ExMormons a Mormon Convert on Answerbag said the following: "I find Mormonism to offer the greatest level of free will than any religion while still balancing accountability" Does this assertion match your experience in the LdS Church?

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• Thank you for your answer. +6
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  BTW, have you checked out the presentations from this year's ExMormon Foundation conference yet? They had some utterly incredible presentations this year:
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  http://www.exmormonfoundation.org/audio2009_low.html

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 29th, 2009

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• And this is typical of Mind Control Cults: You sign a blank contract and then the leaders fill in the requirements later.
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  The best example of how this deception works is the infamous "Milk before Meat" in which "hard" or "difficult" doctrines are with held until the "initiate" can "handle them" (i.e. is in a deeper snapped psychological state than they are now).
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  +6 for your answer.
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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 25th, 2009

• That's why as a convert of 12 years of age I had to wait to be 'endowed' in the temple either 1) When I recieved a mission call or 2) When I got married. Number one came first for me, by the time I got round the the second one I was already excommunicated. I did however at age 12 (after about a year in the church) got to the temple to het 'sealed' with my family. So I've been through it all really. If you would have put me in that endownment room at age 11 when I was thinking about being baptised or not, I probably wouldn't have been baptised - it would have probably scared me or at least been really weird!

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  by Richard the Anonymous on October 30th, 2009

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  Your story reminds me of Azra Evan's classic White Paper entitled, "Families Held Hostage: http://keystonebooks.com/FAMILIES_HELD_HOSTAGE.pdf
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  The White Paper opens like this:
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  'Early Mormon leaders were also quick to see the power of family ties. They did everything they could to strengthen Mormon families including inventing the non-Christian doctrine of eternal marriage and eternal families. Jesus did not teach eternal marriage and families nor did any of the Biblical prophets. (see Matt. 22:23-30 and Luke 20:27-35) Strangely, this doctrine is not found in The Book of Mormon either! However, LDS Church services often include sermons, songs, poetry, and dramas depicting the doctrine that “families can be together forever.”'
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  He then goes on to explain HOW Mormonism violates free agency via the Endowments and other unBiblical rites and practices.
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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 30th, 2009

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• LOL. Very astute point! +6

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 2nd, 2009

• pay lay ale.

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  by iDeath on August 2nd, 2009

• My favorite ale . . . I'll take a dozen!
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  ;-)

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 2nd, 2009

• Have you tried Salamander Sloe Gin

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  by iDeath on August 2nd, 2009

• LOL. I'll only drink it if it's WHITE!
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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 2nd, 2009

• CTR brother IT

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  by iDeath on August 3rd, 2009

• Nice!
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  I Choose The Right, right now . . . White Salamander Sloe Gin followed by a Pale Lay Ale chaser!
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  It that doesn't take me to the Celestial Kingdom nuthin' will Brother Charles!

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 3rd, 2009

• I'd rather laugh with the sinners then cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

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  LOL. I dunno mate - when you're on the outside looking in the Saints can be pretty darn hilarious!
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  ;-)
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  So funny that at times you need a box of tissue!

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 4th, 2009

• I liked the priesthood amnual from 87 or 88 where they referred to the boy's unit a 'little 'factory' The more you use it the more it will be in production. I showed that to everybody. Better than Dice Clay.

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

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  Deconstructor wrote a great piece on that - if you haven't seen it, it's well worth the read:
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  http://www.concernedchristians.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=42&func=view&catid=526&id=79979#79979
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  The material on Kip Eliason is sobering (sorry to get heavy here for a minute). It reminds us that this insanity can have very serious consequences.
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  Anyhow, there's the link I found the material very interesting indeed!

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 4th, 2009

• no link, thinbk they intercepted it?

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

• That same manual had a lesson on thought control. Think of your mind as a play. Off in the back stage is Satan. Don't allow him in your performance. JHC

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

• LOL. Let's try that link again . . .
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  http://www.concernedchristians.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=42&func=view&catid=526&id=79979#79979
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  And I forgot to credit it to Deconstructor but it's his great work (as usual!). My bad on that one!
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  >That same manual had a lesson on thought control. Think of your mind as a play. Off in the back stage is Satan. Don't allow him in your performance<
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  But of course it's NOT a Mind Control Cult!
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  ;-)

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 4th, 2009

• I don't have to think......

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

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  Once the Brethren have spoken . . .
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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 4th, 2009

• What is this? put 'er there. I signed up for that newsletter.MY handle is Tonygoes.

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

• Nice!
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  ;-)

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 4th, 2009

• Hey I remember a verse. There are worlds many and gods many. Can't find it.

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

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  Probably the best source for that is the King Follett discourse:
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  http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htm

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 4th, 2009

• Guess I'm doomed forever. Shake my dust off your Doc Martins

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  by iDeath on August 4th, 2009

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  Well mate that makes two of us! See in eternal darkness?
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  I'll bring the Pale Lay Ale if you bring the White Salamander Sloe Gin!
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  ;-)

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 4th, 2009

• Bring a candle under a basket and I'll bring the horses of the apocalypse. John Paul George and Ringo. We can listen to Helter Skelter in outer darkness. Don't forget the year's supply of food.

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  by iDeath on August 5th, 2009

• DOH! I knew there a reason to hoard food, I just couldn't remember what it was!
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  ;-)

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 5th, 2009

• Oh boy, someone who had never been a Mormon would miss a lot of these jokes. White Salamander aye yah! >_<
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  But on a seriouse note:
  "But of course it's NOT a Mind Control Cult!"
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  Come one now, that's a tip on how to control your own mind and avoid lustfull thoughts. You don't seriously think it's a bad thing to control your own mind do you?

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  by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on October 25th, 2009

• >You don't seriously think it's a bad thing to control your own mind do you?<
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  Nope.
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  But that's the problem: In a Mind Control Cult someone or something else is controlling your Behavior, Input, Thoughts and Emotions.
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  And I WAS in a Mind Control Cult so I'm speaking from experience not just pure theory.
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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 25th, 2009

• People will always defend THEIR cult until the realize it is a cult. Otherwise they ar in effect admitting to being weak minded. When it becomes tiresome to defend their faith, eventually, they will stop. I did.

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  by iDeath on October 29th, 2009

• > Otherwise they ar in effect admitting to being weak minded <
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  Honestly, I never felt that way.
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  I feel angry, I felt deceived, and I felt stupid. However, I never felt weak minded.
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  After all you have some exceptionally bright people in cults.
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  The leader of our particular 'branch' on the West Coast was literally a "Rocket Scientist". He had a genius I.Q. and gave a big bucks career as a Physicist to become a minister.
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  And the really sad part was that everything - and I do mean EVERYTHING - was done with the best of intentions.
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  The leaders of the cult were good men who fell into error and got caught by their egos after that.
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  Thankfully they got turned around - which is why my particular Mind Control Cult doesn't exist any longer.
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  However when I was in it, yes, I did defend it to the death. So I understand why the Mormons here on AB get so rabid. After all this is "Holy War" right?
  (or so they think)
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  ;-)

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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 29th, 2009

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