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by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
I want you to show us Where in the Noble Quran Allah says that the three persons of the false christian Trinity dogma are the Father, Son, and the mother of Jesus !!?
No where.
Here is the verse you refer to in your question which is (Quran 5:116):
[116] "And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen)." [The Noble Quran 5:116].
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It is clear that Allah in the above verse states that some Christians (infact the majority: Catholics) also consider(ed) the mother of Jesus (PBUH) to have the same exact titles which belong to Jesus alone. They treat her as a Divine person and they pray to her.
In Roman Catholicism, Mary is more than human.
In the Catholic Religion it is stated that: "Mary...Is called Queen of Heaven (worshipping the "queen of heaven" is actually mentioned in Jeremiah 7:17-19 as worshipping another god), the All Holy One, the life, hope, way to God, The Mother of Mercy, Our Blessed Lady, Our Blessed Virgin...in fact, she is given the same exact titles which belong to Jesus alone—Life, Hope, the Way, Morningstar, etc and she has more names and titles than the Bible has for Jesus."
Why do Catholics Pray to Mary http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mary.htm
Do Catholics Worship the Mother Mary? And if they do, is it against God's Word?
http://www.biblestudysite.com/mary.htm
by Ahmed_225 on June 19th, 2009
quran doesn't say the persons of the trinity are father, son and Mary
but say that who worship Jesus or mary he will be in the hell
in another verses quran said (they disbelive who say god is one of three gods) he say nothing about the persons of trinity in this verse
by xhepera on June 19th, 2009
Islam does not in any way, shape or form accept the concept of a trinity or triune deity. Muslims believe that such a concept is a violation of the essential "oneness" of the godhead. I'm not saying that the view is correct or incorrect, only that in terms of Islam it would be blasphemous.
by Anonymous on June 18th, 2009
Some denominations of Christianity, Catholics I believe, pray to Mother Mary. They may perceive her simply as an intercessor, but in the eyes of Islam, it is the same as taking a God.
http://www.turnbacktogod.com/should-we-pray-to-virgin-mary/
http://www.wikihow.com/Pray-to-the-Virgin-Mary
by Cipher on August 7th, 2008
We can all assume that anyone subscribing to Islam will think the Koran does not contain a mistake and the passage you cite is correct.
by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on March 20th, 2011
who knows?...who cares???--they certainly don't.
by Bohemian is back on March 21st, 2011
It was written by an Arab tribesman, what can one expect? Apart from that even the Christian world is divided on the trinity so it is not entirely their fault.
by Usama on July 10th, 2009
The verse you have pointed out is
..................Then Allah will say : 'Isa(Jesus) son of Maryam(Mary), did you ever say to mankind: "Worship me and my mother as gods besides Allah"'
'Glory to You,' he will answer, 'How could I say that to which I have no right? If I had ever said so, you would have surely known it. you know what is in my mind but I can not tell what is in Yours...................
I think you have been reading the wrong Quran or the on you read was interpreted wrongly.
If you read the previous verses you will come to this point that Allah will one day gather all the apostles and ask Jesus if he ever told the world to worship him
by Vixi_V on March 20th, 2011
You lies only work on none Muslims and ill informed muslims. This is waht it says:
[5:116] GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.
clearly asking Jesus if he ever told people that he & his mother were equal to him :)
Good try, but a failed one
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And you know not one bit more about Christianity than Allah does. You're a bumbler.
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Mary was never held equal to Jesus, not even by the Catholics. Jeremiah is in the Old Testament and in 7:17-19 actually says making offerings to the mother of the heavens ( who was not Mary since she wouldn't have been born for another 500 years and more ) as a way to *PROVOKE* God.
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BTW, Morningstar is a synonym for SATAN, not Jesus.
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So you're sloppy. No big deal. Allah screwed that one up, too. I forgive you.
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by Ecclesiastes on June 19th, 2009
Study well the basics of your faith before you attemp to expose your blind faith.
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Here is the first step: Queen of Heaven http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Heaven
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NEWS BRIEF: "Among all the women who have ever lived, the mother of Jesus Christ is the most celebrated, the most venerated... Among Roman Catholics, the Madonna is recognized not only as the Mother of God, but also, according to modern Popes, as the Queen of the Universe, Queen of Heaven, Seat of Wisdom, and even the Spouse of the Holy Spirit." (Time Magazine, "Handmaid or Feminist?", December 30, 1991, p. 62-66). http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc109.htm
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Why do Catholics Pray to May http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mary.htm
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Do Catholics Worship the Mother Mary? And if they do, is it against God's Word?
http://www.biblestudysite.com/mary.htm
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
Amazing.
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First, you use the wrong wikipedia entry - here's the correct one for the mention in Jeremiah:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_heaven_(Antiquity)
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Then your second reference is to an article with the subtitle "THIS TITLE IS SHOCKING AND DEMONSTRATES THAT THE ORIGIN OF THE WORSHIP OF THE VIRGIN MARY IS PAGAN, NOT BIBLICAL". Yep, sounds like an Allah screw up again.
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Your third reference is a full explanation of how Mary is NOT considered equal to Jesus.
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Your fourth and final reference describes Mary being elevated above mere human status ... in 1854! Catholicism certainly wasn't considered to be the sole authority of what was and was not Christianity then.
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Perfect. All anyone has to do to realize you don't know what you are talking about is to read your very own references! I urge anyone following this thread to do exactly that.
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You and Allah, both bumblers.
by Ecclesiastes on June 19th, 2009
If you are a Catholic then you should know that Catholics pray to Mary unless you don't practice or don't trust your faith!.
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Yes your are in fact practicing Paganism, I thought you already know that!. You worship Jesus, Mary , the Holy spirit, The Father and even the Saints.
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The Trinity Doctrine Is Pagan!
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By Pastor G. Reckart, Pastor
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http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/trinity.html
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
Trinity
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Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching. http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_list.asp?pageID=3&discussionID=301455&messages_per_page=4
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Jesus never said 'I am God, worship me.'
Jesus never said 'I am God the Son'
Jesus never said 'I am God Manifested in flesh'
Jesus never said 'I am God the Word'
Jesus never said 'I am the Second God in Trinity'
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There is no word "Trinity" in the Bible in any version of any language!
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
If belief in the Trinity was such a necessary condition for being a Christian, why didn’t Jesus teach and emphasize it to the Christians during his time? How were those followers of Jesus considered Christians without ever hearing the term Trinity?
Had the Trinity been the spinal cord of Christianity, Jesus would have emphasized it on many occasions and would have taught and explained it in detail to the people.
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Remember that Jesus (PBUH) had spoken openly to the world and spoke nothing in secret as he said in the bible:
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“Jesus answered him, "I have spoken openly to the world; I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret.”[John 18:20]
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
According to the Catholics themselves....
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The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read:
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“Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
Historical Background of the Trinity
http://www.answering-christianity.com/trinityhistory.htm
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
The followings are quoted from the famously Catholic book “The Glories of Mary",
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•“St. Anselm, to increase our confidence, says this: ‘When we pray to the Mother of God we are heard more quickly than when we call directly on the name of Jesus—for her Son is not only our Lord but our Judge. But when we call upon the name of His Mother, though our own merits will not insure an answer, yet her merits intercede for us and we are answered’" (p. 85).
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•“But maybe His infinite Majesty frightens you…and you would like another advocate to intercede with Him. Then go to Mary and she will plead with her Son for you" (p. 123).
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•“Every prayer of hers is like an established law for the Lord, obliging him to be merciful to everyone for whom she intercedes" (p. 20, emphasis mine).
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by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
Read these further quotes about Mary from the famously Catholic book “The Glories of Mary."
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“The authority a mother has over her son is so great that, even though he is a monarch, with absolute dominion over all his subjects, she can never become her son’s subject" (p. 113).
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“At the command of Mary all obey, even God (emphasis mine). She is omnipotent, for the queen, according to all laws, enjoys the same privileges as the king…Therefore, to use the words of St. Antonine, God has put the whole church not only under the patronage, but even under the power and authority, of Mary. Since, then, the mother must have the same power as the Son, Mary became omnipotent because Jesus is omnipotent" (p. 114).
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by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 19th, 2009
"The Glories of Mary"?
Next you'll be citing "The Da Vinci Code".
Which means I can cite "Satanic Verses", eh? That's a famous Muslim book, you know.
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I'm Christian ... not Catholic.
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www.answering-christianity.com, an expressly anti-Christian website, is hardly a reference for what Christians believe. I don't recall citing www.answering-islam.com when examining what Muslims believe.
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The question was how are you going to explain away Allah naming Mary as part of, or equal to, God in Christian belief in the Koran, supposedly an eternal, "infallible" book in heaven. Is this your explanation? So, Allah is a sucker for wild-eyed Catholics or pagan descriptions of what Christians believe?
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Fine. I believe you. Allah is an idiot.
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by Ecclesiastes on June 19th, 2009
As I already adviced you..Educate yourself.
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"The Glories of Mary"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glories_of_Mary
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"The Glories of Mary is a classic book in the field of Roman Catholic Mariology, written during the 18th century by Saint Alphonsus Liguori, a Doctor of the Church."
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Also, here is a catholic website http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/glories6.htm
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
Quoting From a Catholic Books distributer http://www.catholiccompany.com/catholic-books/1002347/Glories-Mary/:
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"The Glories of Mary"
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"The Glories of Mary, widely regarded as Saint Alphonsus Liguori's finest masterpiece, has for two and a half centuries stood as one of the Catholic Church's greatest expressions of devotion to the Blessed Virgin. Written as a defense of Our Lady at a time when Jansenistic writers were ridiculing Marian devotion, this classic work combines numerous citations from the Fathers and Doctors of the Church with Saint Alphonsus' intense personal piety to produce a timeless treasury of teachings, prayers, and practices."
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
Quoting from The Catholic Pages Directory website
http://www.catholic-pages.com/bookrack/aquinasandmore.asp?SKU=1932
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"The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori (1696-1787) is one of the greatest Catholic books ever written. Actually, it is five complete books in one volume. Here the great Doctor of the Church has assembled the very finest information about Our Lady that he could find, all taken from the many writings of Saints, Doctors of the Church and other holy authors, as well as from Sacred Scripture."
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
I'm still not Catholic. Weird Catholic books do not define Christianity. Catholic sales pitches for weird Catholic books do not define Christianity.
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The question was how are you going to explain away Allah naming Mary as part of, or equal to, God in Christian belief in the Koran, supposedly an eternal, "infallible" book in heaven. Is this your explanation? So, Allah is a sucker for wild-eyed Catholics or pagan descriptions of what Christians believe?
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Fine. I believe you. Allah is an idiot.
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by Ecclesiastes on June 20th, 2009
I want to ask you very simple question. Any true knowledgable christian should know the answer.
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What was the language Jesus spoke?
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
Jesus A. Castillo speaks both Spanish and English.
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If you want to ask a question, there is a box at the top of the page.
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The question, here, on this thread, was how are you going to explain away Allah naming Mary as part of, or equal to, God in Christian belief in the Koran, supposedly an eternal, "infallible" book in heaven.
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So, the Catholics had a Mary fetish. They did bunches of things that had nothing to do with being Christian. Big deal. I, however, stick to the Bible which says nothing on the matter.
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Allah, who is supposed to know all, everywhere, for all time, writes in his very own eternal book that Christians hold Mary equal to God.
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Allah screwed up. Allah was wrong, is wrong, and is always going to be wrong on this.
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How do we know this? Because I am a Christian and I don't pray to Mary.
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by Ecclesiastes on June 20th, 2009
Okay it seems you are very ignorant even about your own religion.
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Let me educate you again.
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Scholars are unanimous in that Jesus spoke the language of Aramaic.
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What is the word for God in Aramaic?
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
Don't you -ignorant- know that Allah is the personal name of God that Jesus (peace be upon him) used to call when he prayed. Jesus spoke Aramaic (not Arabic).
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"Oh God" = "YA ALAAH" (in aramaic: the mother tongue language of Jesus).
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ALAAHAA (in aramaic) = God
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Who does the Real historical Messiah call his God?
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ALLAH (Alaha, EL Lah) is the highest name of God of Abraham in Aramaic and Hebrew which the Messiah Son of man used and when translated from Hebrew to English it is written as EL Lah which stands for LIVING GOD in Hebrew or to be more precise, THE ETERNALLY LIVING One, that alone encompasses all Godly attributes. Now the name can differ in writing but when correctly pronounced it is the SOUND which matters.
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"O God" = "YA ALAAH" (in aramaic: the mother tongue language of Jesus)
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Check it here in this Christian website (hear it with your own ears) http://www.learnassyrian.com/aramaic/church/church.html
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by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP WANTS EVERYONE TO CALL GOD 'ALLAH' HTTP://WWW.FOXNEWS.COM/STORY/0,2933,293394,00.HTML
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
Also, check this Jewish website (hear it with your own ears) stating that Allah is name of God
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elah/elah.html
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The original name in the Bible for GOD is not "Yahweh". It is "Allah". See the proofs from Jewish and Christian sources here: http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah1.htm
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Want to hear with your own ears again?
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Try verse Deuteronomy10:17 God your Lord is the Eternally Living God (ALLAH) of Gods (the Ultimate Supreme being) and the highest possible Authority. He is the great, mighty and awesome God, who does not give special consideration or take bribes.
http://bible.ort.org/webmedia/t5/1017.ra
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Finally, this is a clip from the "Passion of the Christ" movie, watch and hear then you can answer this: Did Jesus say " ALLAH" ? (see for yourself) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQ_9LnUqik
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
Read your own Bible and educate yourself about your Trinity Pagan faith first before you try to make fun of yourself like this. I'm done with you.
by JESUS-IS-MUSLIM on June 20th, 2009
The author of the Q believed Christians believed in three gods. Read your Q.
by Mystical on June 20th, 2009
JESUS, none, not one, or your references is the Bible.
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You just pulled up a bunch of Catholic mysticism, which hasn't anything to do with anything except being Catholic ...
and I'M NOT CATHOLIC, I'M CHRISTIAN.
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Specifically, I am Primitive Baptist.
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I recognize no other book except the Bible, and no authority save God to tell me what it is to be Christian.
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James 1:5-9
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by Ecclesiastes on June 21st, 2009
Well, I am Catholic and my advice to you J is to go the the Catechicism to know what Catholics believe. It is pointless argueing that Catholics worship Mary when we don't and never have. That Allah did not know this proves Mo is the author of the Q or Allah must be a liar and deceiver. Which is more probable?
I do not deny we worship the same God but you have a very distorted view of God thanks to your insane belief in Mo the pedophile.
by Mystical on June 24th, 2009