Not every religion has the same belief. The Jehovah's Witness religion might interpret those verses in a different way than you were brought up to believe it said. The Bible is completely open to individual interpretation.

You need to read the books and writtings or transulations or bible the Jehovah Witnesses use, to understand what they believe. ( Im not saying they are right or wrong) Every religion has altered the Bible in some way to fit their beliefs. ooooowww please please Rate me down MORE! Thank you so much for the "comment on your wisdom as to the incorrectness of my oppinion " oh thank you SO much.....uummm you are such a ...wise person ..ug

This article may help you understand why. http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_03.htm Below is the beginning of the series. (You'll need to use the little right arrow to proceed to next articles.) http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/start.htm

I agree with JWs on absolutely nothing, except the trinity! Follow me on this one guys. In the progression of the three it goes as follows.first there was Judaism, which believes in one God. Christianity, which is a break off of Judaism believes in the trinity(some). This is where Islam comes in. The Quran says that the Quran was given to Muhammad because Jesus was supposed to be the last prophet, but Christians screwed up the message by turning Jesus into God, so another revelation had to be sent to set the record straight. I find it interesting that Judaism and Islam don't believe in the trinity but christians do. How can you go from Jews(no trinity) to christains(trinity)to Muslims(no trinity again)? The early christians did not have a unified view on this. some taught the trinity and others did not, so Constintine held a council (later known as the nicene creed) to come together on this issue. He did not support one view over the other because he was not christian (his mother was obsessed with christian relics)He wanted the churches to become unified on what they taught to have better control. They voted at the council and the vote favored the trinity doctrine. If they had to vote, then it was not clear. But it should be know that JWs are not the only christians who don't believe in the trinity. Unitarians and others (you have to look them up but there are like fifteen others who don't believe in the trinity). According to Judaism and Islam the trinity is the greatest blasphemy because God is one God, which I believe, but to each his own. Great question by the way!

When one does a study on this passage they learn that it did not appear this way in any manuscript before the 16th Century. None of the older manuscripts include the verse the way the KJV says it.

1 John 5:7, 8: Here the King James Translation reads: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” ( The Catholic Douay translation also includes this Trinitarian passage.), However, the NW, New World translation, does not include the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” NOTE THAT the RS, NE, TEV, JB, NAB versions also leave out the Trinitarian passage. Regarding this Trinitarian passage, textual critic F. H. A. Scrivener wrote: “We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.”—A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654.

because different denomintations have different interpetations of the bible and the meaning of verses, etc in the bible.

The Trinity is an extremely complex doctrine and it is easy to attack at some points. (I happen to believe in it and think the Witnesses are wrong about that and some other things, but that's beside the point.) It's much better to discuss things like "false prophecies of Jehovah's Witnesses," which you can Google and find on the web at sites like this: http://www.carm.org/jw/false_prophecies.htm If they are false prophets, there's no point discussing a complex doctrine like the Trinity with them.

The question has already been answered in any standard dogmatics textbook such as Franz Pieper's Christian Dogmatics. It covers hundreds of pages and anyone who wants to take the trouble to study it can do so, as millions of people have done over centuries. There is even a great new book, "The Jewish Trinity", at Amazon.com, containing hundreds of pages of new information and showing that even in Old Testament times Jewish rabbis believed in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. But 500-page textbooks won't fit into an Answerbag box.

Unless you believe in the Trinity, then the Bible is full of contradictions, I won't go into them all, but lets just take on who raised Jesus? Well, Jesus said He Himself would do it (tear this temple down and "I" will raise it in 3 days, not My Father will, "I" will) but there are multiple verses that say God (that would be in most peoples eyes, like the JW's talking about the Father) and yet still there are other verses that say the Holy Spirit did it, well, ether they are One, like lets see, who said it? Oh yeah Jesus Himself said I and the Father are One. Or the Bible contradicts it's self and can't be trusted, I for one trust the Bible as Gods word, and the Truth can be found within, you just need to clear your mind, ask God for guidance and He will reveal the Truth, I pray that for all, even the JW's, put down your WT's open your Bibles (even the NWT) and God will show Himself as the Trinity.

1 John 5:7,8 is what's called the 'Comma Johnneum'. This verse does appear to be the one place in the Bible that does support the Trinity. The problem is that it's quite clear that this verse was added to the Bible in the 1600's, and was definitely not put in there by the writers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum To sum up the history of 1 John 5:7,8: - No Bible scholar prior to the 1600's used this verse in their arguments for the Trinity. - Not one single Greek manuscript of the Book of 1 John has this verse in it (out of 1000's) - No modern translation in the Bible has this portion of the verse in it What Bibles will have this? Ones based on something called the Textus Receptus. That was a Greek manuscript written by the same people who created the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible. Alot of Bibles since 1610 have been written based on this very flawed text - the Textus Receptus. This isn't the only glaring mistake in the KJV / Textus Receptus Bibles. Look at verses like Revelations 20:19....This is how it reads in the KJV: ....God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city.... What should it say (from the ASV 1906): ....God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city.... This, like 1 John 5:7,8 is a known mistake in the KJV and all Bibles based on the Textus Receptus. If your Bible reads 'book of life' at that point in Revelations 20:19 or contains the Comma Johnneum, then you know your Bible has these same flaws and all others found in the KJV Bible.

Some very good answers, and I would like to also add another thought, regarding the 'setting' of this book. Matthew, Mark, Luke, Paul, Peter....they had all written their Gospels and missionary letters many years earlier. Times had now changed. The Romans had conquered the Jews, removing them as the big threat. What was the 'new' threat? Paul had written to Timothy as well as to the Thessalonian congregation regarding 'false teachers'..., and told of the Apostasy that would enter into the congregations. [2 Thess. 2:3; 2 Tim.4:3, 4] Paul wrote this warning some '50' years prior to this letter that John wrote! The year was now almost 100 C.E., and the 'false teachers' were much more numerous. In his letter, John now refers to it as being 'the last hour', of his restraining presence, along with the appearance of 'many Anti-Christs'! [2:18] Troubles were now 'very' bad, and were prophesied to get even worse. John wrote his letters in Greek, and since it was not directed to any one congregation, the letter was evidently intended for the entire Christian association. This meant his letter was copied...in Greek...and sent to those other congregations. It was about 300 years after Johns death, the wording ..."In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth."... first appears in the 'Latin' works of Priscillian. Was his insertion given any weight to being 'truth'? It is worth noting that the trinity was a hotly disputed doctrine at this time, however, those 'in favor' of the trinity... Hesychius, Leo the Great, Ambrose among the Latins; to name just a few, when arguing the issue, never quoted 1 John 5:7 with the words in question! Again, this is because 'no' Greek manuscript contained those words. These words slowly began to be written in the margin of many "Latin" Bible manuscripts... then, later, inserted into the verse itself. One thousand years later, around the 15th century, a Latin copyist deliberately inserted this addition into the "Greek" Codex Montfortianus (No. 61). It wasn't until many 'Greek' copies of this erroneous insertion were distributed, that the fraudulent discovery was made. By then, not only was it too late to reverse, but the lovers of the trinity relished this 'helpful' addition, and turned a blind eye to rectifying the 'truth'. The more respected publishers have removed this insertion from today's versions. Ironically, Satan was able to insert the very thing John was warning Christians of his time to be on guard against, into his letter...a huge 'false teaching'.

I am not Jehovah Witness, but am a Christian who does not believe in the Trinity. Study the following verses: “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh.” Genesis 2:24 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one” 1 John 5:7 “And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” Genesis 11:6-7 Are a husband and wife really one? Were thos people in that city really one? Are God and Jesus Christ really one? No! Should a husband and wife work together, help each other, as if they were one? Were those people in that city working together to build that tower, as if they were one, that even God called them "One"? Do God and Jesus Christ want the same things, believe the same things, sometimes say the same things, as if they were one? the answer to all of these questions are YES! It is clear to me that God and Jesus Christ are one in purpose, but seperate beings, the same as a husband and wife are one in purpose, but 2 very seperate beings.

Using 1 John 5:7,8 to prove the Trinity is like the CIA using the source Curveball to prove that there where weapons of mass destruction inside Iraq in 2002. See by Eponymous and Perrymans outstanding answers for additional information.

My husband and I are one in our thoughts. Doesn't mean we are the same person. When you look at the other hundreds or maybe thousands of scriptures that show the distinction between the father and the son, it's pretty clear. For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten-son.....

there are many verses in the bible that seem to "prove" or "disprove" the trinity. using 1 John 5:7,8 is a feeble and desperate attempt at proving it, since most bibles admit that verse 8 "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit" was "added" later.

It may be clear to you but, to others obviously it is not. I will point out that there are over 3000 recognized denominations of Christianity. What is plain to you may in fact be unclear or completely absent to another denomination. Maybe even heresy. I think, not to offend, that the christian church went wrong when Martin Luther was not silenced. There were others inside the catholic church that were engaged in a clean up operation. Since Good Ol' Martin (a catholic priest no less let the cat out of the bag, it's been a total disaster.

Well, the credibility of these verses has already been covered. Let me add something by quoting some other verses, and their meaning if we assume a Trinitarian view. "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." John 12:44-46 Translation from a Trinitarian/God incarnate view: "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Me who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the Me who sent Me. I have come as light into the world that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." John 14:6 Trinitarian/God incarnate translation: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to Me, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known Me also; from now on you know Me and have seen Me." "The words I speak are not my own but the Father's." John 8:28 Trinitarian/God incarnate translation: "The words I speak are not my own but my own." “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'” Mark 10:18 Trinitarian/God incarnate translation: "And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but me alone.'" "And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt." Mark 14:35-36 Trinitarian/God incarnate translation: "And he went forward a little and fell on the ground and prayed [to Himself] that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, Myself, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what I will." "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,' My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'" Matthew 27:46 Trinitarian/God incarnate translation: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, 'Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?" Anyway, there are many good arguments that a Trinitarian/God incarnate view of Jesus make the New Testament all but incomprehensible.

If anything, 1 John 5 supports the Non-trinity view...that they (the witnesses) are not one!! All 1 John 5 is saying is that it takes two and/or three witnessess, in agreement, to conclude a truth and then lists the three or two; whichever translation you want to read. IT IS SPEAKING OF WITNESSES NOT THE TRINITY. For heaven's sake, verse 5 states, "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" Jesus is the SON SON SON of God. What is so hard to understand about the word, SON? You either believe that Jesus is the SON of God or you believe in the Trinity, but you can't believe in both. (KJV) Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. 1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

God can not lie. Jesus said that God was grater than he was. God said that he was sending HIS Son. How is it that God is the Father, Jesus is the Son. What is the Holy Ghost? If Jesus was correct by saying That God was greater, How is it that he made no meantion of the holy Ghost; both of them should been grater, since jesus was in the flesh. for more help, Email adl502@aol.com

The Bible teaches that Jesus is the son of God. John himself tells us that these things were written so that we would know that Jesus is the son of God. (John 20:31; Mat 16:15-16; Heb 1:1-2; Mat 14:33; 1John 4:14-15) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2020:31;%20Mat%2016:15-16;%20Heb%201:1-2;%20Mat%2014:33;%201John%204:14-15&version=NASB;NKJV;YLT;ESV;KJV In the 1st century, Christians thought that the Father was the only true God. (John 17:3; 1Cor 8:5,6)http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:3;1Cor8:5-6;1Cor11:3;John14:28;1Cor15:27-28;&version=NASB;YLT;HCSB;DARBY;NLT; Almost everyone knows that 1John 5:7 was a late addition to the Bible by someone trying to prove the Trinity. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John5:7-8;&version=NIV;HCSB;NKJV;NLT;NASB; . If you notice, it is not in the older manuscripts. http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/7025764 . For understanding on John 1:1 and the usage of "god" such as in the case of Moses and the judges in Israel in the Bible see: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5839902

thsi is speculation on the watchtowers part 1 john 5 and 7 is true also jesus said it himeself John 10:30 that He and the father are 1 equal and the Holyspirit is a person of that godhead not a force. Thats Why the Apostle Paul wrote before the textus receptus and the 3rd and 4th century writer wrote. Who being in the form of God(Jesus) thought it not robbery to be equal with God (HERE Where Jehovahs error in the deity) but made no reputation to himself left his equality and throne with God to take on the form of a servant and was in the likeness of man. Jehovahs witness see that Jesus was a man and came from heaven burt fail to see that he was equal with God. vrs 8 he relinquished his glory that he had because he was deity and became in a fashion of man thats why he humbled himself and prayed in his earthy body to the father because he stepped down to become like us. Because he became man did not remove his position in his deity but he had to come to take our sins or God the Faher Son and Holy spirit would had to destroy the earth because man was wicked. 1 john 1 2:2 says that eternal life was with the Father well we know that Jesus is the way to eternal life because he is God not a god Three seperat functions in one body just like a human body. Spirit soul body in one person just like Father Son Holyghost in one person they word together not seperate