Is there any reference in the Bible of the word Emmanuel (God is with us) actually being associated with Jesus in his lifetime, and is “God is with us” actually associated with Mohammed in the HQ?

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• TY and points for the first part which is spot on.
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  regaring the second part please see http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5554880

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  by borasalama on February 12th, 2009

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• Lie is too strong a word. The question didn't venture there, it simply asked for references to the word or phrase being used in association with either of the two prophets. There is an answer @ http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5554880
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  Anyway, TY and points for the posting.

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  by borasalama on February 12th, 2009

• It lies. The bible is full of them.

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  by The Devils Own on February 16th, 2009

• why not say errors or even defects. Highly qualified Christian scholars themselvs have written that "the King James Version HAS GRAVE DEFECTS"
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  to lie is to deliberately tell an untruth knowing it to be an untruth. That's a bit more serious. Would you care to quote and explain the three most serious lies.

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  by borasalama on February 16th, 2009

• When it says something that is untrue that is a lie. That's what we call it when people say things that aren't true. The most serious lie is there is a god.

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  by The Devils Own on February 17th, 2009

• Not a good example TDO. You can't prove that there is no God. You'll eliminate all Agnostics if you can. If you believe there is no God, then you do that on faith, you have to admit it. The HQ admits in HQ 2:4 that the the believers are believing in the unseen (unproven)

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  by borasalama on February 18th, 2009

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• TY and points but you haven't exactly answered the question.
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  Hyperion in his answer @ http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5550098 says "There are no instances in the New Testament where Jesus is referred to as Immanuel/Emmanuel either as a name or a descriptive title."
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  For an answer to the second part see http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5554880

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  by borasalama on March 14th, 2009

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• TY and points
  Agreed on first part
  good info and solid argument in your b, but it doesn't really answer second part of the question.

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  by borasalama on February 13th, 2009

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• TY and points for the posting but you didn't really answer either part of the question. Please see for an answer http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5554880

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  by borasalama on February 12th, 2009

• Lies in the bible have no importance?

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  by The Devils Own on February 12th, 2009

• I have no idea IS an answer. Please don't try to bait me into some silly debate. I'm not biting.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on February 12th, 2009

• Lies ANYWHERE can mislead US.

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  by borasalama on February 12th, 2009

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• TY and points for the detail but you didn't eactly answer the question.

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  by borasalama on February 12th, 2009

• Well, I think it answers your first question. I'm no expert on the Koran, so I answered what I could/should.

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  by Stormarm on February 12th, 2009

• TY and I appreciate your point. see what you make of the answer @ http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5554880

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  by borasalama on February 12th, 2009

• Thanks for the link, but it isn't exactly correct.
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  Matthew himself is making the association/appellation. Also, when the evangelists say at Jesus' baptism the Holy Spirit came and rested upon him, they're basically ascribing to him Messianic (and "Emmanuel") status. All the statements about the Spirit of God coming upon him in power anointing him to preach good news basically attest to the same thing, as do statements which to the effect of "God is surely with you". The Gospels are filled with statements about how God is somehow especially and even tangibly present in Christ and His ministry.

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  by Stormarm on February 12th, 2009

• This all ties in to the Hebrew theology of "The Presence". When John says "... and the Word became flesh and Tabernacled among us, and we beheld His Glory" he's building a direct connection between Jesus and the Glory & Presence of God dwelling in the Tabernacle in the midst of the camp of Israel. Now do the Gospels ever say that someone went up to Jesus and said, "Hey, Emmanuel!"? No. But that proves nothing and is even misleading.

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  by Stormarm on February 12th, 2009

• Stormarm, sorry if if you've taken offence, none was meabt. There was NO intention, either in the question or the answer to discuss the divinity or otherwise of Jesus. I have addressed that subject in many other questions and answers. Neither was there any attempt in the question or the answer to ascribe divinity to Mohammed, or any other created being, that would be blasphemy in Islam.
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  Both, the question and the answer. are pretty matter-of-fact. They simply require quotation of the verse(s) in which the word/phrase is directly asociated with each of the famous persons.

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  by borasalama on February 12th, 2009

• No offense was taken. I'm just a Biblical scholar who knows that all such questions require understanding of genre, Biblical idioms, and the nuances of Scripture, and consequently also carefully nuanced answers. By way of comparison, the US Constitution never uses the words: slave, slavery, African, or negro; but it would be a gross and manifest error to therefore claim that it never talks about slaves, slavery, or race. Similarly, while the Gospels never have anyone call Jesus "Emmanuel" to his face, all 4 Gospels are insistent throughout that God is uniquely and supremely present in/with/around/on Jesus, and that through Jesus, God is with them. The entire New Testament revolves around this one single point - that in the person of Jesus Christ, God has revealed Himself for the purpose of human salvation.

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  by Stormarm on February 13th, 2009

• You are insisting on bringing us back to the divinity of Jesus, the Christ. If his divinity was so central and so important it would be IMPOSSIBLE to see anything else from the scripture or history, otherwise both will have miserably failed in conveying that unambiguously. Here are some of the postings on the subject.
  
  http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1394389
  http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1268825
  http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1268937
  http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/3047194

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  by borasalama on February 13th, 2009

• I've said nothing here of the deity of Jesus. As I've pointed out the Jewish meaning of "God with us" - the idea that God was especially "present" in the life and ministry of Jesus - is NOT in of itself the same thing as saying that Jesus Himself IS God in any ontological sense.

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  by Stormarm on February 13th, 2009

• But since you insist on bringing it up, your statement that "if his divinity was so central [It is.] and so important [It is.] it would be impossible to see anything else ..." is simply absurd. Men have an infinite capacity for error and outright perversity. No amount of evidence, testimony, and logic can convince a man who simply will not be convinced. Whether Jesus is in fact (in some sense) God-incarnate is another question, but there can be no question that that was the absolute point of the Gospel authors and the other NT writers, and any attempt to argue otherwise is nothing but proof of the willful obstinacy and ignorance of the person arguing it.

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  by Stormarm on February 13th, 2009

• I have no problem with God being constantly in the minds of holy persons.
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  You say "any attempt to argue otherwise is nothing but proof of the willful obstinacy and ignorance of the person arguing it." Strange that, because that's the very thing those who do not see what you see will be saying to you.
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  Mind you, this is not a Muslim/Christian issue. In their wait for the Messiah the Jews were not expecting God. Also Christians like the Jehovah's Witnesses have, through their extensive scriptural studies and research, come to the same conclusion, that Jesus is not God.

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  by borasalama on February 13th, 2009