First, the Bible does not teach there is any place like limbo. In fact, There is not even a concept like limbo mentioned. Man has an immortal soul. Once God makes something, like us, it does not just fade away, nor does it sit anywhere and vegitate. Our bodies on Earth are a temporary home for us, and are not immortal, but our souls are. Where will yours go?
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Die once and then the judgement. Not die, wait a thousand years or so, then maybe I'll get to you, by the way wait here and do nothing in the meantime.
As for committing suicide, if you are a saved individual, then this will not get you sent to Hell. There will be a penalty at your judgement, but Jesus will not turn His back on you if you are truly His child.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
If you are not a child of God and commit suicide, then the same fate awaits you that awaited you if you lived 100 years.Without accepting God's wonderful free gift, you will go to Hell. There is no question about it, and no doubt that it will happen. The thing you need to do is accept that gift now, and get covered by His Holy blood. That is the only way to change your destination.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
For Glenn,
As for the verses in Ezekiel 18, I would point to this, John 10:28-29 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
No man includes yourself, and I do believe you will lose rewards (crowns to give back to Jesus) for what you have done, but not be damned.
As for verses in Ezekiel 33 and 18, these verses are talking about those who would live by the Law.We are no longer justified by works and the law, but by Grace through Faith.Through belief in Jesus and His Gospel we are given forgiveness for what we do, and ALL sins can be forgiven if you have Faith in Him. Believe that He will forgive you as He promises to.
As for James 2,These verses define the Faith which saves. Faith that does not produce good works is not saving Faith. The devil knows God exists, or has faith, but does nothing good, therefore his fate is sealed. The same could be said of the Pharasee in Luke 18. The Pharasee was praying for the praise of men, the publican for forgiveness. The Pharasee did not have Saving Faith, he wanted men to be impressed with his piety, where the publican asked God for mercy as a sinner. The Pharasee counted himself righteous, and the publican asked God to make him righteous.The publican did a good work as in saying the proper prayer in truth and humility, and showed Saving Faith. The Pharasee did not. In Jas 2:25 Rahab the harlot is said to be justified. Obviously a sinner, a harlot who told a lie to protect God's people. Consider the following which is cut and pasted from William Burkitt's commentary,
Learn hence, that the duties and services of believers, though blemished with many defects, do find acceptance with God, and shall not fail to be rewarded by him. Rahab's faith was seen in receiving the spies, her weakness and infirmity appeared in her lying; God pitied and pardoned the one, and accepted and rewarded the other.
I point to James 2:10 to sum up the answer to all of the questions you asked.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Suicide is no worse in God's eyes than any other sin, they are all sins and all worthy of death. God's Grace and your Saving Faith can get you forgiven for your error, but there will be a price for what you did. What that price is I cannot say, but I don't think that God will destroy you if you are truly His child. Possibly you could be a servant in Heaven and wash the feet of the Saints for all eternity, but better that than burning with unquenchable fire forever, but that is just a guess. That is why it is so important to evangelize, and get as many as possible into God's family. That is their only chance at life eternal. Out of sincere concern for souls and honest interest in spreading the Gospel, and Glorifying God, we do great works and prove our Saving Faith.
Thanks, Glenn for the challenge, and honest scriptural questions. Much better than the negative ratings and ignorance displayed by so many.
G tech: Thanks for the kind words, and I'm glad my answer was of service to you. I am sorry to hear about your father, I know , or knew a person who did much the same thing. He'd been saved for 50 years, but terminal cancer was eating him in a terrible way. He OD'd on his pain pills sitting on his couch, by eating a 3 month supply in a day. His adult son found him the next day, very sad. One more Bible verse for you:
Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.
Regardless of decisions either bad or good, if you are saved, you are one of God's Saints, Praise the Lord!
Glenn, I know, you think there is no salvation outside the Mormon Church. Why leave the comment then?
Comments
I like your answer but God doesn't judge. Actually, we will judge ourselves.
by Bull wears a COAT of many colours on November 25th, 2008
Thanks Bullfrog, but I really dont understand how this can be?
Certainly we are not wise/fair enough to make such judgements?
Could you please elaborate? Thanks.
by Michael on November 25th, 2008
When we die we go into God's presence. In the spirit world God is like the sun here in the physical realm. The closer to the sun you get the warmer. But, there, it is the love and if you haven't learned to love and accept love, it is painful. So, you move away. The more evil that you have been the further away until you are down in that ugly pit with all the gnashing and filth. I left a very in-depth response somewhere on ab that if you look through my q and a you should find that goes into an accurate description of the spirit and the spirit world.
by Bull wears a COAT of many colours on November 25th, 2008
once to death then to judgement - and those who consult the dead are an abomination to God.
How shall the pottery tell the pot maker how to wield it?
The heart is deceitful above all things?
"Proverbs 22
[24] Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:
[25] Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.
I consider the tool of the internet to be very 'angry' in a subtle arrogant pretense for it's reality.
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD OF GOD
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
Did you ever read what Jesus said to the Pharisees about looking all over the place in the scriptures to try and prove their point? And, beyond that, your selection just seems like a jumbled up mess. What is your point? What are you trying to say? Or, do you just like to quote scripture?
by Bull wears a COAT of many colours on January 23rd, 2009
God loves a cheerful prayer in secret he praises them.
Matthew 6
[4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
[5] And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
Don't do things to be seen of men do them because you Love God
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
Thou shalt not kill is one of the major ten commandments - being a martyr is totally different.
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
yet you see a lot of mischief and murder going on now a days you don't have to go far from your doorstep to see people suffer - I could almost gag to death to see a woman throwing away food in a bin when there are homeless people starving to death..
she didn't care about that she cared more about pleasing her sons and daughters on such a rediculous scale if they were mine I'd say shut up or starve - there are plenty of people starving who would have grabbed that food much less judged it - I've eaten things that didn't taste great but I was thankful to have them to eat.
Also matthew 4:4
and yes I have read what the pharisees did maybe not as thoroughly as I should I do admit I could read more
but do tell me what they said if you wish.
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
this much I do know from reading God is ever merciful and Jesus pointed this out - but he also pointed out we are to serve ONE master that is GOD
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
matthew 6
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
and perhaps you should read romans chapter 3 in particular it explains partially also the pottery as I said before
"Isaiah 29:16
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?"
"Romans 9:20:21
[20] Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
[21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
Jeremiah 17
[5] Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
[6] For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
[7] Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
[8] For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
[9] The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
[11] As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave the
by stoneheart on January 23rd, 2009
When words are many, sin is not absent.
by Michael on January 24th, 2009
judge not lest ye be judged?
by stoneheart on January 25th, 2009
(as stated in answer)
by Michael on January 26th, 2009