battles carefully; I was toast as soon as the road straightened out, and I *never* expected otherwise given my vehicle.
And part of that was a lack of ego. I mean, come on! It's a stock econobox! If *I* was a threat to you in that POS then you *really* need to learn how to drive!
I am willing to wager that YOU could have easily smoked my through Otter Brook, even in the wintertime.
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But you bring up an interesting point. Even the best car isn't jack unless the nut behind the wheel is "properly adjusted".
I have different tastes and prefer to be thrown into the SIDES of me seats. Lateral grip. Handling. The roads I am used to would give most Drag Queens second thoughts about even following me.
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BTW - Did you ever *need* to do a handbrake turn to get into your driveway? I had 4WD F-150s stuck in that thing yet I always managed to carry enough velocity through the turn to maintain enough momentum to make the hill regardless of how much ice and/or snow was there. Try THAT in your Buick!
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In the end, it *does* boil down to taste and what you wnat (or need) out of a car, and I can tell you that American iron has failed me on *SO* many occasions that I have no choice but to dislike it.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 5th, 2009
BTW - How does that chrome look after a couple of winters in a place that uses a lot of road salt? Or do you only drive five months out of the year?
Not complaining or anything; just saying why *I* don't go for that sort of thing.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 5th, 2009
hey Jerv...You are so right about the "nut" behind the wheel, a good driver will beat pure power most of the time..
I live in an area that has a lot of twists and turns in the roads. Knowing how to go into and come out of those turns does make all the difference. I also have a gravel driveway that has a steep incline. I have never taken the buick full bore up it because of fear of damage done by the gravel to the car.I consider the car not only a "vehicle" but also a work of art that I must be carefull in.
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 6th, 2009
I spent a lot of time and a lot of busted knuckles restoring it. I do not care to abuse it. That doesn't mean that I wont
let the girl get a little nasty(mmmmmm) at times on the roads that I drive. There are a few Posi "skid" marks on those roads!!.
As for the question of the chrome being affected by salted roads...It will never happen. She is blanketed and stored inside when not being driven. The one thing about her is she is not replaceable. I keep her a condition where you can eat off of any part of her.
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 6th, 2009
You cant just go get another if she is destroyed, so I take the appropriate measures to ensure that she will live a long and happy life.
How, if you dont mind, have these type of cars failed you?
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 6th, 2009
The American cars I have owned or driven for any length of time:
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'98 Saturn SW1 - Shot a diff pin thorough the bell housing. I never even drove it hard since it was a 100 HP econo-box station wagon, and *technically* my wife's car to boot. Also, it lacked the ground clearance to handle our road. bad design.
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'94 Corsica - Impossible to work on and blew the engine irreparably with no warning. Again, I never expected much so I didn't even push it.
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'92 Taurus - Impossible to work on and impossible to handle in the snow. Only car I ever hit and impossible to handle in the snow (basically five months out of the year). It wasn't my car so I didn't dare try anything trickier than commuting in it, yet it failed at even that.
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'89 Aerostar - You don't expect much from a minivan anyways so I never asked this one to perform. It handled what I needed it to fairly well for a $250 beater, but again IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK ON. Even moreso that the others I have mentioned thus far.
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'97 Mazda 626 - Great car overall... except for the FORD CD4E tranny. The one all-American part on it was it's weakest link, the only problem I ever had with it, and a common problem to ALL 626s of the era.
The non-us-built 5-speeds were flawless. The early models with Mazda trannies were flawless. The one time they put a Ford part in and everything went to hell.
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'91 Regal - Not a performance car, but I expect the thing to at least be drivable and servicable. No luck. I am NOT going to rent an engine hoist just to change the fucking spark plugs! Nor an I going to tolerate something that can't take an off-ramp at 10MPH *under* the posted limit. The suspension was redone and it still couldn't handle the stuff that my imports handled with blown shocks!
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I have owned many imports in worse condition that could handle stuff with blown shocks, leaky head gaskets, and all sorts of other ailments that American cars IN GOOD REPAIR couldn't even handle.
I have blown up a couple of American cars for minor things that any import I ever owned would've just made a few funny noises that caused me to troubleshoot and repair them.
My personal experience with American cars is that they are unreliable, brittle, have zero handling capability, and are difficult/impossible to work on without an engine hoist for even basic maintenance.
I have replaced shocks and head gaskets in imports before with less issues than a simple oil change on some American cars. I have done stuff on a daily basis that would leave your Buick wrapped around a tree... and every American car I've had almost wound up that way.
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I have had too many bad experiences with American vehicles to trust them. They may look good. They *definitely* sound good. But they are not even cars in my opinion.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 6th, 2009
I wasn't even driving any of those cars hard yet they broke without warning and with high enough repair costs that any insurance company would total them out JUST FROM DAILY DRIVING!
My imports were pushed harder and only broke under severe strain, and even then managed to hang on well enough to be repaired. Every car I owned was either sold for scrap metal as it was a total loss when I was done with it OR an import. No American car I have owned was ever drivable when I signed over the title. Every import I have gotten rid of was.
Based on that, I can safely assume that they are tougher and better built than anything American automakers have to offer.
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To be a car, you must be serviceable and drivable.
American "cars", in my experience, are not. At least not between 1988 and present.
As for the older ones, I don't see them ranking high in the WRC standings and that is what I need for a daily driver. I don't see them ranking on any road-racing circuits, and that is what I need to consider them fast.
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American muscle may make for a nice summer cruiser or museum piece. My neighbor had a *sweet* El Camino with a 396. My ex-co-worker has a nice Charger (forget the year). I am not denying that American muscle has it's charm, but they are barely worth calling "cars" in my book.
Cars are meant to be driven. That means turning right. That means driving without breaking. That means being able to work on them yourself.
That is MY opinion though. You are welcome to your own, but you are not going to change mine.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 6th, 2009
Gentelmen, it's nice to hear such passion!! The truth is that both imports and American cars are great for different reasons and like it was said earlier, it all depends on what you want out of a car. Nice debate!!! :-)
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designer, hahaha, nice reference!!
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jerv, sorry to ask this, but how are you managing to post such large comments when I have to leave 200 characters or so just to get the comment to post?
by Smile loves California on June 6th, 2009
hey Jerv... I'll go even beyond..I think American cars produced past 74' are POS's...all the cars you mentioned do not even come close to being what we made prior to those years...
I agree that what makes a great car is drive-ability and durability. Pre 74 cars are extremely easy to work on and reliable.. I did most the work on mine myself and I am no mechanic. It is easy to work on, when needed, and easy to keep tuned with few tools.
I am not here to change your mind, just to exchange ideas and thoughts..
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 6th, 2009
So we like different things...great... that is what life and people are...I too like your passion for your preferrences.. I will say though that pre 74 cars are definitly worth calling cars, and great cars at that!!!
Hey Smile, and what referrence are you referring to...hehehe!!!
I think Jerv may be writing his answers in Word or similar and then pasting...I dont know though, I have done that before and it worked...he is the computer expert..
You both have a great day...
See ya on the road!!!
by designer is wearing a ....... on June 6th, 2009
Yes - if you post a comment then edit it, the 100-character limit goes away.
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In New England, there are no cars that old that survived well that were not garaged much of the year; too much salt. You are correct that the older ones are easier to work on, but they are undrivable during the winter unless you want most of that work to be staying one step ahead of the rust.
However, the same holds true of imports as well; the head gasket in my Corolla (the oldest of the bunch) was a breeze, and a 2nd-gen Golf is *much* easier to deal with than a 3rd-gen. Part of what I liked about them was that they were as easy to work on as my step-dad's old Fords.
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I agree wholeheartedly that newer American cars are worse though. At least you don't need to pull the engine to change the plugs.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on June 6th, 2009
Thanks jerv, I'll try it.
You know which comment, Mr Deisnger Sir!! It's funny how men talk about their cars like a woman may talk about a "hot" pair of shoes. It's amazing the choices of inanimate objects that the different genders find "sexy"! Although, there are some cars that I would put in that same category . . . the 1958 Jag being one of them.
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I do agree that the older American cars are much more appealing than the newer cars. They do have to be pampered and taken care of, but so does everything that's worth having.
by Smile loves California on June 6th, 2009