• That would seem logical, wouldn't it? And if that's the case, how can we ever "do wrong" if we're simply conforming to God's will? Mmm. I sure do love a tasty serving of contradiction.
    • Jenny_Rizzo
      I don't mean to spoil your contradiction, but that's why we have an "intercessor" who can lead us closer to God. Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."
  • Yeah...a lot of people have a problem with predestination. Who believes in that again? The Calvinists? I think it was them. Anyway, whoever it was they weren't tolerated along with the other Protestants in post-Thirty Years War Germany because of it. Or something like that... It's all because God is supposed to be omnipotent, which means that, not only can he do everything, he also knows everything that will ever happen. So, that must mean that he knows who is going to hell or heaven. That's all in the Bible apparently. 'Cept for the hell part. I'm pretty sure that's a human invention. Soooo...that kinda makes the whole thing meaningless.
  • we all have choices, so i guess that sort of rules out the whole God thing anyways...
  • The relationship between predestination and election is one that has been debated down the centuries by different parts of the Christian church. It would seem that, despite them seeming contradictory to our minds, both are true. It is one of those things like the nature of light (is it particle or wave, or is it both?) that we just have to wait to understand. Instead of trying to understand it, think of it from this angle. What is real is that God is ultimately in control. Nothing is outside of his power. That is a comfort for us living on a world where things often seem out of control. What is also real is that God does not want anyone to perish (the Bible says that) and that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. That means that you and I and anyone can be saved, even though both predestination and election are true.
  • First one would have to define/understand what 'Time' means in the sense that God might implement it....then we could decide if we are within that time or outside of it...
  • Actually yes I believe we are predestined to go to heaven or hell. And I believe that no matter where we are predestined to go that everyone is put here on earth for a reason or God wouldnt have put us here.
  • that bastard, he told me it was a rough sketch.
  • I believe so...
  • Nope. Having a "plan" does not mean "it's done." In much the same way as having a movie script does not mean the movie will be an "oscar" material. God may write the script, but it's your acting that gets judged.
  • probably
  • If God purposes to save a person, He will accomplish His purpose every time through Christ: "All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." (John 6:37) The question you should've asked: "Who comes to Christ nowadays?" Therefore, the decisions we make is already written.
  • My humble take is predestination I think was first formulated by St. Augustine of North Africa in the early 100s of Christianity . My take is if one is saved then one can just presume it was predestination. Please note this theological concept never mentions a time period. Ergo one could be saved in their last days and claim it was predestination. So to me that means anyone can say in retrospect it was predetermined they were saved . Is this clear? Does this make any sense?
  • By “master plan”, are you referring to the Kingdom of God existing on earth? (Mat 6:10, Dan 2:44). If so, then we are not predestined. Each of us can choose to benefit from the blessings of God’s Kingdom, or we can opt out (Deu 30:19).

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