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No, they are equal but they are not parts. God is not subdivided, and although there are three Persons, there is only one God. Each Person is separately God--and not one third of God, either, but God. And the Holy Trinity is also God. Every possible objection to the Trinity was already thought up, and refuted from Scripture, by the end of the fourth century. The conclusion is that we can't understand it because of our human limitations, but we have to believe it. Nobody believes in the Trinity because it sounds so sensible, or because he wants to; we believe in it because the more deeply we study it the more convinced we are that it is Scriptural.
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They are one. They are not divided. They are one Spirit. Alpha, Omega, Beginning, and the end.
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I believe that Roger is referring to the teachings of Tertullian who came along around 150BC. His thoughts concerning the Godhead were first that there were only 2 in the Godhead, making him a dualist. But after his affiliation with the Montanists, who stressed the work of the Holy Ghost, Tertullian included the HG into his godhead doctrine and coined the term trinity. Here are some examples from Tertullians book "Against Hermogenes"... That God was not yet Father before the time in which He begat the Son. The Son was not eternal. The Son was the Word and was Wisdom. He was "born and created" of the Father, making the Father stronger, older and more noble than the Son. Tertullian wrote of a "Trinity." He said that God consisted of "three persons". These three persons were the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. God is "one only substance in three coherent, inseparable (Persons)" He said that the three persons were three "beings" making up one God He said that the Father and the Son were "two different Beings" They were "distinct but not separate" He said the Son was "another" Tertullian taught the doctrine of subordinationism. This teaches that the Son is inferior to the Father. And he said The Holy Spirit was inferior to both the Son and the Father. He wrote that the Son and the Spirit "have the second and third places assigned to them. He taught that the Father and Son were both God, but when speaking of them together, one must call the Father God and call the Son Lord. "The Father is... greater than the Son" He wrote that the Son is merely "a portion of the whole Godhead.". When He heard the modalists speak of his attempts to divide the substance of God, Tertullian replied that even the angels "are naturally members of the Father's substance". And if angels could exist and be of the Father's substance but yet not destroy His oneness, why should the existence of the Son and Spirit destroy His oneness? (Jaroslav Pelikan, The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition (100-600), vol. 1 of The Christian Tradition: A Hisotry of the Development of Doctrine (Chicago: University of Chicago Press 1971) 105.) Tertullian did not believe what trinitarians today believe. Modern trinitarians believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are coequal. Tertullian believed the Son and Spirit were progressively inferior to the Father. Tertullian believed that the Father was eternal, but the Son was not. He said the Father was not the Father until the Son came into existence at a point before creation. Trinitarians today believe that the Son and Father were both eternal, and that the Son eternally comes forth from the Father. He taught that the persons had a beginning and that they would also have an ending! He said, "The Monarchy... remains so firm and stable in its own state, notwithstanding the introduction into it of the Trinity, that the Son actually has to restore it entire to the Father" Modern Trinitarians disagree and believe there will be no end to the existence of the Son and the Holy Ghost. Tertullian believed the Word was originally not a person. This agreed with the Greek Apologists's ideas. Both Tertullian and the Greek Apologists believed that the Son became personal when he was begotten. "Before all things God was alone... yet even not then was He alone; for He had with Him that which he possessed in Himself, that is to say, His own Reason.... God had not Word from the beginning, but he had Reason even before the beginning....For although God had not yet sent out His Word, He still had Him within Himself". Tertullian said that Word was begotten in Gen 1:3 "The Word also Himself assume[d] His own form and glorious garb, His own sound and vocal utterance, when God says, 'Let there be light.' This is the perfect nativity of the Word, when He proceeds forth from God -- formed by Him first....then afterwards begotten". Apparently, Tertullian even believed that each of the three beings, or persons of the Godhead, had a body since he said that all spirit beings have a body. This brings him incredibly close to tritheism - the belief in three gods. "For who will deny that God is a Body, although 'God is a Spirit?' For Spirit has a bodily substance of its own kind, in its own form....Whatever, therefore, was the substance of the Word that I designate a Person, I claim for it the name of Son". Modern Trinitarians do not accept this view, although this view was proposed by the man who began the Trinity doctrine. You can see that although this doctrine was taught early after Christ death, it contains many heresies, and it also isnt fair to say that the modern trinity was established 1100 years BEFORE the council of Trent.
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there are some questions that can not be answered with our level of understanding, its obviouse that the son preyed to the father and the holy ghost but they are still one. it doesnt follow our logic but you know wut they say 'if our God was small enuff for oour understanding, he wouldnt be big enuff for our problems'
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yes they are three equal parts of god. jews are wrong saying that god is one. christians believe god is not one but three.
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The trinity means three or tri, God is the father , Jesus is the son who is interceding for us with the father and the spirit is what we get when we follow jesus and do the will of the father
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Here is what Scripture teaches on it. Enjoy! John DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY A. Definition. 1. The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. It is a technical theological word coined in the fourth century A.D. to describe a theological concept. 2. The doctrine of the trinity recognizes God as being one in essence but three persons who possess equal, perfect, eternal and infinite identical essence. 3. Therefore, trinity is used to describe three persons in one Godhead. There is only one divine nature or being. 4. This divine being is tripersonal, involving distinctions between the Father, Son, and Spirit. These three persons are joint partakers of exactly the same nature and majesty of God. 5. There is one true God, but in the unity of the Godhead there are three coequal, coeternal persons. They are the same in substance or essence, but distinct in subsistence or continuing in existence. 6. The trinity is a revealed doctrine. It embodies truth never discovered; hence, it is undiscoverable by natural reason. 7. Since each person of the Trinity has the same essence, God is described as one. But they are different as persons. 8. Distinctions are made between the members of the Trinity, as described in 2 Cor 13:14. "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God [the Father] and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you." 9. The word "trinity" was first used by Tertullian in the second century to designate a Biblical doctrine. The doctrine of the trinity was confirmed by the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325. After much controversy, including the heresy of Arius, Sabellius, and Paul of Samosata, they finally came to a correct understanding of the doctrine. 10. Therefore, the doctrine of the trinity is defined as: God is one in essence but three coequal, coeternal, and coinfinite persons. 11. When divine essence is the subject, God is said to be one. When divine persons are the subject, distinction is made between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 12. For this reason we have different Hebrew names for God. The plural noun Elohim implies more than one person in the Godhead. The singular noun JHWH (Adonai, Jahweh, or Jehovah) is used to distinguish between the persons. Elohim emphasizes the one essence of God. Jehovah emphasizes one person in the Trinity, usually God the Son. B. Scripture Verification. 1. The plural pronoun for God, Elohim, is used in Gen 1:26, 3:22, "Let us make man," and in Isa 6:8, "Whom shall I send and who will go for us?" 2. Ps 110:1, "The Lord [God the Father] said to my [David's] Lord [God the Son]." 3. The distinction is delineated in Ps 2:7, "I will announce the decree of the Lord [God the Father]. He said to Me [God the Son], `You are My Son [deity of Jesus Christ]. This day [day of incarnation] I have begotten You.'" This is quoted three times in the New Testament, in Acts 13:33, Heb 1:5, and Heb 5:5. 4. Isa 48:16, "Come near to Me; listen to this. From the first, I have not spoken in secret. From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God [God the Father] has sent Me [God the Son], and His Spirit [God the Holy Spirit]." 5. Mt 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples [Bible students] of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." This is a reference to the pre-Canon period of the Church Age in which water baptism was practiced to illustrate the baptism of the Holy Spirit by the use of ritual. 6. In Jn 10:30, Jesus said to the crowd, "I and the Father are one." He was referring to divine essence. The Father and the Son are two distinct persons in the Godhead, but they have identical essence. 7. Jn 14:16, "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever." The next verse explains that the Counselor is said to be "the Spirit of truth; He abides with you and He will be in you." 8. Thomas called Jesus both Lord and God when he saw Him in His resurrection body. Jn 20:28, "Thomas answered and said to Him, `My Lord, My God.'" 9. 1 Cor 12:4-6, "There are a variety of spiritual gifts, but the same Holy Spirit. And there are a variety of ministries [opportunities for Christian service], but the same Lord [God the Son]. And there are many different kinds of activities, but the same God [God the Father], who works all of them in all persons." 10. 2 Cor 13:14, "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." 11. 1 Pet 1:2, "According to the foreknowledge of God [the Father] by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ." 12. Rev 1:4-6, "John, to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and prosperity from Him who is [present state of the glorified Christ at the right hand of the Father], who has always existed [Jesus Christ as eternal God prior to the Hypostatic Union], who is to come [Second Advent], and from the seven spirits before the throne [God the Holy Spirit as the power system in both Christocentric dispensations], and from Jesus Christ, the dependable witness, the first formed from the dead, also the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and has liberated us from our sins by means of His blood, and He has provided for us a royal power as priests to God, even the Father." C. Though one in essence, God is three in persons. 1. In the doctrine of the unity of God, there is only one essence or substance. 2. In the doctrine of the persons of the Godhead, the individuality of the Father, Son, and Spirit is preserved against the notion that there are only modes of God. The idea of modes of God is a false doctrine dating back to the fourth century. It implies that one God has various modes for various purposes in dealing with man, whether in creation or at salvation. That is a false doctrine. 3. God is one, yet in Himself, and from all eternity past, He is three separate and distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. 4. Argumentation for the trinity begins in Genesis with the use of plural pronouns for God. a. Gen 1:26, "Let us make man in our image." Therefore, more than one person in the Godhead is involved. b. Gen 3:22, "Then the Lord God said, `Behold, man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.'" c. Isa 6:8, Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, `Whom shall I [God the Father] send, and who will go for us ?'" 5. When a distinction is made between the persons of the Trinity, it refers to a specific activity of specific persons in the Godhead. a. 1 Thes 1:2-3, "We give thanks to God [God the Father] always for you, making mention of you in our prayers, constantly bearing in mind your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of God our Father." So distinction is made between the Father and Son. They have identical essence, but they are two separate and distinct persons. b. 1 Pet 1:2, "According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ." c. Tit 3:5, "He [Jesus Christ] saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit." Distinction is made between our Lord Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit. d. Tit 3:6, "Whom He [God the Father] poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior." e. 2 Tim 1:13-14, "Retain the standard of sound doctrine which you have heard from me in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. Guard through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us the treasures which have been entrusted to you [the deposit of Bible teaching]." 6. However, Jesus Christ is the only visible member of the Trinity, Jn 1:18, 6:46; 1 Tim 3:16; 1 Jn 4:12. D. The Distinctive Function of the Trinity. 1. While the Bible distinguishes between the members of the Trinity, it refers to the activity of specific persons in the Godhead. 2. All three members of the Trinity provided salvation. a. God the Father planned salvation according to Isa 14:27; Jn 4:34, 5:17, 12:44; 1 Cor 8:6; Eph 3:11. b. God the Son executed salvation on the cross, Jn 4:34, 5:17; 1 Pet 2:24, 3:18; Rom 5:8; Heb 10:7. c. God the Holy Spirit reveals the message of salvation. Under the doctrine of common grace, He makes the Gospel perspicuous, Jn 16:8-11. 3. Each person of the Trinity indwells the body of every Church Age believer. Distinction is made between them. a. The indwelling of God the Father is found in Jn 14:23; Eph 4:6; 2 Jn 9. b. God the Son indwells us according to Jn 14:20, 17:22-23; Rom 8:10; 2 Cor 13:5; Gal 2:20; Col 1:27; 1 Jn 2:24. c. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is found in Rom 8:11; 1 Cor 3:16, 6:19-20; 2 Cor 6:16. d. Only in this unique Church Age does God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit indwell us. 4. Each person of the Godhead provides divine power for the function of the protocol plan. a. The omnipotence of God the Father is related to our portfolio of invisible assets. He is also the designer of the divine dynasphere. b. The omnipotence of God the Son is related to the preservation of the universe as well as the perpetuation of human history. c. The omnipotence of God the Holy Spirit is related to residence, function, and momentum inside the divine dynasphere. E. Though three in persons, God is one in essence. 1. There is one God, yet three who possess every attribute of deity equally, perfectly, and eternally. 2. There is a unity of essence and a plurality of persons belonging to the same divine being. 3. The persons of the Godhead are not separate and independent beings, such as Peter, James, and John; but three persons with identical essence eternally and inseparably united as one in essence. 4. They are three individuals, Father, Son and Spirit, yet one God. Neither is God without the other, and each with the other is God. 5. God is one in essence yet three distinct persons, and these persons have identical substance. F. Illustrations of the Trinity. 1. The illustration given in the Bible is that God is light. a. 1 Jn 1:5. "And this is the message which we have heard from Him and we communicate to you, that God is light and in Him there is no darkness." b. Jn 1:5, "The light shined in darkness, and the darkness did not overpower it." c. Jn 8:12, "Again therefore Jesus spoke to them saying, `I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life.'" d. 1 Tim 6:16, "Who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen nor can see, to Him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." 2. Light can be regarded from two different viewpoints. a. Light can be regarded from the standpoint of the colors in the spectrum which illustrate the essence of God. (1) Every ray of light from the sun is pure white, and yet it contains all the colors of the spectrum in light waves or particles of light. Particles of light operate on different waves, which is how we see color. (2) All color in the world depends on light. When all light is reflected from an object, the object is white. When light is absorbed in an object, the object is black. (3) Every ray of light has three primary colors: red, yellow, and blue. When a ray of light strikes an object so that the red and yellow are absorbed, the color reflected is blue. If the yellow and blue are absorbed, its color is red. (4) So when a ray of light strikes any object, certain parts are absorbed and certain parts are reflected. (5) The secondary colors are orange, green, and purple. Red plus yellow equal orange. Blue plus yellow equal green. Blue plus red equal purple. (6) Therefore, every color is in every ray of light. What colors are absorbed determine the color of an object as it reflects that light. (7) So light from the standpoint of color illustrates the essence of God. For just as God is one, light is one. However, light has many colors, just as God has many different attributes in His essence. Under certain conditions, you see certain attributes of God. b. Light can also be regarded from the standpoint of its composition. Light is one substance, but it is composed of three different properties: actinic, luminiferous, and calorific. (1) Actinic is a ray of light of short wavelengths that produces photochemical effects. Actinic is neither seen nor felt, a perfect illustration of God the Father. (2) Luminiferous is light produced by the emission of light occurring at a temperature below that of incandescent bodies. Luminiferous is both seen and felt, a perfect illustration of God the Son. (3) Calorific is light converted into heat. Calorific is not seen but felt, a perfect illustration of God the Holy Spirit. (4) Therefore, the composition of light is analogous to the three persons in the Godhead who are one. Light is one with three properties. God is one in essence but three persons. 3. Another illustration of the Trinity, not as good, is an egg. The yoke, white, shell are three parts, but there is only one egg. G. The Concept of the Trinity. 1. God is one in essence or substance. 2. God is three coequal, coeternal, and coinfinite persons in that one essence. 3. When divine essence is the subject, God is revealed as one. When divine persons are the subject, God is revealed as three separate and distinct persons. 4. In the unity of God, there is only one essence or one substance. 5. In the persons of the Godhead, there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. 6. 2 Cor 13:14, "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [God the Son], and the love for God [the Father], and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you." 7. Eph 4:4-6, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called with reference to one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God, even the Father of all." The subject of this paragraph in Eph 4 is unity among the royal family of God. Verses 4-6 teach that just as there is unity in the Trinity, so in principle there is unity in the body of Christ. Verse 4 teaches there is "one Spirit. Verse 5 teaches there is "one Lord." Verse 6 teaches there is "one God, the Father of all." H. Summary of the Doctrine of the Trinity. 1. Trinity is not a Biblical word, but a technical, theological term to designate the three-fold manifestation of one God as Father, Son, and Spirit. 2. God is one in essence who exists eternally in three distinct, coequal, coeternal persons. 3. God is one, Gal 3:20; Jas 2:19. 4. But the Son (Jn 1:1, 14:9; Col 2:9) and the Spirit (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Cor 3:16) are also fully God, yet they are distinct from the Father and from each other. 5. The unified equality and yet distinction is seen in the triactic references to three persons, as noted in 2 Cor 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1 Pet 1:2. 6. The Old Testament reveals a plurality of persons in the divine name of Elohim, as well as in the plural pronouns of Gen 1:26 and 11:7, the plural verbs of Gen 11:7 and 35:7, the identity of the angel of the Lord as God in Ex 3:2-6 and Jud 13:21-22, and the references to the Spirit in Gen 1:2 and Isa 63:10. These all add up to the fact that God is one in essence but three separate and distinct personalities.
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no they're not parts they are all 100% God.
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Here's my take: it's one "person" Just like your mom is one person, but she has many roles...Mom, employee, nurse when you're sick, teacher when you need help, cook, gardener.... Jesus is God in a human costume-like take your kid to work day, God wanted to see what it was like to be human. The Holy Spirit is the part of God that lives within us; the inteligence, the feeling that everythings going to be ok. the higher part of us. The Holy Spirit leads us to God. God is the genius, the unemotional part.
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I think the problem is that people do not understand the essence of the word "one" which is used to describe G-d's "Oneness" in the Torah and Tanakh. In Hebrew there is ECHAD and YECHID. Yechid is "one", but it is a compound unity. In essence everything in the material universe is yechid, or a compound unity, with the notable exception of individual elementary particles, such as photons, neutrons, electrons, etc. Grapes are an excellent example. A cluster of grapes is yechid - one cluster of grapes. A grape is yechid. One grape made up of skin, meat, juice, seeds, etc. Echad is ONE. No compound unity. No not ever. Look here: Devarim 6:4 - SHMY YSR'L YHWH 'LHYN YHWH 'HD! (this is the original unappointed hebrew) Devarim 6:4 - Shema Yisrael HaShem Eloheinu HaShem Echad! (Appointed Hebrew) Deut. 6:4 - Hear O' Israel, The Lord is G-d!, The Lord is One! (English) This is a direct testament to G-d being ONE, not a compound one, but ONE. If there is a Trinity, it is not a divided or segregated Trinity. It is a whole unit. ~ Aryeh
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2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Galatians 1:11-12 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible was "breathed out" by God. Galatians 1: 11-12 tells us that the gospel was a revelation from Jesus Christ himself, which was recorded by Jesus disciples and Paul. God himself chose the disciples and the people whom He knew were going to spread His word and write the Bible. The Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 4000 years. Despite being penned by different authors over 40 centuries, the Bible does not contradict itself and does not contain any errors. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). In John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" The above verse speaks a lot about who Jesus really is. All about Jesus and the Holy Trinity explained in the below website. http://jesustrinity.blogspot.com Lots of videos, sermons, songs are also present, along with all of Jesus miracles, his parables, and questions on his birth, crucifixion, resurrection are answered. Many major questions on Christianity are answered with lot of examples that cannot be denied by anyone, such as, 1) Did Jesus really exist? Is He God? Why did He suffer on the Cross? 2) What is so special about Jesus? Why cant I just view him as an ordinary man or a teacher or a prophet? Why should I see him as God? Pasting a small part from the website. Visit the website to strengthen your faith in Jesus or to know more about Him. Jesus is God. 1.Thomas calls Jesus God in John 20:28 (Note, Thomas addresses Jesus specifically.) 2. Jesus is God in Heb. 1:8 3. John the apostle states that Jesus was the Word which was God that became flesh (John 1:1-14) 4. The phrase "Call upon the name of the LORD" (Hebrew, YHWH, i.e., Psalm 116:4) used only of God on the OT, and translated into the Greek in the LXX as "Call upon the name of the LORD (greek, KURIOS)," applied to Jesus in the NT (1 Cor. 1:2) Jesus is God in flesh 5. The apostle John says that Jesus was , "…calling God His own Father, making Himself equal to God," (John 5:18) 6. Jesus said that He and the Father are One (John 10:30), that caused the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was making Himself out to be God. 7. Jesus knew all things (John 21:17) 8. Jesus knew all men (John 16:30) 9. Jesus is everywhere (Matt. 28:20) 10. Jesus Christ, dwells in you (Col. 1:27) 11. Jesus is the exact representation of the Nature of God (Heb. 1:3) 12. Jesus is eternal (Micah 5:1-2) 13. Jesus gives eternal life (John 10:27-28) 14. Jesus is our only Lord and Master (Jude 4) 15. Jesus is called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) 16. Jesus is called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) and "God" also be called the Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21 17. Jesus is able to raise Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21) 18. Jesus created all things (Col. 1:16-17), it is God who created all things by Himself (Isaiah 44:24) 19. Jesus searches the hearts and minds of the people (Rev. 2:23) 20. Jesus is worshiped (Matt. 2:2-11; Matt.14:33; Matt.28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6) Only God can be worshipped (Matt. 4:10) (same Greek word for worship is used in each place.) 21. In the OT God was seen (Exodus 6:2-3;Exodus 24:9-11; Num. 12:6-9; Acts7:2), yet no man can see God (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18). It was not the Father that was seen in the OT (John 6:46). Who, then were they seeing? See John 8:58. 22. Jesus claimed the divine name, "I AM", for Himself in John 8:58 see Exodus 3:14. 23. Jesus says you must honor him even as you honor the Father (John 5:23). 24. Jesus gives life (John 5:21). 25. Jesus bears witness of Himself (John 8:18;John 14:6). 26. Jesus is the One who will judge you on judgement day (John 5:22-23). Only God can be the judge. 27. Jesus forgives sins (Luke 5:20) (Luke 24:47,Acts 10:43) .Only God can forgive sins. http://jesustrinity.blogspot.com
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