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by tibear on February 13th, 2008
No, I pray to God, through Mary.
Everyone knows that Catholics have a prayer called "Hail Mary", however nowhere in the prayer do we actually pray to Mary. We call her blessed and full of grace but we simply ask her to "pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death."
We do not ask anything of her but to pray for us, similar to asking a loved one to pray for us.
by singwell-is off researching a lot on February 18th, 2007
No, I am a Protestant. We believe in Praying only to the Father Son and Holy Spirit, though we honour Mary as the godly woman she was.
by Smurphy on February 18th, 2007
I don't pray to her, I pray through her... I ask for her guidance in praying to god. I mean who knows Jesus better then his mother?
by gr8bskt on November 5th, 2007
I think that the main source of confusion comes from the word itself, "pray". As Catholics, we use "pray" and "intercede" interchangeably in reference to Mary and the Saints. We do not--nor has the Church ever taught us to--worship Mary or the Saints as God, because they aren't and will never be. They are part of the *family* of God, the Body of Christ, and not even the death of the physical body impedes our communication.
So do I pray to Mary? You better believe it. I ask her intercession, right alongside of praying to Christ Jesus. The Early Church Fathers were big fans of her, as well as Jesus Himself, most importantly. I figure that if He, who was struggling for every breath and every word, kept the Fourth Commandment right up until His dying breath, then loving her and asking for her intercession is exactly what I should do. The mark of a Christian is imitation of Christ, and He was ever obedient to His wonderful Blessed Mother.
by daisymae19 on April 9th, 2007
of course not. But I do speak to Mary and do I ask her for help and I ask her to intercede with her son. Jesus revered Mary, his last act on earth was seeing to her care...why would any person feel it is right to accord Mary anything less then reverence?
by Firebrand on February 18th, 2007
Yes aswell as to God, She was the Mother of Christ and is seen as a very important figure in our Religion
by JohnDough on February 7th, 2008
Of course. To pray is to ask humbly. I believe God wishes us to ask each other for help, those on earth and those who have gone before us.
James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Certainly Mary is pretty high on the righteous scale!
by Skip_2_My_Lou on February 18th, 2007
Nah, I pray to God.
by Anonymous on February 18th, 2007
No... i don't.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Mary is truly the mother of God if two conditions are fulfilled: that she is really the mother of Jesus and that Jesus is really God.” (1967, Vol. X, p. 21) The Bible says that Mary was the mother of Jesus, but was Jesus God? In the fourth century, long after the writing of the Bible was completed, the Church formulated its statement of the Trinity. (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 295; see page 405, under the heading “Trinity.”) At that time in the Nicene Creed the Church spoke of Jesus Christ as “very God.” After that, at the Council of Ephesus in 431 C.E., Mary was proclaimed by the Church to be The·o·to´kos, meaning “God-bearer” or “Mother of God.” However, neither that expression nor the idea is found in the text of any translation of the Bible.
by videobroker on November 5th, 2007
Nope.
I pray like Jesus taught us: to our Father (his Father) who is in Heaven, not his earthly mother. He never taught us to pray to saints or his mother. That's something the Catholic Church came up with who knows when.
Pray to God in the name of Jesus Christ. God, the Father, and Jesus, His Son and our Brother.
by Singingismystyle on February 21st, 2007
No, I don't. Mary was a person just like us, it's just that God planted His holy seed inside of her, and used her to bring forth Jesus Christ. I don't pray to any women or man; God is our answer.
by That Guy Again on April 7th, 2008
No, no more so than to everyone else. I do pray for your and her intervention on my behalf.
I confess to almighty God,
and to you my brothers and sisters,
that I have sinned through my own fault,
in my thoughts and in my deeds,
in what I have done,
and in what I have failed to do;
and I ask blessed Mary ever virgin,
all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.
by Worzel on April 1st, 2008
We ask her to pray for us: Our lady who was born without sin, pray for those who have recourse to thee.
by Perryman on April 1st, 2008
The first Bible clearly teaches us what God’s will is on this matter, that prayer, or worshipful address, should be directed to Jesus’ Father, who is Jehovah.
Nowhere does the Bible authorize us to pray to anyone else.
The fact is that the Scriptures do not teach Christians to pray to Mary.
All prayers should be directed to Jehovah alone, through Jesus Christ.
See—Matthew 4:10; 1 Timothy 2:5.
This article goes into further detail:
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050908a/article_01.htm
by princessemmabelle on February 18th, 2007
No, I am Christian. I believe that it's not ok to pray to anyone but the Lord. The bible says that we are only supposed to pray to the Lord. Although Mary is the mother of Christ, I believe that she is not Godlike therefore I will not pray to her.
by zoomzoom325 on April 3rd, 2008
I do not. I pray to God thru his son Jesus Christ as commanded in the Bible. Mary was only human.
by Kitt-tastrophy on April 1st, 2008
Nope
by miRi hates social norms and regulations on April 1st, 2008
no but i'm not catholic nor christian. for those who revere her, they don't worship her. let them pray as they see fit
by Doggie S on April 1st, 2008
I'm not Catholic, so no.
by AnonymousGirl on February 7th, 2008
No.
by Randoley on April 2nd, 2009
No I do not. I believe that is forbidden by God
Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a NECROMANCER.
This is what the dictionary says about Necromancy, 1 : conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of revealing the future or influencing the course of events
Catholics say they do not pray to Mary or saints, but they ask them to intercede for them. Let's see talking to dead people in the hopes of influencing the course of events. Sounds like necromancy to me.
by sengchan on July 23rd, 2008
GOD sent His Son Jesus to die on the cross so that we can re-unite with Him after sins that Adam and Eve committed separated us from GOD.
Why would you want another sinner(Mary or any others) to talk GOD on your behave when GOD given you the privilege to speak to Him directly.
Praying to GOD through Mary or the Saints is the same thing as asking your respectable friends or family to speak to your parents for you. I don't know about you, if I am your parent I would be very sad that my child needing someone else to speak for him/her. I want to have relationship with my child. I want my child to speak to me heart to heart without reservation. After all, I love my child very much(God sent Jesus to die for you, so that HE can have personally relationship with you)
by hungryman on June 25th, 2008
I pray to the baby Jesus and the baby Jesus exclusively.
by Homedad on June 25th, 2008
Many Catholics (myself incl.) believe that Jesus was entrusting us to His mother's care when He said from the cross to His mother and to the the beloved disciple:
"Woman, behold your son... Son, behold your mother."
Sorry, I can't give a scriptual reference to that quote, I don't have my bible in front of me.
As many have said, we pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We ask for intercession by the Blessed Virgin and the many saints.
People in this very thread have said they are praying for each other. This is exactly what Mary does for us, if we ask her.
Pray the rosary, Catholic or Protestant or Muslim, or what have you. You will notice a change for the better in your life.
by angelzz on May 23rd, 2008
no she isnt the creator of me and doesnt control my life, so like y should i pray to her?? ya people say she's "holy" since she gave birth to Jesus, but she was like a sub character. she isnt the point..Christ is !!!
by ImaCatholic2 on May 23rd, 2008
Occassionally.
Sometimes I ask the Blessed Virgin Mary to pray for me. Sometimes I also ask my spouse to pray for me.
Catholics share the belief in the Communion of Saints with many other Christians, including the Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Episcopal, and Methodist Churches.
The Communion of Saints is the belief where all saints are intimately related in the Body of Christ, a family. When you die and go to heaven, you do not leave this family.
Everyone in heaven or on their way to heaven are saints, you, me, my deceased grandmother, Mary the mother of Jesus, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II.
As part of this family, you may ask your family and friends living here on earth to pray for you. Or, you may also ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Andrew, or your deceased grandmother living in heaven to pray for you.
Prayer to saints in heaven is simple communication, not worship.
Asking others to pray for you whether your loved ones on Earth or your loved ones in heaven is always optional.
For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 946 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p5.htm#946
With love in Christ.
by Ananamiss on May 16th, 2008
Just for the record, 1st Timothy 2:5 says,
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus....."
by Gina on April 3rd, 2008
No, I pray to God, in Jesus's name.
by Aramon on April 1st, 2008
Im agnostic, so I dont pray to anyone.
by thatsJustme on April 1st, 2008
No, I pray to God only through HIS SON, whom told us, "asked in HIS(JESUS) name and it shall be given."
by Lovely_B on February 13th, 2008
I don't think she was a virgin. I pray to God that she was.
by Anonymous on February 21st, 2007
No... I sing Ave Maria, but I worship God =)
by Subject Matter Expert on February 18th, 2007
No, I don't believe.
by RubyDoobyDoo on June 7th, 2009
I pray to Mary directly- as a fallen away Catholic I believe in God, and Mary- not much else. Through everything I feel closer to Mary in many ways that I do not by my own mother. I dunno- I know most religious people think I'm nutz but I don't care. The Bible states that if you are devoted religion you should do it in your quiet ways not necessarily by telling other people what they're doing wrong (No I don't remember where it is offhand but I can find it if I need to). The Bible also states "Do not judge lest you yourself be judged" To me, people who push their religion on other people as opposed to being open about it are very much in the wrong.
by autumn leaves on March 4th, 2009
even though i do believe in the virgin birth and mary as giving birth to jesus christ the Son of God. she is not the mother of God. the bible says that God himself has no creator. (psalm 90:1,2)he is "from time indefinite to time indefinite." his son was born of a virgin who later also gave birth to more children. mary had to be an exceptional woman to have been approved by God to be his son's mother. however, the bible also states that when we pray to God above we are to pray to him through this son Jesus Christ. 1timothy 2:5,6 says: "for there is one God, and one mediator beween God and men, a man, Crist Jesus, who have himself a corresponding ransom for all."
by Anonymous on February 2nd, 2009
this is my true experience when i was 14 years old. my buddy was a christian and he doesn't pray to Mary. So as he knows that i'm a catholic he always ask me to give reasons for me praying to Mary. All he knows is to condemn Mother Mary so badly. As you see he does a lot of reading and i cant even defend Mother Mary at that time mainly because i dont read much. Until one day i wanted to bash him up in school for that. But something made me weak and told me the truth will prevail. So i just ignored him, until end of that year he complained of a terrible pain at his groin. Had to go for an operation. Oh my, he really suffered and he told me the pain he went through. He became a very quite person after that. Lately i met him in a catholic church, thats after 20 years of losing contact. So i was wondering , this guy condemns Mother Mary to the MAX and what is he doing in a catholic church? I didnt ask him any past stories just that i dont know why the sudden change.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT IF U DONT BELIEVE IN MOTHER MARY SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN TO YOU "BUT BUT" PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT HAVEANLY SAINTS. THEY WERE ASSIGNED BY GOD FOR A CERTAIN
PURPOSE HERE ON EARTH. WE ARE MEN/ WOMEN OF THESE TIME AND WE WERE NOT WITH GOD WHEN GOD MADE HIS PLANS FOR PEOPLE OF THESE WORLD.
by shammers still slogging along on January 6th, 2009
Absolutely not.
by Doug on January 6th, 2009
Well, Mag:
I don't think that you fully understand who is your Religious Master.So I'll lay it out for you plain and simple. Catholicism is the Cult of Mary,and just like the Mother gods before her that were worshiped in many lands way back when,and also today in many lands. So the Popes of your Cult propagated a human earth mother, a female deity, who they call the mother of God and on a par with the Son of God. Ever hear of a baby being born before his or her mother. Jesus was before Mary ever was,so how could she be the mother of God. Now, Mary was the human birth channel by which God's Son,Jesus,came by, into this world. He was of her,but never was a part of her. How do I know? God is a Holy,Pure,Sinless Being, Therefore, Mary a sinful human being could not be a part of a Holy,Sinless God, nor could she ever be the mother of God. Only the Roman Catholic Church has kept this lie alive throughout the ages. And will Catholics be in heaven, No Way, For that would make God and Jesus,his Son,out to be liar. Get out of your corrupted Catholic bible, and read, "THE WAY", THE LIVING BIBLE ILLUSTRATED That's where your Salvation can be found, not in the paganism of Cathoicism that will only see you in Hell.
by Doug on December 25th, 2008
Father Pope over road the commandment of God, but then Guess he'll have lots of company in Hell, and those who follow a man-made god, who's church has corrupted the very Word Of God so his flock can pray to and bow-down to the idols of Mary and the saints. Don't take my word for it, "READ THE KING-JAMES-BIBLE'S TEN COMMANDMENTS". And you can be sure that Jesus would never have been an idol worshiping Catholic. And I wonder why you are,if you belong to that Cult Of Mary
by gsjgarland on August 28th, 2008
I do not, and will not ever pray to anything or anyone except my father in heaven witch is taught to us in the scripture by Jesus himself...When i first met my girl friend 6 years ago her family was the only one that i knew that was catholic but i have met several sense then..... I knew nothing about the religion and started to find out things about it through them, and right off the bat it did not seem like what i have been taught me whole life and what i have interpreted from the bible my self... So i started to do my research and to this day i have not found purgatory, child baptism, praying to mother Mary and the saints, or confessing your sins to a priest in the bible... There are many more things like these that are man made traditions that im convinced are not the the word of God.... Since I have brought these things up to my girlfriend her cousin and her aunt it has got there attention as well and are currently going to a different church that does not take any focus off God himself.. So the things that are not in the bible that will not send me to heaven i choose not to waste my time with....
by Designer4theking...loves her kitties on August 20th, 2008
NO, Jesus said Noone comes to the Father but thru Jesus Christ. Jesus died for us not mary . Look at John 14:6. The truth shall set you free if you look for it in God's word. We have to be very careful to follow what Jesus Christ told us not church's.
by Flagirl on August 20th, 2008
nope i pray to God!
by William on May 23rd, 2008
It's comes from the belief that Jesus is god, so in turn Mary is mother of Jesus.
But Christianity during Jesus time did not teach that he was god.
Matter of fact Jesus even said that after he was gone, many of his teachings would be corrupted.
Notice:
"I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among YOU and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among YOU yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." - ACTS 20:29,30
"However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances..." - 1 Timothy 4:1
The Trinity
Trinity (definition) – That the Father, the Son (Jesus), and holy ghost are all together god, each eternal, each almighty, and none greater of less than the other.
The belief that Jesus Christ is god, is based on the idea of the trinity.
But if you take a look at the history of this teaching:
First the word trinity or the teaching is never found in the bible.
Also the Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the belief of the trinity or that Jesus was god or was part of god did not even exist until two to three hundred years after the death of Jesus. The Encyclopedia Americana says - “Fourth century Trinitarianism was a deviation from early Christian teaching.”
This teaching was adopted into “Christianity” from pagan religions from Egypt, Babylon, from Hinduism, and even from the philosopher Plato that taught the trinity belief 400 years before Jesus.
Finally the trinity became the central teaching of the church not because of the bible but because of the order of the Roman Emperor Constantine who was pagan himself. He really couldn’t care less about bible teachings but only wanted to end the debate between church leaders to keep unity in his kingdom. After he made that decision in the year 381, anyone that openly disagreed with the trinity were violently persecuted or killed with the permission of the church.
Back to the Scriptures
After that history lesson
In reading the bibles record of Jesus, Jesus never claimed to be God or any part of God. Everything he said about himself indicated that he did not consider himself equal to God in any way – not in power, not in knowledge, or age. The bible calls Jesus
“the only-begotten Son” of God (John 1:14; 1 John 4:9)
- First off, John 1:18 – “No man has seen God at any time…”
(The bible says no man has ever seen god but thousands saw and interacted with Jesus during his earthly life.)
- God has no beginning and no end.
Psalms 90:2 – “…even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.”
But the bible says that Jesus was “the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15)
Also see (Revelation 3:14)
Unlike God, Jesus was created and had a beginning.
- Notice another scripture.
When a man came to fall at Jesus’ feet and then called him “Good Teacher”, Jesus said to him at
Mark 10:17, 18 “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”
(If Jesus himself was god would that statement make any sense?
Jesus always directed any praise to god, not to himself.)
- John 14:28 – “The Father is greater than I.” (Jesus talking)
- 1 Corinthians 11:3 - “…the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.”
(The bible always talks of God of being superior in power to Jesus.)
- Philippians 2:6 – “…Jesus Christ, who, although he was existing in God’s form (as a spirit in heaven) gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.”
- Also 1 Timothy 2:5 Says that the disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God himself. A mediator is obviously someone separate from those who need mediation, not part of one of the two parties that need mediation.
---That’s just a short list of the many accounts since I did want to make this to long---
But the bible is clear and consistent about the relationship of God to Jesus. Jesus Christ always distinguishes himself from God and showed that he never desired to be seen or worshipped as god. That he only wished to do the will of his father.
Consider
Psalms 83:18 – “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the most high over all the earth.”
Isaiah 12:2 – “Look! God is my salvation. I shall trust and be in no dread; for Jah Jehovah is my strength and my might, and he came to be the salvation of me.”
Jesus stressed the importance of his father’s name at John 17:26 – “I have made your name known to them and will make it known.”
Even in Jesus model prayer:
- Matthew 6:9 – “YOU must pray, then, this way:
“Our Father in the heavens let your name be sanctified…”
Another thing
Many people don’t know that when they say Hallelujah, it means “praise Jah” short for Jehovah.
Even Jesus’ name itself means “Jehovah is Salvation”
The mother of the prophet Moses was named Jochebed, which means “Jehovah Is Glory”
The prophet Joel in the bible, his name means, “Jehovah is God”
The prophet Elijah in the bible name means “My God Is Jehovah”
Isaiah’s name means “Salvation of Jehovah”
Hezekiah, Josiah, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Zechariah and Zephaniah all are well-known Bible names whose meanings involve Jehovah, or Jah, the shorter poetic form of Jehovah’s name.
Even many people’s names today have Jehovah in their meaning:
Johnson means “Jehovah has favored”
The name Jonathan means, “Jehovah has given”
Joshua means, “Jehovah is salvation” or “Jehovah rescues”
Jacqueline, Jackie, Jacquelyn, John and Jack means, “Jehovah has been gracious”
Chanya means “The Grace of Jehovah”
Kayla means “Jehovah has given”
Joey means "Jehovah increases"
Jesse means “Jehovah exists”
Jeremiah and Jeremy means “appointed by Jehovah”
Josiah means “Jehovah supports”
Joe or Joesph means “May Jehovah give increase”
Jane, Jan, Janelle, Janet, Janice, Janie, Janine,
Joan, Joanne, Jodie, Joni, Jonie, Joanna, Johannah all are variations that mean
“Jehovah is gracious”
One last thing:
Also remember that “god” is not a name, it’s a title.
Just like “boy” or “king”, “God” and “Lord” are titles,
“God” is anything you choose to worship. Your money can be your “God”, your possessions can be a “God”, but the only God the bible points to is Jehovah, God’s name.
---Explanation of pictures---
-The "Christian" Trinity was just a pagan befief that was incorporated into the church hundreds of years after Christ.
The pictures are of the Hundu trinity, then the ancient Egyptian trinity, and finally the "Christian" trinity.
-An ancient painting of the scene in Nicaea when Emperor Constantine made his decision-
by Kevisaurus is a Carnotaurus today on April 1st, 2008
Hail Mary is a convenient prayer.
If it works for you then I say use it.
by promek on August 7th, 2009
were in the bible does it say to pray To the saints or Angels? Where does it say in the bible that Mary was taken into heaven after she Died?
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13 KJV)
by pugwashjw65 on June 29th, 2009
Only almighty God should be prayed to...and always via Jesus...
(John 14:6) Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Praying to Mary is unscriptural...
by danny_v on June 29th, 2009
No, respectively
Mary cannot intercede for us to the Father or the Son
~John 14:6~
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Mary was a woman used by God and should be credited only as a servant of God which she states herself.
How can we rely on Mary for anything when she herself was in need of a Savior as we all are? Mary speaking of Jesus...
~Luke 1:46-47~
46 And Mary said:
"My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
Mary is not the "Mother of God" because Jesus didn't originate in her womb.
~John 8:58~
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
by Catholic Convert on June 6th, 2009
No as Catholic's we don't pray directly to the Virgin Mary we pray for her Intercession with her son, our dear Lord Jesus. I had trouble getting my head around this when I became a Catholic if I'm honest. So, now when I pray the Rosary or any other Marian prayer I have a mental image of praying along side of her if you like.
She is more like a role model for me and I view her in a sisterly way and as a fellow mother. She is a great inspiration of faith and unquestioning devotion but she is not God nor is she meant to replace Him or be His equal.
HTH's
pax
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by Anonymous on June 1st, 2009
No.
I Don't Believe.
by Somedude81 on May 11th, 2009
Being that Mary has no supernatural or devine powers to change our eternal destiny in Christ Jesus, I dont Biblically see why anyone would. She is absolutely a significant and blessed person of the Bible but she was never meant to be prayed to or through. That is blasphemy in and of itself, to pray to anyone except the Father. Mary did not die for our sins nor is she part of the trinity, it is only through the blood of the lamb(Jesus Christ) that we are saved.
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oh i'm SO GLAD that somebody finally thought to clarify that for those who don't know exactly why catholics ask for the saints to intercede. seriously, when i was catholic it irritated the hell out of me for that.
well said and quite tactful
+6
by miRi hates social norms and regulations on April 1st, 2008
very good
by Jane on April 1st, 2008
GOD sent His Son Jesus to die on the cross so that we can re-unite with Him after sins that Adam and Eve committed separated us from GOD.
Why would you want another sinner(Mary or any others) to talk GOD on your behave when GOD given you the privilege to speak to Him directly.
Praying to GOD through Mary or the Saints is the same thing as asking your respectable friends or family to speak to your parents for you. I don't know about you, if I am your parent I would be very sad that my child needing someone else to speak for him/her. I want to have relationship with my child. I want my child to speak to me heart to heart without reservation. After all, I love my child very much(God sent Jesus to die for you, so that HE can have personally relationship with you)
by sengchan on July 23rd, 2008
sengchan, did you ever want something from your father but went to talk with your mother first to get her to "soften" up your father???
Similarly, if you're having problems with someone have you ever gotten someone else involved as a mediator??
This is similar to asking others to pray for you
by tibear on July 23rd, 2008
tibear....good example
by Jane on July 23rd, 2008
Read 1st Timothy 2:5: Jesus is the only mediator needed.
by Ananamiss on July 31st, 2008
ladyhawke, you're absolutely correct that we don't need to ask anyone else to pray for us but most of us do.
The only point I'm making is that as Catholics we don't pray TO Mary but rather we ask her to pray for us.
by tibear on August 1st, 2008
We Catholics believe that our Mother Mary is our most powerful intercessor because of her sinlessness.
"Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working." (James 5:16, ASV)
St. Paul asked his fellow Christians to intercede for him:
"Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may run and be glorified, even as also it is with you; and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and evil men; for
all have not faith."(2 Thessalonians 3:1-2, ASV)
"Now I beseech you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; that I may be delivered from them that are disobedient in Judaea, and that my ministration which I have for Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints; that I may come unto you in joy through the will of God, and together with you find rest." (Romans 15:30-32, ASV)
by cceerpp on November 27th, 2008
Our Lord Jesus Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her.
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by cceerpp on November 27th, 2008
Did you just say because of her sinlessness,If that was so Jesus didnt have to come from glory,she could have did it.The bible says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.Doesnt say all,but Mary.No she was a sinner saved by grace like the rest of us.
by Jesus is God on April 1st, 2009
Catholics believe that Mary was without sin until Christ was born. When you hear the term "immaculate conception" it refers to Mary's birth, not Christ's.
The belief is that Christ could not have been carried within the womb of a "sinful" person.
Having said that, the Church does not make assertion that Mary didn't sin her entire life, simply before Christ's birth.
As well, the Church teaches that all humans by birth are sinners because we have the ability to choose to sin or not. Even if we never sin we still need Christ because we have the ability to sin.
by tibear on April 2nd, 2009
We are sinners through our fathers.Jesus father was the Holy Spirit.I could careless what catholics believe.That is pure false doctrine,straight out of satans on mouth.What does the word of God say,The Holy Bible,not this false doctrine the catholic church uses.You better get out of that garbage,before you end up in hell.
by Jesus is God on April 6th, 2009
*sigh*
catholics are christians too
they use the bible as their holy book, calling it the word of God
they believe that christ is the son of god
they believe that sinners should repent their sins and seek to do the right thing afterward
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"before you end up in hell"
...you have no right to tell a person where they are or are not going unless you have the voice of God himself telling you that you are GUARANTEED heaven.
by miRi hates social norms and regulations on April 9th, 2009
'HGTA":
Isn't it interesting that the book you have all of your faith in, is the same book that was created and sanctioned by the same organization that you seem to have so much hatred towards......
Somehow I think Jesus might have some problem with your understanding of the Christian faith. Christ used love to change the hearts of people, not insults and abuse.
by tibear on April 9th, 2009
I agree completely with Jesus how great thou art. We are all sinners, Mary was not sinless and its the belief on the name of Jesus and salvation through him that saves us. I normally am respectfull of beliefs, but when it comes to Catholics, the most evil and occultic religion in history I cant shut up.
by Anonymous on April 13th, 2009
Anon, "I normally am respectfull of beliefs, but" indicates that you aren't respectful.
by tibear on August 7th, 2009
tibear I think there is a flaw in your reasoning. why would you need Mary to soften up an omniscient being? Nothing anyone can say will change the "mind" of God. I think Mary and the Saints are all wonderful, but I have a problem praying through them being Catholic. I've read several of the "big books" on it and still no insight on the matter.
by lukasz on September 8th, 2009
lukasz, using the same logic that there is nothing we can do to change the "mind" of God, then why do you pray for things? God has already predetermined what is going to happen so why bother praying?
by tibear on September 9th, 2009