In the Book of Mormon it describes how God told Nephi to slay Laban. (1 NE 4: 1-38) Does that indicate that Murder, Robbery, Identity Theft and Kidnapping are acceptable to Mormons if they believe that God told them to do it?

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• Good point Glenn... the trick is identifying was is/is not from God AND what is/is not fiction.

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  by John Pacella on April 4th, 2007

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  by Kyogre-Stataen on April 4th, 2007

• You and I will probably never fully agree on that, but I would never kill someone in cold blood unless I was absolutely convinced of the justice of such an action. In the case of a situation as described in the case of Laban I would have to be absolutely convinced that God was indeed commanding me to kill said person.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 4th, 2007

• I did not attempt to state anything by my question other than what it says. I was not asking about common crimes, I was asking about whether a Mormon would commit such acts if they believed it to be the will of God that they do so. Again, I take yor answer to mean, and I must say much more clearly than Bob's answer, that the concise answer is Yes. +4

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  by science_geek on April 5th, 2007

• The point that you neither make a distinction over nor do you seem to care about is that just about any religious person will do any of these things if they truly believe that God commands them to do so. In writing this question you are trying to put the idea in other people's minds that our leaders would tell us to do these things and that we would then do them. The fact of the matter is that there is no credible evidence that the our leader have ever condoned or promoted any such actions. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that they would tell us to do so in the future. This question is very much along the same lines of my asking you if you have stopped hitting your wife and children. I have not evidence to think that you are an abusive husband and father, but by asking the question I would be putting the idea that you are in the minds of anybody else who might read it.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 6th, 2007

• What about the Meadow Mountain Massacre?

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  by science_geek on April 10th, 2007

• What about it? There is not evidence that the leaders of the Church knew that that was going to happen let alone ordered. Elsewhere you tried to use a reference to a lead plate that had allegedly been written by John D. Lee claiming that the leaders had ordered the attack. However, a very quick Google search on my part turned up articles from neutral sources stating that the experts who examined those plates have decided that they are forgeries. (If you are truly a scientist, then I would have to wonder if this is indicative of the quality of research that you do for your job?) So, aside from forgeries you have no evidence that the leader ever have or ever would order this kind of behavior.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 10th, 2007

• No, no hard evidence. You are right. But there is a significant difference between what is acceptable as historical evidence and what is acceptable as scientific evidence. There is a good deal of anecdotal evidence that Brigham Young ordered the massacre. Oh yes, Glenn, I notice that you are once again resorting to baseless ad hominim attack on me again. Just like you have ever done. You are a wonderful example of what the Mormon Church does for people. Keep up the shining example. What a wonderful, honest and truly peaceful man you are. Keep up the good work.

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  by science_geek on April 10th, 2007

• So, self righteous for someone who whole mode of operation is nothing but an ad homonym attack against and entire religion.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 10th, 2007

• Do you know what ad homonim means Glenn? It means attacking the person. (A homonym is a word that is spelled differently but sounds that same as another word, just so you know). Therefore is would not be possible to make an ad homonim attack on an organization. Now that I have finished laughing, I will get back to the point here, since you cannot seem to stick to it. Many people who are following this thread are interested in the comparison and contrast between Mormonism and Christianity in general. This particular point, which you are so adeptly dodging, is quite germane to that. Most sane Catholics in this day and age would be unlikely to kill another human at the behest of the Pope, and would rather be outraged at the request and declare publicly that it had occurred. The same is also true of most of the mainstream fragments of Christendom. Your Church is different. You have made oaths that all that you have even to your very life is subject to your church. That is where ...

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  by science_geek on April 10th, 2007

• ... the big difference is plain. The undeniable fact Glenn is that most sane covenanted Mormons would in fact kill at the request of the General Authorities of the LDS Church. You know the truth about this and you cannot deny it, and I know the truth too. I do not fault you, or the rest of the rank and file of the Mormon church, for this because you are all the victims of a very clever and devious con man and the subsequent people who have taken his place since the scam began. It will be a sad day when 12 million (I remember how exciting it was when it was 3 million)of you realize the reality of the situation. Time will tell. Remember that many Christian heresys lasted a lot longer than yours has so far!

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  by science_geek on April 10th, 2007

• What evidence do you have of that? If you want to compare the violent tendencies of religions, most other Christian faiths have much more violent histories than my does. THere are plenty of instances where various Christian leaders have told their people to go out and kill those of other faiths and they have done so. You cannot provide a single concrete example of our leaders EVER having done that and yet you keep going on trying to make it sound as if it is likely. You mentioned anecdotal evidence above. Given the right witnesses, you can find anecdotal evidence to support just about anything. This is especially true if the witnesses have an axe to grind against the accused.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 10th, 2007

• Science_geek wrote, "Your Church is different. You have made oaths that all that you have even to your very life is subject to your church. That is where the big difference is plain. The undeniable fact Glenn is that most sane covenanted Mormons would in fact kill at the request of the General Authorities of the LDS Church." Now, I would ask, where has he ever given any credible evidence to back up this accusation? He accuses me have trying to assassinate his character. However, here he is doing that against the entire membership of my church without a single shred of evidence to back up the accusation. Maybe you can't make an ad homonym attack against a group, but he is still trying to assassinate our character with a completely unfounded accusation.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 10th, 2007

• Ah, and if your really want to get technical about it, my comment on the sloppy nature of your research was not an ad hominem attack either. It was simply pointing out your unwillingness to investigate beyond what you want to see. Such an attitude is important in assessing any work that you might do. I did not say that you were a bad person therefore one can't trust anything that you say. I said that you do sloppy research. Therefore, you can't be trusted to give an accurate answer, at least on this topic and I stand by that. You only want to see the bad in us. So that is all you see.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 10th, 2007

• Note that as science_geek has use dthe term “anecdotal evidence&”, it means the same thing as “hearsay” and in most circumstances, is not accepted as evidence at all.  Not in a legal setting, not in a scientific setting, not in an academic setting.  Any true scientist would certainly know better than to even try to offer hearsay as evidence.

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  by Anonymous on April 10th, 2007

• Anecdotal evidence is what historians rely on. Tell me one fact about your beliefs that is not anecdotal. The testimony of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon is anecdotal. The story of the first vision is anecdotal. So therefore by your own statements then nothing in Mormonism is valid at all. Nice.

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  by science_geek on April 11th, 2007

• "The undeniable fact Glenn is that most sane covenanted Mormons would in fact kill at the request of the General Authorities of the LDS Church"
  Are you kidding me, most sane covenanted Mormons won't even knock on the door of five families who should be their friends once a month at the request of the General Authorities. (Don't believe me? Ask an Elders Quorum or Relief Society President sometime) I don't think they would kill for the General Authorities.
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  Now speaking personally, I would not kill at the request of Thomas S. Monson, I would however do anything that God had asked me to do. Though if God asked me to kill someone, I would feel entitled to recieve strong evidance that it was His will first (perhaps seeing an Angel as Nephi had not long before the assasination of Laban).

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  by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on December 3rd, 2009

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• This is a comprehensive analysis of the backstory, but where's the answer to the question at hand?

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  by Aristocles on April 4th, 2007

• It seems clear that Bob's answer is implicit: "no", the story doesn't create some justification for committing common crimes.

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  by Stableboy on April 4th, 2007

• I would add one more detail that my brother left out. Before attempting to purchase the plates, Nephi's oldest brother went to Laban and tried asking him nicely for the plates. Simply because he asked for the plates Laban accuses Nephi's bother of being a robber and tried to have him murdered. So, Laban was far from the innocent man that Science_geek is trying to make him out to be. So, no the Book of Mormon does not justify murdering and pillaging innocent people. Anybody who thinks that it does should look up the Gadianton robbers in the Book of Mormon and see how they are universally condemned for such behavior. The story of Laban is an exceptional instance in which God commanded the slaying of a very wicked man (which is God's right to do) in order to further His righteous purposes.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 4th, 2007

• Notice how instantly I was attacked for asking the question. If it were possible to have longer questions I would have been able to clarify the point. I was not insinuating that Mormonism accepts or encourages common crime or anything of the sort. My question was whether it would be acceptable for such acts to be committed by a Mormon if they believed that God had commanded them to do it. I take it from this answer that it is a Yes. +2

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  by science_geek on April 5th, 2007

• What other reaction did you expect, science_geek?, given your history here.  For months, you've been trying to make the case that Mormons are criminals; you've been going on and on about a “Mormon Mafia” that you claim is out to get you, and just a couple of weeks ago, at http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/537363 you made this statement about the Book of Mormon:  «“You can justify any behavior, including murder, if you follow all that it claims.”»  Why should any rational person, on reading this question, and knowing your history here, have supposed that your intent was anything other than to support these previous claims?

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  by Anonymous on April 5th, 2007

• I am systematically shedding light on darkness. You have yet to demonstrate that I have lied. You engage in ad hominim attacks, and you do not accept that there are other points of view about your church. I am a descendant of the Pioneers who spent 30 years of my life as a Mormon. I have felt the wrath of Mormonism when I left the Church. My experience is not singular. I believe that it is a very unhealthy belief system as do a large number of other people who have had close experiences with your ilk. Thank you for the answer, it very nicely dodges the truth, but silhouettes it nicely.

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  by science_geek on April 5th, 2007

• There are about twelve million of us Mormons around the world; the vast majority of us are quite well-adjusted, healthy, happy, and perceived as such by those who know us.  Out of so many, there will always be a few malcontents.  In many instances, where a person makes claims as you do, of having been harassed and persecuted by the church, it very often turns out to be the case that this is a person who has made some serious mistakes of his own, and ruined his own life, and rather than take responsibility for his own mistakes, has convinced himself that the church — or some other group — is responsible for his misfortunes.  c.f. Ed Decker.  Assuming that you're not flat-out lying about having ever been a member of the church (which I think is more likely the case based on your relentless ignorance and misunderstanding) I would bet that your story, science_geek, is similar to this.

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  by Anonymous on April 5th, 2007

• In that you are certainly mistaken.

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  by science_geek on April 5th, 2007

• I have know a number of people who have left the Church. The seem to fall into one of two categories. Those that simply leave the church and those that turn on the church. Those that simply leave usually maintain good relationships with the friends and family that remain in the Church. Those who turn on the Church usually wind up driving their friends and family who remain in the Church away from them. They keep attacking the Church and that makes those that stay not want to be around them. As these people become more isolated, they blame the Church for their isolation rather than their own behavior. The member no longer do business with them because they don't like being around someone that is so bitter and hateful, but it is the the Mormon mafia trying to destroy them rather than their own attitudes that are driving the customers away. In these people's minds, they did nothing to bring their own misfortunes on themselves, it is all other people persecuting them.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 5th, 2007

• science_geek: you say you spent 30 years in the church. Why? Weren't you free to leave as soon as you were an adult and no longer under your parent's supervision? If you stayed, you had reasons, yes? So isn't your attack on the church at least in part an attack on your own previous viewpoint? How about taking some responsibility for the science_geek who spent 12 years being tortured by the church and didn't leave? Simply lashing out like this -- especially with a transparent attack question which is obviously loaded -- does nothing to resolve your relationship with your SELF. Seems to me you still have quite a ways to go in that department before trying to save the innocent minds from the Mormon demons.

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  by Stableboy on April 5th, 2007

• @Glenn:  «“I have known a number of people who have left the Church. They seem to fall into one of two categories. Those that simply leave the church and those that turn on the church. … Those who turn on the Church usually wind up driving their friends and family who remain in the Church away from them. They keep attacking the Church and that makes those that stay not want to be around them.”»  I bet I know of a very specific person of whom you were thinking as you wrote this.  Is science_geek beginning to remind you of this other person?  I can't remember that he ever made the kind of bizarre misstatements regarding LDS beliefs and practices that science_geek has, but he certainly spent the last several years of his life blaming the church for problems that it was clear to anyone who knew this man that he had created for himself.

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  by Anonymous on April 6th, 2007

• Hint:  Original owner of the pickup truck that figured in this misadventure of yours:  http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/92345

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  by Anonymous on April 6th, 2007

• Stableboy: I was not free to leave the Church because of the deeply ingraing training I had been subjected to as a child. Just so you understand it was literally beaten into me by my step father, who was, and is, a very abusive man. He was also a local church leader, and is still a Temple Worker to this day. The point here is that the indoctrination I recieved took me years to completely overcome. The other point is that it is not unusual to see this in many Mormon families. Additionally there is much more to this which I do not wish to delve into here. That is why, Stableboy, that I was psychologically unable to escape from the LDS Church until the age of 30. My experience is not singular, and I believe that when a religion can be used to justify such brutal behavior, by a person who is in a leadership position in the Church, there is an intrinsic flaw in the Church. "By there fruits shall ye know them." MY experience is that often while the top of the basket looks good, the.....

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• .... the fruit at the bottom is very often rotten, particularly with Mormons.

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• Thanks for sharing about your past... I know this isn't the ideal place for something like that. As horrible as your family life was, though... these stories are available anywhere people live -- I have my own past with an abusive Baptist minister as a father. Religion always has an upside and a downside, as does atheism or any other belief system... and part of the downside is that beliefs tend to interfere with being able to see clearly -- people cling to the beliefs and lose values in the process. Despite that, we have to defend the right of people to believe as they do, even if some will twist beliefs into something which produces harm -- obviously, the evil done needs to be addressed directly, as you would discard bad fruit from a tree. But we don't chop the tree down as long as we can also see it produces good fruit too. You'd be doing much more service by going after the bad fruit in the church than trying to hack at the trunk.

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  by Stableboy on April 7th, 2007

• Glenn: You have no idea what your brethren have done to me after I left your church. You are correct, at first there was not too much of a problem. Then, after I was well established in business, I was approached and told that I needed to donate the services of by business to the Church. I refused to do so and then I felt the wrath of organized activity to undermine and destroy my business. The claims that you make about ex Mormons are hackneyed and I have heard them all of my life. Everybody who leaves the Church is universally subjected to such criticisms. This is the same way you treat me. You claim that I am not nor was I ever a Mormon. Then you claim that I am just a messed up person. You try to blaim the damage on caused on the person who gets the damage, not on the organization that at the very minimum facilitates the pathological beliefs that lead to the abusive behavior. Look at how you and Bob act here. Bob has been censured to the point of suspension. You are more subtle...

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• ... but just as nasty. You should know better. Before I had encountered you I had managed not to think about the LDS Church for a good long time. But you guys reminded me about it and what some of you are really like. You have awakened me to this, and not I will press on. I consider that I have already accomplished my goal of helping just one to avoid the pitfalls of Mormonism. Now I will do my best to increase that number. Thanks, because were it not for your comportment here I might never have done that. As to the question, I still take it that you believe that it would be OK to kill or whatever if you believed that God wanted you to do it, since you cannot explicitly state otherwise.

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• Note the Science_geek blames my brother and me for "reminding" him about how bad we are. In another comment elsewhere (sorry but I can't remember where) he stated that he did not come into the Mormon section of AB until after my brother and I started picking on him out in the other parts of this site. Well, this is an easily verifiable claim. All one has to do is click on the link in his profile to see the answers that he gave in the order that he posted them. Before he started attacking our religion, my brother left a grand total of one comment on his answers. I had left none. It was not until he start posting his hate filled posts about our religion that he really came to our attention. So, he accuses us of picking on him when we simply defend our faith against his attacks. I would also point you to another question that he posted and my answer to it (http://tinyurl.com/3bcfxb). In his comments on this answer, he blames us for the violence that was perpetrated...

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 7th, 2007

• ...against us in the early part of our history. We caused the trouble. Therefore, other people were justified in beating us, raping our women, robbing us of our property, forcing us from our homes in the middle of the winter (in at least one case they were forced to walk across the frozen ground in their night cloths and bare feet, leaving bloody footprints behind them), depriving us of the right to vote, and in many cases murdering us in cold blood. These are the kinds of crimes that Science_geek was justifying. He blithely states that we were treated thus because we caused the trouble. Now, I’ll be the first to admit that the arrogance of the early Mormons did cause a certain amount of friction between them and those that were not members. However, NOTHING that they did justified the indignities and violence to which they were subject. They never started the violence. They only responded to it....

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 7th, 2007

• ...Science_geek is trying to paint us as the violent ones that think they are above the law. However, by his own comment, he has shown that he is the one that advocates violence against us. He is also very good at making gratuitous statements about how badly he has been treated at the hands of members of the Church. However, he has never provided a single shred of evidence to support these claims. He wants to portray himself as the innocent victim, but the record shows just the opposite. He condemns us for defending ourselves against the attacks that he and people like him have leveled against us.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 7th, 2007

• Glenn, I have never advocated violence against the membership of the church. They were my ancestors that suffered the persecutions in Nauvoo. The point is that Joseph Smith led them into that situation. You still have yet to answer the question, so I will ask you again. Would you kill if you believed it to be Gods will that you do so?

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• Additionally after I was first downrated and negatively commented to by Bob I looked at his profile and read some of his postings. This reminded me about your cult and what it does to people. You are excellent at attacking people when you cannot provide a real arguement. This whole comment section demonstrates this quite clearly. I Love the example you provide. It shows how truly hollow and evil your cult is. Keep it up!

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• Science_geek, anyone who cares to take the time can go back and look at our original discussions. They will see that I tried to treat you with respect. It was not until I got fed up with your attacks on my character that I began to question yours.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 7th, 2007

• I have not seen you or your brother threat anybody with respect who has a differing opinion about Mormonism. Please answer this question - Would you kill another human being if an LDS General authority asked you to?

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• Well, of course you haven't.  It's obvious enough from your own posted content, science_geek, that you consider any disagreement with you, and any effort to defend whatever you may attack, as disrespectful and as a direct attack and persecution against you.  One certainly has to wonder to what degree this might be the true nature of all the persecution that you claim to have suffered at the hands of the church.

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  by Anonymous on April 7th, 2007

• Bob, your reputation speaks for itself here. This is an aside, an attempt to dodge, as is typical. Answer this if you dare. Would you kill another human being if an LDS General Authority commanded you to?

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• The only objective quantification available of one's “reputation” here on Answerbag is the points and level.  Admittedly, I have been on Answerbag much longer than you have, science_geek, so all other things being equal, it is to be expected that my points, level, and “reputation” would be higher than yours.  However, in more than a year that you've been on Answerbag, your “reputation” is considerably lower than that of many people who have been on Answerbag for only a few months.  There are indeed many people on Answerbag who may well have reason to look down on me and my “reputation”, as reflected by my points and level compared to theirs, but you, science_geek, surely are not one of them.  Your purpose in asking this question, as well as one other very similar question, is very obviously a clumsy attempt to try to paint me and all other Mormons as murderers.  I feel no obligation to play into that.

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  by Anonymous on April 7th, 2007

• I do not have a great deal of time time to spend on Answerbag. However my answer percentage is 88% and your is 71%. Also most of the negative ratings I have recieved have been regarding my answers about the Mormon Church, with I am sure the majority of the downratings coming from you and your ilk. Anyway, back to the point of the topic at hand. By refusung to answer the question, and by the last line of your comment, you are then admitting that you, as well as any faithfully endowed Mormon would kill another human being at the behest of an LDS General Authority! Thanks Bob, you are truly a gem.

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• I am admitting no such thing.  You are the one who is trying to paint me as a potential murderer; in the complete absence of any rational basis for doing so.  I don't think there's anything at all unreasonable in my refusing to play along with that.

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  by Anonymous on April 7th, 2007

• Simply deny that you would kill another human being if an LDS General Authority commanded you to do so, otherwise you are in fact providing an implicit answer.

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• First you tell me this:  Yes or no, science_geek, have you stopped sexually-abusing your children yet?  Yes or no?

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  by Anonymous on April 7th, 2007

• You really are a very sick person Bob. That is ridiculous and stupid as well as abusive. It typifies your twisted perspective on reality. Interestingly the demographic information regarding pedophilia indicates that Mormonism correlates to an increased probability of such activities, as I have demonstrated to you before. It does seem to be on your mind a lot, perhaps you could get help if you have not progressed too far down the path of pedophilia. As to the topic at hand, you have answered the question implicitly. These twists in the gibbet you are making simply demonstrate the pertinence of the question as well as the implicit answer that you have so thoughtfully provided.

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• So, then, by the twisted logic that you've been trying to employ against, me, I take it that I can accept your non-answer as an admission that you have, in fact, been sexually abusing your children?  And you're calling me “sick”?

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  by Anonymous on April 7th, 2007

• You are truly a sick person Bob. I would never abuse my precious children in any way. The idea is repugnant. It is your sick and twisted view of the world that I find troubling. Just to be clear here, I have not ever nor would I ever abuse my children sexually or in any other way. There does exist evidence that an endowed Mormon would in fact kill another human being if so ordered by one of the LDS General Authorities, whether you accept the evidence or not. So the question is again repeated, and you can clear the air with a simple answer. Bob, would you at the command of one of the LDS General Authorities end the life of another human being?

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  by science_geek on April 7th, 2007

• No, science_geek, there is no such evidence.  You cited one piece of alleged evidence, which has been rather soundly proven to be a forgery; most likely the work of Mark Hoffman.  I am not obligated to prove to you or to anyone else that I am not a murderer.  If you wish to make the case that I am a murderer, then it is on you to prove it.

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  by Anonymous on April 7th, 2007

• And you have not answered this question:  Yes, or no, have you stopped sexually abusing your children yet?  Yes, or no, science_geek?

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  by Anonymous on April 7th, 2007

• Science_geek commented, "I have not seen you or your brother threat anybody with respect who has a differing opinion about Mormonism." Well, then you have not been pay much attention. All anyone has to do is look at the reply I made to John Pacella's comment on my answer to this very question to see this. He and I have had our rows about religion too. He believes much as you do about us. However, his comment to that answer was respectful. Therefore, my response to him was also respectful. However, you came into here with a chip on your shoulder. I tried to be be nice in my disagreement with you, but after you called me a lier one too many time I finally gave up.

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  by Glenn Blaylock on April 7th, 2007

• Bob Blaylock your line of questions against science_geek and the "sexual abuse" is horrible. I can't believe you would stoop so low. It sickens me that you would go that route to prove a point. Shame on you!!!

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  by jlmancil on April 9th, 2007

• I am merely turning his own tactics and logic back upon him.  If I am out of line with my line of questions that seem to suggest him to be a child molester, then I am no more out of line than he is with his efforts to paint me and other Mormons as murderers.  What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.  My point is not to seriously accuse him of child abuse, but to demonstrate the ethical and logical vacuousness of his efforts to paint me as a murderer.

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  by Anonymous on April 9th, 2007

• Bob: I am not trying to paint you as a murderer. I have never suggested that you have murdered anybody. It is a hypothetical question. In addition, I HAVE answered your repugnant and baseless accusation, as I stated clearly above I have not ever nor would I ever abuse my children sexually or in any other way. So I guess the answer would be no, because you cannot stop doing something that you have not ever done. I will admit that when my children were younger that they did suffer from a form of abuse, but I corrected this by no longer subjecting them to Primary, Sunday School, and other Mormon services. I am proud to be able to state that my younger children have never seen the inside of a Mormon Church. Now it is your turn Bob, please clearly state an answer, - Would you kill at the direction of a General Authority of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? Yes or No. Refusal to answer this question clearly at this point will be taken as an admission that you would in fact do so.

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  by science_geek on April 9th, 2007

• «“Refusal to answer this question clearly at this point will be taken as an admission that you would in fact do so.”»  In other words, science_geek, yes, you are accusing me of being a murderer, and putting the burden on me to say that I am not.  Your accusation is every bit as baseless and repugnant as my implication that you are a child molester.  The only difference is that I made the accusation, not with serious intent to claim that accusation to be true, but to make a point about your accusation; while all evidence is that you are dead serious in trying to accuse me of being a murderer.

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  by Anonymous on April 9th, 2007

• That is a very vacuous argument. I am asking a hypothetical question about your religious beliefs. Just because you would (as is at this point obvious to any thinking person who has followed this thread) kill somebody at the behest of your Church leadership does not mean that you have done so, yet. So I am not in fact accusing you of being a murderer.

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  by science_geek on April 9th, 2007

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• Yes, because God taught that you should fight fire with fire.

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  by Martureo on June 9th, 2009

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• Read chapter 3, too.

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  by laie_techie on June 7th, 2009

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• but, this is about mormons, not JWs.

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  by zee-ster on June 11th, 2007

• I don't bash Jehovah's Witnesses, but if I were going to, I'd have more right to it then many others, as I was raised in that faith, and in all the years I attended that faith, I never once felt the touch of the Holy Ghost, not at church at least.
  
  I was raised Jehovah's Witness, and when I was old enough to visit other things, I checked other faiths, Lutheran, Baptist, and Methodist, before I settled into the Mormon faith. Never have I felt closer to god, in any of the other churches, then I feel at the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

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  by WishUponAStar on June 11th, 2007

• oh... okay, you are mormon now, but were a JW. gotcha! thanx for clarifying.

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  by zee-ster on June 11th, 2007

• Hehe, your welcome. My mother was a Jovie, as I call them, and I just never felt it was the right faith, I always seemed to know that. Actually, I gave up on any faith at all for many years, because I never felt the spirit I'd been told about, and it just didn't feel right, but then I was eighteen, and sought religion, the search began. It was not much longer then a year that I went through those faiths and had joined the LDS.

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