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basically, they are the same thing, not in any metaphorical sense. i guess its like a pebble is the same as the earths crust, but as you cant see the whole of the earths crust, you focus your attention on the pebble. i think...so your question is like asking "how do people beget their co-eternal (in lifespan terms), co-existing left thumb :)
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I'll presume U leave Us with so little information about Ur question for a purpose??? Well, that leaves Ur meanings up to our interpretations. So, I'll presume Ur question is something along the lines of "How can Christ being Co-Equal & Eternal with God & the Holy Spirit, having no beginning or end, suddenly be 'Created'???" We in this verse are talking about His Humanity of course having a "Beginning & End" in our "Time Frame of Reference" running consecutively in His "Supernatural Existence". John
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I can show you what the Bible says about this. According to the scriptures Jesus was God's FIRST creation, and was involved in the creation of everything else. (Colossians 1:15-16) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible. . . (Hebrews 1:2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. This puts Jesus in a unique position. Thus, the bible calls him the 'only begotten son'. He is the only being created by God alone. "Co-eternal"? This is a church teaching, but you'll find no support for it in the Bible. Below, are a number of scriptures that I hope will help to clarify the position of Jesus. (Hebrews 5:8) . . .Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered; 1. Being 'Omniscient', God would not 'learn' anything. 2. Who would 'God' need to be 'obedient' to? (Luke 22:42) . . .saying: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Jesus, in this verse, places his Father's wishes above his own. This rather obviously indicates that they are not the same person. (1 Timothy 2:5) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, The Bible says Jesus is the 'mediator' between God and men. A mediator is the person 'in the middle', Jesus couldn't 'mediate' between God and men, if Jesus himself was God. me·di·ate Pronunciation: ˈmÄ“-dÄ“-É™t 1: occupying a middle position (John 17:3) 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. If Jesus is God, why did he say, (in prayer), that we must take in knowledge of "the Only True God" AND the one he sent forth, Jesus Christ? Millions of people have been taught that they must accept that Jesus is God, as a matter of faith. Faith in what? Church dogma? If a person's faith is based solely on the Bible, there's no reason to accept this teaching.
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Here U go: DOCTRINE OF THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST A. Definition. 1. Jesus Christ is eternal God. As a member of the Trinity, He always existed. There never was a time when He did not exist. 2. He is coequal and coeternal with the Father and the Spirit, Col 1:15. In eternity past, Jesus Christ had the same essence as the Father and Spirit. 3. In time He still had the same functions of deity, but He also became true humanity. Therefore, He is unique. B. The Syllogism of Deity. 1. A syllogism is a logical formula consisting of two premises and a conclusion, a major and minor premise plus a conclusion, derived from deductive reasoning. 2. Following this formula: the Trinity is eternal. Christ is a member of the Trinity. Therefore, Christ is eternal. C. Scriptural Documentation. 1. Mic 5:2 says Jesus Christ is eternal God during the incarnation. 2. Jn 1:1-3, "In a beginning which was not a beginning there existed the Word [Jesus Christ]." 3. Jn 8:58, "Before Abraham was born, I had always existed." 4. Rom 9:5, "Jesus Christ is over all" (because He is God). 5. Tit 2:13 "the great God and our Savior." 6. In Heb 1:8-10, the Father says, "Your throne, O God [Jesus Christ]." 7. 1 Jn 5:20, "this One is the true God and eternal life." D. The preincarnate work of Jesus Christ indicates He was God. He is the creator of the universe, Jn 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:10. He had to be God to preexist all other creatures. E. The doctrine of divine decrees proves the deity of Christ. Christ is identified with the divine decrees so as to be God, Ps 2:7-9, 22:1-6; 40; 110. F. The Hebrew word JHWH is one of the titles for Jesus Christ. The Jews never pronounced the word. Instead they said Adonai, which means deity. Elohim (plural) refers to the Trinity. JHWH is used for Jesus Christ in Isa 9:6-7, 40:3; Jer 23:5-6; Zech 12:10. G. The essence of God is ascribed to Jesus Christ. 1. Savior, Ps 2:6; Mt 28:18; Acts 2:36; 2 Pet 1:11; Rev 19:16. 2. Perfect righteousness and justice = holiness, Lk 1:35; Jn 6:69; Heb 7:26. 3. Love, Jn 13:1, 34; 1 Jn 3:16. 4. Eternal life, Isa 9:6; Micah 5:2; Jn 1:1, 8:58; Col 1:16-17; Eph 1:4; Rev 1:11. 5. Omniscience, Mt 9:4; Jn 2:25; 1 Cor 4:5; Col 2:3; Rev 2:23 6. Omnipresence, Mt 28:20; Eph 1:23; Col 1:27. 7. Veracity, Jn 14:6; Rev 3:7 8. Omnipotence, Rev 1:8. 9. Jesus Christ did not suppress His deity in the incarnation; this is the false doctrine of kenosis. Instead, He gave up the independent use of His divine attributes. H. Appearances of Christ in History. 1. Theophanies (before the First Advent). a. As a man, Gen 18, 32:24-32. b. As a phenomena of nature, Ex 40:38, 33:9-23, 3:2ff, 25:22; Acts 7:30. c. As the angel of JHWH, Gen 16:7-18, 22:11-18, 31:11ff. Christ is said to be the angel of JHWH in Gen 24:7, 40; Ex 23:20, 32:34; 1 Chron 21:15-18; Isa 63:9; Zech 1:12-13. Because Christ is always the visible member of the Trinity, He never appears as the angel of JHWH after the First Advent, Jn 6:46, 1:18; 1 Tim 6:16. 2. Christophanies were post-resurrection appearances. 3. The First and Second Advents. Phil 2:6 "who though He existed in the essence of God, He did not think equality with God a gain to be seized."
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