If God created everything, then who created God?

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• If god "just was" and not created... then what's to say there is no god and the universe "just was"?

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  by Scoundral on May 22nd, 2005

• What if the Universe IS God?

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  by scymitar72 on May 28th, 2005

• Matter/energy has never been demonstrated to be self creating or self existent.

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  by jalex137 on July 12th, 2005

• I don't know why someone rated this answer down, infact it is the question that has to be rated down. But it's not possible.

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  by saratchandra on August 25th, 2005

• It's a valid question worth exploring in discussion. But I doubt anyone in this life will ever know the answer.

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  by Bernie on October 29th, 2005

• Great answer!

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  by Beverlyofhills on April 1st, 2006

• This is not answer, just an opinion. An explanation would be nice

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  by Godfather Part II on April 7th, 2006

• an explanation would be nice, but, just as with the "big-bang", there is none Godfather. However, with a personal relationship with the Creator, one can rest assured that all will be explained for our tiny minds one day.

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  by singwell-is off researching a lot on March 11th, 2007

• Singwell: One reason that there is no explanation for the Big-Bang is because science is patient, rather than jump to conclusions like "what ever caused it has always been around" it is better to use hypothesis and experiment and say we are waiting to discover the answer. I can see little evidence for a creator, little reason to believe and no creator has talked to me in my head, or even just sent an email or a quick phone call! I'm just a happy atheist, and I don't mind not having all the answers- I would rather have half an answer based on evidence than an entire answer based on faith.

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  by Godfather Part II on March 12th, 2007

• fair enough. :-)

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  by singwell-is off researching a lot on March 12th, 2007

• Wait. To believe that the big bang happened, takes faith. You said it yourself, you have half an answer. The other half you're taking on faith.

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  by The Wade on March 3rd, 2008

• Wade: I don't think that believing in the Big Bang takes faith, there is plenty of evidence that it happened (expansion, background EM radiation etc). Now I know that we don't know exactly how it happened, but I wrote that comment about a year ago and since then we have made progress. Evidence now points to collisions between membranes in the multi-verse causing singularities that then expand rapidly. Now that is not a total explanation, but it is a step forward. I make no further assumptions, and I now have over half an answer. Hopefully in another year there will be even more of an answer.
  You don't need a whole answer to lose the aspect of 'faith'. If you find some change down the back of a chair you have no explanation of how it got there with any evidence (it would take some faith to assume that it fell out of someone's pocket), but it takes no faith to believe that the change is there.

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  by Godfather Part II on March 3rd, 2008

• Godfather it takes faith in science of which I have no faith in science. Science did not make my God or the universe. God made the science you are so proud of to confound and confuse foolish people who believe they are greater than God.

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  by Glowing Black on April 9th, 2009

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• Not even bacon?

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  by koldkanuck on March 3rd, 2008

• A human mind wrapped in bacon? Yummy!

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on April 11th, 2008

• that sounds pretty good actually. mushy, but good

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  by Anonymous on October 16th, 2009

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• Atheist! God does have a sense of humor, he did create you down rater. May you get a little warm waiting in line at the gates of hell.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on March 11th, 2007

• If you are anonymous you are too chicken shit to face the reality.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 16th, 2009

• again another chicken shit downrater.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 17th, 2009

• Tom,shame on you

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  by hodgesdodges69 on October 18th, 2009

• hey annon., if I was wishing you to hell you would be there already.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 18th, 2009

• you are certain of that, then you must be a very sad person.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 20th, 2009

• thanks for commenting, have a nice day.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 21st, 2009

• and I will send you a road map, to find your soul.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 22nd, 2009

• See anonymous, this is why you have no friends lol

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  by Marshall93 on October 23rd, 2009

• no.....

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 23rd, 2009

• Hey,I don't know what to think about the whole thing either.I did have alot of wierd stuff happen to me and I really think there is something that happens when we die.Anonymous you try to reason with a logical explanation but sometimes there is none.You shouldn't argue with people who believe in something you don't.We are all good American people with many opinions.That doesn't make us bad,only different.Right??

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  by hodgesdodges69 on October 23rd, 2009

• first, either address me by my name or not at all. second, I seriously hope that you are an hallucination, so this will have just been a nightmare.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 24th, 2009

• thank God, for without you I would not have a benchmark for crazy.

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  by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on October 25th, 2009

• Anonymous,I went to a psycgologist and he tested me and I am normal.I told him about all and he told me I should go on to help others.Also,many people believe things others don't,thats cool.

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  by hodgesdodges69 on October 25th, 2009

• Anonymous,if you are in school to be a pilot and have a wife,why are you spending so much time on this site?You have your beliefs and others have theirs.Please if you are a bright person you wouldn't involve yourself in such crap.Don't worry about others,worry about yourself.I shouldn't be on here either but I am a bored housewife.I like to try to help people,you are fighting words with people.Believe what you want and have respect for others who believe different.Go on sites that you may give advice and not fight over beliefs.

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  by hodgesdodges69 on October 25th, 2009

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• I 100% agree with you ;- )

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  by The Scotsman on October 16th, 2009

• I'm not religious but I personally think that it's more logical to believe that there was an eternal creator, whatever it was, than to believe the "every thing came out of nothing" theory.

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  by Sokoot on October 16th, 2009

• What you said up there reminded me the idea of the movie Matrix! But if I'm supposed to believe in a fictive theory I prefer to stick with the one that I already have, the eternal god.

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  by Sokoot on October 17th, 2009

• Or can I call it a fictive theory? Eternity is considered a scientific fact. It can explain many of the unknowns in science.

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  by Sokoot on October 17th, 2009

• I think it will just turn out that dark matter is simply normal matter scattered throught the galaxies in much higher quantities than was ever thought possible. Hubble now has some stunning pictures of galaxies viewed side on, and they show huge amounts of non luminous matter, it is also possible that a huge amount of the universes’ matter is already swallowed up by black holes, what ever dark matter turns out to be I don't think it will be mind blowing stuff, just the obvious like these things usually are ; - )

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  by The Scotsman on October 23rd, 2009

• EXCACTLY!

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  by hitokaji on December 2nd, 2009

• This is one of many possible answers, and I agree that a high percentage is very likely to be in the black holes.
  It explains why galaxies do not fly apart even though the visible matter accounts for only a fraction of what is required for the stars to remain in their galactic orbit, we are also finding more and more evidence for the existence of huge black holes at the centre of many galaxies,

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  by The Scotsman on December 3rd, 2009

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• well, then God did not create everything because he did not create himself.

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  by Dr.Tso on August 12th, 2007

• If you ask me I'd say God created nothing because imaginary friends don't create anything, but that's beside the point, maybe I should have said if God created everything and if God is part of everything then He actually did create himself.

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  by hershey_squirter_ on August 27th, 2007

• You people assume that God is within time, as we are. But He CREATED spacetime, and therefore is beyond it. He doesn't NEED a creator, because there was no 'before' Him.

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  by LarryH54 on June 25th, 2008

• No before him? How does that make any sense?

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  by Jokebat on May 26th, 2009

• As long as you insist on thinking 4 dimensionally, it doesn't. Talk to an astrophysicist.

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  by LarryH54 on May 26th, 2009

• totally the truth i agree

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  by scottswa on September 13th, 2009

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• Oh, really; who created "we"?

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  by skeptic on May 6th, 2012

• That is a total lie! We did N O T create him! HE CREATED US! Don't go around making foolish lies like this! You will giving them the wrong idea!

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  by xXxXxUnKn0wNxXxXx on May 6th, 2012

• Not possible, given the premise. If God did create us then it is impossible that we created God.

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  by Stormarm on May 6th, 2012

• I was raised catholic, but am agnostic/non-religous/whatever you want to call it.
  
  Christianity, like the hundreds of religions created before it was created by tribes/ancient civilizations to explain the 'unexplainable'. The Bible is just a bunch of made up hogwash mixed in with some minor historical evidence to tell why something happens or teach morals. Religion was created by man, it started out from myth passed down by word of mouth from generation to generation to explain why it there is thunder, rain, earthquakes, etc... the bible is no different.

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  by DangerMouse on May 6th, 2012

• DM - Evidently you have some sort of denominational axe to grind, but the Bible and Christianity are irrelevent to the question or my comment. This is a philosophical question in logic and metaphysics completely independent of any religion or religiosity in general. If you saw this question on the logical reasoning section of the LSAT or GRE and answered with "we did", you'd be marked wrong since you're not allowed to deny the premise/if-condition or introduce a causal-loop that ammounts to the same thing. If you replace "God" and "us" with A and B respectively, you'll see your error. The only logically allowable answer is "either nothing or something other than God or us" (though the 2nd option is ruled out by the definition of "God"). That answer does not validate the premise/condition, but merely states what necessarily follows IF the premise/condition is true.

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  by Stormarm on May 6th, 2012

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• And he, of course, was created by Super-supergod - and so ad infinitum.

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  by Im Alec has abandoned this account on October 16th, 2009

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• Who/What did create us, Moongrim? Or did we create ourselves as well? We sure screwed it up, didn't we? (smile)

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  by Tom 47 is back in his bear COAT on October 16th, 2009

• our parents created us, as did their's. just keep going back till around 3.5 billion years ago and you will get to the common ancestor of all known lifeforms.

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  by The Scotsman on October 16th, 2009

• A self made man?
  
  When you get down to it, I can think of a least a dozen different ways that the human body could've been more "intelligently designed'.

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  by Moongrim on October 16th, 2009

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• What's interesting to consider is why the religious argument against scientific creation is that 'you can't get something from nothing', so therefore, if God 'did' come from nothing, he must also be nothing! OR, you 'can' get something from nothing? OR, God has been in existence for an infinite amount of time, which is the same thing said of the universe (the big bang created the physical reality we see around us, not the universe itself). Essentially, either we are both justified, or neither of us is justified...

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  by Twhupfold on March 3rd, 2007

• God is something beyond our mere human understanding.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on June 11th, 2007

• I'd agree, yet there are still vast numbers of people who claim to have personal relations with him, and claim to know his thoughts, plans, rules, likes, and dislikes : / Isn't it fairly arrogant for people to make such claims? *shrugs* I've never actually asked Christians before... Be interested to hear some feedback ; )

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  by Twhupfold on June 11th, 2007

• Thank you, Twhufold. We, Christians, do have a personal relationship with God our Father through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. However, we do not know everything about Him (even if we claim to) or all of His plans, we just know what He has given us to know from His Word and what He reveals to us in His time. The Bible even says that our thoughts are not as His thoughts. We live and walk by faith in our Great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on June 13th, 2007

• Interesting, thanks for the info. : )

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  by Twhupfold on June 14th, 2007

• You're welcome anytime, Twhupfold.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on June 14th, 2007

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• What if existance and time have neither beginning nor end? Why do you have to add god to this already puzzling equation, when it doesn't really solve anything?

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  by maisteri on October 16th, 2009

• Maisteri ... what makes you think *I* added God to the equation?

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  by CaptainHarley adores his life penguin on October 16th, 2009

• Anynymous ... none. This is a mystery which stands outside any human construct such as logic and reason.

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  by CaptainHarley adores his life penguin on October 16th, 2009

• how are you maisteri

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  by dtunmji on October 16th, 2009

• You have NO idea who I am or what I believe. I happen to think evolution is reality. I am not religions, but do have a spiritual side. You apparently lump everyone who believes in God into one mass and then make assumptions about what else they do and do not believe.

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  by CaptainHarley adores his life penguin on October 16th, 2009

• Hey, anon - I wanted you to know I agree with you. I didn't flag your question. I just think that folks should be allowed to explore their own spirituality without some know-it-all trying to fix them. That's how they view it, see. I kinda do, too. I think it tramples on human rights.

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  by Phillis - Zacks little sister on October 16th, 2009

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• I find that odd... hmm wrong word but anyway, most other religions have stories of the creation of their gods and people, but Christianity never fully explains the creation of God

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  by paulthom12345 on July 21st, 2009

• Great answer

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  by Spicy Hot on July 21st, 2009

• Thanks to both of you.

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  by Anonymous on July 21st, 2009

• @paulthom12345: You've raised an excellent point. The "Holy" Bible mentions the creation of Heaven & Earth, but fails to address the creation of Gawd.
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  Everything that currently exists, had to have had a "Day 1," or a beginning of some kind.

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  by Anonymous on October 24th, 2009

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• i agree

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  by scottswa on September 13th, 2009

• No, the question is valid and makes a lot of sense. If the god
  doesn't need a creator because it is speculated that the god, by
  definition, is eternal, then such a premise invalidates the law of
  physics which says that nothing is ever manifested in an effect that is not in the cause....or nothing is evolved as a consequent
  that is not involved as an antecedent--however we may phrase it.
  Now, if you say that this god is excepted from such a law--including the laws of time and space--then that most likely would
  be understood that such a being belongs to and operates from another real in which the laws of this one don't apply to him/her.

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  by buttman on October 17th, 2009

• But that would be like trying to solve a mystery by introducing
  another mystery. If this being we call "god" purportedly operates
  outside of the law of physics and time & space, then it makes no sense to me to look at this universe we belong to and claim that it is an irrefutable "evidence" that accounts for his/her/its
  existence, if the very same argument demmands that those laws should not be applied when refering to this transcendental being.
  And if this is your position, I certainly would love to know by
  what practical means you did arrive at such conclusion.

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  by buttman on October 17th, 2009

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• lol.Thanks

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  by Kimmy on January 25th, 2009

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• I bet that when the rabid Christians see your avatar they grimace or develop a facial tick.

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  by Arisztid on March 3rd, 2008

• Hehe, what's wrong with this avatar? It's less likely to aggravate Christians than my last one... ; )

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  by Twhupfold on March 3rd, 2008

• It is not the avatar but the mind behind the avatar.
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  They know that their "logic" is about to be obliterated when they see anything coming from Twhupfold.
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  I think my favorite of your avatars was the pentagram with a Santa hat.

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  by Arisztid on March 3rd, 2008

• Mmm, I liked that one too, but it's really more of a seasonal thing : D
   
  Anyway, thanks ; )

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  by Twhupfold on March 3rd, 2008

• Welcome. :)

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  by Arisztid on March 3rd, 2008

• Dualism denier!

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  by purplecows on May 26th, 2009

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• Good explaination

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  by bigbuju777 on May 22nd, 2005

• The question asks who created G-d, not whether or not G-d is created.

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  by pareto on December 8th, 2005

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• Those are from 2006 .. 6 years ago. Maybe people have different theories now. And don't call my question stupid, it is the person who is stupid for not respecting one's curiosity (:

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  by LiveLifeAlive on May 6th, 2012

• I also may add that asking my own question allows me the opportunity to respond to people such as yourself. There are may questions that are duplicated, I guarantee, not just about God but many other topics as well. So again, think through what you say before you accuse my question of being "stupid". (;

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  by LiveLifeAlive on May 6th, 2012

• There are no new theories on this one because it's a stupid question that has always had one valid response that corrects the flawed assumption embedded in the question.
  
  For God to be God He is necessarily eternal (i.e. NOT created) as the laws of logic and math. Like them, He just is.
  
  Any created being is, by definition, not God.
  
  "God" is just an equivalent term for "the uncreated creator/the unmoved mover". If there is no uncreated creator then, by definition, there is no God. If there is, by definition, He is God.
  
  Your question, therefore, makes as much sense as the statement: "The square root of 3 approaches 1 for small values of 3"

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  by Stormarm on May 6th, 2012

• It's not my fault you cannot comprehend my question.

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  by LiveLifeAlive on May 10th, 2012

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• But somehow you Christians think you can nullify the idea that the universe is eternal, and thus doesn't require a god.

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  by maisteri on October 24th, 2009

• maisteri, the Theory Of General Relativity has proven that the universe did indeed have a beginning. Looking through the 100 inch telescope at California's Mount Wilson Observatory, Hubble discovered a "red shift" in the light from every observable galaxy, which meant that those galaxies were moving away from us. In other words, General Relativity was again confirmed----the universe seems to be expanding from a single point from the distant past.
  In 1929, Einstein made the trip to Mount Wilson to look through Hubble's telescope for himself. What he saw was irrefutable. The observational evidence showed that the universe was indeed expanding as General Relativity had predicted. With his cosmological constant (eternal universe) crushed by the weight of evidence against it, Einstein could no longer suport his wish for an eternal universe.

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  by The Galaxy Hitchhiker on October 25th, 2009

• Everything that had a beginning had a cause----is the Law Of Causality, which is the fundamental principle of science. Without the Law Of Causality, science is impossible. Even the great skeptic David Hume could not deny the Law Of Causality. He wrote, "I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that something could arise without a cause."
  In fact, to deny the Law Of Causality, is to deny rationality itself. The very process of rational thinking requires us to put together thoughts (the causes) that result in conclusions (the effects).
  maisteri, you seem to be going against science, including the great Einstein, when you state that the universe is eternal when it's clear that it had a definite beginning. Until the time of Einstein, atheists could comfort themselves with the belief that the universe is eternal and thus did not need a cause. That time has passed maisteri. You need to investigate this further.

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  by The Galaxy Hitchhiker on October 25th, 2009

• Yes, I am a Christian but I didn't try to nullify that the universe is eternal, science has already nullified that fact.

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  by The Galaxy Hitchhiker on October 25th, 2009

• Hah, your god defies the law of causality. How can your god be eternal, if the universe can't? Let me guess, he's just that friggin' awesome. Ah the special pleading... it gives me a headache.
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  There is no way to prove the big bang was actually the beginning of space and time. It sure does give the impression, but there is no scientific study or philosophical principle that could definitely prove that the universe did not exist before the bang. Maybe the universe just goes through cycles of big bangs and big crunches, indefinitely.
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  You can dump your Law of Causality, because at some point it is not valid anymore. It's just a simple principle from our simple minds. If you insist that god is eternal (did not have a cause), then the universe could be eternal just as well.
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  You just pick and choose scientific studies that suit your bronze age belief system, like you pick 'n' choose verses from the Bible that you personally like to follow.

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  by maisteri on October 25th, 2009

• maisteri, calm down. Tell science that the Law Of Causality doesn't mean anything. Tell the scientists that study Astronomy, specifically Cosmology that the universe is eternal, they will simply chuckle at you. This conversation was going well until you decided to get caustic. If the universe is eternal (did not have a cause) then God could be eternal (did not have a cause) as well.
  You complained that I'm picking and choosing scientific studies to suite my bronze age beliefs. What scientific studies specifically am I picking and choosing? We could include Evolution in this conversation but I have been told more than once in AB that Evolution doesn't deal with "first causes" only what happens after. Where do you stand on that issue?
  What other scientific studies should I include in this conversation? What scientific studies, other than Astronomy, deal with first causes and the beginning of the universe?

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  by The Galaxy Hitchhiker on October 25th, 2009

• Also maisteri, if you read my initial answer, and all of my comments, not once did I post a Scripture reference that I personally like to follow or any other Scripture reference for that matter. Falsely accusing me of doing so is not a great way to make your own point. Condescending remarks about God and my beliefs don't make your point any more valid. You have succeeded only in humiliating yourself when it could have been avoided. Had you kept this conversation on an adult level, I would have been more than willing to continue it. But under the circumstances, I'm going to have to unsubscribe from this thread.

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  by The Galaxy Hitchhiker on October 25th, 2009

• So you proclaim yourself the winner and flee. You truly are just another creationist... you folk never make any sense...

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  by maisteri on October 25th, 2009

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• the christian God obviously.

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  by Damn Regret on October 20th, 2009

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• But everything has a cause, right? Isn't that the basic principle Christians keep telling us about. Why is god exempt from that rule, but the universe isn't?

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  by maisteri on October 24th, 2009

• The reason is simple. He is God Almighty.

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  by leeks5229 on October 24th, 2009

• If you want to play by the rules of logic, then do, and don't make exceptions to them. If you insist that everything must have had a cause, then god must have one too. If we were to accept that something is eternal and did not have a cause, then it could just as well be the universe itself. God doesn't solve anything, it just causes more problems.

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  by maisteri on October 24th, 2009

• Thanks, Leeks. :)

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  by Trissinger on October 24th, 2009

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• lol.. Thanks BannedMan.+5

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  by Kimmy on January 25th, 2009

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• lol.good answer. :o)

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  by Kimmy on January 25th, 2009

• thnx ! :D

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  by Demonica on January 25th, 2009

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• So one could as well believe that the fundamental forces of the universe were present for eternty, and this gives you less to explain and is therefore more likely.

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  by 773491 on October 23rd, 2008

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• hmm.. perhaps

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  by htja5721 on March 28th, 2008

• Intriguing question nonetheless.
  
  I find it highly possible that our minds themselves restrict us from knowing or being able to know what god is and why It exists and what the universe and/or universes are about.

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  by OmarFW on March 28th, 2008

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• We are all figments of God's imagination? That could be the answer!

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  by Bernie on October 29th, 2005

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• How do you know that? What measurements have you made upon God to determine it? How do you know that the creator of the current, finite, universe was not itself finite, but upon a larger scale? And with another, even greater, creator above that? What evidence have you to back your assertions?
  
  And what is this "Bayer formula" which you keep talking about? Google knows not of it, which suggests it is pretty obscure. If you mean Bayes formula, that can certainly not prove the existence of God.,

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  by Im Alec on May 6th, 2012

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• Really excellent ++

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  by writemyselfaletter on November 2nd, 2009

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• It is one possibility, and far more plausible than the god popped it out of his ass in the beginning thing ; - )

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  by The Scotsman on October 16th, 2009

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• hahaha why thankyou for clearing that up

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  by paulthom12345 on July 21st, 2009

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• Thanks.

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  by Kimmy on January 25th, 2009

• very true!

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  by mellow_girl on January 29th, 2009

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• I'll pray for you.

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  by ExactlyTwentyLetters on December 14th, 2009

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• Nothing can exist independently of everything else. You make a judgement that it can't, and by that judgement you rule out the possibility. "What is impossible for men shall be possible with God."

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  by Fastetti on October 17th, 2009