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by kat on August 19th, 2009
Because they have no legitimate complaints.They just want to preserve a broken system because it pays them to protect it.
by Rinky Dinky Do on August 14th, 2009
Do you realize that the 'anti-health care bill crowd' are the ones who need it most? Particularly, the part that provides for unlimited mental health care, electro shock therapy and unlimited internment in mental asylums
by Schonberg on August 21st, 2009
Not being an American,am I right to understand that the US Government wants to start a national health service which is paid for by national insurance and taxes like ours in the UK? All I know about American health care is that a citizen has to pay for his/her own health insurance and pay their doctor for consultations.
Our health service started in 1947,and before that it was very costly for people on low incomes to get adequate health care.Since those early days our health service has improved vastly,and although there are still a few teething problems we all get well looked after.
We pay a prescription charge of £7.20 ($11.13) per intem.For people who need regular medication the can buy a 12 month pre-payment certificate costing £104 ($165.36). People with life threatening conditions such as heart or thyroid promlems etc can get a exemption certificate from their doctor.
If you are getting opposition in America to the new health proposals it could be that some of your politicians are being lobbied by the health insurance companies who will no doubt loose out if and when the new system is implemented.I would appreciate your views on what I have said?
by Legend In Your Own Mind on August 19th, 2009
The right plays the same game in religion debates.. Play the victim because it's the only ammunition they have or know how to use and oddly enough it's worked for over 2000 years.
by Mr. Knowitall- The Poli Sci Guy on August 14th, 2009
because they dont =)
if they did, then they would actively engage in civil discourse, but they dont, so they make up lies/rumors to get people scared, build on their fear, and then just let the fear spread simple as that
by Wide Awake @ has closing date woo hoo on August 14th, 2009
Because it's impossible to have legitimate complaints about a proposal that isn't even finalized, except "Waaaaaaaaaaa! They're going to cut off everyone's head and sell it to China!!!"
by Bob on August 15th, 2009
since 9/11, the neo-cons have used fear mongering as the only weapon in its arsenal. fear is a weapon that can shape the opinions of perhaps enough gullible people so that they might just win this battle. in politics, its seldom about truth, reality, the numbers.
by vincentcent on August 14th, 2009
The Blue Dog democrats have some legitimate concerns about the bill. The Republicans are hoping they have found a chink in the armor of President Obama. So they trying the old divide and conquer. Divide the Democrat vote/ opinion further and discredit the president.
by MasterS on September 19th, 2009
You already answered your own question, they dont have legitimate complaints. Republicans wouldn't care if you gave them everything they wanted, they wont support a public option, they are more then likely in the pockets of the insurance groups.
by evandad on September 19th, 2009
There's probably billions in unwarranted revenue that's at stake. The insurance and pharmaceutical companies are going to fight this as hard as they can.
by Elwood on August 14th, 2009
Doesn't anyone find it strange that I have heard the phrase "death panel" as a left-wing attack talking point easily five times more freqeuntly than I've heard it from any citizen or non-leftwing pundit?
by Beavis - the other white meat on September 19th, 2009
Seems neither side is very interested in factual statements to me.
by princesscountrygirl on August 14th, 2009
Those aren't the only complaints out there- the number one reason is because it's not the government's job to control/regulate our healthcare. I want to pay for MY healthcare not everyone else's, including people who won't work. This is the united states, everyone has the same opportunity as the next person, that is why we live in a democracy -- we are not socialists here. I think if you researched the issue more you would find more complaints than what you had mentioned. Conservatives will always feel that way about it and liberals will always feel the opposite, so if there aren't complaints other than that it will be the same ol argument, ya know what i mean? +3
by Wynper on November 23rd, 2009
They use these tactics, the politics of fear, rage and name calling, opposition without reason or any thoughtful alternative and so on because it is what they themselves respond to.
by Shatzee coming back? on August 15th, 2009
Boy, are you all in for a big surprise if this thing gets passed.
http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_overview_obama_072909.pdf
by the pipelyr on November 23rd, 2009
they all listen to that right wing bullshit ,because they can not think for themselves like rush limbaugh that pill popping junkie told asshole but he can say what he wnts ,freedom of speech but there are idiots who think its all true they are the real dumbones
by More2Be on September 19th, 2009
No lies. If hospitals are forbidden from verifying citizenship or residency prior to providing care then that is care for undocumented aliens. Govt deciding what treatment is or is not cost effective for desperate pts is death panels.
According to section 163, the standards will “enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service . . . ” In addition, they will “enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with related health care payment and remittance advice.”
Read it.
by josie III on August 21st, 2009
Which one of those is the obvious lie? All are being debated in congressional committees.
by Leanne on August 20th, 2009
There are many legitimate issues with this legislation, besides the ones you mentioned; the federal government would be overstepping state laws in several areas. This should NEVER happen but is more and more frequently and this must be dealt with harshly by the states and very soon. The federal government is out of linr.
The issue of abortion is a huge problem for most people. Abortion is NOT healthcare. And Christians consider it murder and in accordance with their laws, they cannot fund it.
Ezkiel Emanuel is the main consultant on this bill, therefore the certainly will be voted out in 2010 worry about death panels. One only has to read any of his papers which have been published in The Lancet and that says everything anyone needs to know about intentions. Does anyone actually BELIEVE this administration is going to grow some morals? I don't beieve so and am not willing to give up my freedom to choose. Why should I/ 80% of Americans are happy with their healthcare. I pity the foolish Congressmen who are duped into votingfor this crappy legislation. They
by Mean Sixteen on September 19th, 2009
It simply stuns me that people can be so blind to what is going on. You call these lies?
Death Panels? Maybe the exact wording is incorrect but since Obama's boy Emanuel himself says "doctors pay too much attention to patients and should think society as a whole instead, and decide whether money would be better spent elsewhere" I don't see how that can be taken any other way than if you are old and not really worth it you will just be told to die quietly. I can deal with calling that a death panel.
Illegals? This has been proven true by Congress themselves. After Joe Wilson's outburst they had to amend the bill to put verification into it because IT WASN'T THERE ALREADY. (side note, I don't think it matters if this is addressed because, next, I think they are going to make them all citizens anyway)
I can't speak to the electronic funds transfer. So I won't.
My question is why, when faced with REAL OPPOSITION to their vision for the country, does the left simply call us racists and liars to try and turn us into the bad guys?
I will suggest that it is simply because when the true facts are taken into account they are on the wrong side of what Americans want.
Americans want a better health care and health insurance system with access for everyone. But, I don't believe "most" Americans want a bureaucratic, government run debacle that the liberals really want to force down our throats.
by CaptainHarley adores his life penguin on November 24th, 2009
This will be one of the most expensive programs ever proposed in the US. That's why I oppose it.
by Libertarian on September 19th, 2009
the leftists always attack the sources of the information. They are afraid to debate the issues, preferring to smear others with false labels.
The Democratic plans in congress will insure illegal aliens and will impose rationing of our health care.
Politicians will have the power to dictate our treatment options. I ma sure age will be a factor, which is why senior citizens are not backing Obama on this. The cost cutting he proposed will come at the expense of those enrolled in Medicare.
by Anonymous on November 24th, 2009
In case you don't know it, llegals are ALREADY receiving all the benefits which we (at least those of us who still pay taxes) pay for.
by Fallbrookguy on October 26th, 2009
There is a simple answer to what works and what doesn't for this topic as it relates to the USA. It's been attempted twice- once in MA and once in HI. Both times it failed and this was on a small scale.
The facts that people want to see are the "facts" that they will see. Death panels are a stretch, but this is not in accordance with the Constitution on the other hand niether is medicare and medicaid or Welfare.
These are programs designed to keep polititions in office, as are many of the decicions that polititions have.
Bush was an idiot but he didn't try to "fundamentally channge America".
What is the number of nurse practitioners that a physician can supervise?
by Answerbag Staff on August 13th, 2010
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Please explain in as much detail as possible please.
by cloud1012005 on November 15th, 2011
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Who regulates medical software such as EMR& EHR?
by Answerbag Staff on July 26th, 2010
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I find the complaints valid.
Illegal aliens already get health care at taxpayer expense. The reforms juts make it easier for them.
by Libertarian on September 19th, 2009
But would you rather pay a $100 copay for a checkup visit, or $1,000 for an emergency room visit?
by quack is whack on November 23rd, 2009
Kat: Your answer does not make sense unless you are saying that America's "broken system" is cheaper for those who oppose chnage then whatever system will be put in its place. And if this is the case, what makes the system "broken."
by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on November 24th, 2009
It costs more for people who have no insurance!They pay more than anyone,if they are able to pay at all.It keeps going up faster than anything.It is controled by insurance companies and medical lobbies.That is not for the people.
by kat on December 7th, 2009
Kat: Over half of America opposes the health bills being proposed by Congress. These people are half of “the people.” Why would half of “the people” want to pay more for healthcare?
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The answer is they don’t. These people oppose socialized healthcare because it will cot them more for less quality of care.
by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on December 7th, 2009
If you had a family member who worked for years and got laid off,had no insurance and out of money,then had a stroke,and Refused medical help because he couldn`t pay,what would U do?..It happened!But we did get him help,finally! It`s VERY important to get help Fast after a stroke,but because he wanted to be Honest and pay his own way,he is pretty messd up!...I wonder how many other people this has happened to....Where is the PROOF that insurance will go up if we have national health care?How high would be too high too save a family member?...How can we afford to spend unlimited amounts on foreign WARS and destruction,but just can not afford to help AMERICANS!!!????OhLook?
by kat on December 7th, 2009
Maybe 1/2 Americans are healthy and they or their family members never had much need of medical help,YET!
by kat on December 7th, 2009
“Where is the PROOF that insurance will go up if we have national health care?” Where is the PROOF that it won’t? We can have a discussion on the merits of this (although the points have already been made elsewhere), but the bottom line is that those opposed to the healthcare bill do have legitimate complaints. Government has ever been able to reach the efficiency of the private sector.
by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on December 7th, 2009
You are ignoring one operative fact: Over 270 million Americans already have health coverage, and many more don’t have coverage by choice.
by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on December 7th, 2009
U are ignoring sick people who have NO CHOICE!..U are saying maybe costs will rise or maybe they won`t...But costs Will rise for health care because the facts are that they have been rising and Will continue.People NEED HELP....but u don`t want to hear that because Your insurance MIGHT go up?..I just can`t get that,OHLook.
by kat on December 7th, 2009
I am not ignoring anything. Yes, healthcare is expensive. This is true in the private market, and will be equally true for socialized medicine. We can cut costs by cutting quality (but most American’s don’t want this).
by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on December 7th, 2009