Is there any proof that Jesus was a real person?

Dr. Simon Greenleaf, former professor of law at Harvard University and once recognized by the Supreme Court to be perhaps the greatest authority on legal evidence who has ever lived, made a detailed examination of the evidence relating to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, quoted by L.A. Drummon and P.R. Baxter in the 1986 book How to Respond to a Skeptic. (Chicago: Moody Press, p 117.) He concluded that in any uinbiased courtroom in the world, the evidence would establish the fact that Jesus was resurrected from the dead. The documentary evidence has been examined independently by millions of people, each of whom had the opportunity to find mistakes if there were any. St. Luke, for example, turns out to be as meticulous a geographer and historian as anyone now living. Calling his Gospel "mythology" is like calling Caesar's Gallic Wars "legendary." Contempt prior to investigation is no way to determine the facts. Unlike some religious literature, the Bible is filled with specific names, dates, places. Fifty or sixty years ago it was commonplace to scorn these as legendary or inaccurate, but having such an attitude today requires one to ignore libraries full of research in history, archeology and linguistics. Which of course is your privilege; but the recently-published "Under the Influence" by Alvin Schmidt shows that virtually everything that makes the world today better than it was in Roman times stems directly from the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

None that would convince anyone other than someone who already "knows" the answer to the question of whether there was a historical person named Joshua ben Joseph of Nazareth (aka Jesus Christ). The simple fact is that no one will probably ever be able to prove that there was or was not a historical Jesus.

Some have pointed to widespread influence and belief in Christianity as evidence of a historical Jesus. But that�s like saying Santa Claus is an actual person because so many children believe in him. There was a time when most people alive believed the world was flat. Did that belief make the world in fact flat? To paraphrase Nietzsche, a casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

Many Christians accept the existence of a historical Jesus on faith. That is fine but it is worth remembering that �faith� is, by definition, belief in something which cannot be proven. Similarly, those who doubt the existence of a historical Jesus would do well to remember that it is impossible to prove a universal negative. A bumper sticker I saw summed it up humorously: �Militant Agnostic: I Don�t Know And You Don�t Either!�

I think everyone would be better served by leaving the question of the existence of a historical Jesus for each individual to decide and instead focus on the message of Jesus. The lessons of Aesop�s fables are no less valid because they are not descriptions of actual characters and documented events. The wisdom in the teachings of Jesus does not depend on corporeal existence.

I find it amazing that people believe in algore, but not Jesus. Unreal.

my friends and brothers. i am nobody important and probably a newer christian than most people answering this question.but i do have this to say to everyone. whether jesus was a real person or not can be answered in the most simplest way.first i would like to say that too many people take the bible and try to pick it apart. as a result of that there are many many... many opinions. what we are working with is a different view and interpretation of a handful of people in the bible that each saw things in their own way.but the important thing is that they each saw the same something. this should be proof enough of Jesus existance. if that isnt enough then His words and teachings which were completely unheard of in his time(and the fact that they have survived more than 2000 years in the hearts and minds of some of the nicest and most caring, honest, respectable, and trustworthy people that have lived since HIM) should do it as well. but if even after all this you still dont believe, then i urge you to try something. if you would take just half of the time that you spend looking for answers and just PRAY about it. ask JESUS Himself to reveal himself to you. Every day for one month, then you will see that not only did Jesus exist then but also exists NOW. and in turn you will finally know where us crazy christians get our faith, strength,love and compassion from. as i said, i am nobody important, but i know Hes real because He revealed Himself to me this way and i urge all of you to do the same. may the truth spread like wildfire. God bless you all.

There is plenty of evidence that Jesus was a real person both in and outside scripture, but since the bible is biased I will not talk about it here nor will I post all the proof there is since.......well im to lazy to do that. Evidence #1Thallus

Our initial witness makes a contribution of a unique sort inasmuch as he had no intention of making Christianity to appear genuine. To the contrary, Thallus, a Samaritan-born historian who lived and worked in Rome about A.D. 52, wrote to offset the supernatural element which accompanied the crucifixion. Though the writings of Thallus are lost to us, Julius Africanus, a Christian chronographer of the late second century, was familiar with them and quotes from them. In a comment on the darkness that fell upon the land during the crucifixion (Mark 15:33), Africanus says that "Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away this darkness as an eclipse of the sun."3 Africanus stated his objection to the report arguing that an eclipse of the sun cannot occur during the full moon, as was the case when Jesus died at Passover time. The force of the reference to Thallus is that the circumstances of Jesus' death were known and discussed in the Imperial City as early as the middle of the first century. The fact of Jesus' crucifixion must have been fairly well known by that time, to the extent that unbelievers like Thallus thought it necessary to explain the matter of the darkness as a natural phenomenon. Will Durant observed that Thallus' "argument took the existence of Christ for granted."4 Neither Jesus nor the darkness at his death were ever denied as factual. Durant summed up the matter of Christ's historical existence for himself by saying that it never occured to the early opponents of Christianity to deny the existence of Jesus.5 Ironically, Thallus' efforts have been turned into the mainstream of historical proof for Jesus and for the reliability of Mark's account of the darkness at his death


#2. The Talmud

There are two separate books of writings dealing with Jewish law called the Talmud. The first of these is the Mishnah, which is the Jewish code of religious jurisprudence. It began to be compiled sometime after the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and was completed about A.D. 200. This great body of newly codified case law became the object of Jewish study from which grew a body of commentaries called Gemaras. Together, the Mishnah (the law book) and the Gemara (the commentary) are called the Talmud. Being Jewish, suffice it to say, all references to "Yeshu'a of Nazareth" in the Talmudic writings are unfriendly, but nevertheless sufficient in number to establish beyond doubt his historical reality.

#3 Josephus

The most important references to the historical Jesus from a Jewish source is from a former Jewish general turned historian by the name of Flavius Josephus. In his writings he tells us who he was, what he did, and his own evaluation of a historian. He wrote of many of the outstanding persons we read of in the New Testament: Pilate; Quirinius of Syria (during whose governorship Rome enrolled the Empire for taxation purposes); the Caesars; the Herods; the Pharisees and the Sadducees; Annas and
Caiaphas, who had Jesus crucified; Felix and Festus, under whose governorships the apostle Paul was arrested and before whom he spoke of Jesus; Jesus' brother, James; and John the Baptist.

well im out of time for now.

My original answer presumed motive, which was not the right way to go about answering it. Apologies for that.

There is of course the Bible itself, as well as some writings in Roman and Jewish history. In addition there were several writings by the immediate generation after the apostles, those raised and trained by the very men who were with Jesus.

That the Bible itself has stood for thousands of years is proof to some, perhaps not to all. But from the Old Testament to the New Testament, this book has been exonerated literally by billions of people over the past 3500 years. Perhaps that may count for credibility in its record of the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Humanity does not survive by bread alone. Life requires other things, and Faith and Love are amongst them. For many, perhaps for all, they are the only really important things we have. It takes faith and faith alone to know that Jesus is real.

Without evidence it cannot be proven. The original gospels were written in Greek which means they could not have been written by disciples or early Christians. Basically there is no proof.

If Jesus lived, he must have been born. When was he born? Matthew says he was born when Herod was King of Judea. Luke says he was born when Cyrenius was Governor of Syria. He could not have been born during the administration of these tow rulers for Herod died in the year 4 B.C., and Cyrenius, who, in Roman history is Quirinius, did not become Governor of Syria until ten years later. Herod and Quirinius are separated by the whole reign of Archelaus, Herod's son. Between Matthew and Luke, there is, therefore, a contradiction of at least ten years, as to the time of Christ's birth. The fact is that the early Christians had absolutely no knowledge as to when Christ was born. The Encyclopaedia Britannica says: "Christians count one hundred and thirty-three contrary opinions of different authorities concerning the year the Messiah appeared on earth." Think of it -- one hundred and thirty-three different years, each one of which is held to be the year in which Christ came into the world. What magnificent certainty!

Edit - generalhavok - that's quite a name you use here!
Koine GreekCommon, everyday Greek used by the inhabitants of the Roman Empire and in the writing of New Testament.As opposed to Classical Greek and Modern Greek.

Im going to write my own book full of contradictions and call it the Booble.And we can use it to prove itself right. Its great I can claim anything I want in it and say" Gods ways are higher than ours" if physical evidence is nonexistent.And if no one believes me i will say its because they lack "faith". I will include crazy stuff in the first half ..you know killing people for tying knots on sunday,making a fire, things like that.then I can always say to those who dont believe that We have a NEW testament from me...Now you can ignore the old stuff because those rules dont apply now we are so much more advanced than those superstitious idiots. i dont want burnt offerings now just send cash.But wait I already said in the first half that my words are ETERNAL thats right...you know what nevermind I dont think anyone would buy it anyway it is kind of unbelieveable.

Is there any proof he wasn't?

Here's my proof in one word....

ISRAEL :-)

Oh, come now. Just because you're an average American, you think people can only understand one language? The average African speaks several. Half of Europe was recently reported to be bilingual. (All Ukrainians, for example, can also understand Russian.) Greek was the commercial interlingua of the Mediterranean after the conquests of Alexander the Great, and everyone except the most isolated peasants could communicate in it. Matthew worked for the Roman government, which conducted business in the provinces in Greek. Paul was a citizen of the world and highly educated. Luke was a physician. Pilate spoke privately with Jesus, obviously in Greek. The sign on the Cross was written in Greek as well as Latin and Aramaic so everyone could read it. Why venture an opinion when you don't have any facts to base it on?

I feel the question about whether or not Christ existed as a person of flesh and blood is not very important compared to one about whether or not He was actually the son of God or the Messiah refered to in the Old Testament. Considering the degree to which the western world has been influenced by one or more of the interpretations of Christ's teachings, it seems an excessive amount of time and energy to base on one whom lacked at least corporeal existence. We may not have bones to verify that He was real but we certainly have the impact or echo of what He believed and preached. Whether or not it is true or he was divine seems the more pertinent question.

The ignominious execution of Jesus as a contemptible criminal provides “the most convincing argument against opponents of the historicity of Jesus,” states Trilling. Why? Because the execution “encumbered, even hindered, the dispersion of the new faith among Jews and non-Jews.” (Compare 1 Corinthians 1:23) If the execution of Jesus the Messiah was such an effrontery to both Jews and Gentiles, it hardly would have been an invention of the apostles! Furthermore, Jesus’ death is attested to as an historical event not only by the four Gospels but also by the Roman writer Tacitus and by the Jewish Talmud.”

Other events during Jesus’ life are also viewed as internal evidence of the credibility of the Gospels, hence of what they tell us about him. For example, would the followers of Jesus have fabricated his coming from Nazareth, a place seemingly out of favor? Or is it likely that they would have invented his betrayal by Judas, a trusted companion?

Does it seem realistic to think that they would have made up a story about Jesus’ being abandoned by the rest of the disciples in such a cowardly manner? It is surely illogical that the disciples would have constructed particulars so detrimental in nature and then proclaimed them far and wide!

In addition, the art of teaching employed by Jesus was characterized by a unique style. Jewish literature of the first century contains nothing comparable to his illustrations. Which anonymous person could ever have “invented” such a masterpiece as the Sermon on the Mount? These arguments all tend to corroborate the trustworthiness of the Gospels as reports of Jesus’ life.

There is also external evidence for the historicity of Jesus. The four Gospels portray him against a specific, accurately detailed, historical background. Places, such as Bethlehem and Galilee; prominent individuals and groups, such as Pontius Pilate and the Pharisees; as well as Jewish customs and other peculiarities were not simply concocted. They formed part of the structure of life in the first century, and they have been confirmed by non-biblical sources and by archaeological findings.

There is, thus, convincing evidence, both internal and external, that Jesus is a historical person.

You may find this surprising, but there are many people in the world today who actually think that Jesus is nothing more than a fantasy figure that various secret societies created 2,000 years ago. Allegedly, His name belongs in the same fictional writings that contain such fairy-tale characters as Peter Pan, Hercules, and Snow White and the seven dwarfs. Gerald Massey, in his book, Gnostic and Historic Christianity, has “informed” us that “[w]hether considered as the God made human, or as man made divine, this character [Jesus—EL] never existed as a person” (1985, p. 22). Skeptics like Massey, Acharya (1999), and others believe that Christians have been deceived into thinking that there really was a man named Jesus, when, in fact, He never lived.

How do those of us who believe in the historicity of Jesus Christ respond to such allegations? Can we really know that there was a sinless, miracle-working, death-defying man named Jesus who lived upon the Earth approximately 2,000 years ago, or have we accepted His existence blindly?

Even though the New Testament proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jesus actually lived, it is by no means the only historical evidence available. Around the year A.D. 94, a Jewish historian by the name of Josephus mentioned Jesus’ name twice in his book, Antiquities of the Jews. In section 18 of that work, Josephus wrote: “And there arose about this time Jesus, a wise man, if indeed we should call him a man; for he was a doer of marvelous deeds, a teacher of men who receive the truth with pleasure” (emp. added). Then, in section 20, Josephus documented how a man named Ananus brought before the Sanhedrin “a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others” (emp. added).

About 20 years later, Tacitus, a Roman historian, wrote a book surveying the history of Rome. In it he described how Nero (the Roman emperor) “punished with every refinement the notoriously depraved Christians (as they were popularly called).” He went on to write that “their originator, Christ, had been executed in Tiberius’ reign by the governor of Judea, Pontius Pilatus” (Annals 15:44, emp. added). Even though Tacitus, Josephus, and other historians from the first and second centuries A.D. were not followers of Christ, they did have something to say about Him—and they even verified that Jesus was a real person Who was so famous that He even attracted the attention of the Roman emperor himself!

Another obvious reason to believe that Jesus was a real person is because our entire dating method is based upon His existence. The letters “B.C.” stand for “before Christ,” and the letters “A.D.” (standing for Anno Domini) mean “in the year of the Lord.” So when a history teacher speaks of Alexander the Great ruling much of the world in 330 B.C., he or she is admitting that Alexander lived about 330 years before Jesus was born.

Even though this is only a sampling of the evidence relating to the man known as Jesus, it is enough to prove that He was a real person, and not just some imaginary character. We do not accept His existence blindly—it is a historical fact!

I could quote Tacitus, Josephus, and others but that's already been done, and people express doubt anyway. One could examine the Bible like any other historical document. Empirical evidence after all can't apply to historical people or events since we can't recreate the circumstances. To disqualify everything historical means much of what we consider science that was gathered from historical documents and people is no longer applicable, and science as we know it ceases to exist.

That's why science allows for 3 kinds of proofs for historical documents like the Bible, bibliographical evidence, internal evidence, and external evidence. Josh McDowell speaks of them in More Then A Carpenter, to see further elaboration on how these proofs apply to the Bible, see:

http://www.answerbag.com/a_view.php/41670

Sir William Ramsay, one of the greatest historians in history, spoke of Luke the Gospel writer as one of the foremost historians in history due to his scrupulous attention to detail which has resulted in incredible archeological finds.

To see some of the archeological backing for the Bible, you can go to:

http://Christiananswers.net/archeology

And then of course there is the evidence that Napoleon found persuasive:

"Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne and I myself have founded great empires; but upon what did these creations of our genius depend? Upon force. Jesus alone founded His empire upon love, and to this very day millions will die for Him.... I think I understand something of human nature; and I tell you, all these were men, and I am a man: none else is like Him; Jesus Christ was more than man.... I have inspired multitudes with such an enthusiastic devotion that they would have died for me.... but to do this it was necessary that I should be visibly present with the electric influence of my looks, my words, of my voice. When I saw men and spoke to them, I lighted up the flame of self-devotion in their hearts.... Christ alone has succeeded in so raising the mind of man toward the unseen, that it becomes insensible to the barriers of time and space. Across a chasm of eighteen hundred years, Jesus Christ makes a demand which is beyond all others to satisfy; He asks for that which a philosopher may seek in vain at the hands of his friends, or a father of his children, or a bride of her spouse, or a man of his brother. He asks for the human heart; He will have it entirely to Himself. He demands it unconditionally; and forthwith His demand is granted. Wonderful! In defiance of time and space, the soul of man, with all its powers and faculties, becomes an annexation to the empire of Christ. All who sincerely believe in Him, experience that remarkable, supernatural love toward Him. This phenomenon is unaccountable; it is altogether beyond the scope of man's creative powers. Time, the great destroyer, is powerless to extinguish this sacred flame; time can neither exhaust its strength nor put a limit to its range. This is it, which strikes me most; I have often thought of it. This is which proves to me quite convincingly the Divinity of Jesus Christ."

- Napoleon Bonaparte

Here's what my philosophy professor says:

Jesus was a "person of flesh and blood" - there is not much controversy about that (no more than about anyone who lived in the 1st century).
Christ is a matter of faith and tradition. "Jesus Christ" is not a first name last name construction. Jesus is fact; Christ is faith.

The Christian tradition establishing the fully man, fully God reading came about in the fourth centruy because of a split between Gnostics (spirit) and Incarnationists (man/god).

The four canonical gospels represent the same tension. Mark's Jesus is very human. John's is a spirit, the Logos of Greek philosophy.

--Dr. Robert D. Lane

Look in the bible theirs lots of proof. He kind of made us you know.

Besides the Holy Bible ,, You can always call up JESUS and ask HIM for your self,,call up is just talk to HIM as though you'll talking to someone else, but do it with REVERANCE,,,Because HE IS A GREAT KING . but if you don't try it any way . Some people do , and some don't but HE"S still real,,, just pray and ask JESUS to show you,, or ask HIm something that noone else know,, now remember this JESUS uses people, dreams , yourself..BUT GOD IS REAL...Another way you can try HIM and the best way to try HIM,,is since You're wondering is HE real ,that means you hadn't accepted HIM and is not saved for hell. SO I advise you to say this prayer--Dear JESUS or JESUS, I"VE heard so many things about you ,and so many reading about You, and I have doubt, but if you are real like people say you are Please come into my life and save my soul because I don't know ,help me to believe in you and not lies and forgive me for all my wrong. then tell Him thanks. Then watch HIM,, HE Will Begin SHowing you.. that HE IS TRULLLLY REAL!! because I tried him.

p.s. please note now when people see the president whether they like him or not, they still reverance him

http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php

There is no hardcore evidence for the existence of the man 'Jesus Christ'. first off, the gospels(mat, mark, luke, john) we do not know, who acctually wrote them, not to mention they werent wrote till after Paul, had his miraculous visions(which he was known to have considering he was a druggie) and he did not acctually see christ, he only saw a bright light & heard a voice!! Second there is only 4 known historical documents we have to prove his existence. The first three contain all but a few sentences, and they only mention cristo's which is not a name but a title it means 'anointed one' and there were Many people at the time of jesus who were reffered to as the anointed one(take Apollonius of Tyana!) so those cannot be taken as acctual evidence. The fourth one(and this makes me laugh whenever its brought up) was claimed to have been written by a man named Josephus, and that document has been proven to of been a forgery for centuries, it was written by a roman christian & forged to look like Josephus(who was not a christian) wrote it!! Now the interesting thing is that in the area and around the time of jesus, there were many people who we have historical documents from, now there is not one mention of the man jesus christ in any of them! For someone to have performed miracles, raised the dead, and was ressurected its a little strange that we do not have any mention of him, which leads me to decide he did not acctually exist, he is just another myth, that was created into a religion just like all the rest!!
(I recommend you seeing "The Rivals of Jesus" national geographic, you can find it on google video. Its a very interesting documentary, even if a little biased, its still pretty good!)

Actually no. Here's a site on it:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

No. There is some self serving hearsay - and that is it.
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I know I'll get DR'd for saying the obvious but Christianity depends on faith - there is no evidence other historical or scientific that one single lick of it's true.
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I recomend to watch the movie called Zeitgeist, enter their website its free and uploaded on the internet. A huge amount of historians from that period that never even mention Jesus, also Josephus is not a cofiable source make some research. Also tacitus and the other two historians that are mentioned as proofs never wrote the word jesus, thay anly referd to the christ and do not spend to much time speaking about him, so not much relevance. Not even the famous Plutarch writes about Jesus.
If you want to be factual do not confuse religion, base on faith, to science, base on logics and proofs. Religion is not wrong but it is just not based on this things, in can be a useful element to build principles and all that stuff.
Personally i think there is a moment in our maduration that we must reach by our own means what is the right or wrong, by reasoning, expereience, deduction, common sense or whatever. This way you have the absolute confidence and believe in yourself, also you act by the principles forged by living your life.
sorry for my grammar and language mistakes, english is my second spoken language.

none what so ever

I DONT KNOW IF HE IS WHAT DO U THINK?

I think he was a real man and a great prophet. Like many before and many after him. That's it.

98% of the people in the world who practice any type religion do so in the religion of their birth parents.

knowing this..I "as a 44 year old christian" and after much research...I am now an AGNostic...I hope there is a GOD and Jesus...I don;t know about GOD>..but it is doubtful to me that JESUS ever even existed...

ANyONE going around healing the blind and ressurecting the dead would surely be written about at the time.

SOmeone here simply show me one document written when Christ actually lived..just one....anything...of course ..even the Gospels were written 70-140 years after JESUS death......and there were some 75 gospels written out there at that time...only 4 made it into the bible>..AND THE 4 that did have little or nothing to say of the life of Jesus ..just his last year or so...what happened to years 20- 30?

I;m quite skeptical...

Im listening....

Yes, there is. Think about it.

The same TYPE of proof that has proven that George Washington was a real person.

Drawn pictures, multiple eyewitness accounts, tons of Historical books written about each of them........

"Well", you say, "we have documents signed by George Washington Himself !"

"Well", I say to you that you have Jesus signature all over you !

You have a conscience that he gave you. You know when you've done something that you shouldn't have.

Man has something UNIQUE that Christ gave to him that no other living animal on earth has...........God Conciousness !

The ability to know that the True and Living God exists.

Jesus was a real person and he really did die an earthly death and rise again. The Aztecs recorded things about the "Man From the East." Historians have said that this man predicted a time when Jesus would come back, in the 1800's, and that particular period of time is called the Second Great Awakening. Jesus came back in spirit. Many Christian historians beleive that He was the "Man From the East." And I do too. Santa Claus' real name is Nicholas Clause. He made presents to give to the children in the villages near him whose family couldn't afford to buy or make them themselves. The authorities didn't like him because they had enough money to make or buy presents, and, after years of free Christmas' for the poor children, they arrested him and put him to death. We have just carried on his tradition and shared it with everybody.

I do not think so. Even theists today believe that he is a fictitious character.

Read the book by Josh Mcdowell "Evidence that demands a verdict" and then come back and tell me.

why are we only thinking about jesus when GOD is everything. its a shame that the bible isn't sure and doesn't have enough proof about jesus. that i don't understand, like the shooting at vt this week. if they knew someone got shoot at 7;15 am then how come no one knew what to do at that time. meaning there is reason and action with decisions you make. i'm not sure with those actions as well as the bible's. let's not wait to hope but do what god would do. love and care for all humankind.p.s if muslims and christians make up most of the worlds religion? why do we still have racism, killing and power struggles. one love is the true god. ask this question religion? if you counldn't hear, see, and talk. how would you know about god. my answer is that its in you and you are god like that created you. so you have the powers already.

Yes, there is.
did you know that books other than the bible have actuly talked about a healer named "Jesus"
Not only that but there has also been ancient paintings drawn of jesus.

This is a bit of a twist on the question, but if Jesus really existed, why is he so non-existent in todays world. This makes a very strong argument for his non-existence because we have never seen him. In my opinion, I think that if Jesus really existed and wants us to follow him, he should make himself known much more than he has in the past because he makes it much harder for everyone to believe in him. No one in our lifetime has seen him, or may never see him. But we would have a much more perfect world if Jesus existed and make himself known so EVERYONE can believe in him. I have been a strong believer of Christ for most of my life, but the more I see and learn, the harder it is to stay a follower and believe that he really existed because it seems that he is so no existent today.

Yes, Jesus was for real.

"Who is Jesus Christ"... a son of God, Almighty God himself manifest in human form or an incarnate of Lord Krishna?

Your statement that Christians believe Jesus Christ was God Almighty manifest in human form is wrong. Christians simply treat Jesus Christ as son of God and not God Almighty himself or a manifestation of God Almighty in human form. They are absolutely clear about this facet of Jesus Christ. No ambiguities please!

It is a different matter that in terming Jesus Christ as son of God Christianity negates the existence of Jesus Christ himself. God Almighty is pure energy. It does not have a form. The question of God Almighty having a son does not and cannot arise.


God Almighty never manifests. God Almighty has ever been a Dhrista onlooker. It never interferes with the creation of his. Neither ever! God Almighty also does not have a form. We cannot see God Almighty but his presence can always be felt like the smell of a flower.

Then who was Jesus Christ. As had been made clear above Jesus Christ was not a son of God. Then who was he? Jesus Christ came around 1500 years after Lord Krishna. He also came about 500 years after advent of Mahavira (the last and 24th Tirthankara of Jainism) and about 423 years after Gautama Buddha. More here- http://www.vijaykumar.com/who_is_jesus_christ.html

o come on theres no evidance what so ever to say jesus was a real person. everything writen about him was writen well after he soposedly died something like 60 years by josephus, and the 4 gosples forget about it! the bible says; the gosple acording to mark,luke,john,matt. not written by mark,luke,john,matt clearly stating that some one else wrote the gosples. why did'nt any one who lived in jesus time write some thing down about jesus? not one person that met jesus wrote about him why? cus he never existed! and please don't say hey theres proof of jesus and refer to some historian that was born after jesus died. I would like every one to watch-the truth about the jesus myth on youtube it will open your eyes.

I would say yes and no. I would presume that thousands of people over the world are named Jesus, so in that sense, Jesus was alive and still is. As to Jesus Christ being the son of god, I don't believe. If so called there is a god whom created us humans, then surely, he is not a loving god, but more of a devil god, as we all suffer pain many times on earth.

"...the ancients never believed that their Gods were real historical figures..."

That is false.... Genealogically they were real people, literally... Whether they were the same species is left up to debate.

If you go back far enough to ancient Sumor you'll find a Royal family related with the Anunnaki. many have called these familiar relatives 'Gods'... But if you study enough you realize that these supposed 'Pantheons' while names change through out history, culture and civilization they are more than related and even the same people. These so-called 'Gods' were literal and real people who once lived and were lifted up and deified. Interesting fact about all this is that these self deified 'Gods' also acknowledged an unseen 'Creator' God whom they sought ti find.

In India you can trace back Genealogy more than 35,000 years all on stone tablets. With in the family trees you'll find one family that practiced a private non-joining religion/cult that is identical to Christianity. This cult is one the most ancient on Earth and is described as the 'Nameless' cult.

Tablet after tablet and stale after stale connect the dots and what we have translated so far is that the Anunnaki enslaved 'Humans' to work manual labor jobs. The Anunnaki were jealous of Human beings because we possessed a spark of divinity they could never possess.... Genetically speaking.

'Enki' was a type of first 'Messiah' being hung on a tree, whipped, and even given a crown of thorns.

The Star that shined over Bethlehem was actually an astrological and astronomical event that happened seven times in the year 7 B.C.

This event was record by early astronomers:

In 7 BC the planets Jupiter and Saturn performed a "celestial dance" in the constellation of Pisces. In May Jupiter, as viewed from Earth, passed Saturn. In October the Earth's motion made both planets seem to approach each other. In December the planets met again. The German astronomers Johann Kepler (1571-1630) and Christian Idele (19th century) considered these events the Star of Bethlehem.

While this can be said to be only a theory it would be considered very sacred for an event to happen multiple times in one year.

As for the name 'Jesus' it didn't exist then and an 'E' or 'A' at the end of name or title were called letters of declension and denoted (E) masculine or (A) feminine aspects. Before there was a 'J' it was a 'Y' So Jesus would be Yesus... But the 'S' would be phonetically incorrect and did not exist on the name at all. Some Scholars and Rabbinical sources describe his name as 'Yashua' but again that would denote a feminine form there-by making Yashu'A'(Ahh) a female name. The more correct would be Yashu'E'(Ehh) but that was not the name either because it was never used that way. 'SH' sound did not exist either in the Hebrew or the Aramaic although it was used as a 'code' between the Hebrew tribes during wartime to identify themselves as allies. Finally the correct name would then be rendered 'Yesu' but this too would be a vague way to identify someone... Becasue it was merely a Title not an actual birth name. So, Jesus/Yesu would not be identified by family or relatives by that title at all. Especially, because the genealogy of Yesu would have been kept secret so as to not identify his real family or relatives. Of which have been encoded in the Gospel... In order to be called and 'Apostle' you had to be blood related... Family. Otherwise you could only be a disciple. This is why there was schism between the 'Circumcision' and Pauline Christians. Paul claimed to be a Apostle there-by claiming to be a literal blood relation to Jesus/Yesu. He later dropped the need for this being questioned and unaccepted by the James, the temple and the Asiatic Churches. Paul could not prove this Genealogically so he denounced the need for Genealogy and even compared to 'Idle Speech' being called 'Wives Tales, ...of which there is no end..."

He had enough followers that likened him to be an Apostle and with his New and Improved Jesus he did not need the support of James, the circumcision, the actual Apostles, the Temple or the Asiatic churches. He just created his own...

There is Roman record that Tiberius's uncle the 'Augustus' Caesar sent orders not to crucify 'The King of the Judeans' (Jesus/Yesu)- (Not the King of the 'Jews' as falsely taught) although these orders were either ignored and/or did not make in time. It would seem odd for a 'Stepping-down' Caesar to send an order not to crucify a fictitious person or Myth..?

It is true there were many 'Sun' Gods.... The Catholic church is only an extenstion of the Temple priest of Ra or Re in Egypt. Jesus/Yesu was not a 'Sun' god nor did he practise solar deification nor did he use the Solar clander... He used the lunar calander and Jesus/Yesu traditionally prayed at Night... Pay attention to when the text specifies that Jesus/Yesu prays to the father.

The Gospel of John tells who Jesus/Yesu is and who we are. In the Beginnig the 'Word' was with God and was God. This is the exact reason why the Anunnaki hated Huma-beings... We are the manifestation of God... Literally. 'Word', 'Seed', 'Sperm' are all interchangeable because they are the same thing. Even now I could say, "In the beginnig the DNA was with God and was God". The 'Lambs' book of Life is a book of the Genealogy of God.

You cannot come to Jesus/Yesu unless drawn by the Holy Spirit under the authority of the Most High God. When Jesus/Yesu prays for us to the Father... "As I and the father am 'One'... You and I are 'One'..." If you are drawn to Jesus/Yesu through the agency of the 'Holy Spirit' it safe to say you have the DNA of God in you blood... You too are a Son or Daughter of the Most High God.

We are all Messiah, if we are indeed bretheren. The trick is the term 'Shed' blood... Never did scribes use the term 'Shed' blood to describe blood letting from a wound but it was alwasy used to describe a womens menstral cycle, the blood being truly 'shed' from a womans body. God is a Spirit and we too are Spirits if we are indeed 'One' with the Most High God. The Tree of Knowledge of good and Evil has confused us all from the true objective and purpose of our creation... We spend too much time trusting in 'mankind' rather than God.

You say you cannot prove Jesus existed... You cannot even prove anyone existed in history all Books being subject to fraud. You say, 'Scentificly' Jesus/Yesu could not have existed when if you applied the Scientific method to yourself, you cannot even prove anyone elsee exists outside of your own perception and for that matter you cannot even prove with evidence that you even exist to yourself becasue you cannot prove your percetion to be true.

Its quandry this existence... If indeed we do exist at all... But I know that I exist if God is pressent with me. I was born 12-14 weeks early in Hawaii 1969 and back then they did not have a clue what to do with premie babies... except to put you in an incubator of which they did with me while they told my parents that all they could do is hope and pray. My dad could hold me in the palm of his hand... I did not walk until I was 2 years old. They did not not know how I would develope but I am healthy and alive.

God was with me when I was infant ih the hospital and so was another person who cursed god to me... It scared me and I can remeber what that man said to me, "You think they are going to love you? ... They aren't going to love you!"

Now I am infant in a hospital and this even frightened me severly and it was repeated multiple times. enough to leave an impression but... So was God.

You might say you cannot remember anything when you were an Infant... And I cannot prove it to you. I grew up being raised a Franciscan Catholic and talked to God on a regular basis, just like you would talk to your best friend. I know my parents were a little confused by me when they would catch me talking to God... But it's God. I did not hear voices in my head that isn't how God communicates with people most of the time. He has spken to me audibly but only when neccessary such as to save my life. Again you might say God didn't talk to you... And again I cannot prove it to you.

As I grew older, I grew distant with God and began to strike out on my own searching for knowledge... I delved into witchcraft and demonism... I enjoyed summoning other worldly beings to do things for me. It was easy at first things just happened for me not matter what it was that I wanted but when it began to swallow me up and the fun became torment, fear, anxiety and death... I wanted out. Each time I performed a summoning it required blood so that the Demon/ Anunnaki could manifest physically this became addiction for the demon/Anunnaki. They used me for my blood and then required the blood of others... It was simple I give my own blood and they used that to manifest and then in return I picked the victim... Finally after wanting out, I became the prey... Satan is real, his name in ancient Sumor was Enlil and he is not some demonic creature from Hell atleast not in the Catholic version but the devil(Anunnaki) is a literal species that feeds on mankind as food. He came to me and offered me chance to repent and come back to the fold... I denied him three times and he left pissed. He then stalked me for a couple years and during that time I continued to toy with witchcraft and demonism as dumb as that sounds. Surely, you might say demons don't exist or you just a nutt ball just as surelly as I cannot prove it to you.

Finally, my luck ran out and my past caught up to me. I was set up and one night I found myself surrounded by skinheads the leader looked possessed and in-human... I had become aware of the pressence of death and the devil... Oh if you want play your gonna pay. I was frightened and I knew I was gonna die so I preached the gospel to them so as to confess messiah before men so he would confess me before the father. Soon the 'Fear' left and I was no longer afraid of death, them or anything. Peace flooded me beyond measure although this did not quell the violent skindheads that were heckling me. As they screamed, "You don't deserve your white skin!" and "Nigger lover!" God encomapassed me round-about... The more God imbued his pressence the angrier the skinheads became until their leader finally pummeled my face with brass knuckles 30-40 times smashing my face into pieces.

I found myself in womb and I could hear a heartbeat... I was floating towards the Uterus and each time heart beat I could see fluid jutting out from the Uterus. The word Uterus has the same root as the word 'Utter' as in 'Too utter' or 'Utter a word'. In ancient scribal code 'to speak' or 'to voice' is what the 'Utter' means so the Uterus is the place of the Voice, the voice being the voice of God and Uterus is the Holy of Holies and the womb is the Tabernacle of God. When I came near to the Holy of Holies the Uterus, I heard a voice, the voice of God and he said to me, "You will not die!"

I suddenly found my self slumped back on a wall, I tilted my head forward while a girl was holding pressure on face with a towell...Bloodied, I looked across the room and the Skinhead leader was starring at me with a contorted facial exspression and grunted like an animal possessed. I starred into his eyes, while smiling at him and I said thank you. He freaked and ran out the door screaming like a crazed idiot.

I did not die but I did not breath for 25 minutes. God was with me through the entire event, he did not leave me nor forsake me... Even though I deserved what I brought on my self. I could tell you more but why should I, most of you might be saying this is all BS... And sure I cannot prove it to you becasue these are only words on a webpage but...

I hope that you will beleive just enough in God that you ask him to make himself known to you. I know that might sound cliche` but if you try and seek God he will make himself known... Jesus/Yesu is the 'First Born' of many bretheren... We are Sons of the living God... And the Anunnaki cannot have what we have becasue they do not possess a spirit.

History was written by winners not the losers, people possessed by the Anunnaki and while they beleive in God they do not have faith in God becasue 'Faith' is a Spiritaul Gift that takes root in your DNA if you are indeed One with the Word, One with God.

I dare you to ask God to make himself known to you... I dare you to be patient and open minded... What do you have to lose, Emptiness? Lonliness? Purposelessness? How about what you have to gain, Enlightenment? Purpose? Life? Peace? God? Love?

I dare you.

Jesus is a fictional character. following the word of the bible. you might as well be following mtv. baaaaaaaaaa

There are physical items have been purported to support the existence of a man corresponding to the figure of Jesus. Some of these objects like "The Jesus Box" (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/06/18/jesus.box/) have been dismissed as fakes, while others like "The Shroud of Turin" (http://www.shroud.com/) are surround by controversy and have not been proven to be either authentic or fraudulent.

No piece of physical evidence has been introduced that conclusively proves that the man known as Jesus Christ existed, although there is a fair amount of historical writing that suggests that he did. It should be noted that the question "Did Jesus exist?" and "Was Jesus the son of God?" are considered to be separate questions by many people.

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Jesus may have existed, but he didn't make much of an impression with historians. All the holy hoopla was created centuries after his death. He was a minor character during his lifetime. His reputation was created by others, long after the fact.

Just to be clear, it's one thing to accept that a traveling preacher named Jesus lived and died, but it's a great leap from that to claim that he was a god.

First, one must discount the Bible. It is not a historical document.

However, there is overwhelming historical proof that most holidays and concepts practiced by Christians have been adopted from pagan faiths. This includes Christmas, a Roman Saturn harvest festival that marked the winter solstice, and the rebirt of the "sun god". The 12 apostles, the 3 wise men, the last supper, and ascention to heaven are the story of Mithra, a Persian savior. Fact.

Mithra was sent by the Father God down to Earth to confirm his contract with Man.

Mithra was born of a Virgin through - Immaculate Conception - He was born of Anahita, an immaculate virgin mother.

Mithra was born in a stable - We celebrate his birth on December 25th -.


Mithra was visited by wise men bearing gifts.

Mithra had 12 disciples - He was called the Messiah

Mithra was also the god of Darius, conqueror of Babylon, He was called - - Messiah - - or Christos by Jews during their Captivity.


Mithra made a (Contract) or (Covenant) with Man confirming an older contract with God - The Persian word Mithra literally means - - Contract. - -


Mithra celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death.

Mithra died to atone for the sins of Man.

Mithra was resurrected on a Sunday.

Mithra ascended into Heaven to rejoin his Father.

Mithra will return to pass judgment on Man - He was known as the judger of souls -.

On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged by Mithra.


Mithra will send sinners to HELL.
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Mithra will send the faithful to HEAVEN.
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On judgment day there will be a final conflict between Good and Evil - The forces of Evil will be destroyed and the saved will live in paradise forever -.
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Mithra is part of a Holy Trinity the - (Father, Son, And Holy Spirit) -, that took human form.
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Mithra is depicted as having a halo, (a circular band of light around his head).
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Mithra followers drink wine and eat bread, which represent his blood and flesh.
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Mithra followers are baptized.

Jesus? Maybe... Maybe not...

BUT...

Look up Herod & several other Roman persons in Matthew, Mark, Luke & John & you MIGHT see if you bother to l0ok up in Roman Archeology that THEY WERE REAL PEOPLE mentioned in various ways in the SCripture... Also look up the various locations mentioned in the Bible you may be a believer...

so what if jesus was real....what seperates him from all of the other crazy people that say they are god? or gods son? sure, he affected enough ppl to get widely known, and his teachings have been practiced since the day he died, but did you ever stop to think that maybe he was just an honset good hearted man that wanted the best for everybody? all im saying is that if they're was a real god,and he really loved everybody and everthing. then why would he sit back and watch ppl suffer. the holocaust, WW1, WW2, veitnam, 9-11!. why would he let innocent ppl die? mothers, fathers, sons, daughters. the list goes on and on. he has power of saten, why doesn't he just kill him? then the question of fauth comes along..."just believe". it just doesnt make sense that a "spirit" came out of no where and created the world. where did the spirit come from? how was it created? it's funny to me how christains argue against the big bang theory. shouldn't the odds of the big bang occuring be just as much as there being a god? if you ask me, the possibility of there being a god sounds much more farfetched. the funny thing is that i believe in god, it's just everthing else (science wise) sounds much more....believable and true. evolution? it just makes perfect sense! bit who knows...all i can say right now(although i have doubts) i believe that jesus was a real person, and that he was and is gods son.

Has Dr. Greenleaf ever heard of a historical novel. There are plenty of existing novels in which fictitious central characters are imposed into real historical periods where real historical names and events are used. That does not make the character a real person. As for Josephus, his histories were written near the end of the first century b.c.e., and that would make his writings between 30 and 60 years after the so called fact. Outside of the Bible there is not a single witness to the magical exploits of Jesus that was writing at the time that they are supposed to have occurred. I find it hard to believe that if something happened and it happened in a time when people were able to record it in a text that there is not one contemporaneous record extant.

Jesus did exist, cuz Chuck Norris exists and he round-house kicked him in the face!

There's more "proof" of that than the claim that littlemissme is a real person.

In most, if not all, religions things are accepted upon faith and do not require proof as defined by society. Religion is spiritual..it is to guide and nurture the spirit of man which is supposed to be reflected in the thoughts and actions of the physical man. Of course, that is not always the case, since most people are much more concerned with the physical aspects of their lives rather than the spiritual aspects. And far too many times what is preached is not practiced, which makes it seem very hypocritical and shallow.

We have no "proof", no. Mind you, we have no "proof" of the existence of Julius Ceasar - just evidence.

We do have evidence though - in the writings mentioned mainly, as well as the numerous accounts of his life and so on that never made it to "the bible".

Personally I think, on balance, the evidence suggests there was a real Jesus character who was a charismatic preacher and healer around that time.

Whether the gospels have any real accuracy as to what he said and did is extremely debatable - they were written at least one lifetime after his death, giving 70 years for tales to be told and re-told until they were "true, I swear it!", changed around to suit the barrow someone was trying to push etc. etc. etc.