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by Anonymous on July 31st, 2008
Quite frankly, if you smoke you are causing more damage to me a non-smoker than you are to yourself. I consider that rude. I am not rude to people who smoke away from others because they show consideration for others. But if you are smoking in a public area where non-smokers and smokers have to breathe the air, that is wrong. I will ask nicely to put it out the first time, then I will be more direct. If that comes across as rude, Oh well.
by Scooter on December 29th, 2007
I have no idea. I blame the government for the backlash against smokers. The facts indicate it's bad for people to smoke, or others to be exposed to second hand smoke. Yet the government slaps on warning labels and continues to reap the financial benefits through taxation. Come on people give smokers a break!
by Little big mouth on December 29th, 2007
You are SO RIGHT. I have no idea why but if someone asks me to put out my cigarette, I will BUT if they start shaking their hands to get the smoke away from them & act rude, I make sure that I blow smoke right in their face
by RosieGHM Jetpacker on July 5th, 2008
In the "olden" days, a smoker would ask "do you mind if I smoke" prior to lighting up, giving the person sharing the air the option of saying"yes, I do mind". These days smokers smoke wherever they are allowed to...I can't remember the last time one of them asked first. So, rudeness begets rudeness, I guess. :)
by shady on July 31st, 2008
It's never socially acceptable to be rude
by look closely it is really me on December 29th, 2007
Bercause all the anti-smoking Nazis can now get away with it. I'm a non smoker by the way.
by Jade on December 29th, 2007
I have always tried to be considerate of non-smokers. I did not smoke in restaurants or other public places long before it was banned. I agree..cigarette smoke is harmful and it stinks, but if a smoker is standing outside indulging his/her habit..leave them alone. Concentrate more on the person who is climbing in his/her car drunk or drinking then trying to drive. I cannot see the logic of the acceptance of bars on every corner serving people who they KNOW are going to drive afterwards. Even with all the people killed and maimed by drunk drivers, alcohol is still allowed to be advertised on TV...and as a GOOD and desirable thing.
by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on December 29th, 2007
We are the new lepers.
by Sweet T on February 24th, 2008
It is another way to make yourself feel better by putting down someone else.
by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on January 11th, 2009
Karma for years of inflicting pulmonary distress on the unwilling?
by Anonymous on December 29th, 2007
I am a smoker...and a polite smoker at that. However, people think they have the right to look down at smokers like we are a piece of crap. I would love to know all the dirty habits each and everyone one of them have. They are no better then we are. I will not take insults from people who do not smoke. I don't intrude on anyones life with my smoking...and I call that respect...I deserve respect also.
by Occams Electric Razor on April 21st, 2008
I would like to know this too, but I will say this, once they ban all smoking and smokers like myself have to hide away in secret rooms in our house to have a butt, who do you think they will go after next? All I can say is 2nd from smoking related deaths is obesity, let's see how people like it when they have to stand outside in the freezing cold to eat their big mac, as people walk by and look at them disgusted or they have to eat in separate sections of the restaurants, or they cannot eat on planes or in public places.
You know once you let the government take away one freedom, you never get it back, and then they move on to the next, and the next epidemic in this country (America) is obesity.
by Jenjustice on February 25th, 2008
Because for years, we non-smokers have had to stink like smoke and had to breath in the deadly 2nd hand smoke of others. We've had enough!!! Not only is it disgusting but it makes others around you have headaches. The behavior affects many other people and only people who don't give a crap about those around them would continue to do it.
by NeverWas on February 25th, 2008
Because people like to discriminate and put themselves "above" other people. When you feel you are better than someone, you respect them less. The less you respect them, the more rude things you say.
The reason non-smokers are above smokers in their own heads is because of campaigns like "Truth" and "Stupid" and other people who try to convince you that a smoker has something wrong with them.
by wookieblu on January 21st, 2008
as long as a smoker is not rude to me i have no reason to be rude to them
by AnonymousAndrew on July 31st, 2008
Schools teach kids that people who smoke cigarettes are bad people.
by Stephie on July 21st, 2008
I LOVE the comment about the drunk...this is soo true...at least a smoker (smoking outside) is only harming themselves....And don't even try to come back with 2nd hand smoke outside...the exhaust from the cars driving by you is far more deadly than someone smoking outside!!! And don't even get me started on all the chemicals and crap in the food we eat!!
Btw, I think smoking is one of the single worst things a person can do, but as long as they are only harming themselves....C'mon!! Reckless behavior is reckless behavior...as long as no one else is involved, who are we to judge!!!
by CDN_PJB on July 5th, 2008
because some non smokers are assholes and think the world owes them something. here's my opinion if you want fresh air take your ass outside, when we smoke inside at least we are containing our poison in the building. i dont hear you bitching about smelling farts in bathrooms, hey theres a new one fart free restrooms.....
by phatcrayonz on July 5th, 2008
its totally the anti smoking campaigns that make it ok. it is the way the anti smoking campaigns make smokers seem like dirty bad people...more ignorant than most people. its subliminal advertising. so everyone just accepts that its ok and smokers are evil.
by Babycakes Deux on February 25th, 2008
I haven't noticed that it has become acceptable to be rude to smokers. There are some people who are just rude - to anyone smokers or non-smokers.
Nobody I know is rude to a smoker nor am I because I don't believe there is ever an excuse for rudeness and I wouldn't pal around with someone who was rude.
by Ash on January 21st, 2008
i will answer this with a question... Why has it become socially acceptable to smoke?
by JTP on December 29th, 2007
Because it's not socially acceptable for them to make me cough and deal with the shit their putting into my air. I had to deal with a smoker for a parent for 16 years, I know how rude and inconsiderate they are.
Besides that, do you have any idea how much that shit stinks? After leaving my parents home for 4 months and going back to visit once, I literally got sick from the scene of smoke in the air. It is disgusting.
by Grammy Robin on December 29th, 2007
Great question.
Suddenly, everyone hates smokers.
They can't to anything right.
Where I work, in July of 2005 our facility went smoke free. No smoking on company grounds, even when in your own vehicle.
Then they started to charge smokers $6.00 more a week for health insurance.
I say one or the other.
They are being punished twice.
Plus, all the extra taxes on a pack of butts.
They are over $5.00 a pack here in the state of Maine.
For the troll.
***I don't know that smokers are the only ones society is rude to though.
I think rudeness is just becoming more socially acceptable.
Crazy!!
I am a former smoker by the way.
by DWreck on December 29th, 2008
Thanks for your question. I think that what you asked is completely relevant to today's society. I think that the government has a huge part in alienating smokers. They pass legislation to ban smoking everywhere, and tax the hell out of cigarettes. This makes the general nonsmoking public view smoking as "taboo" and makes them view smoking as almost illegal. This then makes them treat smokers like they are drug addicts, and they are very rude in the process.
I beleive this is sick and wrong, because our country was founded on tobacco, and the government still tremendously financially benefits from those who still choose to smoke. If a smoker wants to smoke, that is THEIR business, and if someone doesn't like it, they have more options for smokefree air than smokers do for places to smoke. They can get to one of those places and leave the smokers alone.
I also beleive that it is wrong that smokers are viewed as social outcasts now, when they are just normal people like everyone else.
by OmarFW on July 5th, 2008
It's all psychological. People affiliate smoking and smokers with ugly stupid people because of the commercials.
It's all bullcrap. I'm not a smoker but even I think that you shouldn't be prejudice against someone because of something they do that really isn't that abnormal at all.
+3
by Veritas cant turn down a woman in red on February 24th, 2008
Because smoking is rude in and of itself. Forcing your smell, chemicals, and litter on the street is not a very nice thing to do to the world. I have no sympathy for smokers. Anyone who smokes, especially someone who has had all the opportunities of tobacco education, is simply an idiot.
by eagle eye on January 21st, 2008
well for me i am alergic to the slightest bit of it (smoke) so i have to be.
by J free on January 21st, 2008
since I found out you are killing me
by Anonymous on December 29th, 2007
because they STEAL you oxygen that's why !!!!!!!
by pagan-babe on December 29th, 2007
No its not acceptable,i dont smoke but im not rude to smokers live and let live.
by philosopher-saint on July 4th, 2009
Yes! It's now akin to urinating on children! Why for? I mean, even tho' I remain dubious about the claimed extremely deleterious effects of 2nd-hand smoke, I take extreme precautions to remain far, far away after I've "fired up a fag" (English colloquialism, I understand). But if someone *sees* you from across a parking lot, you get that 'pissin' on kids' look again!
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E.g., I recently attended an open-air concert and not a single person complained when sittin' in an opague cloud of doobage smoke, but the 1st Camel? = "Hey, could you move that please? I'm allergic."
;-)
by ello on July 3rd, 2009
I hope it's not socially acceptable to be rude period.
by shrinkess on November 21st, 2008
I don't think it is acceptable to be rude to anyone, but it is acceptable to ask someone to go outside to smoke because your health is at risk as well as the smoker's.
by LuckyLefty on November 16th, 2008
It's ok, people were rude to jesus too
by sassie on August 24th, 2008
I dont know??? I am not a smoker and I think it is weird when smokers apologize to me for smoking around me!!! Do what you want... If I dont like it I will leave!!
by -_You Can Leave Your Hat On....- on August 5th, 2008
as far as im concerned, it hasnt, its very poor :(
by Nightwatchdog on August 5th, 2008
Who knows what goes through biggots tiny minds ! All I can say is that I can't stand these self rightious jerks who condem me and my family, ( we're all smokers in my house ), for something they have no real understanding of.
by Phillis - Zacks little sister on August 1st, 2008
Rudeness is unacceptable in any circle and from anyone....family, friend, foe, smoker or nonsmoker. If someone is rude to me, guess what happens?
by Done. never again. on July 5th, 2008
I've noticed that too. It's just because people feel empowered now because of all the new smoking ban laws. I think it's socially unacceptable to be rude to anyone.
by shammers still slogging along on July 5th, 2008
How can it ever be socially acceptable to be rude? I do not think avoiding someone elses smoke by moving away from them, or doing whatever necessary to find unpolluted air to be rude. Making rude comments is not appropriate.
by LadyMadonna on February 29th, 2008
Personally I do not care as log as they do not smoke while I am around. If they are not going to respect my choice not to smoke by smoking close to me than I will resort to rudeness if I have to. It is my health being affected, you have to be your own advocate.
by peterpam on February 26th, 2008
A lot of them have been extremely rude over years by smoking in public without a thought to the health of others. So I guess for some they see it as come uppance time!
by eric on January 21st, 2008
Good question. Last I checked it was still legal. Right?
by miRi hates social norms and regulations on January 21st, 2008
it's not. its a sick habit and it hurts them, but it's not acceptable to ever be rude. [makes a person undignified to be rude]
by otoko no onna on January 21st, 2008
I don't know, but it's obnoxious. I always make sure to ask if anyone will be bothered by my smoke, and I always smoke outside, never next to an open window, and I always do my best to hide the cigarette if children walk by while I'm smoking because I don't feel right about smoking in front of them, so I feel like I'm doing things right, but people seem to feel okay about staring, even from the other side of a window where there's no chance of the smoke reaching their noses, or making comments when walking by.
by Johnnyonthespot on January 17th, 2008
Good question.
I think that it has become acceptable on the grounds that people really belive that second hand smoke is not only offensive but harmfull to them.
Also, in America smokers are being pushed out of resturants and bars and onto the streets where people and thier children have to see the nasty habit and its result in the gutter, beacuse there will be butts. Bans are contraversial, and create media attention making smokers a minority and one that is easy to hate. The people who advocate the bans of course make second hand smoke out to be more harmfull than it is. Most of all, nobody wants to stand up for smokers, at least not if they want to maintain a decent reputation.
by BrokeDog on December 29th, 2007
Oh, I think it is about even both ways. I think the "cancer" part for 2nd-handers really got people wound up, and then the moving smokers out of the office and to the doorways (where everyone had to walk thru the butts and smoke to get in), got everyone even more fired up.
But, it is not right to treat a smoker any worse than you would treat someone who drives a car, sprays hairspray on their head, or burns toxic junk in your city!
I smoke my cigars outside, (I don't like that musty-smell in the house, either), and that's only a couple a week. But, I think autos probably do more damage to our lungs. And, cell phones may be eating up our brains ... if it ain't one thing, it's another.
by RosieGHM Jetpacker on December 29th, 2007
Because smokers are rude to me. They crap up the air I breathe and glare when I start coughing..I cough because my lungs are sensitive to smog/smoke/air filled with crap because I had double pneumonia a very long time ago and having lungs that are sensitive to crap is part of the residual effect. Why does their "right" to inhale crap trump my right to breathe clean air?
by khammer on December 29th, 2007
I'm a ex smoker and would never be rude to someone unless they deserved it.
by Vampyre Bat on December 29th, 2007
It was a backlash for all the years they have been socially unacceptable in making non-smokers breath their pollution.
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by Anonymous on July 31st, 2008
+6 from me too! :D
by VS Angel aka Mrs. Stealth Intelligence on August 1st, 2008
+3 :)
by Needs some coffee on August 1st, 2008
That is a very strong statement. Do you actually have any evidence for it? There are many studies, most of them sponsored by anti-smoking groups, but as far as I am aware there are no statistically sound studies showing that anybody was every harmed by so-called 'passive smoking'. If you know differently, I would love to be pointed to a source.
by Prunesquallor on November 13th, 2008
I am seriously not going to go dig up a source on this. Secondhand smoke is very damaging.That is common knowledge.
by Anonymous on November 13th, 2008
It might be common knowledge, but it is also common knowledge that we only use 10% of our brains. There are reasons why it is impossible, statistically, to produce reliable figures. And when studies have been fatally flawed, at best, and have been fraudulent, at worst, it is impossible to make a definitive statement about the issue.
by Prunesquallor on November 13th, 2008
I don't mean to be rude but this really isn't even worth arguing over.
by Anonymous on November 13th, 2008
No, indeed. Why bother to try to establish the truth?
by Prunesquallor on November 13th, 2008
Harmful or not, either way...smoking doesn't smell nice.
:) Just my 2-cents.
by VS Angel aka Mrs. Stealth Intelligence on November 14th, 2008
Bravo. I was thinking that so I am glad you said it.
by Anonymous on November 14th, 2008
Exactly... +6...
by Smurphy on November 21st, 2008
do you actually believe that nonsense about secondhand smoke being more dangerous. how is that possible, car emissions are more dangerous to your health. are you rude to people who drive cars? ask me to put out my ciggarette and ill just smoke until im finished. if it bothers you that much, you'll probably move.
by charliethegreat on December 24th, 2008
I think the person asking the question meant in a broad sense. Not just inside a building. I smoke. I also make it a habit to smoke downwind and outside. That still doesn't stop some avid non smokers making rude coments. Live and let live if it's not in your face. I certainly don't bother ragging on them for being obese, reeking of perfume or cologne, if they bite their nails or even worse the sweatbags amongst them.
by scubabob on December 24th, 2008
i bet an avid non smoker who gets their ass punched wont be so vocal next time.
by charliethegreat on December 24th, 2008
Lol, I have been so...almost violent in that regard. Yeah...I'd like to give them mouth to mouth when they're VSA , after enjoying a Cohiba. Just for fun...or maybe just let them decide about the second hand smoke whilst they are making amends with their creator. Cheers Charlie Merry XMas
by scubabob on December 24th, 2008
All your excuses are just an example of just how inconsiderate smokers are.
by Anonymous on December 25th, 2008
Excuses? A non smoker being rude to a smoker who's 10 feet downwind, I'll agree...the non smoker is being rude.
by scubabob on December 26th, 2008
Mans man. You're my hero man! Haha I'm glad someone said this so I didn't have to.
by Anonymous on December 27th, 2008
Thanks. This is honestly pure stupidity to even suggest that secondhand smoke isn't harmful. It makes people cough and sneeze. Some are even allergic to it. It doesn't take a doctor to know that that is harmful.
by Anonymous on December 28th, 2008
Well...no problem man. You just stand up for what you believe in and you make a terrific point and a great job of explaining it and everything. You took all the words out of my mouth and put it down so I didn't have to. Lol
by Anonymous on December 28th, 2008
No, not really. You actually fug it up for smokers. I'm one that keeps tyying but...asses like you...makes me want to use my bag pipes to blow even somone elses smoke out your own &ss.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
I won't even dignify that with a response.
by Anonymous on December 28th, 2008
You can't and that's why. It's pretty simple.Tell you what...I won't tell you how to eat your carrots, you keep out of my life.. It's fairly simple. It's called live and let live. When I have some ass take me to task for something that doesn't impact them. I have an issue. You're actually funny for being a ...NON ISSUE. PHFFFFT.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
You can't say no to smokers that don't impact you. That's the way it is. If you're trying to pass of a smoker 10 feet downwind of you as a hazard. Dude/Dudette, guess friggin' what? No. I could just as easily take that shelter you're in and say it's not green. Argue that.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
Alright man no need to be like this over something this stupid. It's just our choice or not if we wanted to try smoking and we didn't so we don't like it when people do it around us. Just cut the crap man and let it go. It's not a big deal.
by Anonymous on December 28th, 2008
Then why not reverse this and cut the crap? Man. Right? Man? Start at the top here and work down in this comment thread. Then tell me why (a FEW non smokers that happen to be rude idiots) need to push that on myself. Let it go then...and let me smoke downwind where if it bugs you...you must be sensitive to magnetic changes in the earth as well. Suck on a bus tailpipe then? Seems that diesel exhasust is preferable to rabid non smokers? Ya live in an environment shoving carcinogens at you, including what you eat, yet...somone moves downwind to have a smoke... and you feel the need to be superior by being rude to them?
Right.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
This reminds me of an incident in an outdoor smoking patio. A pal and I lit our Cubans up, at the farthest reaches of the outdoor smoking patio because not all people enjoy the aroma of a good cuban. A non smoker came and sat right beside our table. Ordered his meal then promptly asked us to put out our 30 dollar cigars. The staff kicked his unruly ass out on the highway, where it should have been run over.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
Ohh...right, forgot,many rabid non smokers are also 420's. Right man? Did I get that correct...man? Keep your weed in your bathroom...man Smoke 'da ganga man. Not in my house man. On the porch and I've no issue....man.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
ehh? man. Go have a toke, just keep that downwind of me...man. I do the same. Man. FU? man? Gotit man? Likely man/dude/dudette. Or should I just kick the crap or be ignorant to the next person I see that may be doing a 420. I thought not.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
Just chill out man.
by Anonymous on December 28th, 2008
Nice comeback. Care to actually back that "Just chill out man." with something that pertains to the debate or are you just smoking a dube and chilling out as in...not here?
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
I thought not. Get your drug habit in hand and then comment on my tobaco habit perhaps?
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
Mine's legal...yours is? Not. Not even here. I've fired two guys that thought 420 was fine. It's not. Half my crew smokes tobacco. That's legal. Why am I even going here with someone that can't even figure up from down?. Have a great time...smoke the weed that's not smoke.
by scubabob on December 28th, 2008
Thankyou man's man. I am not rude to them either but I do not appreciate being around smoke. I have a marked inability to handle it... it causes me severe breathing problems. It may be a smoker's "right" to smoke but it deprives me of my right to breathe.
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At most I ask them to please not smoke around me and file them under rude as I dismiss them from my mind and walk away... if I can get away from them.
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Due to living in an apartment where whatever your neighbors do is in all other apartments and ALL of my neighbors chainsmoke, I have to run a $500 air purifier 24/7 and am, for the first time in my life, on medications full time to help me breathe.
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I do not say a word to them and am not rude to them because it is their apartments.
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They have their smoker's rights, you know.
by Arisztid on January 5th, 2009
And as far as an avid non smoker getting his ass kicked for something (whatever it is), if someone decided to attack me, my needing a medication to help me breathe due to smokers does not mitigate my two blackbelts and the training that went into them.
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I might need an extra puff on the inhaler the smoker causes me to use after I took care of business.
by Arisztid on January 5th, 2009
I am usually not rude to someone that does not smoke where I smell it. However, I find smokers to be the rude ones, as evident in this comment thread.
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I can remember a few years ago, having a garage sale, and a woman got out of her car, puffing away. I asked her to put it out, while she was at my sale, and she got mad. VERY mad. Started in on smoker's rights. I told her that her rights ended when she pulled in my yard and got out of her car.
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She stormed to her car and got in. Leaving the door open of her nice, full-sized car, she proceeded to stub out her cigarette in her ashtray, then dump it on my paved driveway. She had been using it for a while, and it appeared full. I yelled to her that I had her license plate and if she pulled out and left her mess behind, I was calling the cops on her for malicious destruction of property or littering on private property.
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She looked at me in shock. I told her to clean up her garbage. She did, looking pissed & cussing. Tough.
by Keysha on January 5th, 2009
I do not say anything to smokers if they are smoking in a place where they are allowed or if the smoke disrupts me when it drifts to me from such a place. I know that it is their smoker's rights in such places and it is not my non-smoker's right to not be accosted by their smoke.
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I only say something if they are not in a place like that. One time one of them took a hearty drag off of his cigarette and blew it in my face. That is the only time I have acted. I removed the cigarette from his hand and stomped it out. He did not pursue it.
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Charlie would have attacked me. Reference "two blackbelts."
by Arisztid on January 5th, 2009
Keysha."as evident in this comment thread" I find some of the nazi anti smokers who wish to impose their will on people NOT inmpacting them in the least...rude. Especially city dwellers who enjoy taking a smoker to task who's by product is going the opposite direction the neonazi non smoker happens to be. Suck in that bus exhaust hold it.....exhale.I guess that's our fault as well? Enjoy your benzine.
by scubabob on January 6th, 2009
Scubabob, how is this: "I will ask nicely to put it out the first time, then I will be more direct. If that comes across as rude, Oh well." a 'Nazi anti smoker'? To me that is a lot more polite than "No, not really. You actually fug it up for smokers. I'm one that keeps tyying but...asses like you...makes me want to use my bag pipes to blow even somone elses smoke out your own &ss." from you. The only ones in this thread that were b*tching about any 'rabid' people were the smokers.
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No one forced you into this thread, no one here has said that smokers should NEVER smoke, they said not where it is smelled by non-smokers. YOU are the one complaining. Then you try and siderail it with the exhaust thing. The only thing evident in this thread is that smokers are so defensive of their rights that they will attack anyone who claims equal rights. The ones in this thread that are rude are the smokers, and the anti-smokers are defending themselves from them.
by Keysha on January 6th, 2009
What, precisely, does city bus exhaust have to do with a woman who willfully dumped her full ashtray on Keysha's driveway when asked to not smoke?
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How, exactly is Keysha's asking a smoker to not smoke on HER PROPERTY indicative of a "Nazi anti smoker"? This was her private property. She did not go up to the woman on HER property or anywhere else and say she cannot smoke there.
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As for what Keysha is breathing, she lives with me now. Her eyes water from the cigarette fumes despite the air purifier running 24/7... it cannot keep up with three other apartments filled with chain smokers. It makes my CAT ill... he sneezes and shakes his head when the smoking is particularly bad. Like me, Keysha does not say a thing because it is Smoker's Rights to smoke. Our rights to breathe do not matter and we know it.
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If we accidentally unplug the air purifier we are choking and I cannot breathe within half an hour.
by Arisztid on January 6th, 2009
My point is that there are rabid anti smokers out there that go out of their way to be rude. If you'll look at my last comment, you'll see that I am pointing the finger at anti smokers that are doing this when there is zero impact on them. Did I make a generalisation? Nope. I pointed to the feverent anti smokers, not all anti smokers. However I am seeing a generalisation made about all smokers here.
by scubabob on January 6th, 2009
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by Keysha on January 6th, 2009
Keysha is having technical issues... she shall be in to comment when AB stops giving her fits. It has already eaten her comment a time or two.
by Arisztid on January 6th, 2009
You did point your finger at those in this thread, with your comment of "but...asses like you...makes me want to use my bag pipes to blow even somone elses smoke out your own &ss." There isn't one non-smoker in this thread that has said anything similar. You are attacking those that have said they would REQUEST if it bothered them, then would go from there.
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How would you feel if, every time you lit up, I took out a can of air freshener, and sprayed it around? Not necessarily at you, but just in the air? Especially if it was a scent you did not like or was allergic to? Would you consider me ignorant, rude, and an @sshole? Why should we feel any different if someone lights up in our presence, without asking? Even if it is not 'at you,' it is still there, and, especially if you are allergic, not something you want around.
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But many smokers only care about smoking, and feel that if they are, in their own opinions, far enough away, the person that does not smoke can shut up.
by Keysha on January 6th, 2009
Nope, you're taking it out of context and I really don't need to take this any further.
by scubabob on January 6th, 2009
I'm having trouble figuring out how someone inhaling diluted cigarette smoke is more at risk than the one who is inhaling concentrate smoke through the cigarette. I think non-smokers tend to take things further than they can actually go. I don't smoke but I feel no concern that I'm at risk by smokers. I'm with prunesquallor.... where's the proof? Unless you can provide it this is a bogus, biased answer.
by Anonymous on January 11th, 2009
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
by Keysha on January 11th, 2009
I don't question that secondhand smoke isn't good, Keysha. Just that it's worse for non-smokers than it is for the person actually smoking the cigarette. That was the basis of the answer.
by Anonymous on January 11th, 2009
I can testify from first hand experience that second hand smoke is deadly to some of us. Others can handle it but some of us cannot.
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I am the test subject in this instance. The smoke my neighbors shove down my lungs is doing more damage to me than I can describe. I am now desperately trying to move because the medicines I am having to take to breathe are 1) not working well, 2) are cardio-reactive and I have a cardiac condition. Non-smokers have no rights and I am paying through the nose for the meds to keep breathing here. I also am going to be forced to move, including the costs of a move, because non-smokers have no rights. I should not be forced out of my own home by smokers.
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Of course, if I actually took a drag on a cigarette I would be in the ER so, yes, I do concur with you that firsthand smoke would be more dangerous to me than second.
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I ask you this... should I have the right to breathe or should I have no rights as it is now? Is it right that I am put out my health, money, and forced to move because of smoker's rights?
by Arisztid on January 11th, 2009
I'm sorry to hear of your problems Ari. Sometimes people rights seem too collide. I hate things like that. Ultimately, something has to give. Too bad people aren't more considerate.
by Anonymous on January 11th, 2009
They have their smoker's rights and they do not give two squirts of owl piss about me.
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Is it right or wrong that I have no non-smoker's rights, especially when smoker's rights interfere with my right to breathe and cost me a LOT of money?
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That is my question. Is it right that I am denied the right to breathe and am forced to pay a lot of money in the effort to breathe? Is it right that I am going to be forced to move?
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This is not inconvenience and bad smell here. This is my health and money that I do not have.
by Arisztid on January 11th, 2009
Even for just inconvenience, is it right that people who do not have the problem with it that I do but who hate the stench of the things have to tolerate it in their own homes?
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Do they have the right to not smell something vile in their own living space when it could be prevented by putting out a cigarette?
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I am a severe case, however, any non-smoker in a building like this is denied the right to a pleasant environment... in their own homes.
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Which rights SHOULD take precedence?
by Arisztid on January 11th, 2009
Exactly. You'd figure it would be the non-smoker.
by Anonymous on January 11th, 2009
Thankyou. :)
by Arisztid on January 11th, 2009
Oh, in case you cannot tell my problems with smoke have increased since my first post in this thread. I am now on more medicines and they are not working well. It might be because all of my neighbors are home from the holidays and there are THREE apartments that I know of with chainsmokers going all the f*cking time. Also, there were only two full apartments at the time. They moved the third set of chainsmoking neighbors in since my first post.
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I wrote my first post when not all of them were home.
by Arisztid on January 11th, 2009
Well, I have COPD, and other people's cigarette smoke in any quantities doesn't affect me at all.
by Prunesquallor on January 12th, 2009
Good on you. I am not that lucky. I wish I could trade you.
by Arisztid on January 12th, 2009
I don't think I'm a rude smoker... I usually ask beforehand if I'm near someone else...
I'm sorry to hear about your problems with smoke, Arisztid.
by Indigo- in the library with the revolver on July 3rd, 2009
Indigo,..in this day and age...smokers tend to be the more polite of the species, lest they be taken to task and publicly flogged. I may be uncomfortable in a situation, yet even while being mugged...I'll always deem it polite to ask if the guy with the gun minds if I light up. He may sue me later for damages.
by scubabob on July 3rd, 2009
I find the smell of cigarette smoke extremely offensive. Maybe to a smoker it is great, but to a non-smoker, it gets in your lungs, irritates your throat and makes it sore, and makes your clothes smell vile. Even a whiff is extremely unpleasant. I have never been rude to a smoker. But if someone got out at my garage sale smoking on my driveway, I'd ask them to put it out or leave. The smoking ban was the best thing that ever happened for me, because like many non-smokers, smokers smoking in enclosed public places made my life a misery - really. It spoilt every meal, every night out in a bar - and now I can actually enjoy things.
I don't object to smokers smoking in their own homes or smokers who show courtesy to non-smokers. But being so rude to non-smokers is completely out of order.
Most smokers also assume if they are sex feet away from a non-smoker, the other person can't smell it. Not true - it travels quite a way and is very offensive.
by Irisibis on July 4th, 2009
I think I meant six feet away, not sex LOL!
by Irisibis on July 4th, 2009
I hate overly perfumed people. How about that? 6 feet away or 60 feet. The fumes of the artificial crap covering up what they must perceive as an offensive body odor ( maybe deserved) make me not want to breathe. If it goes one way...why not just ban any inhalant period?
by scubabob on July 4th, 2009
No, I don't like overly fragranced people, and I work in a public place where we get quite a few people in with extremely offensive body odour.
However I have to tell you that as a non-smoker, cigarette smoke is many times worse. It is the way it makes your lungs feel and how it makes your throat sore, besides the smell, which is abominable. If I am walking behind someone who smells of perfume, I may think to myself that it is a bit strong. If they have body odour, I will probably drop back and think they should have a shower. But if they are smoking I will hold my breath and run past them, so I don't have to be in the slip trail of their smoke. That is how vile and offensive it is to me.
by Irisibis on July 5th, 2009
Anonymous, if you live in the city you must be very fit. :P
by Indigo- in the library with the revolver on July 5th, 2009
I actually work in a library in a large town centre, but fortunately not so many people as used to seen to smoke outside in the UK :-)
by Irisibis on July 5th, 2009
The problem with being polite as a smoker and 'asking beforehand if I am near someone else' is that, as in our case, the smoker feels he is NOT near someone else. He is in his own apartment, and can do as he wishes. Unfortunately, his wishes are killing those that are not 'near' him. They are not at ground zero, but are still in the main fallout area.
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I'm 45 years old, and find smoking to be disgusting. Yes, perfumes and such can be as well, but they are not proven to be hazardous to your health. Smoking is. THAT is the bottom line. Smoking kills. Even those that don't light up. And while not all smokers are uncaring, those that care are often not aware of how much damage they are doing.
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And don't forget the actual environmental pollution of smoke, cigarette butts, and packaging that litter the environment and pollute our water table.
by Keysha on July 29th, 2009
Actually..as a colon cancer patient..if you smell of perfume..I'd be asking if you took a bath recently and why you are overloading my sensory centre with that bucket of perfume you must have applied. Perfume has an adverse health effect on those taking chemo. Not as safe and nice as you thought, eh? I think tomorrow I'll just ask the next "nice" smelling person I meet to go have a bath.
by scubabob on July 29th, 2009
I never said it was 'safe' or 'nice'. What I said was that I find cigarette smoke extremely offensive, and I do. I grew up with a family of smokers and would stick my head inside my sweater to try and get away from their smoke and try not to breath. I would roll up a towel at night and stick it under my bedroom door. Refuse to be in a room with any of them when they smoked. Hold my breath when I went in the room. But I could never escape from the smell. You can't shut the smoke out, it comes through the floor and saturates the walls. They didn't care, they thought I was pathetic. But the smoke makes me feel like I can't breathe properly and makes my chest and throat hurt. Just a tiny whiff of cigarette smoke still makes me panicky. Smokers always have this idea that if they are 10 feet away, you can't smell it. Believe me, you can, and much much further. You can smell it when a smoker has been down the street several minutes before.
by Irisibis on July 29th, 2009
Odd that perfume came up in topic...this just happened. http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/wfaa090729_wz_officeevac.8b2d449f.html
by scubabob on July 30th, 2009
Irisibis...I am quitting smoking. I have to due to surgery. As a new non smoker...I find what you have to say rather offensive and really idiotic. I've been on that side. Tell ya what. When you start up your car...inform the neighborhood. Those benzines are far more concentrated than in a cigarette.And you're polluting everyone as well. I use a bike to get to my work place. I doubt you do. Post a pic...bet you're a large whining thing. Whining, most definitely.
Join the vegans in here...you can whine together. Ohh wait..they mostly smoke pot. Correlation? Work that one out.
by scubabob on August 1st, 2009
and yeah..I did ask that stinky broad to take a bath and get the hell out of the cancer centre before she made countless people ill. Imagine the gall of her. Uncaring stupid witch. Sound familiar?
By the way..you actually said exactly this " Yes, perfumes and such can be as well, but they are not proven to be hazardous to your health" and then you go on to say this "I never said it was 'safe' or 'nice'" .
Make up your mind.
by scubabob on August 1st, 2009
What I meant was I never said wearing perfume was 'safe' or 'nice' which I didn;t - they were words you out into my mouth in your own comment!!
Is there some reason you feel the need to be so abusive? I have a fear of cigarette smoke. My family smoking DID make my childhood a real misery - I found it so hard to escape because they insisted on doing in my presence and I found it so unpleasant that I practically developed a phobia about it. So obviously if a smoker insists on inflicting that on me by smoking in his presence I will say something because I find it so unbearable. I've never come across one as rude as you though. I have not been rude to you and pointed out that I have never been rude to a smoker. All I said was that I found it unpleasant and would consider myself within my rights to say something if someone lit up on my property.
by Irisibis on August 2nd, 2009
I explained how I felt about smoking and how offensive I found it, which is not a personal criticism but an explanation of how horrible it can be to have it inflicted on you.
I have at no point been rude to you and yet you have taken it upon yourself to be extremely rude to me and to make extremely offensive and highly personal comments which are really not appropriate.
Actually, I often do a 20 mile round trip by bike to get to work, I am a UK size 8 and in my twenties and have been approached to do modelling in the past.
Such personal comments are completely unwarranted somewhere like this and I have no wish to interact with you further. I can see everyone else has stopped posting on this thread because of your attitude and I am not interested in carrying this conversation on any longer. You obviously have a huge chip on your shoulder.
by Irisibis on August 2nd, 2009
No..I didn't see any ". I saw '. That's what is called a comma. Not a quotation mark. Look up there and see for yourself. No " means you're not quoting from something. Not my fault if you can't use punctuation. I'll address your comment in order presented. Abusive? That's pretty funny. Where am I abusing you? I will now just to make you feel better if you like. Rude? Did I say you stink? Did I call you anything? Let's see. Sure, lets cut and paste my entire comment thread since you joined it
Note the " marks.
"I hate overly perfumed people. How about that? 6 feet away or 60 feet. The fumes of the artificial crap covering up what they must perceive as an offensive body odor ( maybe deserved) make me not want to breathe. If it goes one way...why not just ban any inhalant period?"....nope..nothing there.
by scubabob on August 2nd, 2009
"Actually..as a colon cancer patient..if you smell of perfume..I'd be asking if you took a bath recently and why you are overloading my sensory centre with that bucket of perfume you must have applied. Perfume has an adverse health effect on those taking chemo. Not as safe and nice as you thought, eh? I think tomorrow I'll just ask the next "nice" smelling person I meet to go have a bath."....don't see anything pertaining to you there either as rude or insulting...let's move on shall we?
"Odd that perfume came up in topic...this just happened. http://www.wfaa.com/.../...vac.8b2d449f.html"...hmmm..that wasn't your perfume in Fort Worth and I didn't imply it either...again..nothing. Next
by scubabob on August 2nd, 2009
"Irisibis...I am quitting smoking. I have to due to surgery. As a new non smoker...I find what you have to say rather offensive and really idiotic. I've been on that side. Tell ya what. When you start up your car...inform the neighborhood. Those benzines are far more concentrated than in a cigarette.And you're polluting everyone as well. I use a bike to get to my work place. I doubt you do. Post a pic...bet you're a large whining thing. Whining, most definitely.
Join the vegans in here...you can whine together. Ohh wait..they mostly smoke pot. Correlation? Work that one out."
Ok..busted. Can you argue the point made in the above? You haven't or can't. Not my problem. Whining? Yes you have been. Drive a car when you could use a friendlier solution? You haven't rebutted that so I assume you choke all of us up with your pollutants too ( lends to hypocrisy here).and there certainly was nothing regards denying anything else in that post. Next
by scubabob on August 2nd, 2009
"and yeah..I did ask that stinky broad to take a bath and get the hell out of the cancer centre before she made countless people ill. Imagine the gall of her. Uncaring stupid witch. Sound familiar?
By the way..you actually said exactly this " Yes, perfumes and such can be as well, but they are not proven to be hazardous to your health" and then you go on to say this "I never said it was 'safe' or 'nice'""
And here we are at the end of our discourse ( my side explained anyway) Are you the "stinky broad"? I don't see your name there. Do you get the sarcasm though? That's intentional. I mean that when I see hypocrisy in action. If that's rude...don't have the internet. Don't pick up the phone and don't interact with people. Someone will call you on it. I did.
by scubabob on August 2nd, 2009
Um, what does being a vegan have to do with being whiny? And I wasn't aware most vegans smoke pot even though I've known plenty.
by Indigo- in the library with the revolver on August 3rd, 2009
Probably as much as the generalization that all smokers are rude. The sarcasm was absolutely dripping there, yet went un noticed?
by scubabob on August 3rd, 2009
Either my internal sarcasm censor is broken, or you are bad at expressing your sarcasm in writing. The rest of your post was sarcastic, but the vegan bit just didn't connect. Especially since it seems 99% of people on AB really do believe that vegans are whiny. And probably that being a smoker makes you automatically rude.
by Indigo- in the library with the revolver on August 3rd, 2009
Ok, this is gone from ridiculous to sublime. *I* said "Yes, perfumes and such can be as well, but they are not proven to be hazardous to your health." As a general rule, this is true. Show me where there are warnings on perfume bottles saying that it causes cancer. Show me where it has been PROVEN that perfumes contain thousands of toxic chemicals. Show me where it has been posted that perfumes will cause miscarriages. Your article says POSSIBLE. Not PROVEN.
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Yes, some people have problems with scent. And some people use it to an extreme. But cigarettes harm everyone.
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FACT: The concentrations of some cancer-producing nitrosamines are much higher in the side-stream smoke from the burning end of a cigarette than in the mainstream smoke inhaled directly by the smoker.
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FACT: most nonsmokers who are exposed to it have measurable quantities of smoke products in their body fluids. Many nonsmokers find other people's smoke unpleasant and irritating. It may give them headaches and feelings of hangover.
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FACT: The amount of nicotine absorbed by a nonsmoking child whose father smokes is equivalent to the child himself smoking about 30 cigarettes a year; 50 cigarettes a year from a mother who smokes, and 80 cigarettes a year if both parents smoke.
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FACT: Secondhand smoke causes about 3,000 lung cancer deaths each year in nonsmokers.
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FACT: Worldwide, smokers toss at least 4.5 trillion cigarette butts each year -- litter that causes significant environmental harm, US researchers report.
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FACT: The researchers note that ``smokers may not consider that a cigarette butt is litter, but these waste products seem to be ubiquitous.'' Butts are often cast onto the sidewalk, where they often end up in drains and then out to lakes and seas. While the paper and tobacco of cigarette butts are biodegradable, their cellulose acetate filters are not, according to the report.
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Those types of facts, and others are non-arguable. If a smoker lights up, he does so by choice. And non-smokers light up as well. I cannot change that. But I can and do ask, then demand, to the point of involving others, for smokers to put that out, or not light up, if within my personal sphere. That sphere varies, depending on winds, enclosures, and proximity. If you light up, and it bothers me, just as you have your 'right' to smoke, I have mine to involve anyone I can in the effort to breathe cleaner air... and since you CHOSE to light up, I should not have to leave your presence to breathe that air.
by Keysha on August 4th, 2009
Smokers are so, shall we say, "vehement" (I am avoiding words that would be less appropriate but more inflammatory) about their "right" to light up.
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I have observed this in this very thread. The insults thrown are not by non smokers.
by Arisztid on August 4th, 2009
I don't recall insulting anyone. Nor do I smoke around people who don't want me to smoke around them, or throw cigarette butts on the sidewalk.
by Indigo- in the library with the revolver on August 4th, 2009
Not ALL of the smokers are insulting. I do not remember you being insulting, indigo, so, for that, I apologize and to those who have not been.
by Arisztid on August 4th, 2009
Thanks, I just wasn't sure whether your comment was directed at me as well, or not.
by Indigo- in the library with the revolver on August 6th, 2009
Nope Indigo...they're just having a go at me simply because I pointed out that they're making a generalization. The shoe was put on the other foot and they didn't like that apparently. No issue. As a former smoker I understand both sides and for the most part the smoking crowd DOES try to appease non smokers. At least the ones I know do. Some here have an apparent medical condition. So be it. Perhaps they'd be thoughtful enough to hang a sign around their necks stating that. I'm fairly sure that a literate smoker would understand their position and not light up in their vicinity if at all. Sadly... most people are incapable of reading minds and conflicts over this will result. It's all about generalizations here and the the garage sale stories etc. One person, one side of the story and a generalization against all smokers was made.
by scubabob on August 8th, 2009