From the perspective of an outsider, it seems to me that the only cancer invading American society is that of politcal hatred.

Well I guess we liberals think that a movement against human rights for a group of people should never have been voted on. There was no violation of human rights in Obama's campaign or election. How else do you propose that the president be selected if not through election?

So basically, you're saying you're a Conservative if you voted for Mccain and Liberal if you voted for OBAMA. How can anybody Categorize that as true.

I say if people don't like democracy they can leave. California did the right thing to vote on Prop 8, but lots of people seem to think it was unlawful! If you don't like democracy, then go to North Korea!

Who cares? You should be happy you even GET to have that argument! There are places where you might get shot if you even mention something about the government, ... apparently.

In case you've forgotten, that's kind of the point of our whole political system. If someone does something you disagree with, you can get involved and try to stop it or, in this instance, to reverse it because it is unconstitutional. In the case of Proposition 8, forces from outside the state of California, namely the Mormons, were financially instrumental in getting that piece of crap hate-bill passed. How would you like it if a group of people that you hate, such as the liberals in your particular case, came waltzing merrily into your state and spent millions of dollars to change the way you want things to run? You'd be pretty pissed off, wouldn't you? Talk about being hypocritical.

You summed it up better than I could state it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ

Maybe you didn't hear about this: "In the end, Protect Marriage estimates, as much as half of the nearly $40 million raised on behalf of the measure was contributed by Mormons." The Mormon Church is headquartered in Utah. "November 15, 2008 - Mormons Tipped Scale in Ban on Gay Marriage By JESSE McKINLEY and KIRK JOHNSON SACRAMENTO — Less than two weeks before Election Day, the chief strategist behind a ballot measure outlawing same-sex marriage in California called an emergency meeting here. “We’re going to lose this campaign if we don’t get more money,” the strategist, Frank Schubert, recalled telling leaders of Protect Marriage, the main group behind the ban. The campaign issued an urgent appeal, and in a matter of days, it raised more than $5 million, including a $1 million donation from Alan C. Ashton, the grandson of a former president of the Mormon Church. The money allowed the drive to intensify a sharp-elbowed advertising campaign, and support for the measure was catapulted ahead; it ultimately won with 52 percent of the vote. As proponents of same-sex marriage across the country planned protests on Saturday against the ban, interviews with the main forces behind the ballot measure showed how close its backers believe it came to defeat — and the extraordinary role Mormons played in helping to pass it with money, institutional support and dedicated volunteers. “We’ve spoken out on other issues, we’ve spoken out on abortion, we’ve spoken out on those other kinds of things,” said Michael R. Otterson, the managing director of public affairs for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as the Mormons are formally called, in Salt Lake City. “But we don’t get involved to the degree we did on this.” The canvass work could be exacting and highly detailed. Many Mormon wards in California, not unlike Roman Catholic parishes, were assigned two ZIP codes to cover. Volunteers in one ward, according to training documents written by a Protect Marriage volunteer, obtained by people opposed to Proposition 8 and shown to The New York Times, had tasks ranging from “walkers,” assigned to knock on doors; to “sellers,” who would work with undecided voters later on; and to “closers,” who would get people to the polls on Election Day. Suggested talking points were equally precise. If initial contact indicated a prospective voter believed God created marriage, the church volunteers were instructed to emphasize that Proposition 8 would restore the definition of marriage God intended. But if a voter indicated human beings created marriage, Script B would roll instead, emphasizing that Proposition 8 was about marriage, not about attacking gay people, and about restoring into law an earlier ban struck down by the State Supreme Court in May. On Oct. 28, Mr. Ashton, the grandson of the former Mormon president David O. McKay, donated $1 million. Mr. Ashton, who made his fortune as co-founder of the WordPerfect Corporation, said he was following his personal beliefs and the direction of the church. “I think it was just our realizing that we heard a number of stories about members of the church who had worked long hours and lobbied long and hard,” he said in a telephone interview from Orem, Utah. In the end, Protect Marriage estimates, as much as half of the nearly $40 million raised on behalf of the measure was contributed by Mormons." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15marriage.html?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

I agree with you that this is hypocritical. But there's no way I'm going to be roped into the shrill and shallow screaming matches between liberals and conservatives... both are cancers, at the far end of the spectrum, because both have turned off their ears and are now reproducing wildly without concern for the health of the organism as a whole. As for Prop 8, it was an evil piece of legislation -- a move backwards for justice and equality, an insult to the constitution. In time, that will get worked out. Patience, not hysteria, is needed.

They also said that dissent was the highest form of patriotism, now they try to shut down any criticism of the President. If it weren't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.

+2 points! SLAM DUNK my friend! It appear's that as long as you agree with a liberal's perspective everything will be just fine! Don't agree well that needs another vote.

There is a HUGE difference between electing a President [which should be done with a popular vote] and deciding which citizens get equal rights [which should never be subject to a vote]. It's too bad that you're too blind to be able to tell the difference.

If it weren't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.