Why would an Atheist spend so much time and energy talking about "God", when they don't believe that "God" exists in the first place?

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• Logical observation. I also want to thank you for not speaking so "matter-of-factly". It is always easier to debate a topic when one relates one's opinion, as opposed to one "laying down the law".

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

• Speaking only for myself...Not logical to give religion much thought really. Atheists are just tired of being ridiculed. It's time to speak out. Don't throw religion in my face and I don't even give it a thought.

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  by Anonymous on January 28th, 2007

• Anonymous, I respect your beliefs and agree with you that you should not be constantly bombarded with religion if you choose to turn away form it. However, do you not see that you are just as guilty? You have attacked and bombarded other religions with your views in the same way (Catholics, Protestants, Baptists etc). You do not have to read this questions, yet you did, which means that you were seeking them out for the sole purpose of degradation. Much as you don't appreciate religion being thrown in your face, religious people do not appreciate being attacked by atheists. Again, I respect your opinion but please don't try to force it on others.

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  by mysticdeliria on February 5th, 2007

• I think this answer sums up the issue nicely. I don't spend a lot of energy thinking about gods and religions unless someone insists on trying to convert me. I don't seek to attack any belief system but I refuse to support them as well.

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  by LynfromNM on February 14th, 2007

• Well said, Lyn. Thank you.

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  by Wolfen on February 14th, 2007

• DITTO

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  by angel on February 20th, 2008

• Well all I know is that the Bible is God's infalliable Word. Was, Is and Is To Come! From Genisis to Revelations it tells of God's Creations. All you have to do is look around at nature and see what Majestic Creations were made. From a monkey?? Give me a break!! Anyone who believes that garbage isn't as smart as the monkey himself! I praise God that He gave me a mind & a heart that knows the truth....God is the Creator of Heaven, Earth, Man, Animal and all that is good! Thank You Lord for Your Awesome Creations (even the silly people who believe in man's lies)

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  by heavenbound1962 on March 13th, 2008

• Just out of curiosity HB, what does your comment have to do with the question asked or the answer given?

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  by Wolfen on March 13th, 2008

• Monkeys are FASCINATING and COMPLEX (ummm, pretty much in the same we we folk are) and I, for one, am PROUD to have evolved from primates. Unfortunately, evolution skips some people( read:people that wear their religion in their avatars and handles), and they're left to believe in fairytales. Sucks to be them.

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  by king of ellipses on March 13th, 2008

• Heavenbound 1962: "The Bible is God's Infallible Word"....Do you have any evidence of that? I bet you don't, because there is no evidence....it is a collection of stories that has been imposed to us throughout centuries.....you either believed of got tortured and killed. Science tells us that we share 98% of our basic DNA with chimpanzees. That's a fact.

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  by Starmaster on May 4th, 2008

• And in your mind, how does being related to apes by 98% mean that there is no god? It is possible to believe in god and still think that we evolved to get to where we are now. Not all god believers believe the same. Science is the study of God.

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  by Shes Country on May 26th, 2008

• i like your answer because all these people who tell me god is real annoy the heck out of me.

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  by phatcrayonz on July 3rd, 2008

• Wow. Well put rameystarman! I truly think you read my mind. Science Rules! I also believe you have a valid point LM05.

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  by claymore04 on July 17th, 2008

• i agree, i do not believe in god nor will i ever, but i am anoyed at how our countries spend moeny and waste their time with such things, when there are more important issues and things to deal with.

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  by anonymous on August 24th, 2008

• WoW like you last 3 comments are terriable..I feel bad for you all. Where'd you all come from? Under a Rock?

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  by Anonymous on November 11th, 2008

• I Believe in God because He talks to me.

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  by Anonymous on November 11th, 2008

• God talks to you?? Cool! What do you and God talk about? My invisible brother Timmy talks to me. We play Parcheesi.

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 15th, 2008

• haha, he says 'give ten percent of your income to my pedophilic bretheren'

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  by king of ellipses on November 15th, 2008

• Thats ok Anonymous I will listen to your answer. God speaks to me also . And the ones that dont know him maybe dont hear because they are not listening.

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  by Designer4theking...loves her kitties on December 10th, 2008

• I speak to God too. He is loving and Kind. You use sarcasm to fill an insecurity, Mr. Natural and King of ellipses. Making fun of someone's answer only shows your own problems.

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  by Izzie on January 5th, 2009

• @Izzie
  >>I speak to God too. He is loving and Kind<<
  
  Seriously, Izzie, what do you and God talk about, and what language do you use? How do you know it's God when you hear these voices in your head? Does he use some kind of password to identify himself? How do you know it's not the devil (De Debbil) who is seducing you, pretending to be God?
  
  Or (more likely) it could be my invisible brother, Timmy. He sneaks around and speaks to people, pretending to be someone they want to hear from. He's a practical joker.

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on January 6th, 2009

• you're real funny, you know? maybe you should become a comedian.. maybe then SOMEONE would laugh at you..maybe.

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  by Izzie on January 7th, 2009

• Thanks, I do enjoy comedy, but you still haven't answered a single question. I'm trying to learn what you & God talk about? What language does God speak? Does he have a deep voice like in the movies? Or does he sound like Jerry Lewis in the old Martin & Lewis movies?
  
  You see, I'm calling your bluff. You say you "speak to God," but I don't think you do. I think people who claim to speak to God have a skull full of broken pottery that rattles when they shake their head. But please feel welcome to contradict me. What do you and God discuss?

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on January 8th, 2009

• I talk to God through prayer and He speaks by calming my heart and making miracles happen in my life when I need Him.
  You make fun, but only because you don't know.
  I'll pray for you.
  I hope someday you know what I'm talking about.
  I'm not here to fight or make you angry.
  If you knew me you'd know my brain is far from full of "broken pottery"... if you only knew.
  Maybe speak is the wrong word... He doesn't use a spoken language to convey His love to me or let me know where I should be.. it's a feeling.

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  by Izzie on January 8th, 2009

• OK, thanks. No further questions. :)

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on January 8th, 2009

• I wish God would speak to me:(

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  by Grasshopper on February 15th, 2009

• :( Ask him to and you'll get a sign, but you have to believe or it doesn't work. That's the name of the game.

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  by Izzie on February 24th, 2009

• i agree thats why i speak about god

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  by BeautyIzSkinDeep on February 25th, 2009

• >>you have to believe or it doesn't work.
  Exactly. If we learned anything from Disney's Peter Pan, it was that you have to believe in fairies if you ever hope to see one. Here's Tinkerbell:
  http://share.thumbplay.com/files/media/0001/2510/tinker_bell_large.jpg

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on February 25th, 2009

• Well, that's just how it goes.

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  by Izzie on March 15th, 2009

• What is wrong with spending money on god and religion? Do you realize how much of the money donated to churches goes to taking care of the poor and homeless? Most of it goes for those kind of things. Churches and their congregations do more to help other people in their own towns and even around the world then most of you silly liberal loons ever would do.

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  by Shes Country on March 15th, 2009

• I am not a liberal. Just an atheist.

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  by LynfromNM on March 15th, 2009

• You're right scrubJay. I wouldn't pinpoint the liberals.. but the athiests, yes. Churches do a TON to help our world... yes some are not perfect, but atleast they're trying. More than most can say.

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  by Izzie on March 16th, 2009

• All of the atheists I know are involved in community service. I work for a non-profit agency that advocates for people who have disabilities, and 8 of the 25 employees are atheists. In addition, I teach literacy. It is completely unnecessary to donate to a church in order to contribute to one's community. I did not vote for Barack Obama, either. I'm saying all this to point out that generalizations are a form of discrimination. By generalizing about atheists - that all atheists are liberals and that atheists don't care about the community - you've been unfair to me.

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  by LynfromNM on March 16th, 2009

• Insightful comment, LynfromNM. I hope it shames the judgmental believers who think they're better than the rest of us.
  
  As for me I I'm atheist, liberal, AND a proud member of the ACLU.
  http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/aclu-ch.jpg

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on March 17th, 2009

• Although I'm not a member of the ACLU I frequently find reason to support it and collaborate as well, Mr. Natural. I'm also not a conservative, I'm more of a libertarian than anything else - however, I find that political parties undermine rather than promote freedoms. I want freedom for all, even those who disagree with me. Isn't that the point?

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  by LynfromNM on March 17th, 2009

• @LynfromNM
  I agree. I'll try to avoid veering off-topic into politics, but supporting the ACLU and what they do is very important to me.

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on March 17th, 2009

• @Scrubjay
  >>What is wrong with spending money on god and religion?<<
  Boy, am I red-faced! It never occurred to me that God might need money. He really does work in "mysterious ways." Can someone help me with this?
  
  ● How much $$ does God need to tide him over until payday?
  ● Does he prefer US dollars, Euros, or Japanese Yen?
  ● If God prefers gold, couldn't he just create a few billion tons? Or did he lose his magical powers after the 7th Day (cf Genesis)?
  ● Does God take VISA or MasterCard?
  ● If I don't have a major credit card, where would I mail a check? How long does God take to cash it? ● If I send God a check will I get his endorsement (signature) on the back when he cashes it? If so, I'll be the only kid on my block to have God's authentic signature! It should be worth $billions.
  ● If I lend money to God, what is his current interest rate?
  ● Does God trade in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, real estate, or derivatives?
  ● If I want to trade with God, who is his broker? Jesus?

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on March 17th, 2009

• I think you might be a little bit sloooow. Churches use money to pay their bills, everybody has bills. The majority of money that Churches take in go to help the homeless, the hungry and other people who have stumbled upon misfortune. I would think that somebody who supports the ACLU, would be down with that. I personally, think that the ACLU is a counterproductive organization that undermines our country but I guess that is a totally different subject then we have going here.

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  by Shes Country on March 17th, 2009

• It's good that you're not ashamed to admit that your preachers and right-wing talk show hosts have persuaded you that the ACLU "undermines our country." Luckily, you can learn for yourself what the ACLU really does, and how well they do it, at their site:
  http://aclu.org/
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  >>Churches use money to pay their bills,<<
  I.e., if churches didn't exist they would have no bills. There are plenty of legitimate charities that do the job more efficiently, diverting less $$ to wealthy televangelists who own more houses than John McCain himself. Let me know if you need help finding them.

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on March 18th, 2009

• Sweetie, I don't have a preacher and I don't go to church. I believe in god but I don't believe in religion. That doesn't mean that I don't think that churches do good deeds for people. Far better deeds then ACLU. I've looked at the ACLU website. I think that you do a lot of enabling of people who don't deserve enabling, such as convicts. You cater to illegals who rape our country and the list could go on. You encourage people to be dependent victims rather then to be strong and take care of themselves. You keep racism going. Heh but hey, that's the liberal way isn't it? And perhaps you didn't notice but televangelists are few and far between. I'm sure ACLU big wigs pocket more then their fair share of the $$$'s too.

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  by Shes Country on March 18th, 2009

• I asked this question about a specific person, in hopes of understanding their actions. After comment threads like this one, I wish that I had never asked. Why does it have to turn into a bunch of ridiculing and debasing of each other and each other's beliefs? I always thought that the beauty of beliefs is the fact that they are entirely yours. No one has to agree with your beliefs in order for you to have them. I'm not quite sure which action sickens me most; one trying to shove their personal beliefs down another's throat, or one ridiculing another because of the other person's beliefs. Can't there be intelligent conversations or debates, without being crass, sarcastic, or downright rude? It seems that we just can't be happy, unless we are surrounded by some type of confrontation.

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  by Wolfen on March 19th, 2009

• You're totally right Wolfen. Thank you. :)

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  by Izzie on March 21st, 2009

• Yeah RSM people should spend more of their time and money on things like getting to mars, or lets take over this country, or lets anihilate these people, or lets spend time and money on seeing if there is life out there, etc... because the sick, starving, dying, destitute, etc.. are not worth helping. No Christians don't do anything there. No, lets just spend more time and money on ourselves, like more toys, clothes, booze/drugs, more selfishness, etc... because the people in your streets are fine they don't need help or anything like that, they don't need you. And no Christians don't help here either. What would you suggest RSM?

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  by Geezer on June 12th, 2009

• I also though that genetically man was closer to a pig. Is this not so?

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  by Geezer on June 12th, 2009

• lol funny

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  by Izzie on June 13th, 2009

• they may also find annoying all the evil that has been done in the name of religion.

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  by annie03 on July 21st, 2009

• Annie, I agree, much evil has been done in the "name" of religion by pseudo-Christians but not by real Christians. With that being said, have you ever investigated the history of the atrocities performed in the name of atheism? I should clarify, not atheism per se, rather "militant" atheism. Here are just a few figures that you can check out for yourself if you are inclined to do so.
  "The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression, published by Harvard University Press, is the work of eleven scholars that ignited a continental firestorm when it first hit bookstores in France in 1997. The authors estimate the century's death toll at the hands of Communist governments (excluding wars) at 100 million people.
  Country by country, deaths by the state in China stand at 65 million, in the USSR 20 million, Vietnam 1 million, North Korea 2 million, Cambodia 2 million, Eastern Europe 1 million, Latin America 150,000, Africa 1.7 million, and Afghanistan 1.5 million.

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  by ""Account Closed"" on September 29th, 2009

• Additionally, the international Communist movement murdered about 10,000 people throughout the world." (Author's emphasis).
  Yes, many have died at the hands of those claiming to do it in the name of religion as I mentioned above, but that pales in comparison with the figures I just quoted. Those figures were written down a few years ago so I would imagine that they are much higher now. If people are going to make statements about the evil in this world, all aspects need to be included such as I stated. One cannot blame religion (pseudo-religion) alone for evil.
  Personally, as a Christian, I have no problem with atheists in AB or out in the real world. Militant atheism is a whole different story again. Militant atheism is an extreme form of atheism. Its two main characteristics hostility to religion and its aim to destroy any vestiges of God and religion.

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  by ""Account Closed"" on September 29th, 2009

• Also I will say this now just to make it clear where I stand on militant atheism. I am concerned about their determination and growth and I do and will continue to take a stand against them by spotlighting their extremism, their lies and their agenda. I do this out of concern for the many people that are and will be exposed to militant atheistic vitriol and hatred.
  Since the advent of the Internet, militant atheists have found a powerful new conduit to propagate their views. Well-designed and well-funded web sites offer large quantities of material against religion, and Christianity in particular. Without doubt, these sites have already succeeded in converting many young and impressionable believing minds into doubt and some into fanatical atheism. I honestly don't mind getting down rated for my views and stand but if someone is going to down rate me, I would hope that they have done so because they actually have hard facts that can refute what I have stated, and not simply because they happen to disagree.

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  by ""Account Closed"" on September 29th, 2009

• >>Well-designed and well-funded web sites offer large quantities of material against religion, and Christianity in particular.<<
  Wow! Can you hook me up with a well-funded atheist site, so I can share in that bounty? :)
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  What is "fanatical atheism"? I.e., how can one fanatically fail to believe in something? For example, do you fanatically disbelieve in fairies or unicorns?
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  If you are convinced that invisible spirit(s) created the universe and yourself, and continue to protect you from evil, then why do you hide incognito behind your "Anonymous" pseudonym? "Oh, ye of little faith!" :)
  
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on September 29th, 2009

• Nice attempt at trying to belittle me but you missed the mark. You did succeed in humiliating yourself however. My offer stands. Can you come up with any hard facts to refute what I stated in my comment to annie03? Your comment showed me no hard facts, only the typical response from someone who doesn't want to be bothered by facts and that he want's to look cool and give a boost to your ego because you "really made that Christian look bad." Is that your mission in life? If it is, at least you have something to work at. I hope you make a life-long career of it. A bit of advice though, don't rely on the same material that you attempted to used on me. That's like going on a rhino hunt with a squirt gun.
  Thank you for your comment and have a great day.

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  by ""Account Closed"" on September 29th, 2009

• I asked you several questions. You don't need "hard facts" to ask a question. I made no assertion nor attempt to refute you. Take another look. Do you read a comment before you start typing a reply?
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on September 29th, 2009

• yo ano! I read your comments. The USSR, asian countries, z-america and afghanistan killed a lot of people..
  Afghanistan is a muslim country. Asian countries are either buddhist, muslim or christian.
  And even though people kill eachother, how does that `prove`(you had `facts`) that there is a god.
  Still being afraid of the commies (and calling them atheist) is something... well, it´s a little off, to say the least..
  And if your god excists, he´s almighty anyway, so why bother? your daddy, the god, will solve everything for you..

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  by Temporary Name on October 31st, 2009

• Apostle, if you think that being afraid of commies is off, I say you are wrong. Communisim is a threat to our country, the good old USA, right now. One of the ways that those pushing for communisim in countries start creating change, is to take religion away from the people. In some cases they take it away completly and in others they take it away and replace it with their own form of religion, that teaches people what they want them to know.

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  by Shes Country on November 1st, 2009

• I think that is what we have going on in the USA, right now and it has been taking place in force for the last 30 some years. Convincing people that there is no God, is just one of the ways that we are slowly being led, like sheep to slaughter, toward communism and a one world order. I think that you should find some pre 70's history books that havn't been tainted with a Progressive Liberal spin, and start studing in depth about communism and the countries that have been taken over by it. While you are at it, study about America too.

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  by Shes Country on November 1st, 2009

• according to you I am a commie so I am not going to bother about this one bit. You are laughable to say the least..

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  by Temporary Name on November 1st, 2009

• @ScrubJay
  1. What indications do you see that we are being "led toward communism"?
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  2. How do you determine if a country is "communist" or something else? If a government is not identical to the U.S. gov't, does that mean it's "communist"?
  
  Please don't tell me to read a book. I want to know what YOU believe.
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  3. Do your criteria for judging a country as "communist" apply to all countries, or only to the U.S.? I.e., do you believe that most European countries are now communist? If so, are their people being persecuted?
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  4. What do you believe is the ideal government for the U.S.? What would be the indications of a perfect government? (If you don't know, then what are you complaining about?)
  
    

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 1st, 2009

• Dear MrNatural. The reason I say, that if you really care to know what communism is and to learn more about it, so that you can make your own informed comparrison of the things that are going on now in our country and in western Europe as well, that you should read about it yourself. It is a very in depth subject and not one that is easily explained in a format such as this, where there isn't much room allowed for discussion. But I'll give it a try.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Of course, since you seem to be a big fan of the ACLU, you might already be a communist and know exactly what is going on and you support it. If you are just one more of the misguided young people that so many of our schools are turning out these days, then I say you had better get to studying on the subject because you may not like the America that you are inviting, through your ignorance. Communism or Socialism as many Communist like to call it, is not liberating and does not promote freedom of the disenfranchised. Communism is all about elitism and destroys all that is good.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Communism is a revolutionary movement that seeks to overthrow all other political systems. It's goal is to replace these systems with communist dictatorships. They want to make all people equal by wiping out differences of class and rank. Communists have been working since the early 1900s to achive the goal of communising every nation of the world. They go about taking over countries by either conquering them with military force, or by revolution from inside.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• No nation has ever voted in a free election to adopt communist rule.The founder of modern communism, Karl Marx, who helped to write the Communist Manifesto in 1848, urged workers everywhere to revolt against their "capitalist oppressors." Communisim controls the people in three ways, economics, politics and social relations. To achieve these goals they create chaos in a country.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Communism also has no respect for family life or religion. They believe that a person cannot be loyal to his family or to a religion and also be a good communist. Communism encourages any crime and any violation of human rights if the communist cause is aided. In this way, communism ignores what we consider normal standards of morality and ethics. Hmmm, we have a lot of that with the Weather Underground, Earth First, Green Peace etc.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• So what do we have going on now? We have people using environmental excuses to control our natural resources. The United States is extremely wealthy in resources of all kinds. Who ever controls these resources will be very rich. This is why our corrupt government, refuses to let us use what is ours.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Our Government is using environmental excuses to cripple and put our countries farmers out of business, so that they can control the productive farm lands. Maybe you have seen the farmers in California standing in their parched orchards, because the Government has decided to turn off their water. One thing to understand Communists don't care about the environment really. They believe it is here to be used but for their purposes, not those of the people

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Communism cares about what the Government needs, not the needs of the people. Controling our productive property is what it is all about. That would include factories, banks, transportation, the medical industry. Anything that is produtive to our economy. Obama is quickly gobbling up as much government power as possible, since his election, taking over companies in the private sector. He has his thumb in the financial industry, the automotive industry, and he is working hard to gain control of the medical industry. It's all about politics and not about the people. When will it stop?

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• In Politics we have the Democratic Party which I belive should just come clean and start calling itself the Communist Party. I have heard Dems say on more then one occasion that we should have one Party in the USA and that would be them, the Democratic Party. I think that in many ways we do have only one Party, since the Republicans so often seem to be following the same ideology. Are they communist too? Could be. It's hard to tell who is and who isn't any more.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Our politicians in America are the main force behind the split in our country and the Democrats are leading the way. They are doing everything they can to promote the communistic idea of class struggle. They are accomplishing this through propaganda, controlling what schools teach, community organizing and controling media and Hollywood. They are trying to convince everybody that capitalism is bad.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• They are trying to take religion out of America in every why possible. They are tearing apart families by promoting ideology that is not family friendly, such as promoting abortion, making it possible for children to get abortions with out parental consent, promoting single mother hood and making it sound like the greatest thing, to be a single mother, promoting gay marriage. They create social unrest through the constant use of raicism. They are creating the chaos that will promote revolution.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• In communism Revolutionary means favorable to communism and violently opposed to capitalism. How may times has Obama said that he is bringing a revolution? He said that lots of times during his campaign. He has also said that if you want to see who he is, look at who he surrounds himself with. So I think he has spoken loud and clear.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Obama has himself surrounded by self admitted communists such as Hilary Clinton, Anita Dunn who loves Mao Tse-Tung, Anita's husband Bob Bauer, Van Jones a communist with a criminal record, Jeff Jones and Bill Ayres both from the Weather Underground, Carol Browner and the list goes on and on. Obama is a communist. It is no suprise that he seems to have so much love for murdering Dictators such as Fidel Castro.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Interstingly enough, in communist speak, the words, Democratic and Progressive also mean communist or procommunist.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• Any country that rules it's people through fear and force and puts the government before the people is a communist country. Any country that controls all human thought and actions is a communist country. So called socialism is the first step on the road to full blown communism. Western Euorpe well on it's way. If they can get America in the bag finally, I think that the rest will go easily .

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• The United State of America already has the perfect Government. What could be more perfect then the freedom to live your life the way you choose. Of course with freedom comes responsibility. That responsibility means that you don't live your life in such a way as to impose on somebody elses freedoms. You also have the responsibility to take care of yourself and not be a burden on your community or country.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• In the USA you have the freedom to be as successful as you have the ambition to be. On the other hand, if you choose to be lazy and unsuccessful, you have the freedom to do that too. It's your choice.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• People from around the world risk life and limb to come to America every day, so that they can have the freedom to live their lives as they wish, with out the control of an opressing government. If America goes the way of China, Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea, where will anybody who values freedom, be able go?

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• If America seems to be floundering at the moment, you can blame our corrupt government who has decided that the Constitiution of America no longer matters. It is no longer about "WE THE PEOPLE" who own this country, it is about what the Government wants and thinks is best. They think they own our country now. I have news, "WE THE PEOPLE" are going to take it back.

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  by Shes Country on November 7th, 2009

• We seem to have a Glenn Beckerhead in our midst. :)
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 9th, 2009

• Holy crap! When you can't logically argue a point, kill them with volume.-
  Do I hear incitement to violence against the United States of America?

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  by MrJosh on November 21st, 2009

• Holy crap is right! You Progressives are great at reading what ever you want to think into just about anything. Like check out those exceedingly dangerous,radicale Tea Baggers. WHHHHOOOoooooScarrrrry! Do you even know the meaning of logic? Progressives have so little of it.

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  by Shes Country on November 21st, 2009

• Both sides use little logic when they argue. The answer is usually somewhere in the middle, but both insist on having it 100% their way.

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  by MrJosh on November 21st, 2009

• >>I have news, "WE THE PEOPLE" are going to take it back.<<
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  You're a year behind the times. WE THE PEOPLE took back our government last November, 2008, in the election. YOU THE LOSERS have nothing to offer but the usual whining, pissing, and moaning.
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 23rd, 2009

• Noooo, it was "YOU THE BRAINWASED" who sold your country out, to somebody that you thought was the second coming of the Messiah. Somebody, who nobody ever veted, somebody who even to this day, we don't really have any idea who he really is. Although it is becoming quite apparent, even through his fake persona. Obama is a weak, insincere, Marxist puppet.

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  by Shes Country on November 23rd, 2009

• Obama has taken what was a small kitchen fire and has fanned the flames until the entire house is now involved. Thanks to Obama, we now have a deficit of 12 million and growing. Thanks to him our grand children and theirs are going to be living a much compromised life style as they work twice as hard as we, for less pay, in trying to pay it all off. Obama is literally destroying the United States of America. He and the commies around him have to go, and the sooner the better. He is a 1 term President.

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  by Shes Country on November 23rd, 2009

• All the negatives you list were caused by and left over from George "WMD" Bush. If FOX News is your only source, you'll never learn what's going on.
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 23rd, 2009

• NOPE! It's all Obama's now. He has more then doubled what Bush did. Of course that doesn't change my opinion that Bush may be a commie too, since he had us on the same road to ruin as Obama does.

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  by Shes Country on November 23rd, 2009

• "Commie"? "Marxist"? Do you have any idea what the words mean? Who's been filling your head with such nonsense?
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 23rd, 2009

• I think I fully explained what the words mean above some place. It was quite long. Find it and read it. The ACLU is run by communists. So maybe you are one too? Or are you just another misguided, brainwashed, young person, who has been educated on progressive propaganda?

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  by Shes Country on November 23rd, 2009

• For the third time, who is filling your head with this "communist" and "Marxist" nonsense? You sound like a John Bircher with your reactionary, ultra-right, Party-of-No pap.
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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 23rd, 2009

• And as I said "WE THE PEOPLE" who have been lied too are sick and tired. We include good people from all parties. The White House will belong to the upstanding people of this country again. It will belong to those who love the constitution and freedom, as it was meant to be. America will be strong again.

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  by Shes Country on November 25th, 2009

• Progressive Liberals are weaking and killing America with their secular, socialist ie., commie crap and they will be stopped. Mark my words. You watch and see. Obama' popularity is waning as we speak now. Progressive liberal ideas are loosing momentum as well. And we can thank you corrupt commie organization ACLU for a good many of the problems in America. ACLU has to go. Maybe some body like the two heros who exposed ACORN, can take a shot at exposing ACLU for the farse that it is. That would be great! The good people of this country are tired of being walked on and have opened their eyes. Common sense is making a come back.

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  by Shes Country on November 25th, 2009

• As for who is filling my head. Call it old fashioned education. See back in the day, we didn't have Progressives invading our schools with their propaganda and telling us how great communism would be if only it was practiced in a better fasion. We actually learned what communism was and what an abomination it is.

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  by Shes Country on November 25th, 2009

• We learned real history and not history that has been spun into progressive propaganda. Because of that, many of us can see that history is about to repeat itself. We are on a very similar path as what Cuba was on when it turned communist.

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  by Shes Country on November 25th, 2009

• Progressives prefer to teach that Amreica is the terrible warmongering country full of greedy people and that America was not founded by people who wanted religious freedom. The truth is, that America was founded by deeply religious people as a place for all to come and worship in peace. The truth is that America has always fought for freedom against the tyranny of communism where ever it has reared it's ugly head. Now we need to look out for our own backs before we slide into a socialist, ie, communist abyss.

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  by Shes Country on November 25th, 2009

• All that puffy verbiage and not one hard fact. Facts are "progressive," right? As Stephen Colbert said to your little President, George "WMD" Bush, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias!" :)
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  So who taught you "history"? Glenn Beck? :) Sean Hannity? :) Dick Cheney? :) Fox News? :) Whom do you think you're kidding with your right-wing rhetoric? You've simply memorized a few talking points, marshmallow generalities, and chauvinistic aphorisms. Your pseudo-education qualifies you to stand alongside Caribou Barbie, waving flags and chanting jingoistic slogans like "My country, right or wrong!" and "Truth, Justice, and the American Way!" :)
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 26th, 2009

• Ahhhhh, your problem is you don't like what I said because I think you are one of the Commies rather then just one of the cronically brainwashed minions. You are one of the many whose job it is, to brainwashing as many people as you can. In order to be a serious member of ACLU, you would have to be a commie. The ACLU and people like you are a danger to our country. You are destroying America and it has to stop, and it will stop. Mark my words.

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  by Shes Country on November 26th, 2009

• No, my problem is that you STILL haven't posted anything to respond to. All puffy verbiage and not one hard fact.
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  For example, you can't name a single Republican president who has improved the lot of Americans. You and your kind have nothing to offer America. All you do is spend, spend, borrow, and spend, without paying your debts. You start unnecessary wars and can't finish them. You left TWO unfinished wars for Pres. Obama to clean up--and you had 8 YEARS to clean up your own mess.
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  You left the country deep in debt, and you didn't even TRY to pay it off. Instead, you gave big tax breaks to the rich-- who didn't need them.
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  You allowed the worst enemy attack EVER to occur on our soil, b/c you didn't heed the many warnings from the FBI, CIA, and Clinton's staff when they were leaving. Dozens of officials warned George "WMD" Bush of the impending attack, but he and Condi ignored all the warnings and allowed the World Trade Center twin towers to be destroyed, along with 3000 citizens. Why did you do that? What happened to "defending America"?
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  You and your kind are LOSERS, and you're trying to take the country down with you. Sorry; we're not gonna let that happen. You lost Big Time in the last election, because a big majority of American voters are wise to you and your vast incompetence. You will keep losing, because you have nothing to offer.
  
   

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  by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on November 27th, 2009

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• This answer should be #1. I have always preferred to answer believers in this fashion when they try to push their mythology on me. Anonymous..you have a sharp wit.

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  by ReverendJeremiah on July 22nd, 2007

• and you're just ignorant and arrogant

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  by brandy on October 25th, 2007

• Hardly. How many times does Christianity have to have it's bids at 'Creation Science' thrown out of schools, taken to court then thrown out of court, taken to scientists (yes, only after trying force and legal action) then thrown out... Before you will understand that IT'S JUST NOT SCIENCE.
   
  As for arrogance, how so? That doesn't seem to stem from anything that anyone's said here... (Except perhaps an implied meaning of your comment; that you yourself are neither ignorant nor unjustified in being overbearing)

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  by Twhupfold on October 25th, 2007

• I must agree, Twhupfold. @ Anon & Rev: I wasn't speaking in generalizations, but simply asking in regards to one in particular. I know about as little about Atheists in general, as I know about Christians in general.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

• Haha, that's pretty righteous Anonymous. You get points for that. As for "brandy"--I'm sure he'd say the exact thing back at you, which makes it even funnier.

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  by Zibeltor on November 22nd, 2007

• We have had 'Creationism', rammed down OUR throats since the bible was concocted! And there is EVIDENCE that Evolution is REAL, whereas god, and Creationism, does NOT!
  it is time for some reality to set in. Evolution is SCIENCE like biology is science!
  Creation ahs to do with religion, and dowes NOT belong in schools, unless they are church schools!
  otherwise, keep it out of secular schools!

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  by my truth on January 17th, 2008

• Agreed, with one slight alteration; I think Creationism should be taught in schools as a part of religion classes, because it is helpful for the students to understand just how stupid Creationism is, but it should never be associated with Science (since it is so emphatically 'not' science.)

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  by Twhupfold on January 17th, 2008

• Talk about fools do you people even look at what you write? Evolution is the biggest lie man has ever come up with. Man cannot prove anything for evolution. In my life time scientist have came up with 10 different ways that man got here, funny thing is not one of them holds water. You fools believe as you wish, but remember no amount of crying on judgment day is gonna help you. You had your chance, you believe man over God no wonder God says man is a fool.

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  by binkys on March 6th, 2008

• Ok?...

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  by Twhupfold on March 6th, 2008

• Binkys, talk about a fool, look at what you write! Are you a scientist? Are you credited to say evolution is a sham? And also, who made you the "high and mighty" christian to come into an atheist question board just to put them down? The fact is that there is no solid proof about god either buddy, and also, people like you make me sick. The judging, fanatics like you. Open your mind a little bit and if your faith is so right then don't be afraid to question it. Your just another run of the mill christian who can't seem to deal with the fact that there are many religions, many belief systems, and many different people. Think of it this way... if islam is the right way then YOUR going to hell and no amount of your tears will save you then. So don't go around calling people fools just because they happen to believe differently than you, you fucking narrow minded prick.

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  by Anonymous on March 8th, 2008

• binkys, I am willing to bet that you don't know the first thing about evolution and natural selection. If you can prove scientifically that Darwinian evolution is completely wrong, then you will deserve a Nobel prize. If you just call people fools for accepting something for which there is a mountain of evidence, and about which you know nothing, then you are the fool.

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  by Prunesquallor on June 17th, 2008

• 1. Evolution is a well proven FACT.
  2. Some Christians accept evolution.
  3. Some Atheists do not accept evolution.
  4. Evolution is not about gods.
  5. Atheism is not about science.
  6. Binkys, You believe in a god unquestionably without any meaningful evidence, Atheists question everything and need at least some sort of meaningful evidence. This explains why your comments are so foolish.

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  by Retrovampire on August 6th, 2008

• Although I'm glad that binkys seems to believe in the genesis account for creation, he did not act as I think a Christian should. I would like to point out though, that Retrovampire is mistaken in his assumption that Evolution (as an explanation for the origin of life and species) is a well proven fact. Evolutionary Theory is a supposed explanation for an event that no one alive today witnessed and that we cannot replicate. We can only begin with a presupposition or belief on how the world is, and view evidence from there. It is also important to point out that evolution requires an increase in information through mutations to explain the increase in complexity in organisms. This is impossible. Information must be added to a system by an intelligent designer. A good analogy can be found here:
  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i4/computer.asp
  I hope anyone reading this post will read that article with an open mind.

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  by Pakiti on September 23rd, 2008

• 1. Retrovampire is not mistaken.
  2. Evolution "IS" a well proven "FACT."
  3. Evolution does not explain the "Origin of life."
  4. Evolution explains the evolution of species.
  5. Abiogenesis explains the "Origin of life", and it is unproven, although it does have some supporting laboratory evidence for the systems behind it.
  6. The analogy from the article above : "just as Mickey Mouse watches and cordless electric drills are different. Mickey Mouse watches haven’t evolved into ‘higher’ forms." says all I need to know about the guy that wrote it.
  7. This article sounds very much like a Perry Marshal argument about DNA codes. This has been debunked many, many times.
  8. You say "evolution requires an increase in information through mutations to explain the increase in complexity in organisms." This just proves you do not understand evolution.
  9. Stop reading creation science sites and get a real book on evolution by a proper biologist/geologist etc.

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  by Retrovampire on September 24th, 2008

• The whole article you have posted is based upon one simple premise of a single element missing from evolution. Its conclusion is “There is still one basic element missing—the mechanism for change—which requires the addition of new information from an intelligent source.” The problem here of course is that mechanism is not missing, its in fact two mechanisms.
  1. The environment.
  2. Survival. (reproduction)
  Both take advantage of gene mutation so that the fittest to suit its needs survives. Not all the mutation is good, and much does not survive. The mechanisms for survival of mutations leads to speciation. Simple really.

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  by Retrovampire on September 24th, 2008

• The fact that evolution is true doesn't mean there is no god. And science, well it is the study of god. You can't disprove god through science. God created science.

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  by Hanwi on December 29th, 2008

• Check back over what I have said, I have not denied the existence of a god here. I can not disprove a god, or for that matter prove one either. This is not to say that I believe a god does exist, as I find the whole concept absurd and pointless.

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  by Retrovampire on December 30th, 2008

• I believe there could be god's... Look at Microsoft...
  Why can't there be something greater than human in another dimension? But did we come from them? Maybe, maybe not... There is a lot of new sciences involving string theory that does theorize other dimensions... Sort of like our universe is a fish bowl and we are fish and there may be something greater...
  
  It sort of goes to the old question of "If God exists, where did he come from?"
  
  I'm more for assuming that just like amoeba compared to us, there may be greater, but does that mean just because we are larger than amoeba and smarter we can create amoeba from nothing? And if so, would we treat them as our children or is it just an experiment? Too many questions and no answers and don't think a book written by someone here on earth is enough to prove this particular belief is the true way things had started... So if I'm going to believe in something, I choose something a little more solid and I don't waste time on the rest...

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  by NeoPlasmaX on May 6th, 2009

• Sorry, evolution is not true it is only a THEORY at this point in time. The scientists that have FAITH and BELIEVE in it are still working on how it all began. They are every so often revising some part or portion of the theory as they require in order to make the theory work more smoothly.

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  by Geezer on June 12th, 2009

• I don't normally quote from Wikipedia, but in this case I will make an exception:-
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  "According to the United States National Academy of Sciences,
  
  Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena, [5]
  
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  A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact.[6]"

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  by Prunesquallor on June 13th, 2009

• The only thing is, is that evolution is still only a theory and cannot be proven because you cannot observe what was a hundred thousand, or a million, or a billion years ago. So I believe that evolution of man from a primordial soup of chemicals without any living matter is really only a hunch or specuation. I guess in order to make this into a "scientific theory" then there should be some FACTS supported by nature which has been recorded through time.

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  by Geezer on June 13th, 2009

• The fossil record doesn't really support this and cannot really be used as evidence as no one was there to observe it. I don't see these FACTS recorded anywhere. Assumptions and hunches are not FACTS. As far as experiment goes - how can that be done in order to prove the facts. I think we should ALL just agree to disagree instead of attacking each other and venting our frustrations (which originate from elsewhere) on each other!
  
  At least we could agree on and get along with each other on something.

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  by Geezer on June 13th, 2009

• I don't believe in gravity - it's only a theory.

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  by Prunesquallor on June 13th, 2009

• Me too I don't believe in air I can't see it!

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  by Geezer on June 13th, 2009

• I believe in air because I am not stupid and I can breathe it.

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  by Prunesquallor on June 14th, 2009

• You're nice calling me stupid! I'm not going to play with you anymore, but I will pray for you.

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  by Geezer on June 14th, 2009

• praying doesn't work....ever you just think it works

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  by orpheus on September 5th, 2009

• geezer you will NEVER be right...ever. you have no real understanding of what science is. all you seem to understand is the fake science you read off of some dumbass creationism website.

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  by orpheus on September 5th, 2009

• @Geezer, I didn't call you stupid. I said that if someone didn't believe in air they would be stupid. I didn't believe that you seriously don't believe in air. The evidence of this thread points to the conclusion that you should read a little more thoroughly.

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  by Prunesquallor on September 5th, 2009

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• Great video!

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  by kellygorski on July 4th, 2007

• Every Theist on this website should watch this clip. It answers the question beautifully.

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  by Magenta on October 2nd, 2007

• Very good video. Kind of hits the nail on the head!

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  by Phil in the Blank...backandtotheleft on October 20th, 2007

• First, I'd like to apologize for missing this answer.
  Secondly, it isn't another way to phrase my question, as I wasn't making a generalization of Atheists. My question was in reference to one person in particular, but so many seemed to have overlooked the use of "AN" Atheist in my question.
  Lastly, I enjoyed the video and believe that it touched upon many unknown facts that should be disseminated across the US. Too many people use "facts" to support their ideas, without even knowing that their "facts" are actually nothing more than myths. Thank you for your response.

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  by Wolfen on July 14th, 2008

• So basically your saying this clip proves theres no God!...I would that is very very Wrong! But everyone can choose for self what to believe.

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  by Anonymous on November 11th, 2008

• great video.
  if only more people were aware of our struggle...
  keep in mind this is only an issue in certain countries.
  but we israeli atheists find ourselves in a similar position.

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  by Sympho de Proggy on February 14th, 2009

• Excellent video, thanks FadingxSmiles! Wish I had more points to give you!! ++

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  by Dugald on July 27th, 2009

• Someone, somewhere said, "there are no Atheists in foxholes"
  
  I say we take all the atheists, put them in a train, start the train down the track, get it up to full speed, and run it over a cliff into the ocean that is swirling with hungry great white sharks. Then we'd see who really doesn't believe in God.

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  by pauly on August 10th, 2009

• @pauly - Nice, thanks. So "Kill all the people who don't believe what I believe" is your plan? Actually, that pretty much sums up many of the prominent world religions ...

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  by Dugald on August 13th, 2009

• Great answer pauly! I'd like to volunteer you to jump in the water first and make sure the sharks are even enough of a frenzy.

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  by Wolfen on August 20th, 2009

• "...in enough of a frenzy."

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  by Wolfen on August 20th, 2009

• come join us, Pauly....
  the water's fine

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  by Sympho de Proggy on August 22nd, 2009

• Excellent answer!

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  by Arisztid on October 15th, 2009

• Great video!

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  by MrJosh on November 21st, 2009

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• Couldn't agree more. Religion needs to evolve and admit that there are such things as grey areas. We do not live in a world of black and white.

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  by James Black on January 28th, 2007

• I got a kick out of "generalizations about non-bowlers". Those people are out to get all of us!

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  by Stableboy on January 29th, 2007

• Eventhough your response doesn't answer the question, I agree with what you are saying, Branciforte. I wasn't making any generalizations about Atheists or anyone else. I specifically chose the words "an Atheist", so that people would know that this was NOT a generalization. Although it seems that I have failed miserably in conveying this properly. Also, I've made no accusations about anyone trying to convert anyone else and sincerely hope that no one feels that my question has implied this. I imagine that the result would have been the same had I asked, "Why would a Christian (Or anyone else with any religious conviction) answer a question as to why an Atheist doesn't believe in 'God'?". I guess that I should have simply asked, "Why would an auto mechanic perform brain surgery, just because they've seen evey episode of ER?".

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  by Wolfen on January 29th, 2007

• Personally, I would have started the question with "What are some reasons that an atheist might...". Or, "Why would a person ... if they were an atheist?" But I get it now. My answer would be that it is probably in response to certain Christian communities trying to branch out into the fields of science (Creationism, global warming, etc...) and politics (10 commandments in court houses, global warming, etc...). Because the religious right is having a very real and negative (in the instant atheist's opinion) influence on our country, which we all share. Because there are people in the White House who believe that the rapture is coming any day, so why save the environment? Because they are tired of being told that they are going to Hell by people on street corners? I could think of a lot of reasons.
  

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  by branciforte3241 on January 29th, 2007

• Maybe ask this: Why are there no atheists challenging the beliefs of Buddhists or Hindus?
  

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  by branciforte3241 on January 29th, 2007

• As hindsight is 20/20, I have realized many different ways that I could have asked the question, that may have been more precise and appeared less confrontational. A moot point now, I'm afraid. My apologies to everyone for leaving such an open window for the meaning of this question to be miconstrued. Your comment is more in line with the thought process that I was seeking, and I do thank you. As to the last comment, I put the word God in quotation marks so people would realize that this would include both Dharmic and Abrahamic religions. Not meaning any specific "God", but the concept of "God", in general.

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  by Wolfen on January 29th, 2007

• What I meant by that last comment, which was poorly expressed, was this: Why is it that Buddhists and Hindus are not often the target of atheist writings? What is is about the judeo-christian religions that make some atheists want to engage them? Because I think the answer to that is the answer to your original question.
  

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  by branciforte3241 on January 29th, 2007

• Thank you for your insight and input, Branciforte. This is the most intelligent conversation that I've had on AB, thus far. Would be much better if there was a forum that people could converse on these topics in real time. I guess I'll just have to start sending you my questions beforehand...lol That way we can discuss the most precise way of wording the question, so that it is conveyed properly and less apt to be misconstrued.

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  by Wolfen on January 30th, 2007

• I think you would find that Buddhists and Hindus get a fair amount of commentary from atheists...in India and the Far East. There's nothing that special about judeo-christian relgions to atheists, they're just the ones American and European atheists have the most exposure to.

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  by Deanjay on April 12th, 2007

• Hmm... I'm Buddhist, and I don't think I've ever been challenged on the topic by an atheist. As a matter of fact, I know quite a few Buddhists who are also atheists! But I agree that we're generalizing on a small base of data here... there's a lot more Christians than anything else in the West.

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  by Stableboy on April 14th, 2007

• Yet more words of wisdom from Stableboy.

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  by Time Lord on November 4th, 2007

• Actually generalizations amount religious demographics are quite accurate for the most part when you break it down by church attendance.

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  by yellowJZ on August 10th, 2009

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• Not confrontational, but you know how much I like fireworks...lol First time I've ever been downrated for a question.

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

• But then how do you explain the fact that Joe Atheist doesn't spend much time talking about leprechauns, or flying monkeys? Presumably, he doesn't believe in those, either, so wouldn't he likewise be seeking to spread his aleprechaunism to everyone too? Considering that we all seek to sway others into adopting our beliefs as their own? Wouldn't there be equal time given, if your theory were correct?

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  by Jessicax23 on January 28th, 2007

• First of all, I didn't state a theory, just my personal belief, as my answer clearly denotes in the opening sentence. Secondly, if Joe Atheist, or anyone else for that matter, meets someone that does believe in leprechauns or flying monkeys, then my belief is that the same thing applies. If there were a question that asked if leprechauns or flying monkeys were real, many would reply. Also, many of those replies would not be simply "yes" or "no". Lastly, if you would re-read my answer, you should notice that I spoke about "desire". I did not single out Atheists, Christians, or any other group. I spoke of my belief about humans in "general".

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  by Schatzi on January 28th, 2007

• you're missing my point; nm.

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  by Jessicax23 on January 28th, 2007

• jbarbie23: you seem to have stated that if someone does not believe in supernatural things that s/he is required to run around denying all supernatural things to everyone all the time in order to be such a person. I'd say you seem to be applying some form of double-standard: why aren't theists required to do the same thing? They clearly do not believe in many supernatural things themselves, so by your reasoning everyone in the world should run around 24/7 saying what they do and don't believe in to everyone, until they all pass out from exhaustion and starvation, OR they can't call themselves an atheist/theist. Since the number of concepts of supernatural things are limited only by the human imagination, giving equal time to telling people what you do and do not believe in would take up all of your time.

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  by eternal0void on March 5th, 2007

• And strictly speaking, Joe Atheist is an *atheist*. Leprechauns aren't Deities. You cannot make any assumptions about an Atheist other than the detail that the Atheist does not believe in any Deities. Yes they are often skeptical about the supernatural in general, but an atheist defines a person who does not believe in the existence of, or evidence for, Deities.

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  by eternal0void on March 5th, 2007

• If you can show me one atheist who believes in leprechauns, I'll eat my hat. But that aside, my point (still missed) is that atheists are only spending time talking about their views on deities when those views are relevant to the topic at hand or the topics of the day. In a stirring discussion about fairies, you would likely hear them share their views thereupon; it just doesn't happen very often. No one runs around 24/7 talking about what they don't believe in, and I most certainly didn't insinuate, in any way, that I expect them to or even would appreciate it. I can't see AT ALL where you're getting the impression that I stated that anyone is "required to run around denying..." anything. In fact, I specifically said that this answer was illogical because people DON'T do that, and therefore the premise is flawed.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 5th, 2007

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• I said, "an Atheist". It was not implied that all or even most Atheists do this. If I don't believe in "God", I wouldn't bother answering questions that pertain to someone else's beliefs in "God". By the same token, if I did believe in "God, I wouldn't bother answering questions that pertain to an Atheist's reasons for their belief. It seems to me that the time would be better spent speaking on subjects that we believe in and not admonishing others for their beliefs. Disagreement is one thing. Chastisement is altogether something different. And this is meant for both sides.

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

• and while i respect your points Chill, a lot of atheists go to the Christian section JUST TO BASH AND DEBASE GOD and Christians...why do they find the need to do this?...convert Christians...it goes both ways....but this is the first time i have come to atheism...just wanted to see why they aren't content enough to stay in their own section...whats missing that they spend lots of "time and energy" in ours????
  i dont try to convert them, as thats a personal journey and they are on their own journey....but they will spout their belief in a heartbeat and so will i , if asked....:)

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  by thatsJustme on May 17th, 2009

• "a lot of atheists go to the Christian section JUST TO BASH AND DEBASE GOD and Christians"
  
  That's actually a very good question. Unfortunately, many people have taken that to imply that there's something dysfunctional about atheism or atheists that causes them to do that.
  
  The reality, I think, is simply that those people have been hurt (or tremendously annoyed) by religion and is lashing back. It's not a great thing to do, but it's expected human behavior. Religious people who come out of persecution do the same.
  
  The intelligent thing to do would be to look at why people lash back when they do. Often it reveals a deeper issue that is enlightening and allows us to improve things. e.g. Maybe we should look at how religious activity is affecting non-believers and find a better way to co-exist without affecting each other's freedoms.

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  by YellowBrickRoad on July 20th, 2009

• ChillWinterheart - brilliant answer! Most of the time the concept of a God never even enters my mind.
  
  Some of us do come to this section because of an interest in the intellectual discussion - just as we go to many other topics.

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  by Irisibis on July 27th, 2009

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• so in your case atheism is a reaction to theism? I'm not a religios person myself but where I'm from no one ever tries to force their religion on me

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  by kvikks on March 22nd, 2007

• Oh you are lucky- I have had many doorknockings by JW's and Mormons where I live. They keep coming back. No my atheism is not a reaction to anything- I was not brought up religiously and have been an atheist all of my life. I just can't believe in the existence of a God even if I wanted to.

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  by Engeltje on March 22nd, 2007

• careful, eng - you'll soon be told that you can force yourself into believing ANYTHING just by blinking it into being! I've already been round that argument several times. There are people here who honestly believe that you can just bob your head like in "I Dream of Jeannie" and make yourself suddenly believe any ridiculous notion. It's just a choice, didn't you know? lol

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  by Jessicax23 on March 22nd, 2007

• Hehe Jess, thanks for the warning- I'm still getting to know AB.
  I think the next new thing out is something called "the message" or similar.
  You can be anything and have anything you want just by thinking about it. Right!

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  by Engeltje on March 23rd, 2007

• I'm sorry but you are completely wrong when saying that believing in God is not logical and I don't appreciate your belittling those of us who have faith and a belief in God, just because you do not understand it. I do not judge you for your lack of faith and do not call you illogical or any other name and would appreciate you being a little more respectful of me and my beliefs. Supposedly Christians are the judgemental ones-you prove that hypothesis wrong!! There are answers on here from Athiest who are capable of answering without belittling or being judgemental, may be you could read theirs. I did not down rate you. I just want you to treat me the way I treat you!! <:))))<>< My salvation and my honor depend on God; He is my mighty rock, my refuge.--Psalm 62:7

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  by sleeppro on March 27th, 2007

• People on AB have claimed that being an atheist is illogic, so I wanted to claim the truth. I am not out to hurt anyone's feelings, but I value honesty and freedom or speech more than I value religion. If people choose to believe in something unproven, that's OK, as long as they don't push their religion onto others. The many doorknocking Jehova's and Mormons really are irritating and probably made me more averse than I otherwise would have been.
  Religion is a personal thing.
  There have been so many religous wars that I can't respect what any of them are saying. They're talking about love or peace, but I see the religions fight and kill. If you feel the need to rate me down, please do so but at least I have not been dishonest or hidden my REAL feelings about religion. Having said that, I didn't intend to offend you but I wish that reglious people would be more open to criticism.
  Everything else is being criticised and scrutinised, why should religions be treated differently?

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  by Engeltje on March 27th, 2007

• Eneltje, try reading "evidence that demands a verdict" by josh Mcdowell and then let me hear what you have to say. This man was an agnostic and tryed to prove christianity wrong and became a christian because of the evidence he found. Its a great book.

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  by Designer4theking...loves her kitties on December 10th, 2008

• Eng...u can't judge all Believers by a congregation...God won't ...its personal...and while ur belief is personal, i understand that...but i do not judge u by all other atheists...u have ur reasons...
  but don't judge me by JWs, Baptists, Cath., etc.
  ur reasoning and questions are good and normal..but to answer by a man made religion is not of the Bible/God, but man....
  i believe in the WORD...not mans or mans religious dogma or assemblies..
  there is only one difference between an atheist and a Believer..one has SPIRITUALISM and the other doesn't....

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  by thatsJustme on May 17th, 2009

• look your opinions are great and all and no one should downrate you for them, but in truth you did not answer his question. You just tried to prove it is illogical to believe in god.

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  by emilybronte101 on June 15th, 2009

• I've read Josh McDowell. He depends on the "proof by default" logical fallacy. Basically, he says that Jesus was either a lunatic, a liar or the Lord. He provides his own opinions as to why the first two are wrong, and uses that as proof that the third is correct.
  
  That's not a credible argument.

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  by YellowBrickRoad on July 20th, 2009

• read the brand new one with historical facts, His latest. We saw the man and were quite impressed.

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  by Designer4theking...loves her kitties on July 20th, 2009

• You will die at Armageddon for that. You can believe it or not, you'll be like those who didn't believe in Noah's day and die like the people in Sodom and Gomorrah.
  
  It's not child abuse. Blood transfusion is not good and disrespectful. Their children know they'll be resurrected if they die. Their faithful.

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  by aneedtoknowgirl on November 4th, 2010

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• Thank you Journo. Many misunderstood what I was asking and the whole thing kind of blew up, so I apologize for taking so long to read your response.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• Again, much of the same can be said of many Christians and other religious people.

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

• I in no way think I'm smarter than people who believe in god and am in no way threatened by religion. The whole "They are so afraid that they are out to try and convert the masses beliving" sounds more to me like what many religious zealots do. You're way off base on this one.

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  by Drublic on January 27th, 2007

• I wish you had posted an actual answer, Drublic. Much like when some Atheists give an authoritative answer to a question of religious beliefs, I seem to be receiving some authoritative answers to a question that only an Atheist can answer with any authority. Opinions are great as long as they don't tend to imply otherwise.

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

• drublic> If you have people knocking at your door trying to convert you I'm truely sorry but I can tell you its not my congregation or even anyone in my national church organization. I've never seen a Christian try to convert someone by asking them questions about their faith and then determining that every answer they give is completly unacceptable as an answer.

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  by Valparaiso on January 27th, 2007

• There are dozens of questions on this site that ask about why atheists believe what they do, and they in turn are full of religious people telling them that they are wrong. I'm not saying all atheists are respectful, live and let live, people. I'm just pointing out it goes both ways and your answer makes generalizations that are not true and are insulting.

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  by Drublic on January 27th, 2007

• Did you not read the part where I put (Not all of them but the most vocal ones.)??

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  by Valparaiso on January 27th, 2007

• Still a generalization that has no basis behind it. Such generalization is also considered stereotyping.

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  by Drublic on January 27th, 2007

• oh no I'm sterotyping even though I said (Not all) woah is me. Sheesh everything is a sterotype, you just can't win anymore.

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  by Valparaiso on January 27th, 2007

• Yes, you're saying any atheist who is vocal about their belief is scared of religion and are out to convert everyone they see. It's not true. Being proud of who you are and making it known does not mean either of those things are true. And that, is stereotyping. You can't say it's not a stereotype by adding in the clause "not all" because "but most" is what follows that.

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  by Drublic on January 27th, 2007

• I said the most vocal ones! not most of them! And I hardly think when an atheist comes in asks me questions and won't accept my answer as being legitmate and then throws his own interpretations of scripture that he doesn't even belive in then I do think thats trying to aggressivly convert someone. Thats not being a proud atheist! Thats like saying that me telling you "Enjoy hell you godless sodomite" is being a proud Christian!

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  by Valparaiso on January 27th, 2007

• So are the most vocal christians afraid of atheism? Are they not proud? I'm saying you are generalizing all vocal atheists. What are we supposed to do? Sit in our homes and mind our own business while christians write our text books, spend our tax dollars, and take control of our country? Atheist have every right to be vocal and proud just as christians, muslims, and jews do. I would never say you shouldn't have the right to speak out, why is it ok the other way around?

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  by Drublic on January 28th, 2007

• No, but since when do you see me attacking atheism directly unless I'm already defending by beliefs from an atheistic attack? And yes I would agree with you that the most vocal Christians are probably somewhat afraid of atheism as well. I know a lot of people who are vocally afraid of Islam although I have yet to understand this fear myself.

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  by Valparaiso on January 28th, 2007

• When do you attack atheism besides in this answer? I don't pay enough attention to you to answer besides this occurrence. I completely disagree with your answer because it is still a generalization about a group of people that you don't even know, so there is no basis for it being true.

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  by Drublic on January 28th, 2007

• I was an atheist for more years then I've been a Christian. Second of all there isn't a day that goes by on answerbag where I don't have to defend my faith in one way or another. Guess what its no the Jews or the Muslims who are attacking it!

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  by Valparaiso on January 28th, 2007

• Don't you think the same attacks come from the religious side toward the atheists. I don't hold those attacks against every believer and I don't think every believer who speaks out about there faith is scared of me. PS, I was raised catholic and was a believer for many years, so it's not that I don't understand what people believe, I just don't understand why so many do it blindly.

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  by Drublic on January 28th, 2007

• It only appears to you as blind faith. God talks with me, we have conversations. So either God exists or I belong in a mental institution for talking to non-existant beings.

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  by Valparaiso on January 28th, 2007

• Well, I must not have been good enough to talk to, and until that day comes, I'm an atheist and I will speak out as I please with absolutely no fear of you.

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  by Drublic on January 28th, 2007

• Go right ahead. I can only guess as to why God hasn't spoken with you yet. My guess is probably that you havn't opened your mind up to listen. But thats only my guess.

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  by Valparaiso on January 28th, 2007

• You should go ahead and continue to make guesses about things you have no idea about, it seems to do well for you.

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  by Drublic on January 28th, 2007

• Well your relationship or lack there of is between you and God. I can only offer up my thoughts on it all. Look when I was a 19 year old atheist suddenly I heard God talk to me and for a long time I didn't know what to do and I was afraid. I'm not trying to judge you. Take care.

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  by Valparaiso on January 28th, 2007

• I too have found your conduct offensive. Richard Dawkins is a respected scientist, with outstanding qualifications and achievements.

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  by James Black on January 28th, 2007

• It might be a good idea to have the whole "God talking to me" phenomenon psychologically analysed just to make sure it isn't schizophrenia. Most schizophrenics don't know they are suffering.

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  by James Black on January 28th, 2007

• Has he done anything recently? I mean in terms of science. And james, If you foot the bill I'll get psychologically tested, but right now no one has sent the men in white suits after me. I talk with and see my parents a lot and they are agnostic and they havn't called the men in white suits either.

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  by Valparaiso on January 28th, 2007

• It's boring when you keep trotting out the same slur, after you've been told by MANY people that you are mistaken. If you know someone who is afraid of a religion, just use their name and stop pretending that millions of people agree.

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  by Jessicax23 on January 28th, 2007

• I have yet to have anyone successfully argue that people like Richard Dawkins is not afraid of religions. Has he ever given them a fair shake? All he talks about is the harm he thinks they do, never mentions the religious charities and orphanages and schools. He is afraid of religion.

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  by Valparaiso on February 16th, 2007

• I disagree, but really neither of us should be putting out our theories when only one person knows the answer. This is certainly why you "have yet to have anyone successfully argue" the point, since the only person who can argue it is Mr. Dawkins, not you or anyone you've come across. I highly doubt you are correct, but unless he's addressed this accusation, I suppose there is no way of knowing.

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  by Jessicax23 on February 16th, 2007

• Ok so I strongly suspect that he and others are afraid of religion.

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  by Valparaiso on February 16th, 2007

• If you read any of Dawkins work, you would find he acts the way he does because he cares deeply about humanity and its future. The amount of harm that religion does is so much greater than the amount of good it does.

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  by James Black on February 16th, 2007

• james> Cause Stalin ran very good secular society. It was totally fair and just. Oh and the Chinese do too. I can assure you that MODERN Christianity does far more good then harm.

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  by Valparaiso on February 16th, 2007

• It doesn't. End of. If you really want me to go into it then I will

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  by James Black on February 16th, 2007

• Cause a couple heretic fundamentilists protest a gay rights parade you think you can throw out the billions of dollars Christians funnel all over the world?

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  by Valparaiso on February 16th, 2007

• That's the problem Val, I don't see it as a couple of fundamentalists. I see it as a serious problem, which can only lead to discrimination and more violence in the end. I'm not talking just about Christianity anyway, what about Islam? What about September the 11th in New York and July 7th in London? What about The Middle East where war has raged throughout most of history because of religion?

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  by James Black on February 16th, 2007

• If it were only religion that made people charitable towards other humans, I'd be tempted to turn in my membership card to this sad species. Thankfully, that's not the case, and I'm able to maintain a bit of pride in humanity after all.

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  by Jessicax23 on February 16th, 2007

• Check your recs, religious people give far more money to charitable causes then atheists. And JB, Its not the religion its the people in it. What about Stalin where he massacured Christians because they wouldn't get with the atheist program. It doesn't matter what faith or lack of faith you are, violent people will use that faith or lack there of as an excuse for violence.

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  by Valparaiso on March 8th, 2007

• I'm not talking about violence. I'm saying that if hope for reward/fear of punishment proferred by religion were the only things that motivated people to want to help others, that would embarrass me as a human being. Other than those two elements, there is nothing in religion that makes those who claim it any more likely to be charitable. Basic human decency and the instinctive bent toward social justice fills the bill quite nicely without that fear/greed that drives religious people specifically - so religion v. no religion is not a determining factor, in the case of decent people.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 8th, 2007

• Yes there is, every religion rejects materialism. (Save for a few heretics) Also I'm just saying if you look up the stats religious people give more. And I was talking to James Black not you about the violence thing.

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  by Valparaiso on March 9th, 2007

• I disagree. I am not 'afraid' of religion, I simply find that a lot of religions contain biased, illogical and conflicting beliefs that are used to enable hatred of other groups. I talk about religions because I like to point out these descripancies and also compare different processes between religions.

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  by Anonymous on April 9th, 2007

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• Thank you Tom. I appreciate your participation.

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

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• well I'm not going to split hairs over the specific definition of atheism as there seems to be some disagreement on its exact meaning, at least according to wikipedia. And leprechauns seems a poor example because no one really believes in them to begin with, thus no one to react to that belief. If you don't believe in god, why is it even an issue, that's what I don't get. I don't believe in jogging but there are plenty of people who do. I don't care about it, it never crosses my mind. Now if everyone in my neighborhood were joggers and they were always asking me why I don't jog, then it would be on my mind and I would have to come up with some rationale for why I don't jog, thus a reaction to their jogging. Maybe thats a bad example but my point is, if it's not a reaction to another belief, why do people make an issue out of it?

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

• You just proved my point - you can "not believe in jogging" and yet that's not a reactionary stance. You just don't. It has nothing to do with what anyone else may or may not believe.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• wikipedia talks about the USAGE of the word - just like dictionaries do. But the word can only be broken down as "a" and "theism" - and there is no mistaking those meanings: "without belief in a god or gods"

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• it is a reactionary stance if I'm forced to come up with a reason for why I'm not doing it otherwise it will never cross my mind. Why would I NOT believe in it if there wasn't some force leading me to believe in it in the first place? Did anyone not believe in the theory of relativity before that theory existed?

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

• Yes - everyone.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• they didn't believe it, but they didn't not believe it either, because they had no knowledge of it. An idea has to exist first before you can disprove it. I understand you are approaching it from the definition of "without belief in god", but I'm assuming that most atheists out there believe there is no god, not a lack of belief in genereal. In the case of your definition, then yes, atheism makes perfect sense to me.

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

• Well, even then, once exposed to the idea, is it not fair for someone to examine the idea and not believe it, just as it's fair for another person to examine the idea and believe it? Sounds like a double standard to me. "It's only ok to consider the question if you then come to the same conclusion as I did." Nice.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• This is exactly what I was thinking, thank you

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  by anonymous on March 23rd, 2007

• If I'm trying to convince you a chicken lives under my bed and you don't believe me then it's up to you to prove to me there is no chicken. Would you have any need to prove there wasn't a chicken if I never told you about it? Likewise is there any need to prove god's nonexistance if there aren't believers to begin with?

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

• I think I may have just entered the twilight zone of all impossible debates. Chickens? Of course, there is no way of proving either way, and I warn you know you're both going to have to agree to disagree at some point

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  by anonymous on March 23rd, 2007

• about the chickens? you could just have me look under the bed to prove me wrong, but that wasn't my point. You would never have me look under the bed in the first place if I hadn't tried to convince you something was there

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

• kvikks - I don't believe there is a chicken under your bed. I don't care; I just don't believe it's true. I don't care if you are worshipping an evil chicken, and I don't care if you look for it or not. Therefore I am an achickenist, and still don't care. So you've again proven my point, not yours.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• The only thing you've proven is that the atheists as you originally defined them would not care one way or another and I've already agreed with you on that. I was merely backing up my point expressed in my original question that atheists that don't believe in god are only reacting to those who do believe, otherwise it would be pointless to even care about it.

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

• You didn't do a very good job, then, because you haven't backed up that point at ALL. Not believing in X is NOT a reaction to someone else's belief, whether you actively disbelieve it or not. I mean, really, someone could say that belief in a deity in simply a reaction to someone having once said there were none. How would we ever know which assumption was first voiced? You're mistaken in your theory about atheists; move on.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• Please check my first example. If I'm not reacting from the pressures of my community to join in their ritual then what is it? and seriously what is with the attitude? You come across as extremely arrogant in your replies

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

• Yes, your first example - jogging. If there were never any pressure, ever, and someone had come up and asked you if you were a jogger, you would have said no - and that would not be a reaction to anything except the question. I don't know what attitude you are seeing, but I'm certainly not forcing you to have this conversation, so if you don't like my replies, you don't have to participate. And you don't have to start name-calling, either, while at the same time accusing me of having an attitude.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• I don't have time to elaborate any more on this tonight. I never called you any names and I have no problem with your replies, just your tone. Remember you're the one who told me to move on.

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  by kvikks on March 23rd, 2007

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• Good points.

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  by AntigoneRising on April 25th, 2007

• thank you :)
  i noticed you read the Bhagavad Gita. that was a very insightful story for me as far as the whole teachings of do your duty and the fruits of your labor are not yours to own. also that part about the world always being in a state of chaos and accepting reality as it is (the nature of the world always in flux) helped me come to terms with my dissapointment with social problems. i recommend socrates if you havent already read his stuff. awsome!

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  by MissMew on April 25th, 2007

• Thank you, Miss Mew.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• The same can be said for nearly any issue though. No one is ever going to agree on everything. I personally don't think bashing another's ideas will ever help advance yours.

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  by Drublic on January 27th, 2007

• The thing that gets me about "bashing another's ideas" is that we would never accept the logic associated with theistic thinking in any other area (like politics, math, science, etc.). Could you imagine someone saying, "Well, I know you think the Holocaust happened, but I think it didn't, and I'm entitled to that opinion," and you feel you cannot respond because you need to "tolerate" or "respect" that opinion (because, remember, if you did respond, it'd be considerred "bashing")? That's nonsense. It's the same thing with religion. We cannot continue to allow people to think with such logical fallacies and still give them privileges or allow them to think it's ok to vote their beliefs even when their beliefs are not socially pragmatic.

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  by kellygorski on January 27th, 2007

• As my friend always says, "Well, your opinion is baseless drivel. If you are incapable of researching for facts and data and stringing them together to derive inferences, then your mouth had better restrict itself to chewing gum." I'd say that restriction applies to voting as well.

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  by kellygorski on January 27th, 2007

• I think of bashing more along the lines of disrespectful belittling of someones belief. Your holocaust example is a bit off the subject because there were thousands who saw this with their own eyes, while religion is based more on faith and is much more difficult to disprove. I think disagreeing with someone and giving your thoughts on the the subject as to why they are wrong is fine, if they are willing to have the conversations with you. But, degrading them and saying their vote shouldn't count because they're too stupid for believing in god is an insult and adds nothing to your argument. If anything, it detracts from the effectiveness of the points you are trying to make.

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  by Drublic on January 27th, 2007

• If a person believes he/she is speaking with an imaginary friend or hearing voices from "the great beyond," we claim that person has a mental disorder and is in need of treatment. When people do it en masse, we call it religion. Interesting, isn't it?
  
  I'm not saying theists shouldn't vote BECAUSE they believe in a deity, anyway. I'm saying they shouldn't be voting those beliefs into office because it isn't socially pragmatic. BIG difference.

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  by kellygorski on January 27th, 2007

• But many of those beliefs carry over into the political debates, which is why there have always been arguments about separation of church and state. Abortion is mostly a religious based argument. Most people who oppose it do it for religious reasons.

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  by Drublic on January 28th, 2007

• Exactly my point! You have supported my point more succinctly than I could have. This is the problem. For example, abortion opponents argue that the "soul" is received at conception, but we have no evidence that people have souls at all, and yet this type of mass superstition enters the poitical debate. It's the same problem with stem cell research. Millions of "souls" could be helped if we destroyed 3-day-old embryos, and yet because it is believed that these petri dish cells have "souls," others are forced to suffer. It makes no social sense to limit/prohibit abortion and stem cell research (and other similar things like same-sex marriage), yet we see it done every day! What we will see is eventual internal fragmentation of society if this type of fallacious thinking continues.

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  by kellygorski on January 30th, 2007

• But these are peoples morals. It doesn't matter where your morals come from. Without morals, the human race would be reduced to wild animals. You may think someone else sets there morals too high or in the wrong category, but I'd rather have too high of a moral culture than too low. I'm not saying I disagree on the issue mentioned, but with issues as a whole, morality gives us a good balance to keep humanity civilized. Don't confuse intelligence and civility. All people don't necessarily need religion to tell them what's moral, but sadly some do.

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  by Drublic on January 30th, 2007

• I don't think christians believe that they need religion to tell them whats moral, anybody can have morals, they just believe that morality comes from God.

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  by RockAngel on February 4th, 2007

• RockAngel: You just completely contradicted yourself. Drublic: If the morals are not socially pragmatic, then there is no need to hold onto them, let alone legislate them. If this morality forces others to suffer (and the icing on the cake is that said morals come from a higher power who created everything *barf*) then we are no better than animals. Religion is not THE source of morality-- the obejctive of quality survival for humanity is-- so yes, of course not only do the morals matter, the source of the morals matters more because in order to change the morality you need to go to the source.

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  by kellygorski on February 4th, 2007

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• why should atheists be worried? Why do they have to prove anything? Indeed, why should those who choose to believe in a (or more than one) divine being have to explain anything? Why can't everyone just mind their own business?

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  by AB-Katharine on November 3rd, 2010

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• I've never seen that, actually. I'd love an example. btw, if you lose points, it might be because you didn't answer the question, you just added to the comments the asker made. That's more of a discussion board post than an answer, and I know every time the "what do you downrate" thing comes up, most people say they'll downrate answers that don't answer the question. Just fyi. Sometimes opinions get downrated, but that wouldn't be the reason here.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 22nd, 2007

• Show reverance and Capitalize what you respect please.

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  by Kevisaurus is a Carnotaurus today on March 22nd, 2007

• lol, I love your opinion singwell! A lot of Atheists would take this same view with non-Athiests! I find it interesting that you've come across it working the other way.
  
  P.S I'm an agnostic. Not taking sides...
  

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  by John. on March 22nd, 2007

• + 3 for you

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  by Kevisaurus is a Carnotaurus today on March 22nd, 2007

• lol, Em. Customer loyalty referral bonus. ;-)

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  by Jessicax23 on March 22nd, 2007

• This is America you have the right to your opinion. Anyway I do agree with you that some atheist are like that,but from my experience those are usually the ones who were molested by a priest or something really bad like that happened to them in their church. I do mind an atheist sharing their views cause i don't see it as different from Christians always telling me stuff, but I get you.

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  by noletters on March 23rd, 2007

• Nice assumption noletters, but we arn't all in America. Other countries have the internet as well :)

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  by John. on March 23rd, 2007

• Did you have to pay extra for overseas shipping? ;-D

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• You get the point Ioharv. America is a big continent, so big that there's a north and a south, even a central.Do you live in a country that doesn't have free speech or something.

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  by noletters on March 23rd, 2007

• No, Australia has plenty of Free Speech. It was just interesting that you made the assumption. No harm meant by it.

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  by John. on March 23rd, 2007

• America is two big continents, and actually free speech is not guaranteed in all of its nations. I think the problem with saying "this is America; you have [free speech]" is that 1) you are calling "this" America, when it isn't; it's a website that reaches far beyond America... and 2) it carries with it an obnoxious, typically American arrogance in implying that free speech is an "American" privilege, when in reality it is enjoyed by people in much of the world. That someone will "get the point" is not important; your point can be overshadowed by being offensive. Defending that choice of words, by the way, just drives home the arrogance. From an outside perspective, your reaction validated his comment retroactively.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 23rd, 2007

• Yeah Jessicax23 I didn't know it was an international site, but ioharv let me know, I was joking with him. I love how quickly people are to put themselves about others on this site, proves point about yourself only.

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  by noletters on March 26th, 2007

• Yes, exactly: company. Isn't that what trundling off to a specific buiding on a specific day is all about, too?

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  by Shadowgirl777 on December 15th, 2007

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• You should do well with this mentality, Boot. Excellent answer. Thank you.

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  by Wolfen on February 16th, 2007

• Thankyou very much, Wolfen.

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  by bootlace on February 16th, 2007

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• I agree, most people are hypocrites. Regardless of their beliefs.

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

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• "you have had MANY non-religious conversations with atheists without even knowing it... a lot of people assume straight away that everyone else is religious and will act accordingly. "
  Very good point

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  by Blar on March 29th, 2007

• I was referring to one Atheist in particular, who at the time of this question, seem to feel obligated to spend all of his time in Theism categories. Sorry that so many misuderstood the question and thought it was an attack on Atheists in general. I appreciate your participation.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

• It's true that many of these replies & comments seem "arrogant" to those who don't agree. Right on for staying strong in the cold class war.

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  by Shadowgirl777 on December 15th, 2007

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• Thank you, wmax. I wish people on both sides would adopt your ideas about leaving others to believe as they may. Very good point about religion and your noting the distinction between Theism and religion.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• Well then what do you say about all the people who believe whole heartedly that god DOES exist? It sounds as if you have an Agnostic standpoint.

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  by Penny The Wise on March 22nd, 2007

• You say you can't be certain one way or the other, so it is Illogical to call either point wrong. People just think diffrent things.

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  by Mini_kilt on March 22nd, 2007

• Morons, he asked about atheism!

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  by -O-uknow on March 22nd, 2007

• points for honesty. you have a valid point, too.

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  by --angel_fire-- on March 22nd, 2007

• Whats with all of this frickin name calling??? He referenced both in his question, not just Atheism. read the question right before resorting to calling names. *steam*

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  by Penny The Wise on March 22nd, 2007

• Read The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. He explains much better than I can, why it is very illogical to believe that God exists.

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  by Engeltje on March 22nd, 2007

• Sorry, but that's not true, O-uknow. That false theory is called "Pascal's Wager" and it's been debunked many times, in many ways. There are too many possibilities. It only appears to make sense if you can't see past your own belief and make the narrowminded assumption that the only possibilities are your own belief and the direct opposite.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 22nd, 2007

• I read the question again and though he referenced theism his question was in regards to atheism. So your label stands.

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  by -O-uknow on March 22nd, 2007

• I'm talking about agnostic, not just atheism or theism. That's the only point I was trying to make.

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  by Penny The Wise on March 23rd, 2007

• Maybe your point should focus on the question asked and best made in "your" answer and not in a criticism of mine. Jessicax23 made the best argument in your defense that even though an atheist might not believe in the christian God does not necessarily mean they lose anything at all if the christian God is not the true god; However she fails to realize it is my opinion given along side what is a truth that "we are not certain one way or the other" and not a statement of fact.

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  by -O-uknow on March 23rd, 2007

• Ans I'M talking about when you called us morons because "he asked about atheism"! Maybe YOU should focus your point on what I'm trying to talk to you about rather than just pull shit out of your ass!

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  by Penny The Wise on March 24th, 2007

• My point was focused on the question and not on the distraction based on ignorance.

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  by -O-uknow on March 24th, 2007

• I don't even know how to respond to that. I suppose you're just a jack ass, and that's all there is to it.

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  by Penny The Wise on March 24th, 2007

• No, you are the flawed creation. My opinion is my opinion and what I choose to address is my desire. Sadly you are intolerant of this.

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  by -O-uknow on March 24th, 2007

• I didn't fail to realize anything. It's you who fails to realize that there are far more possibilities than "one way or the other" in the equation, so Pascal's Wager is a wrongminded, simplistic, and incredibly weak argument - whether you tart it up as 'My OpinionTM' or not.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 24th, 2007

• No..I do realize. Please read again. Still it is my "opinion". I shall try to tolerate yours.

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  by -O-uknow on March 24th, 2007

• It's not an opinion. There are more than two possibilities, and therefore Pascal's Wager is a joke. You can still point to it if you like, but it isn't an opinion. It's a flawed analysis, and beating a dead horse with it won't change that.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 24th, 2007

• You just don't get it. My last attempt at trying to help you understand. I've "said" that many do not necessarily believe in the christian God as the only other possibility. Which leaves the door open for many others. I never referenced Pascal. My opinion is my own regardless of him or any other...rascal.

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  by -O-uknow on March 24th, 2007

• Well, I think this is a good answer, -O-uknow. =)

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  by A on April 7th, 2008

• were actually more curious i think. you guys probably use god or Satan as an answer for everything right? us atheist keep looking for more different answers. hope this isn't being biased

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  by sanderpower on September 2nd, 2009

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• I always thought agnostics didn't care one way or the other. anyway heres point for the avatar

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  by kvikks on March 22nd, 2007

• No; agnostics don't "believe there is something out there" necessarily. That's called "Deism." Theists believe in a god or gods. Atheists don't happen to believe in any gods (some are agnostics, and some are what is known as "positive atheists" meaning they assert that no gods exist). Agnostics don't believe in a god or gods, but don't assert that they do not exist either; they simply hold that it's unknowable whether any gods exist.

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  by Jessicax23 on March 22nd, 2007

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• Don't you believe that this is the very attitude that sparks their wrath?

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

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• I don't believe in hell, why would I fear it. Your answer makes no sense.

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  by Drublic on January 27th, 2007

• In the words of Mark Twain, "It's better to be thought of an idiot, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt".

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

• Clarification. My previous comment was directed at the ludicrous answer. Not toward Drublic's comment.

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  by Wolfen on January 27th, 2007

• Wow, terrible answer, total ignorance and poor grammar. It almost makes me think you were trying to do badly!

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  by Godfather Part II on January 28th, 2007

• dude, Im not an athiest, and I can even see the ignorance in your answer.

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  by anonymous on January 28th, 2007

• Going to hell is funny. Interesting perspective.

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  by AntigoneRising on January 28th, 2007

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• why? If you don't believe in a higher being, why don't you just ignore them and get on with your life?

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  by tibear on November 3rd, 2010

• Why cannot theists ignore us and go on with theirs? They are the ones knocking on my door.

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  by moonkicker on November 3rd, 2010

• Do you attack the girl guides that come to your door as well? What is the criteria that you use to decide which groups "deserve" your wisdom?

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  by tibear on November 4th, 2010

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• Thank you for the answer. It looks like the US could take a few lessons for the UK.

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  by Wolfen on August 1st, 2009

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• I was speaking more in reference to a person that tended to initiate the conversations. I understand what you are saying though.

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  by Wolfen on June 15th, 2008

• Well you could say that the atheists were trying to defend themselfs by providing evidence through questions that would prove their innocence. Also some people take science way too seriously, like me, I go crazy when I hear people say that it is a fact that Jesus walked on water when humans have scientifically been proven that they cannot walk on water or resurrect the dead or themselfs.

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  by Lady Justice on June 15th, 2008

• I am quite sure that "believers" would argue that Jesus wasn't exactly human and that his actions defy science and often, logic. I understand defending one's beliefs, but this person "seemed" to want to instigate arguments and berate those that held different beliefs. That is why I initially asked this question. Although my intent has been thoroughly misunderstood, it has nevertheless been enlightening. Thank you for your response.

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  by Wolfen on June 15th, 2008

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• You direct your response toward me as if you know something about me. You tend to classify me as a "believer" simply because I ask a question about 'AN' Atheist. You speak of "my religion" when you don't even know if I have one. You have no idea as to what I believe or what I know. It would be more beneficial for you to learn how to state your case without allowing it to become a personal offensive. Thank you for taking time to respond.

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  by Wolfen on October 27th, 2007

• Did not intend to offend you. And the word "you" used in the answer was more a generic term. Perhaps I should have used a more nuetral pronoun. The answer was directed not to "you" but to any "believer". Usually when athiests talk about God, they are addressing believers. For obvious reasons, two athiests would never discuss God. Still, I apologise if I offended you.

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  by shobra on October 27th, 2007

• I wasn't offended, but I did misunderstand your intent. I appreciate the clarification. Thank you.

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  by Wolfen on October 29th, 2007

• As a person sitting in the middle between believing and non believing, I got to admit that I have often be criticized/judged or else by Christians who couldn't understand that I dared not believe in God and question his existance.

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  by vaindioux on March 26th, 2010

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• I agree with your last statement, Stewie. As to the first, I don't think I'll ever be able to understand "Why?". Why do some seem to feel that they are obligated to do this? I chose the words "an Atheist", because it was one particular Atheist that I had witnessed doing this in all Theist categories. Thank you for your input.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

• I hear ya. There's enough blame to go around on BOTH sides.

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  by Anonymous on November 6th, 2007

• Too True.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• You know, few people that have answered this question actually understood that I was speaking about one person and not generalizing an entire belief system. I appreciate your response and greatly appreciate your understanding. Thank you for both.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

• Glad it was helpful. Hope he/she isn't a butt about it for to long.

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  by holdmysuit on November 13th, 2007

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• I'm getting tired of asking for whoever downrated me to please explain themselves, so I can understand why. Seriously folks, why even bother?

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  by Penny The Wise on March 23rd, 2007

• Sorry, wouldn't happen-no back bone and besides then everybody would know who they were. It is something one has to learn to live with on AB. Besides cowards don't deserve attention!! <:))))<><My salvation and my honor depend on God; He is my mighty rock, my refuge.--Psalm 62:7
  
  

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  by sleeppro on March 27th, 2007

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• Excellent answer, Sir. I appreciate the response.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• Excellent answer, deb. Thank you.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• Hiya AR. Long time. Apparently I wasn't clear enough in my meaning when I asked this question, and things just got a bit out of hand. I apologize for it being so long before responding to your answer. In the question, I was referring to one Atheist in particular. At the time of this question, the person seemed to feel obligated to bash "believers" in all categories of Theism; primarily Christianity. I posed the question to him directly, but received no answer. It was a curiosity that I had about a specific person, that has unfortunately turned into another "us vs them" fiasco. Thanks for your participation.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• +3 points, to encourage people to simply admit when they don't know that answer.
  

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  by branciforte3241 on January 28th, 2007

• My thanks, also.

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  by Wolfen on November 6th, 2007

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• OK, why do you spend any of your time on something you don't believe in?

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  by tibear on November 3rd, 2010

• Maybe it's because I "believe" a few other things.
  
  For example:
  
  I believe that nobody knows the truth.
  I believe that holy rollers sometimes forget this.
  I believe I am free to debate this or not as I see fit.
  I believe that I am as entitled to be vocal about my non belief as they are about their belief.

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  by Pith-y on November 3rd, 2010

• So you have issue with the religious that proclaim their beliefs to non-believers however, you have no issue with your right to proclaim your non-belief with believers.......doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

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  by tibear on November 4th, 2010

• Strange it doesn't make sense to you since it is something YOU made up, lol.
  
  It would probably be clearer if you just read what I actually wrote.
  
  Where did I say I have a problem with believers proclaiming their belief?
  
  All I said was I reserve the same right.
  
  Don't take my word for it though, the transcript is right ^^ up there.

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  by Pith-y on November 4th, 2010

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• I agree Arisztid, it is an interesting topic. When I originally posted this question, I was trying to understand the actions of one individual in particular. This person had a tendency to berate, instead of debate. Clearly an Atheist, but always answering questions about religious beliefs with a "matter of fact" and "holier than thou" attitude.

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  by Wolfen on October 18th, 2009

• There are plenty of that sort on both sides of the believe issue. Both sorts are bloody annoying. :P

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  by Arisztid on October 18th, 2009

• I love arguing with believers. Their arguments usually result in comedic gold, that I can later relate to my friends, thus sharing a great laugh while we practice our heretical ways.

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  by Tawkingcrocodile on October 29th, 2009

• Obviously, like purposeless idiots, crocLOL!!!

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  by denidowi on November 16th, 2009

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• sure true and
  not spend our lives sinning
  and then confessing
  we just love humans

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  by sharpjwe on October 14th, 2009

• So why wouldn't you have said, after you previous opening:
  "And Those that don't believe have faith that He doesn't exist"

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  by denidowi on October 23rd, 2009

• There's no faith involved. I don't take it on faith that god doesn't exist. Tt's just that there is, and never will be, any evidence to the contrary.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 24th, 2009

• And no, and never will be, any evidence to the effect that He doesn't!!!!LOL
  So, in reality, BOTH depend on a belief - 'faith', if you willLOL! ;)

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  by denidowi on October 24th, 2009

• Not really. To draw that conclusion it grasping at straws in an attempt to bring faith based reasoning - conclusion with no evidence, in line with fact based reasoning - conclusion with evidence. The two will never be anything like each other.
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  There is as much evidence for the existence of the tooth fairy as there is god.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 25th, 2009

• But that could be equally said about non-beliefLOL!!!
  That's the whole joke!
  There is as much evidence for the existence of the tooth fairy as there is that there is NO God.
  You just don't have any evidence against GodLOL!!!!!!!
  
   
  So, the absolute Reality is that BOTH positions are based on an act of faith, of some kindLOLOL! ;)

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  by denidowi on October 25th, 2009

• What of all the other gods that have existed for every other religion that has arisen throughout the development of civilisation? Have we any evidence that they ever existed? Have they ever appeared?.
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  Whenever a god is described, like in the bible, you can disprove it. That bits easy. God is as real as the tooth fairy, or a unicorn. It exists in your head of you want it to, just don't be upset when you see no evidence of it anywhere else.
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  god isn't important enough to devote time and energy into disproving as fact. That will occur naturally over time as even less evidence presents itself.
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  It's an ever decreasing circle, the more miracles that aren't, the more amputees that aren't healed by prayer, etc. The more it becomes apparent we don't even need a god.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 25th, 2009

• Don't worry, Life, He will ensure, very shortly, in fact, that the whole world will need him Most DesperatelyLOL!!!!
  Just don't breathe too much before it all happens, you will run out of breath - not because of waiting, my Friend, but because of the sheer terror of it all!!!
  You will no doubt scoff and Laugh right now and forget what i have told you, but very soon it will all descend upon you like the entire world crashing down around your ears!
   
  Good Luck!!!

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  by denidowi on October 26th, 2009

• You believe in luck? I thought you believed in a god? That would make luck redundant. Or maybe you don't actually believe in a god but can't face up to a life of owning up to your own responsibilities?
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  Either way, this kind of doom laden scaremongering is typical religious wishful thinking. I'm not going to scoff and I'm certainly not laughing, in my job I get to see some pretty scary predictions for the future. None of which have to do with a god. Just man.
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  If the specific event doesn't occur on the specific day are you still going to remove yourself to a better place? Or do you wait for the next bus to heaven? You could be waiting some time.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 26th, 2009

• well i adk god to write
  the next verse
  if he dares

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  by sharpjwe on October 26th, 2009

• Not sure how your opening lines really apply there, 'Life' ... to what I was saying, but if you believe them, then who are we to argue??LOL
   
  ...And what is your job then, Lifeman??
   
  
  As for a Prediction day, I don't have one there, Boss - I'm not just a Crank or some Crackpot ... all I know is you have little time left. All I know is the UNBELIEVABLE PROBLEMS ARE ABOUT TO DESCEND within 10 to 15 years ... but that is being CONSERVATIVE ... it could easily begin within 5 to 10 ... but, certainly, by the 12th or 15th year from now, you will know all about itLOL!

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  by denidowi on October 27th, 2009

• What are these 'unbelievable' problems that are about to descend is some unspecified timespan?

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  by Life Not Faith on October 27th, 2009

• are any of you god ?
  denidowiiiiiiiiii and life without faith?
  i asked god to answer
  not his fake disiples

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  by sharpjwe on October 27th, 2009

• @sharpjwe... you'll be waiting a long, long time.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 27th, 2009

• No ... not too long, boys ... as I say, you should certainly know about it by the 15th year from now ... and possibly, even the 7th or 8th.
  The Lord promises, of these times, "I will make a man's life more precious than fine gold."
  Now ... I don't really know much abour "fine gold" ... but it all sounds pretty horrific to me!!!...
  And if you toss it together with most of the Book of Daniel, who saw quite some vision of these approaching times, he was ill for 3 weeks after he had seen that vision. I think he called it, "The Desolation of Abomination"!
  Certainly, I too, know it is going to be something outstandingly Horrific! It will make Hitler look like a candymanLOL!

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  by denidowi on October 28th, 2009

• I normally don't get involved in religeous questions, but since this is an answer, i'll make an acception. Ok. ALl through. Break it up or you'all will be "asscorted" to the nearest exist. ;D

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• Pweeze....;++

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• actually, i didn't even read this hole thing, i just saw denidowi in here and wanted to say HI denidowi. ;)
  hello :I

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• Why do i feel a Da'je'voo?
  ew

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• (chanting)
  I see walls
  I see walls

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• ugh ;+

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• So you've got nothing then. Thought as much. If you're using the tired old mantra of bible prophesy there's no point debating it. There are screeds of text debunking that tat.
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  I was hoping you'd actually have a clue as to what you are talking about.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 28th, 2009

• Sorry.
  But if you have a question about Strings?

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• No, Life not F, it is NOT from the Bible.
  TheBook of Daniel is, of course ... But most of my info is not coming from there.
  NO!
  So, as I say, not so many years down the road and it will "all hit the fan', as they say ... and you'll know ALL about it ... there won't be any mistaking it.
  
   
  Hi, CarBon products ... fancy meeting you hereLOL! ;)

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  by denidowi on October 28th, 2009

• Wow. love what you've done with the walls..new factume'?

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• So where is it coming from? Without any references or anything to back up such a bold claim you render it meaningless.
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  Are you talking about climate change and all the associated problems that will bring?
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  by Life Not Faith on October 28th, 2009

• yes pweeze. ;)

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• i just saw the light
  i am GOD
  but fuck you all i am not cumming

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  by sharpjwe on October 28th, 2009

• (singing) but I have donuts

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 28th, 2009

• i use the donuts as cock-rings
  before you have them
  ahahahahah

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  by sharpjwe on October 28th, 2009

• Carbon products, are you PsYcO or sumpin'?? LOL
  Are you keeping on the topic, or what?? ;)
  
   
  No, Life ... But i guess climate change will certainly 'contribute' Yes.
  
  Holy writ says 'All things shall be in commotion!!"
  But I have many sources for my Info, LifeLOL!
  Remember ... Hitler will appear as candyman, by comparison!

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  by denidowi on October 29th, 2009

• I don't even know waht the topic is.

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 29th, 2009

• cannyou repeat the question please
  about religion is makes no sense

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  by sharpjwe on October 29th, 2009

• Well, then CarbonProduct, welcome Aboard!LOL :)
  What's your thought for the day?

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  by denidowi on October 29th, 2009

• Hello, and welcome.
  My thought for today is,
  when in doubt
  don't scream and shout
  keep it to your person
  if you don't
  than chances won't
  get good
  they'll only
  worsen.
  :D
  i just made that up off the top of my nodding off noodle
  just now!
  oh, AND
  everything I say and do
  bounces off of me
  and back to you
  and pokes your eyes out
  WHAT?
  It's Halloween?
  didn't you see my new Halloween Name?
  Be very scared.
  Pweeze.
  I kill

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 29th, 2009

• winston churchill at a dinner party was commented by a woman guest, "mr churchill you are drunk!" to which he replied, "madam!in the morning I will be sober, but YOU wil STILL be ugly!"(true)

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  by strange1 still in pb on October 29th, 2009

• So it's all just a load of hocus pocus then. Nothing to be worried about unless you're in the shallow end of the gene pool. Holy writ means nothing to any except the desperate.
  .
  Jesus was the candy man, all sweet on the outside but he made you rot on the inside. And Hitler was a catholic. The cancer of your religion has blinded you to the reality of your life, enjoy your carbonproduct you are well suited.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 29th, 2009

• I want your avatar's head adorning. It makes for a shiney noodle topping indeed. ;)
  
  ANd Chill Factor my friend...Winston Churchill also was wise enough to keep a Parrot Companion. Unfortunatley, at Winstons Funeral, the beloved parrot was not allowed to attend. Seems he and Churchill built upp quite a cussing extravaganza when speaking with each other.
  So you see, good gene's or no, my jeans always look smokin hot under a big, bright, shiny >FULL MOON<
  and is else really important apart from that?
  I think not.
  Religeoun breeds Chowderheads. The ol'oly lot o'um...no mean? ;+

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 29th, 2009

• oh yeh i didnt think of it that way

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  by strange1 still in pb on October 29th, 2009

• Strange, I saw that joke about Winston Churchill only recently on here somewhere: Can you tell me where I saw it before?? :)
   
  No Life, I think you are headed just that way ... Give yourself 15 years - I say, IF it does all hit the fan much sooner, that isLOL!
  Good Luck!
  May I warn you, I have predicted correctly before ... with added inspiration from Above, of course. ;)
   
  CarBonProduct, you are indeed, a Floozy! [joshin'!] ;)
  You do have a talent there: why don't you write for music or songs?? :)

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  by denidowi on October 30th, 2009

• it is widely quoted

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  by strange1 still in pb on October 30th, 2009

• It was Winston Churchill to the Lady Astor. It's not a joke, it's an actual quote. "You sir, are drunk and uncouth" "That may be my good lady, but you are ugly and in the morning I will be sober".
  .
  @denidowi, I have nothing to fear about the future. It is as it is going to be. Life has gifted me with the tools to deal with change. And much change there will be, even in our lifetimes. I just don't feel the urge to make stuff up in order to make myself seem more important, your inspiration from above comes from your own mind. If you can lie to yourself so freely what chance does anybody else have of getting a straight answer from you.
  .
  Delusion is the only thing you're getting. You can fear the future you invent, that'll become your own personal hell. Enjoy the freedom while you can.

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  by Life Not Faith on October 30th, 2009

• good one on chruchill
  the same can be said of religions

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  by sharpjwe on October 30th, 2009

• good point

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  by strange1 still in pb on October 31st, 2009

• like the one on top of his cubical noodle? ;D

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on October 31st, 2009

• have i? im due for a remould

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  by strange1 still in pb on October 31st, 2009

• if you are free thinker it is fine
  if you are religious not easy

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  by sharpjwe on October 31st, 2009

• John, the road to becoming a champion in anything is not easy ... but, as you know, the rewards are well worth the sacrifice at the end :)

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  by denidowi on October 31st, 2009

• i live my life
  with the rewards of the smiles and love
  i see in the freinds around me

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  by sharpjwe on October 31st, 2009

• As I say, John, the reward level is equal to the effort and sacrifice made.
  Very little sacrifice = very little reward, by comparison to what could be.

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  by denidowi on November 1st, 2009

• theres an echo in here

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  by strange1 still in pb on November 1st, 2009

• It must be hollow thenLOL! ;)

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  by denidowi on November 1st, 2009

• yes but on human level
  nothing more

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  by sharpjwe on November 1st, 2009

• No John ... not this time.
  It's ALL far bigger than just you and me: you only have to look at the expanse of the cosmos to see thatLOL!

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  by denidowi on November 2nd, 2009

• so sweet denidowiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
  just you and i
  i farted and deny went ofer the cliff

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  by sharpjwe on November 2nd, 2009

• Yet u are still here, Yonny??!!LOL
  BTW, I'm not sure on purpose re your 2nd line, but if it is meant to be grammatical correction, it is wrong correctionLOL! ;)

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  by denidowi on November 3rd, 2009

• over

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  by sharpjwe on November 5th, 2009

• Where?
  Under Wear?
  HSAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHhahhahahhHAHHAHAH...>cough<......;+

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  by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on November 5th, 2009

• Over'n'OutLOL!

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  by denidowi on November 6th, 2009

• hey! im back in the sky yipeeeeeeee! thanks april the silent one:)

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  by strange1 still in pb on November 6th, 2009

• we still do not get the worrd of god
  dog it

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  by sharpjwe on November 7th, 2009

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• I wish I had more points to give this answer. 2 is hardly enough to express how strongly I agree.

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  by Tawkingcrocodile on October 12th, 2009

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• Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was referring to one in particular.

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  by Wolfen on December 23rd, 2008

• Ah. Didn't realize that. :-)

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  by Dr_Dredd on December 23rd, 2008

• No problem. Unfortunately, most of the others didn't realize it either...lol

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  by Wolfen on December 23rd, 2008

• I know! 188 answers and counting...

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  by Dr_Dredd on December 23rd, 2008

• lol. Oh well, my fault for not clarifying.

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  by Wolfen on December 23rd, 2008

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• good point.

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  by LynfromNM on May 25th, 2008

• Thanks!

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  by Adam Lloyd on May 25th, 2008

• Very good point indeed. Thank you for your response.

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  by Wolfen on May 26th, 2008

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• um wrong i thing there's a chance he MIGHT exist but thats it. my fellow atheist believe he doesn't exist at all you need better proof dude than just guesses.

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  by sanderpower on September 2nd, 2009

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• Thank you for your honesty!

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  by peterpam on November 22nd, 2007

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• Dying is better than blood transfusions. It is not child abuse. Witnesses teach that blood is not truth. Jehovah says not too and for many decades, they've obeyed.

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  by aneedtoknowgirl on November 4th, 2010

• aneedtoknowgirl: thank you for your comment. However, I don't understand how this refers to the question or to my answer. Please clarify.
  Common sense tells us that a blood transfusion is generally better than dying. The few people who say the opposite base this on their specific beliefs.

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  by iwnit on November 4th, 2010

• I meant Witnesses teach blood is not for drinking or pumping someone else's blood in you. Dying might scary but the best choice

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  by aneedtoknowgirl on November 4th, 2010

• aneedtoknowgirl: I understand what you say, I know about this JW teaching, but I still don't understand how it relates to the question or to my answer.

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  by iwnit on November 4th, 2010