Romans 1:20

Well you've posted in Bible answers, and referred to evolution disparagingly as "a chance accident", so it seems you've already answered your own question in the asking and don't need any assistance from anyone else.

There's currently no way to tell either way. Physics and cosmology suggest that the "Big Bang" occurred about 15 billion years ago. However, it cannot tell us what existed prior to the Big Bang, nor what exists 'outside' the space-time fabric of our Universe. If you wish to believe that God said "Fiat lux" 6,000 years ago or that the Cosmic Space Turtle excreted the Universe 28 seconds ago, you will find no testable evidence to support or negate either view.

Neither. The universe is the result of a chain of events, one triggering the other, none of which are random. Again, the only people who reject science are those who don't understand science.

The current popular belief, in science, is that the universe begins with a big bang and then ends with a big collapes then starts afresh again, repeat! However, I do see the problem that at some point there needed to be a beginning, but it is my theory that the begining is also the end, and that time is not important over a universe scale, but that is purely my theory, not supported by fact!

I'll come from the angle of Intelligent Design Theory (not to be confused with Young Earth Creationism, which I also agree with COMPLETELY). Many, indeed most, Evolutionary Scientists (most notably Richard Dawkins) will say that even at random chance, Humanity was "bound to happen". This postulation is based on the odds of Us just happening and the number of planets in the Universe. But what if we calculate the odds of Humanity occuring? Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D.(in Astronomy at University of Toronto) did just that. He calculated the odds of everything from star proximity to bacteria in the dirt and the final statistical probability of our Earth ending up as it is today, without the help of an intelligent being, are approximately 1 in 10x1^150. Of course, to get this number he had to take the Big Bang as true. The existence of the Universe is a non-issue. the big deal is whether We are an accident or not.

accident, or rather it just happened,

Was the Intelligent Creator the result of a chance accident or Mr and Mrs Intelligent Creator Senior? :-) I doubt we'll ever know - but that's no reason to start blaming gods.

I've seen accidents. The universe is way too orderly and complex to be an accident.

If our earth was anything OTHER than 23 1/2 degrees offset and considering the heat of our sun at THAT particular distance, we would not survive. That takes planning...by God. And he has promised a new system where there will be no harm at all./..no starvation and everyone who is obedient will have his own place... (Micah 4:4) And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it]. This HAS to be future... (Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” No death means those who are obedient will live forever...not as spirits in heaven, but on the earth... (Psalm 37:29) The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it. So at Armageddon, the earth as a planet will NOT be destroyed... Only wicked people and governmental systems...they really are the same thing... (Psalm 37:34) Hope in Jehovah and keep his way, And he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked ones are cut off, you will see [it].

I believe the universe is deliberate, rather than by chance. Although explaining the hows to this belief, conceptualizing this theory, is beyond my grasp, is beyond anyones' grasp. Many embrace abstract ideas & notions to 'explain it all' others accept, knowing, there are some things they simply cannot understand, while still others work steadily with their pens and calculators trying to figure 'it all out'. It is what it is.

Or ... is the universe intelligent? Yes.

For one of the very best audio explinations go to Chuck Misslers webb link: http://www.khouse.org/ from there look on the left column for the heading 66/40 radio show and click, then click on Bible Study - 263 broadcasts,then Genesis and start with Genesis 1:1. You may think this is just another Bible study but I think if you start listening you will soon learn it is much more. Missler goes very deep into many different avenuse of science and mathmatics. He brings much scientific research by many different scientists. If you like science and math you will enjoy his talks.

The universe has always been and always will be. No one person created it. No being could magically create planets from absolute nothingness much less giant burning stars.. How anyone can imagine a "personal relationship" with such a creator is utterly absurd. The universe is absolute unlimited in area, mass and energy and someone thinks this GIGANTIC creator is sitting around actually listening to the ramblings of some fools giving it some shopping list of wants and desires? Think about it.. if gawd created it all what would be the point to dead planets? Planets covered with poisonous gases? and then think that earth is where this same gawd would put humans on for some special mission then on top of that give them freedom to chose to either buy the silly story or not? Doesn't this seem just a little odd to any of you?

both. The creator created the accident. On purpose.

neither. It was the chance accident of an unintelligent janitor.

I prefer the Intelligent Creator idea, my mind rejects that a universe where so much [if not everything] can be described by mathematics is purely random chance. I prefer the simplest explanation for such order, Some One designed it. But that is my humble opinion and the method I have for explaining the universe as I see it. I am not adverse to other explainations.

False dichotomy so neither. There are a number of other options here. For example the cyclical universe model (which I am not a fan of) or the multiple universes idea of M-Theory (which I am a fan of in principle but we need some evidence for it). There are many others. I wouldn't accept either of the positions in the question though. Both don't work for me. Truth be told we are not sure how the universe came to be. Indeed it may be even somewhat foolish to even speak of a beginning of the universe. That aside the best theory we have is the Big bang which is still being developed. We don't fully understand it yet but we've come a long way. The "accident" idea comes up a great deal. I think there is some confusion when scientists do say that there are random events at play in that people automatically think that this means the whole system is entirely random. Not at all. The behaviour of an individual gas molecule may be unpredictable or random but the overall behaviour of the gas can be modelled extremely accurately using statistical methods. Or perhaps a simpler but less compelling analogy would be a game of poker (don't stretch it too far as there are intelligences involved in a game of poker and I am not advocating that). The game of poker relies somewhat on chance. However no player worth their salt would say that poker is purely a random process from start to finish. Personal opinion is that the universe is probably one of many. I find the M-Thoery idea very appealing. The idea of an intelligent creator throws up too many problems that seem unresolvable. Further I don't like to appeal to a creator to explain why a ball drops to Earth when I let it go so neither do I feel the desire to appeal to a creator for anything else. However as yet the answer must be simply: "don't know but watch this space".

I'm not sure if "chance accident" would accurately describe it, but that's the one I'd go with.

It's obvious that an Intelligent Creator made the universe.

Definitely the result of an Intelligent Creator--the great "I AM" of the Bible, infinite Creator, master Designer, the One who is and who is to come---Almighty God is His name, and Christ Jesus His Son.

Neither. Go back and study your science some more. Then ask again.

Created through a chain of events which by an unseen force called, God!

The universe is far to remarkable, exacting, and complex to have taken place other than by intelligent creation.

The atom, solar systems, and galaxies share a common design. How many chance accidents where super complex systems can there realistically be before it's reasonable to conclude that it's not an accident? Obviously, this is no accident.

I'll go with the possibility of an intelligent creator, only because there's so much complex stuff about the Universe I know nothing about. I'm alive. I live, I breathe, just like you do. Wouldn't it be just a touch arrogant to presume that there's nothing greater than that? HOWEVER... By that, I do not mean to infer that what we presume to know about God is valid. I think it's all messed up and needs to get chucked.

I dont know... but the later seem so abstract. when i create something, i care for it. i love it. if i was created then where is the care and love from my creator? I am out here starving, dying, strugging.... where are you @ mr intelligent creator? lol. the universe operates on its own accord. it has no authority

The question is how can this massive sophisticated Universe being so perfectly controlled and organized without having a Creator !?

View this documentery then you decide: http://www.illustramedia.com/tppinfo.htm or read the manuscript http://www.illustramedia.com/scripts/ThePrivilegedPlanet-web.pdf I believe there is enough information there it should show you pretty well it wasn't the result of random chance there had and has to be some form of intelligence involved. Call that intelligence God or anything else the facts remain the same.

No one knows, anyone who says they do is sadly misled. I think that it is more likely that the universe has all ways been around than some all powerful creator has always been around. Saying that an ever existing creator created everything is the easy way out. Saying that the creation of the universe is random isn't a great answer, but at lease its one step closer to admitting we just don't know.

In principle, could be either. But a Creator would be highly likely (but not certain) to give some other indication of his/her/its/their presence. Therefore the most likely is a chance accident, or a totally uncaring creator.

The universe is so vast and complex that cosmologists will admit that they aren't anywhere close to understanding it. Anyone who says with absolute certainty that it came about without intelligent direction is ignorant of their ignorance.

I am the universe. the universe is I. I am formless and yet still so visible. silent and yet still so noisy. I am colossal in my being but yet so minute in my relativeness

I believe it is a result of a Creator.

Neither, it was already there. Don't say that's not possible because you think god was already there.

An intelligent creator, obviously. There is no evidence for any other explanation.

Those that know don't tell. Those that tell don't know.

This one thinks that if there was an intelligent creator, he could've paid a little more attention to his creation and a lot less screwups.

the most noted scientists in history (einstein, sir isaac newton, etc.) have all come to the realization that the universe had to have an intelligent force responsable for the existence of the universe. scientists have noted remarkable order and even an elegance in the placing of the bilions of galaxies, as though they are participating in an "elaborate and most graceful ballet." these are the words of the astronomers that have, and continue to study the universe.

Your belief in an "intelligent being" is just that: a belief. Many of us do not share your belief. Get over it. - "Creation" is a religious term, not part of science. Again, you don't hear people of science speak of "creation." Only you believers.  

Probably neither. Creationist types have been backed all the way to the first trillionth of a second after the BB with their "god of the gaps" - because we just keep on filling those gaps with reality. Poor things. Experts, at this current time, saying "we don't quite know but we have some ideas" does NOT mean "Humankind does not know, will never know, therefore it was the judeo-christian god that did it and no other of the thousands of creator gods we've thought up..."

Intelligent Accident

The comment box isn't working so I'll use the answer box to reply to Franklin. Franklin's Binary Theory of the origin of the universe: Franklin: "Either you must believe in an "intelligent force" OR you must believe in an "unintelligent force. Those are the only two options I will allow" My retort: Who says we must believe in either of your options? Who gave you the authority to postulate those options and then demand that we believe in one or the other? Was it a direct order from God, as George W. Bush used to receive? :) - Belief is the poor man's substitute for knowledge. When you don't have facts, evidence, or observations, you substitute belief. That's when you degenerate from science (knowledge) to religion (belief).  

Intellegent Designer and Creator. Look around at the absolute perfect way in which everything works together.+3