Would you welcome a free home bible study from the Jehovah's Wittnesses? Why or why not?

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• In God's eyes blood is sacred. We show respect for life by not endangering it and by not eating blood._Deuteronomy 5:17; Acts 15:28, 29.
  

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  by tabithap5 on February 8th, 2007

• excellent! keeping an open mind and not being afraid of things that you do not know are great attributes

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  by donna4700 on June 30th, 2008

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• Honest answer...Just wondered why you're an athiest.

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  by Holiday on August 31st, 2007

• This question.."why" is too beneath you? Or are you just an "answer wimp". [Hit and run...no explanation provided] So...you cant answer...WHY? [Or wont?]

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  by Holiday on September 11th, 2007

• Nothing but trouble? Please explain.

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  by Holiday on December 30th, 2007

• cult??? how so?

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  by donna4700 on June 30th, 2008

• Maybe its fear of the unknown!! as obviously it is, Obviously theirs a big lack of knowledge, as they are far from a cult. This idea is no basis in reality and has no connection to the facts. I am not a Jehovahs Wittness and nor do i want a bible study. But i do have respect for people who stand up and be counted for what they believe, especially when they have to face so much discrimination

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• The issue is not about the JW's dedication, it is about what type of gospel they are delivering. If the only thing one wants to get is some good instructions as to how to live, they can also get good life instructions with the Mormons. The big problem is that these groups don't come with the same salvation plan that is within Scripture. The JW's use a private version of the Bible which attempts to make Jesus an angel, thus not God as is clear in any other Bible. The mormons have more than the Bible as their authority. The Book of Mormon, etc has no actual proven history but the Mormons still accept it as historic fact. The jesus of Mormonism considers Jesus to be the spirit brother of Lucifer. There is nothing wrong about knowing what these groups believe but their conclusions about redemption and who the historic Jesus is are flawed and must be exposed so that people are at least forewarned that these and other religeous groups do in fact have a different unBiblical salvation plan.

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  by ex-landlord on November 3rd, 2009

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• Indeed "religion" has brought much harm to mankind and I can understand why you feel like you do.

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  by Wendora on February 4th, 2007

• It's interesting that in JW's home Bible Study's they address the root of why religion is causing harm and conflict.

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  by Holiday on August 31st, 2007

• I don't have access to these, but I would be very interested to know what it says is the root of why religion is causing harm.

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  by e-shroom on September 2nd, 2007

• False religion began on earth when the first humans disobeyed God and accepted the Serpent’s proposal to decide for themselves “good and bad.” In Babylon, after the flood, Satan propagated certain 'fundamentals' of false religion, which included the religious concepts of an immortal soul, fear of the dead, the existence of an infernal underworld, together with the worship of innumerable gods and goddesses, some of whom were grouped into triads, or trinitys. When God confused the languages, these beliefs were carried to the ends of the earth, and with the passage of time, these basic ideas underwent variations...however, notice that these same basics are found in most religions. Although thwarted in his attempt to create one united false religion, with its world capital in Babylon, Satan settled for these diverse forms of false worship which diverted 'true' worship from Jehovah, to himself. But by and large, they form the fabric of false religion in all parts of the world. Satan uses these 'false' teachings to cause separation and hatred amonge humans. EG: Muslims hate Jews because they deny Jesus...and they hate 'professed' Christianity because they make Jesus God himself. In Ireland it's Protestant vs Catholic....etc. Satan viciously hates every human on this planet and his objective is to murder us all, or use us to do his will. [1John 5:19]

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  by Holiday on September 5th, 2007

• 1 John tells us the "Whole world is under the influence of the wicked one". I don't know how old you are...but is it too difficult to see the 'personality' of the world taking on a meaner disposition, matching the personality's of the demons...daily? Jehovah promises to end this situation, caused by the first humans, very soon! The Churches teach there are two results from death...heaven or fiery hell. The Bible, however, tells us Jehovah will return the earth to a paradise...like he purposed...and we can live here forever...with no more sickness, pain, war, or even death. [Rev.21:3,4; Ps.37:9-11; Isa11:6-9] e- shroom ...did this help?

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  by Holiday on September 5th, 2007

• In other words...religion causes more harm!

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  by Holiday on September 11th, 2007

• This helped a lot. Thank you. The notion that the variations between religions are accounted for by the fact that they are "false religions" headed by Satan is very interesting indeed. I'm not sure I agree but it certainly leaves the doors open if I want to solidify my beliefs and still have an explanation as to why religion is causing so much harm around the world. Although I must say, while I know it isn't a religion as such, Buddhism, to me, possesses the most advanced belief system as far as consideration for life and self and the peaceful advancement of the human race are involved.
  
  Thanks again for taking the time to write this up for me, and sorry I took so long to reply, I had a little break from answerbag, I think they are necessary sometimes! :-)

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  by e-shroom on October 1st, 2007

• Holiday: Nowhere in the bible does it say that He will return the earth to a paradise. Christ said (praphrased) that when He died we also died with him IF we accepted Him as our savior through faith alone, and that we will be with him in heaven.

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  by Abbyguy on October 7th, 2007

• [I hope to return with credulity. I started my medicine yesterday} AbbyGuy..you claim "the bible does NOT say that He will return the earth to a paradise". WHAT! You are VERY mistaken! First...Who is "He"? If the earth will "NOT" be returned to a paradise...as you say...what will be its future? Please explain Isa. 11:6-9; Ps.37:9-11, 22, 29; Isa.2:4

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  by Holiday on October 7th, 2007

• These passages speak of things that will happen on a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, not a re-newed heaven and earth. Rev 21:1 says: "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea." The sea is a symbol of the people that WERE living on it. It's a whole new ball game, and those died IN Christ wil be co-rulers in heaaven over this newly populated kingdom.

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  by Abbyguy on October 8th, 2007

• Please explain...Are you saying this scripture is referring to a "different" earth? Isn't this 'our' earth that has been...reborn? [Please supply scripture.]

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  by Holiday on October 9th, 2007

• Like the bible says there will be a NW earth and a NEW Heaven the old ones wil be GONE.
  Ps 102:25-26 war out like an old garment, Is 51:6, the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies, Matt 5:18-"For truly I say to you, UNTIL heaven and earth pass away, Matt 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33-"Heaven and earth will pass away, Heb 1:10-12 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed." 2 Pet 3:7-But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, 2 Pet 3:10-11 the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
  Rev 20:11-And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

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  by Abbyguy on October 9th, 2007

• Is 65:17, 17 "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. 2 Pet 3:13-But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. Rev 21:1-And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away.
  
  There aill be NO memory of this time or anything about the earth after Jesus takes care of everything.

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  by Abbyguy on October 9th, 2007

• So...you are saying that...THIS earth...was a failed project! God made earth as a garden paradise...Man was to live forever on it...BUT you are saying..Satan has the power to thwart Gods purpose. Now God has to revamp his purpose? Please! Are you really stating that you cannot tell "figurative" scripture..from "literal"? JW's claim this is figurative! Examine the evidence. Abby..If, as Rev 21:1, everything is literal...and the 'world' is to be destroyed...then "heaven" is to be destroyed as well...correct? I ask you...not only HOW is 'heaven' [a spiritual place] burned up...but WHY!

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  by Holiday on October 9th, 2007

• I said nothing....God said it in His word the bible. You can not pick and choose the scriptures you want to believe.

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  by Abbyguy on October 10th, 2007

• You avoided the question...as usual!

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  by Holiday on October 17th, 2007

• I avoided nothing. I am saying that the bible is the final authority and if it says that then it WILL happen regardless of what you may think. Why do you people take the bible as something that you can choose and change the scriptures that fit your beliefs?
  Example: John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God ad the Word was God" J.W.'s added the word was "a" god correct? You say this is in keeping with your beliefs because there is only ONE true GOD, Jehovah,correct?

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  by Abbyguy on October 17th, 2007

• [Delayed due to my IP having problems] Yes...Jehovah is the ONE true God 'Almighty'. At John 1:1, JW's have not 'changed' the scripture! As you are aware I have posted 10 'other' translations whose wording conveys the same meaning as the NWT. In Greek, there is no article 'a', therefore, it is the translators responsibility, as in John 1:1, to render this sentence so that it harmonizes with the context, as well as the rest of the Bible....such as Joh 1:18;6:46; 1Joh 4:12. Also, it does not break any laws of grammar, as Acts 28:6 is grammatically exact with Joh1:1 and places an 'a' before 'theos' [god].
  Either things are literal, figurative, or symbolic. You claim this earth will 'literally' be destroyed...therefore, explain Eccl.1:4. If you are correct, then God must have forgotten this an is confused. It only harmonizes if 2 Pet.3 is figurative.

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  by Holiday on November 25th, 2007

• If Jesus is "a" god then you and I have a HUGE problem! We are following a false god, because if there is only one true God then all others are false as the bible itself says. It has to be without the "a" added to be correct an to "harmonize" with the rest of the bible.

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  by Abbyguy on November 25th, 2007

• One must take scripture in context! When 'other' nations with their 'trinity' gods, challenged Jehovah as not being God "Almighty".....he made 2 statement's...he is the ONLY true God...and he is ONE. As in 'Almighty. Abby...The fact that there are 'many' real [not Almighty] gods is undeniable! [1 Cor. 8:5] Biblicaly...one who judges or rules...is a 'god'. [Ps 82:1 (look in different trans).] Therefore, Jesus... as well as Satan, are gods. 2 Cor.4:4. But NO God is 'Almighty'...except Jehovah! When he says he is the only true God...he is saying..he is the only Almighty...and there is NO other like him!

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  by Holiday on November 25th, 2007

• You are missing the point. If Jesus is "a god" then He is a "false god" according to what you are saying and this can not be, that is herecy. Satan a false god yes, I agree, because we do not follow him, but how can you lumo Jesus in the same category as satan? Why is so har to fathom that an all powerful "GOD" who is in a form that we do not and can not comprehend would be 3 in one? He exsists in another dimension outside our reality, I don't think that your allowing Him to be GOD at all, your putting Him in a box so you can understand Him, which you/I never will.

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  by Abbyguy on November 26th, 2007

• One problem is in our definition of Monotheism and Polytheism. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, "Sometimes above the many gods, a polytheistic religion will have a 'Supreme creator' and focus of devotion." Therefore, abby, a type of Polytheism exists, with exclusive devotion to 'One' God. However, the acknowledging of ONE as Superior...as stated by Britannica, really makes it Monotheism. This is the take of JW's...and it seems, the Bible. Please, just relax...and reason. Ask yourself...what makes a god true or false? Think about that. A 'True God' should receive exclusive devotion. Lets review Satan and Jesus. Is Satan a god? Yes! There is no dispute. [2Cor. 4:4] Is Jesus a god? YES! There is no dispute. [Joh1:1] Does Satan ask for exclusive devotion... YES! [Lu.4:7,8] Does Jesus? NO! [Joh5:30; 6:38; Lu.22:42] Although they are both gods...seeking devotion makes Satan 'false'! Jesus is a god...but NOT the 'TRUE' Almighty!

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  by Holiday on November 26th, 2007

• Jesus is the creator of all things:
  Gen 1:26-27-Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness..." And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him. Is 44:24, John 1:3, Rom 11:36, John 1:10, Eph 3:9-...God, who created all things...
  Jesus is the sustainer of all things:
  Col 1:17-He [Jesus] is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. Heb 1:3
  Jesus the Savior":
  Is 43:11-"I, even I, am the Lord [Jehovah]; and there is no savior besides Me." Is 45:21, Hos 13:4, Titus 1:3-God our Savior,
  Titus 1:4-Christ Jesus our Savior, Titus 3:4-God our Savior, Titus 3:6-Jesus Christ our Savior.Jesus has authority to forgive sins: Mark 2:5-7,10-And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, "My son, your sins are forgiven."...who can forgive sins but God alone?" "...the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins", Luke 5:21 Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"
  Luke 5:24-"the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins

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  by Abbyguy on November 28th, 2007

• Give glory to Jesus: Is 42:8-"I am the Lord [Jehovah]; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another."
  Is 48:11-"I [Jehovah] will not yield my glory to another." Thess 1:12-...in order that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you...2 Thess 1:12, 2 Pet 3:18, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 5:11-14.
  Worship Jesus: Matt 2:2 We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him." Matt 4:10-Then Jesus said to him, "Begone, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord [Jehovah] your God, and serve Him only.'" Matt 14:33-Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."
  Heb 1:6-And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." Rev 5:8-And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Rev 14:7 Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."
  Jesus is sovereign: Matt 25:31, Heb 2:8-In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him.

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  by Abbyguy on November 28th, 2007

• Jesus is God: Deut 32:36,39-the Lord [Jehovah]..."See now that I, I am He, and there is no god besides Me..." Is 9:6-And he [Jesus] will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Is 10:21-A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God [Jehovah]. Is 43:10-the Lord [Jehovah]..."Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
  Is 48:12-"I [Jehovah] am the first and I am the last"
  Rev 1:17-18-"Do not be afraid. I [Jesus] am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!" Rev 2:8-These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. Rev 21:6-7-"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End...I will be his God" Rev 22:12-13,20-"Behold, I am coming quickly...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22:13-16-"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End...I, Jesus, have sent my angel..." Phil 2:6-Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God... Col 2:9-For in Christ ALL the fullness of the Deity [or, Godhead] lives in bodily form

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  by Abbyguy on November 28th, 2007

• Holiday: What more proof do need to see that Jesus is GOD. Pleas take your own advice and read the bible look at the eveidence an let go of your pre-conceptions.

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  by Abbyguy on November 28th, 2007

• Just wondering abby...how can you "tilt" your devotion? IF God IS 'three'...shouldn't 'each' one be worshiped equally? BUT...you don't! You have tremendous praise for the Son...very little for the Father...and the HS is a butler of some sort! Not to diminish his deed, BUT all we hear from you is Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. NOT Father, Jesus, HS. How many times do we hear..."Praise the Holy Spirit?" Abby...explain Rev. 3:14, that Jesus is the Fathers first creation! By the way...Rev.22:13, the name "Jesus" is NOT in the Greek scriptures! You wrote: "Phil 2:6-Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God...HELLO Abby! NOT "God", but..."in the 'form' of God"! Research Biblegateway.com for a clearer understanding!

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  by Holiday on December 10th, 2007

• How is it that I provide more than enough proof on the subject and you ignore it and bring up something that has been covered?

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  by Abbyguy on December 11th, 2007

• Skirting the issue as usual. Thats the point...you have prooved nothing that shows Jesus is equal to his Father! You suggest reading the Bible...OK, I just read John 5:19: 6:38; and 7:16. Jesus says respectively, "The Son cannot do anything from himself, he can only do what he sees the Father doing." "I have come down from heaven to do, 'not' my will, but the will of him that sent me." "What I teach is 'not' mine, but belongs to him that sent me." Lets not forget Jesus words at John 20:17, "I have not yet ascended to...'my' God." Four scriptures out of dozens! Clearly Jesus denies equality to his Father.

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  by Holiday on December 12th, 2007

• Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God, but because Jesus was also a man and as a man he was in a lower position. He was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (Heb. 2:9). Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ."
  Jesus has two natures. Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was merely acknowledging the fact that He was also a man. Jesus is both God and man. As a man, he was in a lesser position than the Father. He had added to Himself human nature (Col. 2:9). He became a man to die for people.

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  by Abbyguy on December 12th, 2007

• A comparison can be found in the marriage relationship. Biblically, a husband is greater in position and authority than his wife. But, he is no different in nature and he is not better than she. They share the same nature, being human, and they work together by love.
  So, Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was simply acknowledging that He was also a man and as a man, he was subject to the laws of God so that He might redeem those who were under the law; namely, sinners (Gal. 4:4-5).

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  by Abbyguy on December 12th, 2007

• Something else from the WTS. Oh how they love to change dotrine!
  "The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Yes we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. While he was not the God, Jehovah, he was a God. The word ‘God’ signifies a ‘mighty one,’ and our Lord was indeed a mighty one. So it is stated in the first two verses of the gospel of John. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father. . ." (The Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216.)

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  by Abbyguy on December 12th, 2007

• John quotes Jesus at 20:17, as saying, "I have not yet ascended to...'my' God." Clearly, if Jesus has a God he asks for assistance from, than he is NOT equal but inferior to this God! You cannot explain this so you ignore it. Your last statement eludes me. As far as I can see, there is no change in doctrine as you falsely allege. [Tell me...what religion do you follow, abby? Or are you too frightened to speak up?] Are you saying since God approves of his Son being worshiped...that makes him equal to the Almighty? Try answering all of these comments!

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  by Holiday on December 17th, 2007

• I am a member a Mennonite Brethren Church in Abbotsford Canada, hence the name "Abbyguy". I explain it this way. As a man He was inferior to God the father, but in heaven in His rightful place He is 100% equal in every way!
  Let me ask you this; Genesis 1:26 says "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness who was being referred to when it was said in...Who the our that is being referred to? Yes God approves His son to be worshiped because He was God incarnate, if He was not to be worshiped Jesus would have said something. He would have reprimanded anyone that would have done so. Now maybe you can explain the above quote, why you (JW's) worship another god other than Jehovah? Is that not against everything that you stand for?

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  by Abbyguy on December 17th, 2007

• You say..."As a "man" [human] He was inferior to God the father, but "in heaven" in His rightful place He is 100% equal in every way!" So abby...why does Jesus...60+ years "after" his resurrection into heaven, state Jehovah is "his" God? Rev.3:12? Owh..and the "Mennonite Brethren Church" which began in '1936', was called the South Abbotsford Mennonite. This is whom you put your faith, and yet you give grief by stating a 1889 Watchtower?? I am too tired at this point to continue! [BUT...I wil}

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  by Holiday on December 17th, 2007

• In Gen 1:26 it is referring to Jesus. God uses the Hebrew word A'sa, which means 'make'...'not' create, which is 'Bara'. The same word Jesus referred to at Matt.19:4, when speaking about his Father. Proverbs 8:30 explains that God used his Son to assist in his creation. So abby, if worshiping someone is proof of equality with God, how do you explain 1 Chron. 29:20? 21st Century KJV..."And David said to all the congregation, "'Now bless the LORD your God.'" And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads and worshiped the LORD and the king." According to your thinking, this makes King David equal to God. How is this possible?

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  by Holiday on December 18th, 2007

• You should really research your info better. Mennonites are a branch of the Christian church, with roots in the radical wing of the 16th century Protestant Reformation. Part of the group known as Anabaptists (because they re baptized adult believers), the Mennonites took their name from Menno Simons, a Dutch priest who converted to the Anabaptist faith and helped lead it to prominence in Holland by the mid-16th century. Modern day Mennonites number almost 1 million worldwide, with churches in North and South America, Africa, Europe and Asia. Mennonites are known for their emphasis on issues such as peace, justice, simplicity, community, service, and mutual aid.

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  by Abbyguy on December 18th, 2007

• You must have gleaned your info from the net and got it all wrong, South Abbotsford Mennonite Church is just "a" church in Abbotsford and one of probably 20 Mennonite ones. Is this how you do your theological research as well? Better check your facts. As for worshiping King David the KJ is the only version that translates it that way. I looked at 10 others and they do not, so I will have to get back to you on that issue.

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  by Abbyguy on December 18th, 2007

• What about revelation 22:12-16 it says this: 12 "Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
  16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
  
  It is Jesus who is talking "the Alpha and the Omega" and in Revelation 1:8 it says this "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." So Jehovah who you say is the Almighty is Jesus according to this, right?

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  by Abbyguy on December 18th, 2007

• No, I used "The Religions of the World Made Simple", with your group being rooted from the Anabaptists of 1515..then dividing into 'Calvinism'. Your group solidified in 1936. If this is wrong, I will thank you for clarification. If you do decide on further research into the worshiping of King David...start with the original Hebrew word used there, "sha'chah", which also appears at Deut.8:19, as well as the other 39 Hebrew scriptures with the English rendering of 'worshiped'. Although there are answers, I will not hop-scotch around with you. Again you avoid Jesus' proclamation in heaven that his Father, is 'his' God! How can this be if they are equal??

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  by Holiday on December 19th, 2007

• Hop scotch around with me????? You have avoided answering most of my questions in this and other posts, only choosing to bring up topics that suit you and avoiding the hard ones like the Alpha Omega issue where is says as plain as day that Jesus is the Almighty God, but you won't even address the topic so I am closing this conversation. You are hopelessly lost in the your dogmatic religiosity. I'll pray for you though because the "real" truth escapes you.

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  by Abbyguy on December 19th, 2007

• It does 'not' say Jesus is Almighty, abby. I told you I would be glad to answer your question, when we are finished with the one previous. Ignore 'my' questions by redirecting and asking others...then you accusing 'me' of ignoring yours?? 1 Chron. claims the people worshiped the King. You say this makes David, God. Jesus claims the Father is 'his' God...yet you claim they are equal. It appears you wont answer because you understand the reality is, it proves the trinity weed is bogus. Stop skirting these 2 issues, please, and answer.

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  by Holiday on December 19th, 2007

• 1st) The difference is that David never claimed to be God, the son of God or His only begotten. People worship all sorts of things but it does not make them God, and NO that does not justify your point.
  2nd) While Jesus was on earth He was fully human in fact the bible calls Him a little lower than the angels yet He had ALL the qualities of His father except being a spirit. He was perfect, He never ever sinned, He id things that only God could do such as forgive sins and do many many miracles.
  Now my point: Jehovah calls Himself the Alpha and the Omega, the First and last, so does Jesus in Revelation (the book Revelation is about the Revelation if Jesus after all); Revelation 1:8
  "I am [Is 41:4; Rev 21:6; 22:13] the Alpha and the Omega," says the [Rev 4:8; 11:17] Lord God, " [Rev 1:4] who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

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  by Abbyguy on December 19th, 2007

• Rev 12 "Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, [Rev 21:6] the beginning and the end. It is Jesus Himself that is speaking when He says: 16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." then Rev 17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. Who is coming? Jesus. The book starts saying; Rev 1: The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. Then ends the same way saying Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. All about Jesus.

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  by Abbyguy on December 19th, 2007

• TY for answering the one part of my question. Yes, you are correct that worship does not always mean 'devotion', as when the people worshiped the King. This is true with most Hebrew and Greek words that can denote 'worship'. It is the 'context' that determines in what way the respective words are to be understood. As with David, the King of Gods Kingdom on earth...and King Jesus, the King of Gods Heavenly Kingdom. Jesus states, "The Father is 'greater' than I am."--John 14:28; At Rev.3:14 Jesus says he was the Fathers 'first' creation, and in vs. 12 exclaims The Father is his God. These scriptures are not controversial in the world of theology, therefore, the context show Jesus is inferior to his Father, and the worship he deserves is 'utmost respect'! Jehovah God, the Father, the Almighty Creator, and Ancient of days, clearly states that proper 'devotion' belongs to him exclusively! You claim, "While Jesus was on earth [Jesus] was fully human", but the Trinity does NOT claim this. It refers to Jesus as 'God/man'! As you know, Revelation is not simple reading. Many times there is often an intertwining of who is speaking as there are "two" who sit on thrones... [not three]! Add to this, the KJ Bible...being the most popular for centuries, has inserted Alpha and Omega 'spuriously' when referring to Jesus, as in Rev.1:11, and erroneously inserted the name "Jesus" into 22:13.

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  by Holiday on December 21st, 2007

• It is understandable that people reading this for hundreds of years would be confused. Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega and it is referring to 'time', as he has no beginning. Notice at Daniel 7:13, Jesus is being brought before "The Ancient of Days"[Jehovah]..separating him from that title! Also notice vs. 14 where Jesus' rulership was "given" to him! Matt.28:18, Jesus states, "All authority has been 'given' me in heaven and on earth." If he were equal, he would already posses these things, would he not? Clearly he is 'not' equal! Rev.1:8 is referring to Jehovah. In fact, many translations of Rev. into Hebrew use the name Jehovah, here. At Rev.1: 17,18 Jesus refers to the title bestowed to him, the 'first and last', regarding his unique resurrection. [Phil.2:9-11] Jesus was the "first" human resurrected to heaven. [Joh.3:13;Col.1:18] `He is the "last" to be resurrected by his God, as his Father has 'given' him the authority over all resurrections. [Rev.1:18; Joh. 11:25] Jesus also made his Fathers superiority clear when he was asked to assign the 'right' and 'left' seat, when Jesus came to power in heaven. He answered, "...these are not mine to grant; but for those whom it was prepared by My Father." (IB)

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  by Holiday on December 21st, 2007

• Sorry can't agree with you on these points. Revelation is clear on who is talking, who is Alpha and Omega, who is coming and who Revelation is All ABOUT. I used the New International Translation for this debate but I can and will find similar wording most of the other translations available if you like?

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  by Abbyguy on December 21st, 2007

• 1) You keep stating Jesus is equal to the Father...Try explaining the question you keep dogging...Rev. 3:12! Jesus proclaims his Father is 'his' God! Abby, you keep avoiding this question. 2) Why is it so difficult to comprehend...the Creator took his 'first' creation...and made him human? [Abraham and Isaac!] After sooo many scriptures that show Jesus is inferior to his Father...Why do you refuse to see this? .....I see that the Mennonites are known for their "emphasis on issues such as peace, justice, simplicity, community, service, and mutual aid"...just as you said. I just want to say...regardless of "our" views..[even though you're wrong], your group is a credit to the community!

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  by Holiday on December 22nd, 2007

• Evidently you are going to ignore explaining equality of Father/Son with regards to Rev. 3:12, where Jesus proclaims his Father is 'his' God! Why, abby, is it so difficult to believe that God could transfer the life essence of his first creation...his only begotten Son...the 'only' direct creation by God...into the womb of Mary? His miracles make him God? What about Elijah, Paul and Peter...who all resurrected the dead? Certainly these most powerful miracles did not make them equal to God! It showed they all had Gods backing! You also claim the 'New earth' will be a different planet, as it will NOT [according to you] be a "renewed" earth. Explain, please, Isa.45:18 "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it "simply for nothing", who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."

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  by Holiday on January 3rd, 2008

• I show you a number of places that prove that God IS Jesus and you throw this back then accuse ME of ignoring the question....you need to take your own advice. One scripture does NOT make a theology! Answer my questions, you have avoided every one of them.

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  by Abbyguy on January 3rd, 2008

• You are twisting the truth and are being unkind...as I have done my best to answer every question you have asked! In my last comment I gave you a BIG answer...yet YOU will NOT reply! YOU keep dodging Rev.3:12. Why? I have answered EVERY one of yours!! Its been months now...Abby...STOP AVOIDING REV:3:12!! You claim this earth will be destroyed...Yet I pointed out Isa.45:18 "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it "simply for nothing", who formed it even to be inhabited". Two scriptures...just answer! Your side-stepping is embarrassing to the Mennonites. Please answer REV:3:12!!

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• If you read revelation closely you will see it is clearly a revelation of Christ, His second coming and all the events that will unfold soon. We have to look at it in conjunction with what the rest of the book an the bible say, so we must ask ourselves if it is consistent with the rest of the bible and Gos holy word? In this case it would not be if we just looked at it alone so we cmpare it to scriptures like # Revelation 1:8
  "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." (notice it says: who is to come, who is this? Jesus of course) also Revelation 21:6
  He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. (Jesus is called the water of life) And lastly: Revelation 22:13
  I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

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  by Abbyguy on January 4th, 2008

• It is Jesus who is talking, Revelation is ALL about Jesus, the terms of God the Almighty and Jesus are both used to describe them both. The bible is clear that there is a triune God and that God the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all equal in every way, they are just three parts of the same "spiritual being." God the Father is called the head, Jesus is at the right hand and the Holy Spirit is the comforter sent to us to help us feel Gods presence and to guide and direct us. Revelation 3:12 refers to God the Father, the one seated on the throne, whom Jesus often referred to as His Father and and in this case His God, a term of reference and respect. I now exactly the point you are trying to make, I did answer before but you missed it, perhaps because I ws not clear in my statement. I think we both agree that the bible is the final word an that there are NO contradictions? So if this is the case then we must use all the cross references to see just what is being said.

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  by Abbyguy on January 4th, 2008

• I will discuss the topic of the earth another time. Have a good night.

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  by Abbyguy on January 4th, 2008

• You did not explain Revelation 3:12, which I have asked you to do for weeks! Jesus referring to the Father as His GOD...does NOT...as you say "in this case His God, a term of reference and respect." You are on medication? Jesus is clarifying Jehovah is his God! ABBY...WAKE UP! THE FATHER IS JESUS GOD!! Do not go any further until you explain this!

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• Are you blind? I just did.

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  by Abbyguy on January 4th, 2008

• Abby...No! Revelation is not "ALL" about Jesus! Ch. 1 vs 1 the Father GIVES Jesus this Revelation. If they were equal, wouldn't Jesus already know it? [Answer this] When commenting on Rev.3:12, you say, "Revelation 3:12 refers to God the Father, the one seated on the throne, whom Jesus...in this case [refers to as] His God, a term of reference and respect." WHAT! THIS answers the question? You pronounce that Jesus claims the Father is "his God"...out of respect??? What does that mean? [answer this] Jesus continually refers to the Father as his superior! NO...It is YOU who are blind! You side-step this issue with unbelievable illogic. Prov.16:18!! And I asked...Isa.45:18 "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it "simply for nothing", who formed it even to be inhabited". Isn't God telling us it is "this" earth that will become new?

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  by Holiday on January 5th, 2008

• Holiday: You need to understand it is a positional relationship not a literal one. Just as I am the head of my household (she recognizes me as the boss, or head, but I am in NO WAY superior to my wife, we are all equal in Gods eyes. (an no this does not prove that God and Jesus are separate, because we know the bible tells us otherwise). It is your personal frame of reference as a human being that seems to be limiting your ability to SEE God as God. A God beyond yours and mine comprehension. Us trying to understand God is akin to a fly trying to understand us, it cannot be done. Quit putting God in a box, He is far more than you give Him credit fof.

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  by Abbyguy on January 6th, 2008

• Regarding your reasoning about the longevity of the earth, please rea these scriptures: Ps 102:25 26 ... They will perish, but You will endure; Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. Is 51:6-"Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies." Matt 5:18-"For truly I say to you, UNTIL heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished." Matt 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33-"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away." Heb 1:10-12-He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed."

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  by Abbyguy on January 6th, 2008

• continued:
  2 Pet 3:7-But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire. 2 Pet 3:10-11-But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. 2 Pet 3:12-the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat
  Rev 20:11-And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

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  by Abbyguy on January 6th, 2008

• So we can see clearly that Heaven and earth WILL pass away or be destroyed, by fire. If this is the case we will need new ones. The bible also answers this saying: Is 65:17-Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth... 2 Pet 3:13-But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. Rev 21:1-And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away.
  Please make NO mistake, the bible is very claver on these points, there will be a new Heavens an a new Earth.

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  by Abbyguy on January 6th, 2008

• Your husband/wife illustration would work except Jesus and Jehovah are not equal! One was created the other the Creator...whom Jesus worships! Calling the Father his God, speaks for itself. You cannot scripturaly justify this statement as ONLY 'respect'!! Your problem is you take everything literally. Referring to the future, at Ps 72:7, God assures us there will be peace "until the moon is no more." According to 'your' thinking, there must be a time when the moon no longer exists, and chaos will rule again. You must understand, Abby, that the 'earth' is not always the literal earth, such as at Ps.96:1, where the earth sings a song to God. This is also true regarding Ps.102. Notice the superscription which reads, "A prayer of a man in misery when he is fainting away and pours out his complaint to Jehovah" [Byington] The afflicted one who is 'in misery' could logically think about the everlastingness of Jehovah in relationship to the physical heavens and earth, which are perishable, and 'could' be destroyed. Therefore, the 'person in misery' can always count on God to be there for help. Can we be sure this is not literal? Yes, because in Psalm 148, after praising the sun, moon, sky, waters in the sky,etc. vs.6 reads, "he established them forever and forever.His orders will 'never' be revoked." [Tyndale] Ps 78:69;

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  by Holiday on January 8th, 2008

• "The earth he has founded forever" [Interlinear] ...104:5, [God] laid the foundation of the earth, that it should not be removed forever."KJ; Ec 1:4 "the earth is standing to time indefinite." [NWT] Compare Jesus' words at Matthew 5:18: "Truly I say to you that 'sooner would' heaven and earth pass away [or, "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away," Luke 16:17] than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law..." Not that they will! This fire referred to at 2 Pet. 3, must, therefore, be figurative.
  Fire is used in Gods word to mean a 'cleansing'...by the destruction of what is bad. Compare--1Co 3:10-15 It is the 'evil' that is in the earth that will be destroyed, as 2Pet.3:7 clarifies. Like the earth...the 'old' heavens also contained "evil"! Satan and his demon followers came and went from heaven as they pleased. [Job 1:6,7; 2:2:1, 2] Once Gods Son Michael and his angels battled with them and cast them out for good...along with the establishing of the new governmental arraignment of the 144,000, who rule with Jesus...heaven became 'new'! [Rev.12:7-12; 14:1,4;20:4-6] Same literal heaven and earth, but 'evil' free. [Ps.37:9-11, 22, 29, 34]

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  by Holiday on January 8th, 2008

• It's funny how you take everything in the bible literally until it does not suit your argument. I am afraid we will never agree. BTW, Jesus was NOT created He was the first of all creation, meaning He was before all along with His father and the Holy spirit.

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  by Abbyguy on January 8th, 2008

• Rev.3:14 Jesus claims to be...The "beginning" of the CREATION of God! Hello!!! DO you see the word...CREATION...here? O..and what about Col. 1:15? Jesus is "The 'firstborn' of all "Creation"! Since the Father created Jesus...he is "greater" ...therefore Jesus calls the Father his God...and he cannot do a single thing unless the Father OK's it...Are you blind?? Clearly this shows Jesus is inferior!! Jesus pleads he is inferior...yet you TWIST the scriptures and side with Satan that Jesus is Equal to his Father, helping to validate the Trinity doctrine Satan propagated centuries before Jesus was born, and that Jehovah God MORE than despised! If you cannot reasonably answer to me how the Father is Jesus' God....then how will you answer to Jesus, and Jehovah? You have had your chance. We are through!

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  by Holiday on January 10th, 2008

• Why are you getting so angry? I am not in league with Satan, sorry to disappoint you. You are not reading it correctly He was the first of creation, meaning He was before everything and anything. I came up with not less than 60 scriptures that show that Jesus IS what I am testifying He is. That seems to be enough "proof" for my needs, how about you?

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  by Abbyguy on January 11th, 2008

• He is from everlasting (Mic 5:2).
  He was in the beginning (John 1:1).
  He is before all things (Col 1:17).
  He had glory with the Father before the world was (John 17:5).
  He existed in the form of God (Phil 2:6).
  He was God (John 1:1).
  He is the Firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15).
  Through Him are all things (Heb 1:2).
  All things were made by Him (Col 1:16).
  God attributes Jehovah's creative works to Him (Heb 1:8,10).
  All things were created by Him and for Him (Col 1:16).
  He made man in His own image (Gen 1:26,27).
  The Father sent Him (John 6:57).
  He sought not His own will, but that of His Father who sent Him (John 6:38).
  The way was prepared for Jehovah, then Christ came (Matt 3:3).
  He was Immanuel-God With Us (Matt 1:23).
  All the angels of God worship Him (Heb 1:6).
  The magi worshiped Him (Matt 2:11).
  He was the Son of God (John 10:36).
  He who has seen Him has seen the Father (John 14:7-9).

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  by Abbyguy on January 11th, 2008

• The Father was greater than He (John 14:28).
  He could do nothing of Himself (John 5:19).
  He did nothing of Himself (John 8:28).
  His Father gave Him the words which He spoke (John 12:49).
  He knew not the day nor the hour of the end (Matt 24:36).
  A cured blind man worshiped Him (John 9:38).
  He would raise up His body (John 2:19,21).
  No one has greater love than Him (John 15:13).
  He was one with the Father (John 10:28-33).
  br. The Jews believed that He made Himself equal with God (John 5:18).
  He forgives sins against God (Luke 5:24).
  He gave men power to be born of God (John 1:12,13).
  Those in the boat worshiped Him (Matt 14:33).
  His 11 disciples worshiped Him (Matt 28:16,17).
  The Father's name has been given to Him (John 17:11,12).
  He is heir of all things (Heb 1:2).
  God raised Him from the dead (Acts 2:24).
  He ascended to His God (John 20:17).
  He appeared in the presence of God (Heb 9:24).
  He sat down at the right hand of God (Mark 16:19).
  God highly exalted Him (Phil 2:9).

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  by Abbyguy on January 11th, 2008

• God glorified Him (Acts 3:13).
  He was made better than the angels (Heb 1:4).
  God made Him Lord and Christ (John 2:36).
  All men should honor Him as they do the Father (John 5:22,23).
  He is the First and the Last, as is Jehovah (Is 44:6, Rev 1:17,18).
  In Him dwells all the fulness of the Deity in bodily form (Col 2:9).
  He is the exact representation of God's nature (Heb 1:3).
  He is above all (John 3:31).
  He sustains all things (Col 1:17, Heb 1:3).
  He is eternal Father (Is 9:6).
  He is Mighty God (Is 9:6).
  All things that are the Father's are His (John 16:15).
  All authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Him (Matt 28:18).
  He is mediator between God and men (1 Ti 2:5,6).
  He is in the bosom of the Father (John 1:18).
  He is Lord of lords (Rev 17:14).

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  by Abbyguy on January 11th, 2008

• BTW is funny (not really it's sad) how you can't prove your point so you jump on another one in hopes that you can prove yourself right in that respect as well. You will never prove anything except that the JW'S take their doctrine from misguide leadership. We are basically on the same team why so harsh?

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  by Abbyguy on January 11th, 2008

• I wasn't angry abby...I just felt our conversation had run its course and no more could really be said, that's all. And noo...I don't believe you are Satans adviser. I do realize you are sincere, and I respect that. The relationship of the Father and the Son is simple....before anything was created, there was Jehovah. His first creation was named Michael. He was very special, in that he was the only creation 'directly' created by the Father... making him, the 'only begotten'. He was in the beginning...before all things. The Father...Michael's God, used Michael as his instrument, or 'master worker', in the creation of everything else...every other angel, planet, everything! He loved and imitated his Father to the letter...being 'one' in thought...an exact "representation" of the Father. When mankind lost everlasting life...and Satan was slandering his Father, the 'only begotten' Son agreed to be sent to earth, as a man, to vindicate his Father and God, that he loved so much. While on earth, his Father supplied him with the power of his Holy Spirit...the same power used in Creation...to perform miracles...proving God was backing him...and showing mankind what he will do in the future when the earth is restored to paradise. He clarified this in the Lords prayer..."let your will be done 'on earth'... as it IS in heaven. Earth run by his Father.

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  by Holiday on January 11th, 2008

• When he passed the test, he returned to heaven to an elevated position...with every knee, other than his God's, bending to him, offering worship...Not devotion. If you re-read your list, you'll find everything [except errors in translating create/made] falls into this blueprint. The trinity claims Jesus was still God in mans form, however, God cannot sin, making his trials of little weight. Michael, on the other hand, was NOT God, and because he was "pure" man, could have taken the same course as Adam. Understanding it Was possible that Jesus could have sinned...shows the full magnitude of his life and trials. He is Not equal to his Father and God, but second in command...always making sure everyone around him understood this. Satan is crafty...inventing the trinity thousands of years before Jesus' birth. Then...to dishonor Jehovah God...and now he has succeeded in adding Jesus. I have provided many scriptures, and you have even provided your own to prove what I just wrote. Jesus said the world hated him...and would hate those who taught like him. When I said, "I'm through"...there's nothing harsh here, abby...it just calmly saying that it seems all has been said.

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  by Holiday on January 11th, 2008

• Well abby...surprised? I waited, but you are too smart to ignore my answers. Therefore, your dismissal of my comment, although silenced... it must have struck an "honest" bone! Every scripture you gave....solidly supported JW doctrine!! My goal...[as I believe is yours] is that we [you and I]come to 'know" the "TRUTH" about the Creator'...and to "GET IT". I still feel your heart is true...just strip off Church doctrine and "listen: to the scriptures!

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  by Holiday on August 21st, 2008

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• Ditto, me too.

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  by munchkin_kids_downunder on February 5th, 2007

• I was just wondering what you felt about your Bible study. Were your questions answered? IS the Bible divinely inspired?

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  by Holiday on October 9th, 2007

• I've read it cover to cover twice and studied it for about 20 years. The Bible is probably the most evil book ever written, and carries no hallmarks of having come from a greater understanding or intelligence. In fact, rudimentary historical study shows the Mosaic Law to have been copied from the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi and the Ten Commandments are derivative of the Egyptian Negative Confession with the sole exception of the commandment to worship one deity.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 9th, 2007

• Couple this with the "holy and righteous" Yahweh ordering the wholesale genocide of men, women, children, the elderly, the pregnant, and sometimes animals and trees of over 65 cities makes it horrific. Oh, I forgot the female virgins. Sometimes they were allowed to keep them alive and rape them. This isn't the divine revelation of a superior mind, it is the written religious propoganda for a military and political campaign. Even if I were to believe Yahweh existed, I certainly wouldn't find Him worthy of my spit, let alone worship.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 9th, 2007

• By your comments, if you did indeed "study" the Bible...you did it in private. Your comments of the Bible being a rudimentary history copying the Hammurabi Code is regurgitate of those who "never" really studied the Bible. [You never have...correct?]
  You claim "Yahweh" was horrific to destroy the Canaanites?? Perhaps you should read 'Halley's Bible Handbook' and be clear on the subject. Those people murdered their children and sealed them into the wall of their home's [for good-luck]...as a sacrifice to 'Baal'..then make more baby's to appease Baals wife. Even the authors were perplexed as to why "Yahweh" waited so long to destroy them! It appears you parrot others do not have a legitimate thought of your own regarding Gods word!

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  by Holiday on October 17th, 2007

• I've read it cover to cover four times in my life, my father read the Bible to me every night before I went to sleep, was raised Protestant Christian, studied the Bible for decades in Sunday School, and did my historical studies as part of a large research paper on the origins of Abrahamic belief in a senior level collegiate class in Comparative Religions. My information comes from Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, etc professors and research teams. Yes, I think that any genocide is horrible. Your description of Marduk (Baal) worship is far wide of the mark, btw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marduk

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• I think you sound like the one parroting beliefs that your Christian preachers/ministers/teachers taught you without having done your own research. In fact, I was Christian when I began my research. I sat out to prove and substantiate my beliefs. What I found is, coupled with the contents of the Bible, the reason I'm no longer Christian. You make many assumptions.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• I have mispoken in my first comment to you. It is indeed 4 times, not 2, that I've read the Christian Bible. Now, I also did not say that the entire Christian Bible was derivative of the Code of Hammurabi, only the Mosaic Law including, see #196 http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/hamframe.htm , "an eye for an eye". I also find it interesting that you seem to think I shouldn't study it alone. Why not? Why do I need someone to tell me how to view the text? Do I not have a brain of my own? Is it about understanding, or about indoctrination?

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• Yes, Antigone I did make assumptions and I thank you for clarifying your educational background. As you know, there are many baseless and inaccurate accusations that are made on 'both' sides. You sound very bitter toward God. You make strong accusations against him and support your hatred by making the impressive announcement that you studied in prestigious circles. You state you have read the Bible 4 times in your life, [which is impressive in today's times], but may I ask...which Bible? Also, please correct me if I am wrong...but didn't your Bible "study" come from your Father? Forgive me, but...you claim credentials from "Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, etc professors and research teams"...then rebuke "Halley's Bible Handbook", which carries a respected 'religious' weight in theological research teams.. and then quote your sources from 'Wickipedia'? Whats up with that?
  Also...I did not describe 'Marduk'...I described 'Baal' and his fertility goddess wife, which you claim was 'off the mark'. Antigone, you are wrong...it was a "bulls-eye"!! You asked, "Why do I need someone to tell me how to view the text? Do I not have a brain of my own? Is it about understanding, or about indoctrination?" I refer to Acts 8:27-34... was the chariot driver lacking in intelligence? Of course not...and you don't appear to be lacking either.

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  by Holiday on October 17th, 2007

• Did he need assistance in understanding? Yes....he did! [And it was a 'good' thing] I will answer 'any' Biblical question with a Biblical answer...if you answer my question....what were you taught about God to make you 'hate' him so?

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  by Holiday on October 17th, 2007

• I'm not bitter toward God. I have no problem whatsoever with Osiris, and worship Him quite regularly. I'm not Christian. I don't wish to be. The Bible's contents quite clearly tell me that Yahweh does not exist. However, if Yahweh did exist He is not worthy of worship. From Biblical descriptions, He is the most evil being of which I've heard.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• I have never once claimed credentials from Cambridge, Oxford, or Harvard, and certainly not in theology. Theology is a completely different branch of study. I've researched and studied findings from history, archeology, anthropology, sociology, and comparative religions from research teams at this. I have read the Christian Bible 4 times. I've read the Jewish Torah (English translation) once. I've read many other Bibles and scriptures from many other religions. You, however, sound less and less credible. I can assure you that none of my statements are baseless, and I can document and give evidence for every single one of them.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• I give links to Wikipedia as it is free, the online encyclopedias I read are not. Thus, most people who read my answers will not be able to access the links. This is, also, not an academic research paper. It is an online question and answer forum. If you want access to my extensive research, you can compensate me for the time spent doing what you could do on your own had you a mind to. It is you who are beginning to lack credibility. You start from a conclusion, "If you don't view/understand the Bible the same way that I/believers do, you must not have studied it, or you must lack an understanding." This is an arrogant, hasty conclusion with more logical fallacies than I care to point out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• What you talk about isn't a study to heighten my understanding, but one to lead me to believe as believers do. The idea is quite clearly, "Study until you agree with us." (Which, quite frankly, would never happen, because the more I study the Christian Bible, the more abhorrant the teachings are, and the more brainwashed the Christian 'teachers' sound.) Until I do this, you are going to cast aspersions on my knowledge, understanding, competency, and mental capacity. The process you recommend and are trying isn't research, study, or understanding. This is indoctrination and brainwashing. Now, unless you can step away from the ad hominem arguments, I'm quite finished with this conversation. I will, however, leave you with a few links.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/431352 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/431324 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/427371 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/427204 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/422074 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/422046 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/422034

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  by AntigoneRising on October 17th, 2007

• If incest is your thing...Mother-and-son worship was very popular in Egypt. The relationship of Osiris and Isis and their respective characteristics strikingly correspond to the relationship and characteristics of the Babylonian Tammuz and Ishtar. Hence, numerous scholars consider them to be identical. Interestingly, when Pharaoh constituted Joseph second ruler of the land of Egypt...Joseph was thus 'elevated' over the worshipers of Egypt’s false gods. Ge 41:37-4 You say regarding your comments: "I can document and give evidence for every single one of them." then you ask for compensation? That's a first! Now I must "pay" you to explain yourself? Your weak explanation that Wikipedia is free, therefore, it is what is best for all readers, contradicts your "Pay me" approach. HELLO...you are aware of the ..."Library"?

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  by Holiday on December 10th, 2007

• You said..."I give links to Wikipedia as it is free, the on-line encyclopedias I read are not. Thus, most people who read my answers will not be able to access the links." WHAT? I can access Wik, but I am too lame to access another link? Please! Just a thought...are you against war? You said, "Yes, I think that any genocide is horrible." Any? Lets use Hitler. If he won the war...and he and his entourage ruled the earth...and he began HIS quest of genocide...you are NOT comfortable with 'his' genocide? If you cant respond without a tantrum... The teachings of Christendom do not reflect the Bible! Contrary to your little speach..I DO encourage 'research'! Basically sir...you are a 'blow hard'!

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  by Holiday on December 10th, 2007

• Ok, I'm sorry, but you've actually made me laugh. You encourage research enough to call me "sir", when I clearly state everywhere (including my profile) that I'm female? Oh, and I've already explained myself. What you need to pay me for is doing your research, because looking it up and verifying is your job - not mine.

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  by AntigoneRising on December 10th, 2007

• Sorry...mam. I am limited on computer time and my research is directed toward what is important, which leaves out your profile. If limiting ones understanding by cleaving to Wikipedia as the only 'free' source, when librarys are available...enjoy your bliss.

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  by Holiday on December 12th, 2007

• I see you side-step [its your job..or pay me??] the difficult questions by using..."gender"? [I assume you are finished laughing] That is such a sorry excuse for the inability to answer! [Now I'm laughing] Of coarse you claim to produce 'ad hominem arguments'...another "side-step" of your inability of logically answer! Also, you said: "My information comes from Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, etc professors and research teams." and then said: "I have never once claimed credentials from Cambridge, Oxford, or Harvard, and certainly not in theology." Hhhhmmm! Liar, liar! Also "YOU"..."AntR"..claim that 'Genocide' [Gods pronouncement to Canaan] is NEVER admissible...yet historians question Gods patience..because of their child molestation..death by fire...etc., NOT soon enough! They are wrong? Perhaps you should re-evaluate!!

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  by Holiday on December 30th, 2007

• You said, "Oh, I forgot the female virgins. Sometimes they were allowed to keep them alive and rape them." That is a lie! You slander then tell me you won't produce a source unless your paid? Unlike the pagan nations, Israelites were NOT allowed to rape the women!! La 5:11; Nu 31:9-19, 26, 27; De 21:10-14. If you did your research you would see that "this God" is just... totally opposite of those worshiped in the surrounding nations! 'Halley’s Bible Handbook' [1964, p. 161] says: "Canaanites worshiped, by immoral indulgence, as a religious rite in the presence of their gods; and then, by murdering their first-born children, as a sacrifice to these same gods." They then 'sealed' the murdered child into the wall of their home to bring luck from their gods. It continues. . . . "Did a civilization of such abominable filth and brutality have any right longer to exist? . . . Archaeologists who dig in the ruins of Canaanite cities wonder that God did not destroy them sooner than he did." Elevate yourself with lies about our Creator? You should be ashamed!

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  by Holiday on January 3rd, 2008

• Holiday I have been looking at a few peoples commenting ability and you seem to be very good at it. I must congratulate you on a job well done. I must say you tend to be a little to emotional, however over all you stick to points and do not deviate from there.

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  by no_one_special on September 26th, 2008

• ........

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  by no_one_special on June 10th, 2010

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• A year later...but a bold and kind comment!

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• You must be gone, but I was wondering if what you meant was you are "set" in your ways.

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

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• Twist?

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  by Holiday on September 15th, 2007

• Yes twist.

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  by Abbyguy on October 7th, 2007

• Please explain 'Twist"! Gospelgirl, If I twist something...inform me! You back out by stating... "I don't really like getting caught up in these kind of questions. Please...What a weak defense! In other words...you "CANT" answer! [Like your 'time in space' question] Again...explain..."twist".

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  by Holiday on October 7th, 2007

• Good morning Holiday. I am basically saying that they tell part of the truth, and the rest is made up. I believe the whole bible is the truth, and you cannot add to it, and thats what I feel like they do.

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  by Singingismystyle on October 8th, 2007

• How many ways can I ask this..."HOW...or WHAT" is made up, or 'twisted'? You accuse me of "twisting...but have NO evidence?? It is people like yourself who "twist"! If you cannot 'define' "twist"...than you are 'exposed'...as a schemer.I was right when we first met!

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  by Holiday on October 8th, 2007

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• Thank you for posting that web address, and thanks for editing my questions? I am sorry if I have been submitting questions without actually proofreading all of them.

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  by tabithap5 on February 4th, 2007

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• Great answer. That is me in a nutshell, three years ago. The Lord did, however, give me a swift kick in the butt through that and now I know the true Bible, much better than I ever did!
  
  Patty

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  by Ananamiss on October 24th, 2009

• You say, "But what I found was that JW's flatly dismiss everything & anything that isn't produced by their own organization... How much sense does that make?!"
  Simply put...You are a liar and a slanderer! The WT organization is well known for their detailed information and the presenting of "all sides" on a subject. This inaccurate description is typical of those who lie to advance their agenda. No need to read further! 3 JW's [ Me, Perryman, no_one_special] who, when answering, consistently use outside sources for reference! Your statement is so easy to examine and find is a untrue...should make you ashamed!

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  by Holiday on October 28th, 2009

• I found the same thing with the witnesses, as soon as I questioned their doctrine's 'flaw's' whilst studying with them. They couldn't wait to get me out of the door!

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  by nathan.fuller.56 on May 14th, 2012

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• That is exactly what I do. Speak up about the validity or lack there of, of the NWT. I don't believe that the Church had no Truth until Charles Tazz Russell came along. I just don't trust this handful of people against thousands of years of devote Christians.

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  by Ananamiss on July 1st, 2008

• Time has gone by! Weaklings attack the people instead of the doctrine. EG: The Catholics [and others] degrade individuals..Martin Luther..etc...and attack them. But lets clear the air. Use your Bible and show scriptures that prove JW's teachings are wrong! CANT? So lets attack their founder...
  Listen...show me "one" doctrine that is wrong...and I will back your 'JW are wrong' mantra.

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  by Holiday on August 21st, 2008

• Well said!

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  by donna4700 on August 24th, 2008

• doesn't it say in the bible to be witnesses to God(Jehovah), cant remember where i have had a wee look but don't know where to start (a bitt rusty when it comes to details)

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• A couple...[Isa 43:10,12;43:8]

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  by Holiday on September 17th, 2008

• I did just that! I spoke up with the Truth of God, now they don't come back. It lead me on quite a trip, believe me.

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  by Ananamiss on December 6th, 2008

• No...all you did was spout.

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  by Holiday on October 28th, 2009

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• LOL! that's by far the best answer yet ladyhawke. You rock!

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  by Chris R Florida on June 1st, 2008

• Why thank you Mr. Florida. I didn't answer why though; it is because I doubt the validity of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

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  by Ananamiss on June 2nd, 2008

• Bible studies are conducted by JW's, using the Bible that is most comfortable with the person genuinely interested. Just wondering which Bible you prefer, ladyhawk?

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  by Holiday on June 2nd, 2008

• Sorry, I never got back here. I use NIV, NASB, King James, the Living Bible... That is right, they were very comfortable with me using my own Bible, but the fundamental differences between 'a god' and 'God' regarding Jesus in John 1:1 are paramount.

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  by Ananamiss on June 14th, 2008

• That's OK. Sometimes I get distracted also. Yes! Paramount is correct! Copies of the original 'Greek' writing by John, shows us that in this verse, these to spellings are different, clearly showing they are Not the same. Did you know that? It is easy enough to see if one reads a reputable Greek interlinear. I have posted, on a different thread, 10 translations other than the NWT that also translates these as having two different meanings. After all...if the Greek word 'theos' always means God Almighty, than reason dictates that Satan himself, who is referred to as the 'theos' [God] of this world, would be part of the Godhead.

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  by Holiday on July 16th, 2008

• Yes, I knew that. I don't believe Jesus is God the Father, but God the Son. I know He is subject in rank and authority to the Father, but He is equal in nature; essentially God.
  Php 2:6,7 "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."

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  by Ananamiss on July 16th, 2008

• Also, Isaiah 43:10-11 basically says, "there was no god formed before me or after" Therefore, I cannot believe that God the Father created 'a god'.

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  by Ananamiss on July 16th, 2008

• Respectfully, I have a hard time believing that the founders of the Watchtower organization are the only group of people able to correctly translate the Word of God. I find that to say one organization is the final authority on Scripture is rather bold. I only know of one other organization that does that and it shall remain nameless.

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  by Ananamiss on July 16th, 2008

• If I am wrong about that, please forgive; it is what I haven been told by my JW friend. Sincerely and respectfully, Patty

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  by Ananamiss on July 16th, 2008

• Hi Patty. I live in a spot where computer access has become a pain, and although I want to answer the many Q, I..so far...have been restricted. Tonight, I Finely believe I have 'tricked' the server'. [Hopefully, we can communicate further]. Thank you for
  your honest expression of your understanding of the WTS...and of your mis-understanding of the Trinity. It seems society's Trinity def. changes from month to month. Just so you are clear...Your def. [as well as Born Again] is NOT the "Churches" def...it is YOUR own personal idea! It appears you don't understand that 'YOUR' Church supports the view that Jesus is NOT subordinate in any way...but is "Totally equal" to the Father, and, Patty..... you know this is wrong!
  The fact that Satan is called a 'god' at 2 Cor. 4:4 [compare 1 Cor.8:5,6] shows the bible teaches there Are 'other' gods'! At Isaiah 43:10-11, you show it basically says, "there was no god formed before me or after".

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

• However, the bible cannot contradict itself...and in 'this' context at Isaiah...the Almighty God of Israel is explaining that the neighboring Nations, who "claim" to worship the 'real' Almighty, are in reality blowing smoke! He is claiming here that he...Jehovah....is the "only" true [Almighty] God. There is NO other ALMIGHTY God in existence except him. [Ps 83:18] You quote Php 2:6,7...but this is a controversial translation! If you please re-read the 'context' you can see that John is actually "severing" these two as "one". So Patty, the Q is..Why does this 'one' verse "reverse" itself from the rest of the context? In truth, other translations show that Jesus was NOT trying to be equal...but separate...keeping in context with this scripture.
  You say, "I find that to say one organization is the final authority on Scripture is rather bold." Yes..I agree! However, logically, since truth cannot contradict itself, there can only be 'one' true religion representing God on earth today. [Eph.4:5] As for how to find the true religion today... Jesus gave humans 5 clues to "clearly" identify "his" teachings as the "true" way..from false teachings. TY for your kind response.

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

• No problem, not everyone is as kind; believe me I know and I thank you for the same. I agree, Truth cannot contradict itself, but I don't believe that any human organization can be completely correct. I am sorry, I just don't trust the Watchtower to completely stop believing what I believe.

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  by Ananamiss on July 23rd, 2008

• I am not even sure that Jesus meant for there to be a new religion. So many things that I am on the fence about that aren't central to my salvation. I believe in the one God sent. We could go on, but you believe as strongly as I do. So, thank you too for your friendly responses.

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  by Ananamiss on July 23rd, 2008

• Regarding, Isaiah 43:10-11, I think it states pretty clearly that God is saying that 'no other god was formed', therefore for me, Christ has to be part of the God Almighty, not a sub-god. I cannot separate Him.

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  by Ananamiss on July 23rd, 2008

• Your understanding of Scripture has come from the sources that you trust and my understanding has come from the sources I trust.

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  by Ananamiss on July 23rd, 2008

• Anyway, sorry to ramble on. Nice to know there is passion out there and people who do want to talk about this stuff!! God bless.

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  by Ananamiss on July 23rd, 2008

• Since God is an 'organized spirit' [1 Cor 13:33] and humans are physical...if he wanted to communicate with us, I ask...wouldn't it be through a 'physical organized' group? Satan, of course, would produce as many physical 'un-organized' groups. [Un-organized as to spiritual direction] You said..."I am not even sure that Jesus meant for there to be a new religion." Jesus did in fact tell us there was a 'new' covenant [religion]! [2 Cor. 11:25; 2Cor.3:6,14;Heb 12:24]
  Lady...When you quote, "Isaiah 43:10-11, I think it states pretty clearly that God is saying that 'no other god was formed'"! However, Satan is called "God" at 1Cor 4:4! Doest your logic dictate he... [Satan] ...is part of Isa's God? Of coarse not! You're smart...Therefore...what can an alternative mean?

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  by Holiday on July 23rd, 2008

• Yes, God is a God of order. Yes, a new covenant, not necessarily a new religeon. This isn't necessarily something I believe, I just brought it up because it is something I am on the fence about, including my idea that there is no one religeon that is the way to salvation. Only Jesus can do that for us. Isaiah 43:11 states that 'apart from me there is no other Savior' which is why I cannot take Jesus out of God and make Him a created God. Jesus cannot be a 'god' unless He is part of The God. John 20:28
  "My Lord and My God!" by Thomas. John 15:9-10, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?"

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  by Ananamiss on July 24th, 2008

• I have been through this all in person before with my JW friend; I am sorry, but I just don't trust the Watchtower translation of the Scripture.

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  by Ananamiss on July 24th, 2008

• Deut. 18:22But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared. You know as well as I know that many end of times prophecies by the Watchtower have been proven false and this Scripture applies.

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  by Ananamiss on July 24th, 2008

• You disregarded Phil 2"6,7...And again you say "Regarding, Isaiah 43:10-11, I think it states pretty clearly that God is saying that 'no other god was formed', therefore for me, Christ has to be part of the God Almighty, not a sub-god. I cannot separate Him." Yet the scriptures are clear that Satan is the God of this world. 1 Cor.4:4! Y do you keep ignoring this? You Quote...John 15:9-10 "Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?" This clearly shows they are two individuals...not equal. When Jesus said.."I do NOTHING of my own will...but I do the will of he who sent me". Isn't this a HUGE clue...they are NOT equal?

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  by Holiday on July 24th, 2008

• I am not igoring or disregarding, we would be here all day! LOL. Jesus is equal in nature, not in rank and authority. You disregarded John 20:28, but I will assume your response will be that Thomas was saying, "lord" to Jesus and "God" to the Father. That is exactly what my friend has said, you'll never convince me that Jesus is not equal in nature to God the Father.

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  by Ananamiss on July 25th, 2008

• Phil. 2:6,7 says that being in very nature God, He didn't consider equality with God robbery, or something to be grasped and taken advantage of, so I don't see that as a good example for you to use for your argument.

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  by Ananamiss on July 25th, 2008

• John 8;58, "I say unto you, before Abraham was I am." Who else called Himself "I am"? Exodus 3:14. See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58,and 13:19 for further references. John 10:30-33, "because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" The Jews reaction to Jesus's statement that He and the Father are one. They knew what Jesus was saying.

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  by Ananamiss on July 25th, 2008

• Because I don't trust the validity of the NWT, and you don't trust the validity of anything but, this is a fruitless debate I guess; one that will be played over and over again until that day.

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  by Ananamiss on July 25th, 2008

• Your reasoning is impeccable. I only hope I can explain...in my OWN words...and not from the Org. that brainwashed me [according to you]. There are several points you bring up. First....Phil. 2:6,7 says that being in very nature God, He didn't consider equality with God robbery, or something to be grasped and taken advantage of". First, this scripture is very controversial as to its translation. Therefore...read the surrounding dialog from Paul. Isn't he explaining that Jesus is NOT equal to the Father? Vs 3 shows subordination. Vs 7-9 shows Jesus became lower than angels...then...after his death, he became superior to the position he had previous to being a human! Just a Q...How can one achieve a "higher" position...if one was 'God' in the first place?

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  by Holiday on July 25th, 2008

• I don't think you are brainswashed, because you can argue that I am too, so please I don't think that. Perhaps I am wrong, because of what I know from my JW friend, she doesn't read anything but Watchtower publications, so I was assuming you don't either. I apologize

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  by Ananamiss on July 28th, 2008

• See, I agree Jesus the Son of God, is subject to the Father. John 14:28 tells us that (in other places too). He is subject to the Father in rank and authority, not in the very nature.

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  by Ananamiss on July 28th, 2008

• Like me, I am subject to my husband in rank and authority in our home (watch the feminists squirm), but we are both equal in human nature: Jesus, the Word, the Son of God is equal in nature to God the Father and is therefore God the Son.

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  by Ananamiss on July 28th, 2008

• There are so many Scriptures that can be argued and controversial. Just look at Catholics and Protestants with the Eucharist. Catholics take it literally and Protestants take it symbolically. The Catholic church teaches that they have the final authority on Scripture, so the door is closed.

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  by Ananamiss on July 28th, 2008

• That is why I am a non denominational protestant; I don't think Jesus ever meant for the door to be closed on discussion. I love wrestling with Scripture and alot of the time, like Jacob, I come away limping, but I can think of no better way to spend my life but seeking and loving God.

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  by Ananamiss on July 28th, 2008

• Cant think of a better topic to meditate on. The problem you have is what the churches are now propagating...the re-defining of the Trinity! When you say, "Jesus is equal in nature, not in rank and authority." What the heck does that mean? It means Polygamy, and that demands Jesus' devotion as well as the Father. Lady...since Christendom cannot refute the Trinity...it is re-writing it! The REAL definition of the Trinity 'emphatically' states that the Son, IS EQUAL in rank! It claims that the Son IS equal in authority! However, the bible is clear that Jesus the Son is NOT equal to his Father. I suggest you ask your clergy...any clergy...if Jesus is equal to the Father. Their answer will be "yes"!
  
  So lets get this clear. You do NOT understand the true def. of Christendoms Trinity! Phil. 2:6,7 is a hotly disputed translation of Jesus words. IF you read the context...you will see John is clearly "dividing" the two, and that Jesus in NO way is claiming Gods headship!

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  by Holiday on July 29th, 2008

• I guess I don't understand Christendom's def. of Christianity, which is why I don't belong to any of Christendom's religions.

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  by Ananamiss on July 30th, 2008

• What then, in our opinion, does "being in very nature God" mean? Scripture is very clear on how Christ is subject to the Father; that I never deny. I cannot, however, take Christ out of God and make Him a god. That would mean we have two Saviors. Read the entire book of Titus. Apart from God there is no Savior. I had help not from a clergy, but a good family friend.

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  by Ananamiss on July 30th, 2008

• NO!!! That does NOT mean we have two "GODS"! The fact that we have "many gods" is manifest in scripture! [1 Cor. 8:5] Jesus IS a god! [John 1:1; as Satan IS a god [2 Cor. 4:4] However, we have ONLY 1 Almighty God..Jehovah! Ps.83:18 The Almighty is Jehovah God that had a foundation, or blueprint, for mans 'salvation'! By using His 'Son, mankind's salvation was the Almighty's [Jehovah] plan...to save mankind from eternal "death" [not torment] to repurchase man from death. Although the Son is within the plan of mans salvation...this does NOT make them equal!

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  by Holiday on August 21st, 2008

• Christendom's def. of Christianity says Jesus and the Holy Spirit is equal to the Father. It claims the HS is a person. It claims they all know the same things...that none are greater...none are less. The Trinity claims Jesus is as powerful...and knows everything The Father knows.
  Clearly this is NOT a Bible teaching! Yet...EVERY mainstream Christian religion teaches it to be true....Except Jehovah's Witnesses! Don't believe me...pick up the phone and investigate yourself!

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  by Holiday on August 21st, 2008

• I would like to understand what the effect would be if one side of this argument was proved right and the other wrong and vice versa, wouldnt Jesus still have saved us no matter what the outcome. It has always confused me and i cant say i have ever really tried to get to grips with it. please correct me if i am completely of track, but couldn't it be a case of a little bitt of both, Like a family unit, with the mother and father and son, all with different forenames, identifying them as individuals, and the last names the same showing their unity. The mother and fathers union creating the life of their son.Jesus came to earth to give us life, only because we identified with him as an idividual and were shown, and felt his human suffering in his death. In his resurection his union with God is shown. doesnt it say in john that "on that day you will realize that i am in my father, and you are in me, and i am in you" surely this shows that although part of him is in his father

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• he says also to the appostles that "he is in them, and them in him" meaning that he is also separate to the father. Also in John "he that does not love me will not obey my teachings. these words you hear are not my own; they belong to the father who sent me" which is pretty much self explanitry. If this is the correct translation. Althogh this is only a little of the hole debate and i may have got it completely wron!!

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• Very good points. At least all three of us, believe in Jesus Chrsit as Savior. Lets trust that the work that was begun in us, will be used to His glory.

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  by Ananamiss on September 13th, 2008

• Having said that, I cannot deny who Jesus really is which is my belief and Holiday cannot deny who he believes Jesus really is. We both believe that the other is wrong and is being mislead by satan.

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  by Ananamiss on September 13th, 2008

• Ananamiss: Thank you for your non-hostile comments. My suggestion is..."thoroughly" ask your 'preacher..minister...Reverend, who Jesus is. Clearly, that way your understanding of what "Churches" say and what JW's teach will be clear.

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  by Holiday on September 23rd, 2008

• I have done my reseach Holiday; believe me. I do not take my stand lightly. I have compared the two at length, with pastors and fellow Bible students. Jesus is God, according to me; which means that no, He is not God the Father, but God the son (equal in nature but not rank and authority). Watchtower teaches that Jesus is a created 'god', which I know you'll say is just a title, but it conflicts with John 17:3 (one true God), not to mention a slew of teaches in Isaiah, especially 43:10-11. Thank you for your comments, I appreciate but cannot be swayed, as I am aware of Watchtower indoctrination strategies. Sincerely, Patty

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  by Ananamiss on September 24th, 2008

• Ananamiss I can see that! I sincerely admire those who personally "dig" for the truth! Although your answers [at this time] are not the results of what 'I' found...I admire you for digging! Just FYI...the "Old Trinity"....up until the mid-90's, stated Jesus WAS equal in 'rank'..and 'authority'! There is no need to make this up, as it is public record,...JW's CRUSHED this teaching so that now...what you are hearing is the "New Version" of the Trinity. [This we can "calmly" discuss if you wish]. Also, the Bible does teach that Jesus was "Created" [Rev3:14]! Isa. 43...[in context] God is speaking to the nations [who claim 'Their god" is Almighty] is expressing HE is the "ALMIGHTY" God!

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  by Holiday on September 25th, 2008

• I have done plenty of talking with other JW of the same, and cannot be swayed. But thank you. You also cannot deny some of the anomalies that the Watchtower taught that did not come to pass either and that droves of witnesses left the religion due to it.
  
  I am sorry, I just don't trust Watchtower sir. I trust the Holy Spirit to guide me, and He (not an active force) has not led me astray as I am with a body of like minded believers. I do pray to God the Father, through Jesus, His son. I just don't believe Jesus is a created angel. He is much more. The First and the Last.

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  by Ananamiss on September 26th, 2008

• If Jesus was NOT created..I was just wondering how you work in Rev. 3:14...where Jesus says he is the "begining" of Gods Creation? Or Col 1:15...where Jesus is referred to as the "firstborn" of all [Gods] creations?

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  by Holiday on October 19th, 2008

• Firstborn does not mean first created; My Bible in Rev. 3:14 says, "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation." The ruler (first born) over God's creation.

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  by Ananamiss on October 20th, 2008

• I have to ask...Do you care about the truth? Rev. 3:14 states Jesus is the "BEGINING" of Gods creation. Now look at your first sentance. My advise is get respected Bible translations and a Bible dictionary...['Vines'] to understand what the writer was saying.

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  by Holiday on August 14th, 2009

• I do care about the Truth; which is why the Holy Spirit guided me far from the Watchtower. The New International version states, 'ruler of God's creation" by the way, I don't trust the NWT at all.

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  by Ananamiss on October 24th, 2009

• And "your Bible" is?

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  by Holiday on October 28th, 2009

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• It has been months since my Email said there was a Q from AB...I now have 31 Q's here at this string...and Lex, I am at a quandry if your Q is aimed at me, or it was anothers, as this is Tabithap's Q? [OK..I'm Back and I am on New Med.] I'll try this again.
  You say you 'do' want to study the Bible? OK Lex...If this is "true" ...ask me anything! Right here out in the open! BUT, then I hear you claim JW do not study from the Bible? You claim JW only want to study from their literature, and therefore this incures inacuracies? This is False! Anyone who has read the Bible can see it can be 'confusing' at times.

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  by Holiday on May 27th, 2008

• Therefore, the Watchtower Sociaty prints articles containing specific areas [and scriptures]in the Bible that pertain to certain subjects...like "Where are the dead", "Who is God", "Why do we suffer pain, sickness, and even death". It is this literature that helps one "use" the Bible to target problemic subjects. So...When do we start our study?

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  by Holiday on May 27th, 2008

• You may write me at
  1451 S Main Street, Troy, MO 63379
  
  This is NOT my home address however I do recieve mail here.
  
  Lex Watson

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  by Lex Watson on May 31st, 2008

• Lex...Is there a specific question or topic you would like to begin with?

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  by Holiday on June 2nd, 2008

• Waiting, Lex.

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  by Holiday on July 23rd, 2008

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• I hear ya Friar, but I believe,in this case, your source was mis-informed. Although he was a 'bad' King in Gods eyes, I don't remember ever reading Jeconiah, Coniah, or the more common Jehoiachin, as having this curse. [He actualy had 7 children in captivity] If you are referring to Jer. 22: 28-30, please re-read it, as it states he would be 'childless' in that his offspring [who should have sat on an earthly throne] would not be successful.

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  by Holiday on January 18th, 2008

• I dunno, it reads kinda clear. "Write this man childless". Of course no one of his seed will sit upon the throne (the second statement) if there are none...
  Anyway, that's a tiny one. There are bigger problems - refer back to zero evidence of a slave race in egypt or the plagues or the destruction of an army, no name for "the pharoah", ra ra ra.

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  by Friartuck on January 18th, 2008

• The bible is factual in some areas, not in others - and in some areas it is the only recording of an event, making the account unreliable (same for any historical document). That's it. Unaviodable.
  Even if the bible got countries, cities and some times right? So? Tom Clancy novels are accurate to that degree - doesn't make them true...

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  by Friartuck on January 18th, 2008

• You say, "The bible is factual in some areas, not in others"... Please explain the last part. Sometimes it is "only [the] recording of an event," as you say, that solidifies the Bibles integrity! The naming of city's that were unknown until their excavation within the last 150 years...makes my point. I ask you...how many Governments magnify their severe losses? If you are honest...you will say, none, as this is well known by archaeologists...and so it goes with Egypt. However...Israel kept records of their losses...in detail! WHY? This is one more reason to believe the Bible is Gods word, as Jehovah MADE his nation write of their defeats, which were a direct result of their disobedience to him. This note is historically fascinating...whether one believes in God or not, is it not?

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  by Holiday on January 22nd, 2008

• Sooo...ignorance is bliss??? Or it relieves one of responsibility?

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

• Sorry - couldn't be shagged continuing.
  Egypt kept meticulous records of everything that went on in their empire - including military defeats, successful invasions by other countries and so on - so the fact that for 400 years of their history there is no reference to a special slave tribe strongly suggests that never happened. No-one has even found other evidence, like slave quarters or anything else.

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• Other countries also have long and meticulous histories that include defeats and trials and failings - that is in no way unique to the hebrews. So no, that note is not 'historically fascinating'.
  The bible (Daniel) lists Belshazzar as a king and the son of Nebuchadnezzer. He wasn't. According to Babylonian documents Belshazzar was not Nebbie's son and was an adviser to kings, not a king.
  David raised funds for the temple in, among other things, Darics. Darics are a coin minted for king Darius who lived 500 years AFTER David.

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• The bible classes a bat as simply a kind of bird - when it is not related to birds in any way. A simple enough error to make 3000 years ago but if the bible is god's word and god made everything, this is a little factoid you would expect god to get right, yeah?

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• The gospels cannot agree on who went to the tomb on the third day, whether one man, two angels or two angels and another man were there. They can't agree on who Mary told or whether she actually told anyone.

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• Pop back to Leviticus and you have the bible talking about 'four legged fowls'. Uhuh. Know any four legged birds?
  According to Deuteronomy, Og was a king of the giants and something like 10 to 13 feet tall. Where are the remnants of such a civilisation if it existed? We should have at least found a skeleton or some ludicrously outsized city ruins in such a well explored area yeah?

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• In Joshua, folk go and destroy the city of Ai - but according to Archeology and Biblical Accuracy, Ai was deserted generations before Joshua could have been there. Joshua says Ai was never again occupied, but later in Nehemiah it is listed as one of the cities in Israel.

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• 2 Kings talks about So - an egyptian king. Problem is, there has never been an egyptian king called So - certainly not at around the time this could be, where the succession of egyptian rulers is incredibly well documented.

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• None of this is a big problem unless someone tries to insist that the bible is somehow a uniquely accurate historical document - so unique an all-knowing god must have helped make it. It just isn't. Even though it mentions cities that we discover really existed and some battles that really happened does not for a moment make it some amazingly accurate document. Thousands upon thousands of documents exist that do the same. Even Tom Clancy novels are very accurate in terms of city locations and politics of the time and so on. No-one implies that this makes them uniquely accurate, or that therefore Jack Ryan is a real person...

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• Friar, You claim.."Egypt kept meticulous records of everything that went on in their empire... Other countries also have long and meticulous histories that include defeats and trials and failings - that is in no way unique to the Hebrews.]" GAG!! When you claim such ....crap. Name your source! The study of History shows these Huge nations, UNLIKE THE HEBREWS, were "always" covering up defiets..and/or embarrassments!
  Friar...you are usually truthful. Don't embarrass yourself again with this untruth.

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  by Holiday on October 19th, 2008

• Sorry, but you are extremely wrong. The egyptians have records of invasions of their country, battles that were lost and so on - it is how we know so much about them now. The Hebrews are in no way unique in having a pretty fair ol' history...

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

• The Roman empire has an incredible amount of self-documentation. Some of it is "oh yeah we won this great battle" stuff, but the political turmoil, civil strife, societal decay and so on are also recorded.
  Same with the Greeks. Same with the Chinese.

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

• On the other hand, the hebrews claim to have been slaves to the egyptians for 400 years or so - when there is not a single scrap of evidence, written or otherwise, to back that claim. Some evidence exists that some hebrews did spend time in egypt periodically - but the evidence available (archeological and written) suggests the egyptians never HAD a slave race of any sort - let alone for 400 years.

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

• Sure they'd have had slaves - of all sorts probably - but not an entire race of people in the numbers suggested by exodus.
  Also, debate continues over whether Jericho, and especially Ai, were even inhabited at the time the hebrews would have come through them (if their Desert Wandering story is in any way accurate). It is entirely possible they found empty townships and just made up the 'famous victory' stuff much later. Makes for a better story than "we saw some empty towns..."

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

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• You say, "They will pressure you until you crack." I have heard they have torture rooms to Make you listen! LOL You claim they, "never lay the whole truth out for you from the beginning." Wouldn't everyone leave when they found out?? You claim " very few of them know their own religion." I ask you to state your source! I believe I can answer anything you ask...IF you can answer my questions! Balls in your court!

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• It is easy to 'hide' within the "bag". I have never heard them produce a date that suggests "the end of the world". Re-emerge and answer my question..."state your source"!

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  by Holiday on January 5th, 2008

• As I said I was engaged to a life long devout JW but, here are just one set of links on a page there are thousands though.
  
  http://members.aol.com/Beyondjw/bj.htm#HIST

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  by Vampyre Bat on January 6th, 2008

• Oh...In anticipation of your attack on that, why don't you read some of your religion's prophecies that have not come true. Would you like to explain to me why this is so? Would you explain to me rationally why your religion has repeatedly named specific dates for the end of the world and yet we are here still? You called me out so let's all here your brilliant defense!
  http://www.carm.org/jw/false_prophecies.htm
  http://www.biblequery.org/.../...lseProphecies.htm
  http://www.irr.org/English-JW/jwfacten.html
  http://www.dianedew.com/jwfalsep.htm
  http://www.afcministry.com/AFC_WT%20Prophecies%20Exposed.htm
  http://www.godandscience.org/cults/falseadmission.html

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  by Vampyre Bat on January 6th, 2008

• I'm not going to visit websites! Can't you express yourself?? Exhibit some effort on your own! I replied to the comments you made in your "answer", such as ..."In fact very few of them know their own religion!"..."When they "stop" predicting the exact date of the end of the world"...etc. HanginJudge... I know what the Bible says and I know my religion....Do you know yours? [What is it?] You suggest..."when they stop" making predictions ...and then you quote a statement from the 1800's?? Typical! I tell you what...show me "one" scriptural 'doctrine' that the WTS does not understand, and that you can clarify!! [That means YOU...and not some lame website]!

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  by Holiday on January 10th, 2008

• I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you. The information is there.

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  by Vampyre Bat on January 11th, 2008

• As I said...typical!

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  by Holiday on January 11th, 2008

• A Jehovah s Witnesses life more or less revolves around study and they are very dedicated to learning their scriptures. How anyone can say that they don't know their religion is beyond me. And if believing in Jesus's word means they are a cult then so are most of today's religion. Maybe if their were more comments or questions relevant to the whole subject matter posted people might understand more about about Jehovah s Witnesses as people. I hope that i don't offend anyone by saying that ignorance causes fear and prejudiced.

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• I grew up most of my life in this religion and i can honestly say that i never heard one prediction or any one setting any dates for any thing. Although i did grow up with the constant fear of Armaghedon and Satan, as a child these issues have a way of installing fear !!!!!! dont know if anyone will even get these comments they were all so long ago. And i appologise for my spelling.

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• Armageddon is a fearful thing. However, whomever it is layed upon deserves it. It is not to be compaired to Christendoms" 'HELL'! Armageddon is an execution where that person is in "non-existence"...forever. Contrast that to "Christendoms" 'HELL' [Baptist or Lutheran..Catholic or Protestant] ...a tortuous death until the end of time! God is NOT even 'near' the later!

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  by Holiday on September 25th, 2008

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• Please, what do you mean by cult?

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• Is that question too deep?

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  by Holiday on January 5th, 2008

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• May I ask 'what tenet'?

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• That they don't believe in saluting the American Flag, acknowledging and celebrating birthdays or other holidays, especially Christmas and Easter (the birth and death/rebirth of Jesus.) And still others.

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  by Shopping Sheryl - home from the hospital on January 15th, 2008

• Thanks. I believe the holiday thing has to do with 2 Cor.6:14. "..what sharing does light have with darkness."

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  by Holiday on January 15th, 2008

• Perhaps you could ask your own Q on the bag....How did "Easter" eggs and rabbits find there way into the Resurrection of Jesus. I mean...if you really care.

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

• Well I dont salute the flag nor celebrate Xmas, Easter and I am not a JW. I follow no religion.

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  by I am the God of Hellfire on December 5th, 2008

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• After reviewing your sites...You are "weak"...and "lame". I now see your true colors. You're an anti-witness who lies and conives. Truely a sad person!

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

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• You seem like an open minded person and very gracious. I am sure when they visit your home you are courteous and polite even though not interesting in pursuing further.

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on October 1st, 2007

• Yes, I would just say not interested, thank you and have a nice day.

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  by Kevisaurus is a Carnotaurus today on October 1st, 2007

• Kevin-There are many times when I don't have much knowledge on a subject and I feel I cannot defend myself. Therefore, up goes the wall. [I see you are now being more aggressive.] If this is why you are private, remember...you can ask anything here...as you are masked. If not...get another name and be bolder! This a subject you've wondered about!

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  by Holiday on January 3rd, 2008

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• Instead of a personal answer....Researcher pushes the reader, to an answer of 'many' "anti-witness websites". He's been doing this ...a long time! However...he will not confront me with a "false teaching" he claims I believe, but is not there. WHY? HEY! You and Me...researcher! What do I believe..that is not scriptural?

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  by Holiday on September 11th, 2007

• Holiday ignore people like researcher. If you believe in your heart that you are a christian then that ios all that matters. People like researcher are just looking to start a nasty debate about who is right and who is wrong and in the end no one wins because researcher will still have his/her narrow minded views about your faith and you will still believe you are a christian. Don't fall into researcher's trap. Just ignore his/her ignorant comments.I am not a wittness. I am even worse than a wittness in researcher's eyes. I am a Mormon

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  by asweetguy4u2know saya R.I.P Nelson on October 1st, 2007

• and researcher fair warning to you my friend. the first e mail I get or the first comments you leave me here saying anything negative about my religion I will have no problem reporting you to the administartor and having you banned from this site so if you think I am playing with you just try me.

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  by asweetguy4u2know saya R.I.P Nelson on October 1st, 2007

• I was gone for awhile as I had an issue with my medicine. Disregarding 'researcher'...could you please explain your stand [as a morman] in a little more detail.

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  by Holiday on October 7th, 2007

• Holiday e mail me and I will respond with what you want to know. I don't like posting information like that here because there are too many idiots like researcher who want to tear it apart and disect it piece by peice and I don't really want to get into a debate with any of them. My e mail is on my profile feel free to use it.

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  by asweetguy4u2know saya R.I.P Nelson on October 8th, 2007

• I will...give me time.

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  by Holiday on October 9th, 2007

• Well...Its been 3 months. I have contacted you several times at your Email address...and Nothing! I thought you said you would respond...but you haven't! But thats OK. Take care.

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  by Holiday on January 29th, 2008

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• And what is "your" religion? JW's will discuss the Bible! If you are afraid of exploring very light issues...then by all means, shut off your brain!

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  by Holiday on September 23rd, 2008

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• I don't see you convincing any JW of hellfire any time soon.

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on April 15th, 2007

• what about John 14 '24 it says in the bible i have, "He that does not love me will not obey my teachings. these words you hear are not my own; they belong to the father who sent me". This is not my opinion because i do not know enough on the subject just the words i have read in the bible i have. It is a new international version written by the international bible society. I would take these words to mean that he was deffinatly seperate from his father.

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• what does "this" have to go with 'hellfire'? Thats the point! according to the Bible, there is 'No' Burning eternal punishment by God.

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  by Holiday on September 23rd, 2008

• thank you for pointing that out. What would be the point anyway. Punishment is to correct and put someone on a better path or outlook. that is like taking a kid that doesn't do what you say so to punish them you send them to their room and never ever let them out or give them sustenance. All the while, they have never ever seen you in their life they just get whisked off to punishment on your whim.

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  by I am the God of Hellfire on December 5th, 2008

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• Not all of us are brothers and sisters in Christ, only those who have been born-again, that is to say, saved by God's grace, regenerated by the Holy Ghost, and cleansed in the blood of Jesus are God's children. John 1:12 talks about Jesus giving power to those that recieved Him and believed on His name to become the sons of God. 1 John 3:10 talks about the children of God and the children of the devil.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on April 15th, 2007

• Sleepro: Saved has the correct answer, if you are not born again you are not a son/daughter of God. The bile is very clear on this point. We can not just take the parts that we like and not believe the rest.

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  by Abbyguy on October 7th, 2007

• Indeed. God wants the lost to be His children though. Praise God that He found me, a lost child of Satan who was a cruel master, and God purchased me with His own blood into His family and took me in. :)

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 7th, 2007

• Sleeppro...you are correct! The Bible is clear that there are "TWO" groups approved [saved] by God! This understanding is paramount...and yet oblivious to the churches! One is "born again"...the other is not. Although, they are both embraced by God, they have different destinies. One for heaven...the other [like Adam and Eve] are destined for earth. Ps 37:9-11

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  by Holiday on October 7th, 2007

• According to the Bible, sir, if you are not born again then you have no part in Christ's inheritence, and thus, are damned. Those who go to God's holy city(the New Jerusalem) to be with Him forever are those that are in the book of life(Revelation 21:27). Those who are not in the Lamb's book of life will be cast into the lake of fire(Revelation 20:15). "Heaven" as we know it, that is, the kingdom of God where we shall be with God and the Lamb(Christ) forever will be on the new earth(Revelation Ch.21).

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 7th, 2007

• Please show me... if I am not 'born again'...I am Damned! Also...Gods Kingdom will be on the 'New earth'? What is the...New Earth?

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  by Holiday on October 9th, 2007

• The new earth is the world that will replace this one(see Revelation Ch.21 and II Peter 3:11-12). As for if you are not born again then you are damned, the Bible does not say that directly in that wording, but it does teach that. If you are not born again, then you have no part of Christ's inheritence(John 3:3-7, Romans 8:14-17, John 5:24, Romans 4:16-17, 5:1, 8:1-2, and also see I Corinthains 11:23-26--only born again Christians can take part in the Lord's Supper. Also see I Peter 1:18-25 about the second birth as well). Those who go to heaven are those in the Lamb's book of life(Revelation 21:27), which are those washed in the blood of Jesus Christ because those that sin against God are blotted out of it (Exodus 32:33)but Christ's blood washes our sins away(Romans 5:8-9). Those who are not in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire(Revelation 20:15).

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 10th, 2007

• Saved: Excellent. Well put, and acurate.

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  by Abbyguy on October 10th, 2007

• Praise be to God. The Bible has all of the answers. :)

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 10th, 2007

• Saying I am 'damned' because I am not born again, even though it is not supported in the scriptures, is typical of your mind-set. Since it appears my destiny is to have everlasting life on earth...then 'no', I do not share in Christs inheritance, as Jesus' abode is in heaven. [Heb.3:1] Since heaven is NOT my destiny then I am not born again, therefore, although I respect those who legitimately do...I do not partake of the Lords supper. That Christs 'heavenly' brothers have brothers approved on earth is born out many places. Mt 25:31-46, is just one.

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  by Holiday on November 25th, 2007

• If you are not born again, then you are still dead in your tresspasses and sins, Holiday. Why else would someone have to be born again? Because something was not right about the first birth. The Bible tells us that we are born in sin(Psalm 53:5). We need to be born again of the Spirit because our flesh is corrupt with sin. Jesus plainly said "That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of Spirit is spirit."(John 3:6). So then, if you are not part of Christ's inheritence, then you are not God's child, correct? You have no right to call Him "Father" if you are not in His family. So then how can you have everlasting life if you are not even God's child? Ye must be born again. Only through the second birth in Christ can you be a child of God and have everlasting life(John 3:3-8, 3:16-17, 14:6, Romans 10:9-13).

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on November 25th, 2007

• Sorry, that was Psalm 51:5, not 53:5.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on November 25th, 2007

• You say "If you are not born again, then you are still dead in your tresspasses and sins". What scriptures support this?

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  by Holiday on November 25th, 2007

• Ephesians 2:1 and Colossians 2:13 speak of being once dead in your tresspasses and sins and I John 5:1 tells us "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." Please notice that it tells us that the person who believes that Jesus is the Christ is "born of God". We pass from death unto life. While we were once in sin, Christ quickens us when we trust in Him as our Saviour and gives us new life. We are baptized by Him with the Holy Ghost and put into His body(the Church). We become born again.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on November 26th, 2007

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• Modern medical science has provided blood substitutes. If you would like to learn the truth about what Jehovahs Witnesses believe, and not base your opinion on what someone has told you, you can contact your local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses for a video or literature on the subject.

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  by Synoptimus on March 15th, 2007

• David, I think you are painting an entire group of people with a very broad brush. There are people a little wacky in every group.

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on October 1st, 2007

• Hhhmm. It appears you are 'rated down' because of your "lack" of concern in the advancment in the field of Modern Science. You claim to "know" the Bible...than what is "Gods view" of blood, recorded for Christians at Acts 15:20?

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  by Holiday on July 26th, 2008

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• The word was "home" not house, sorry, you can't get out of it that easy.

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  by Wendora on February 4th, 2007

• haha, okay, true. I wouldn't because, even though it wouldn't be so bad learning some things, I'd probably want to be like grr go away. (I'm antisocial and bible studies don't seem like one of those things that I think would set well in my mind.)

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  by Phrenia on February 4th, 2007

• I am anti-social too, not a big fan of other humans.

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  by Wendora on February 4th, 2007

• It's a good way to be I think. I mean, that way there's a less of a chance of exploding on anyone.

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  by Phrenia on February 4th, 2007

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• Investigating the meaning of biblical words to acquire a better understanding of its meaning, does Not include websites that attempt to trash an organization or its founders. If you feel I am mislead on a biblical doctrine, persuade me with scripture. Remember...the religious leaders in Jesus' day referred to him as a drunk and a glutton, to try and sway the weak minded.

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  by Holiday on July 16th, 2008

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• I just got back on. Please bear with me. I will take one Q at a time...and if I feel the "sincerity"...it deserves an answer from me! {If you are just raving, then have a safe life} Tabitha's question is... 'Does one have any problems "studying" the Bible with with Jehovah's Witnesses'! However, you ignore that Question here and attack the Bible? You express that "Bibles" have many errors. And this is correct! However, Chris, these "errors" fall into 2 topics...(1) the topic of the "translation" [which you refer], and (2) Not the content of the Original writings. Again...it is the "translation" of the originals that contain such numerous errors.
  It is researching and finding the 'few' Bible "translation/s" that can be paramount to clarity! Sorry to burst your bubble, but the NWT is considered by the majority of non-biased Scholars to be THE most accurate Hebrew-to English; Greek-to English translation, available!!
  That being said...It is apparent you are full of venom! Something bad has happened to you, and although I don't know your situation, it is apparent you condemn God, for this. And, it appears, you think you now 'KNOW' him and his ways, because of of directions given 3000 years ago...that you 'deem' sexist. As I said, You left many Questions, and if I feel your "sincerity"...If you want answers, we can do it here!

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  by Holiday on June 2nd, 2008

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• Abraham did Not have a "sex" slave! You're an agitator! World conditions were very different back then. You speak of "slaves". You dismiss the major differences of the slaves in Israel...to the surrounding nations! Just 400 years ago, Africans were rounded up by fellow "Africans"...and sold to Spain, England, Dutch, Etc. Perhaps you can do a bit of research on "slaves" and how they were treated in the lands surrounding Israel...and then compare the rights and liberties of 'slaves' in Israel. You ignore this because you are a man hater, and are using centuries of old laws to "shock" us. 'Today' we live in a world completely separate from this. Why didnt you mention just 100 years ago it was legal for an American husband to beat his wife with a rod "not larger than his thumb", on a whim? Today, in England, the wife MUST, under law, turn over her paycheck to her husband to do as he pleases. Try focusing on world inhumanity...instead of suggesting its source is the bible!

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  by Holiday on July 23rd, 2008

• Im sorry i do have to agree on some of the above, What kind of seemingly forgiving, and merciless, God would punish the little kids which are innocent in every thing, just because the people were not doing as they should, this is worse than an act of terrorism. How can any one stand up for this inhumane act in the name of religion. It is certainly an issue i have had with the bible ect since i can rember being told the story

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• Don't be sorry...yor Q is sincere. I am V tired..but will do my best. As I already answered Chris on these other issues...I will try and answer yours. Yes...if these children...or even adults where slaughtered and had 'no' hope...it would be cruel. The Bible tells us, however, that the people who die "today" ..in 'our' time'...will be brought back to life! In other words...those people were removed "temperaraly"! They were 'removed' from the scene of the time...BUT will be brought back to life on earth..in peacefull conditions! Their death like a "Loong" anesthetic. Just keep in mind...it is because God "IS" Love...that they will live again! Ps.143:3,4; Eccl. 9:5, 10'; Joh. 5:29]

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  by Holiday on September 25th, 2008

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• It is always the same with people like you who claim JW's are wrong. You will "NOT" discuss scriptural differences....You have to go for the attack on the organization! Why is that? Point is...with the Watchtower Org. ...you "CANNOT" use scripture to refute the teachings, because the scriptures support them. You realize if you attempt such a venture....you're in a world of hurt!
  Therefore you [and all those who oppose].... must try and discredit the "Organization"...NOT the Bible doctrine!!! Sometimes with the lamest of the lame...such as the so called ..."secrets of the Brooklyn brothers. WWwwooooooo!
  Its late....but perhaps next time I'll discuss your accusation of inner "secrets" of the organization that "you" seem to know about but no one else does! Including prominent X-JW's, when venting about what they feel is bad....they "NEVER" discuss any existence of these "secret" meetings, or any other "secret" session that you claim exists. If they existed....wouldn't these 'meetings' be one of the foremost and detailed events that these X-JW's...ones who hate and want to bring down the Organization, expose? You are regurgitating slander!

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  by Holiday on June 2nd, 2008

• On both of these comments their is hurt and personal attacks as this is a subject that you both so obviously feel strongly about. I am commenting only because i am, i feel in a positions to do so, growing up most of my life in household of Jehovahs Witnesses. My dad an elder and my mum of course being the perfect elders wife, My dad took the school on Thursdays and we held the group at our house on a tue and sundays and other days of the week were taken up with field service ect. Any way i can see some issues with this point of view that are relevent and should be taken into account most of it is very angry which is completly clouding the relevent points, Yes congregations do have problems we are all human and the body of elders usually will act as mediators what i do not agree with is that its made to look more sinister, Humans will be human and their will be a few bad eggs in which i believe religeion attracts this has nothing to do with god or Jehovahs witneses this has to do

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• with evil and badnesses or if you believe the devils work. Despite all this the majority of Jehovahs Witneses are balanced intelligent studious people. The statement that its a very secritive world not true their is nothing secretive about them. Yes if a family is having maritial prob then they will try and work through them with as much privacy as possable, gossiping is deffinatly frowned upon. It is not a disfellowshipping offence to read other literature and would like to know where this false information came. Yes they would problably sitt you down give their council about the subject if you were reading wicca weekly or something. This comment is so obviously malicouse and full of hatred which clouds all valid reason. I have never spoke in a secret language that i know of and obviously wasnt brainwashed as i am not a jehovahs wittness, and yes i have issue not on the theology, but on some of the ways that any religeon can repress

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• and undermine individuality espesialy for a child, but this in my opinion doesn't just happen in one religion it happens mostly when people try to dictate what is right and wrong. I personally dont feel that we should need to be told what is right or wrong it stops us having the freedom to really understand it ourselves and in my own experiance i never as when i did leave i was wilder than anyone i know or since known that havnt got a religeon i had to find out what was right and rong myself after being told what to was right and wrong for the best part of 17 years of my young life this i think is where any religouse following what went wrong with me wasnt the scriptures and teachings, although they should go hand in hand with life, it was the presure in doing right by pricaples and set ways to live. that said that is only me and some grow on to be strong in what they have been brought up in. I think in conclusion the sicial issue do have to be looked at. but to say their is anything

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• sinister in the intentions of witnesses i would say is slander. Most are kind loving people, I am lucky to have friends whom i grew up, and still have close bonds with,which i will have for the rest of my life, one or two are still devoted to the witnesses and a few not, they will always be their, like family for me, my father is still devoted and a true believer and always will be. if anyone reading the above comment starts to think badly on the Witneses then can i stress that this has obviously been written from a place of anger and hurt and made to look so much worse than the reality. I had a lovely life with lots of friends and a lovely secure family home. Their is so much worse out their that we should be concerning ourseves with!!!!

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• heatherzbell: Im tired! My computer is here for two weeks...gone for 6. I have had a bashing and have tried to answer 'one' Q at a time, and have followed you along the way! The Answer you have posted to this last Q...I dont think I have read anything more honest and touching. The Bible is our guideline..and our parents want to be the best guides...but like any parent, or family...sometimes it doesn't jell, until we are older. Of course there is No-secret' language. [Please focus on this as to whether Satan is real.] Let me ask you to please explain..you said,"I personally dont feel that we should need to be told what is right or wrong...it stops us having the freedom to really understand it ourselves and in my own experience." DO you still feel this is true? Are you saying a "child"..an in-experienced person, should be left to make their own in-experienced decisions? How can you say this when you say..ever as when i did leave i was wilder than anyone i know or since known that haven't got a religion !!

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  by Holiday on September 25th, 2008

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• I respect your answer, but just wondered...are you a spiritual person? If yes...I wondered how are you spiritualy fed?

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  by Holiday on January 3rd, 2008

• One does NOT need others teachings (which are invarably incorrect or tweaked) to be spiritual. You can be spiritually 'fed' through taking care of others, working in volunteer situations or similar organizations which reach out to the abused, hungry, whether they are human or other species. One can climb mountains, sit by a stream, exercise, practice yoga. spirituality is not a religion to be taught. It far exceeds dogma created by humans.

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  by I am the God of Hellfire on December 5th, 2008

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• Seriously miss...HOW...did you learn about the Bible?

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• church every sunday, solo reading, and seminary.

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  by zee-ster on January 8th, 2008

• Seminary? Sounds like you were serious. Miss, may I ask...how long did you study?

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  by Holiday on January 8th, 2008

• about 17 years, although i don't think the infantile years should really count. also, it was probably a different type of seminary than you are thinking, but i don't really know what the standard is. basically, it was 1 of 8 classes that i took when i was in junior high & high school. i didn't take it by choice; my parents forced the religion thing on my until i was old for them to be able to do so.

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  by zee-ster on January 9th, 2008

• I C...Thank you. I don't recall hearing of this type Seminar. [And don't be too hard on your parents...that position is very tough, and they seemed to care enough to want to guide you] Soo...What religion was this?

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  by Holiday on January 10th, 2008

• LDS/mormon. i know my parents were trying to teach me something that they thought might help make my life better, but when somebody says they aren't interested *at all* in a religion and that they aren't going to be even remotely open-minded to it ... i think that's time to stop pushing it on them. those extra forced years only made me more bitter as i learned more things that i didn't like (or that i found to be contradicting) about that religion.

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  by zee-ster on January 11th, 2008

• Hi miss...wow that's kind of ironic as a couple of minutes ago I posted a comment on a page where I have been having an on-going discussion, for a couple weeks, with some Mormons on how their teachings don't correspond with the Bible. Not that I'm advocating a confrontation with your parents, as I am sure they love you and mean well...but perhaps you could use these reasoning's with them for your defense. The discussion is at http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1339587 Please let me know what you think.

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  by Holiday on January 11th, 2008

• oh, i did the confrontation thing a looooong time ago when i left the religion. they couldn't understand my reasons, so i just kept talking & telling them things that seemed contradictory to me. i never "won" the debates, but i was able to finally go my own way. i can talk to my mom more about her religion than in the past without us getting upset (most of the time). i'll scope out your link & decide how i feel about that now.

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  by zee-ster on January 15th, 2008

• okay, when i did study the bible, i studied it along with the other mormon sciptures. anyhow, i don't think bringing up that type of thing would advance me or my family, so i'm gonna let that one be. especially since i don't really beleive in the bible either. to me, it is just a historical artifact, not necesarily inspired or in the name of god (although i can't prove it isn't).

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  by zee-ster on January 15th, 2008

• I can understand that, miss. Someday, when you have more time perhaps you could look into the Bible. You mentioned "the name of God." Perhaps Ps.83:18 might be a good place for you to start.

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  by Holiday on January 18th, 2008

• thanks holiday. actually, my primary issue isn't time. i just don't have any interest in religion at this time, which isn't to say that i'm not interested in spirituality. that is an entirely different story! anyhow, i might have to look up that reference anyhow. you've aroused my curiousity.

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  by zee-ster on January 21st, 2008

• Yes...I "heard" you say you were 'interested' in spirituality from the very start. That scripture is a spiritual stepping stone...Yet at the same time...produces problems [ John 17:26; 15:18, 19, 23; 1Joh.3:13] It will bring to the fore, who we really are!

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  by Holiday on January 22nd, 2008

• okay, i need some clarification. i can't tell how you intended that first sentence. are you implying that i say i am interested, but really am not? secondly, i'm curious what you mean about producting problems. are you saying reading the scripture would do that (and if so, how), or maybe you are saying sprituality can produce problems? that doesn't seem like something you'd say; i have a feeling i'm misinterpreting. also, you have me wondering: do you think that people can be spiritual without being religious and/or without the bible? just curious. have a lovely day holiday!

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  by zee-ster on January 23rd, 2008

• Hi zee. [This site is suppose to let me know when I am asked a Q. Sometimes it does...here it does not, therefore, sorry for the delay.] To answer #1, No...my gut feeling is that you believe there is a God, and you want to know the truth about him. Q#2 I gave you the scriptures revealing Gods name [in English, "Jehovah"]. Yes...although this is clearly the English pronunciation of his name...it produces problems for many. Q#3..Yes, it is true one can be spiritual and/or religious without the Bible. However, the God of the Bible...Jehovah, has given us guidelines for our worship to please him. Contrary to popular belief, going outside those guidelines nullifies the worship, and severely damages our relationship with him.

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  by Holiday on January 28th, 2008

• I tried to answer the best I could, as the wording [typing] of your questions are a bit off.

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  by Holiday on January 29th, 2008

• zee...I thought you'd respond! Thats OK. Too scarey to answer, I guess! Well...mosey on to more important subjects.

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  by Holiday on February 19th, 2008

• hey holiday! good to "see you". i have been off the bag for a while, so that's why i didn't respond. so... i'm not really sure if i lean more towards their being a god or not. it seems to change from month to month. however, if there is one, i *would* like to know more. i'm just not sure that there is & if so, how do you know which one is the right one to worship? there's so many possibilities out there, i don't really understand how anybody can feel so confident in any single religion.

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  by zee-ster on February 22nd, 2008

• also, i do think that if the jehovah is the true god, you may be right about having a worse relationship with him by not following the bible. that is a very big "if" though!

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  by zee-ster on February 22nd, 2008

• I spent two hours answering this...only to have it get flushed. Its after 2AM here...Ill try again later.

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  by Holiday on May 27th, 2008

• Hello my friend....Longtime but at this point my computer is working. What do you mean..."If there IS a God...I would like to know more". More what?

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

• you dont seem weak...just ask!

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  by Holiday on October 31st, 2008

• oh, it isn't that i haven't tried asking some of these questions; it's just that nobody can answer them to my satisfaction. quotes from any religious books or other references don't do it for me because i don't believe in them. i guess i just with that if there is a god, the questions wouldn't be so many & so confusing in the first place...

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  by zee-ster on December 4th, 2008

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• And this debate was about....?

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• I asked them for evidence that the bible was more holy and true than the Baghavad Gita or Koran or Buddhist texts. They just kept saying "Well, the bible says....." to which I'd answer "Well, the 'Gita says...." or "The Koran says...." and we drifted in circles a bit.
  They weren't very widely read, left abruptly and no JW ever came back.

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  by Friartuck on January 5th, 2008

• Im back! I would answer that the Bible has prophesys that came true...unlike your other books!

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  by Holiday on January 5th, 2008

• Im back..again! What prophecy's do these "other" books contain that were fulfilled?

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  by Holiday on January 5th, 2008

• You ever read the Koran? Much of it is the same as the Old Testament - often word for word - including so-called prophecies.
  
  Anyone can take any book, scan through a few events and claim that somehow it made prophecies that came true. We could take Tom Clancy novels and do it.

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  by Friartuck on January 6th, 2008

• Yes I have. Are you sure you mean the Qu'ran and not the Book of Mormon? I know the later has lifted over 20,000 direct quotes from the King James version. And really...what you are saying, although I don't recall reading any, is the Qu'ran copied the old Hebrew manuscripts. I ask 'you'...have you read the Bible? From the prophetic writings of the rise and fall of every major world power that came in contact with his people...to Alexander the Great's demise and his four Generals dividing up his conquests. These are 'not', as you put it...so called. They happened! Quite an amazing and unique book!

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  by Holiday on January 8th, 2008

• No, not very unique. I wasn't talking about the Book of Mormon either. I don't rate it at all. The Baghavad Gita is a Hindu book.
  The bible also gets a lot of prophecies wrong. There's debate about when some of the prophecy-containing materials were written (ie: some of them may have been written after the prophesied even) and there are many other inaccuracies etc. besides.
  Believe what you may though.
  Oh, and I was a christian for 20 years, studied the bible closely and even preached for some time.

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  by Friartuck on January 9th, 2008

• I'm curious as to where the bible mentions Alexander the Great by name too.

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  by Friartuck on January 9th, 2008

• Of course there's debate on anything to do with the Bible. Help me out...what prophesies are wrong? It does not mention A.G. by name. I did study Hindu many years back and came to the conclusion it held a very elementary view of creation, as well as a lack of hope for man. Also, the Hindu "Caste" system is one of the most demeaning, archaic, and repressive teachings on this planet! The teaching that people are denied by God the ability to advance in life is abominable! Telling people it is Gods will that they and their families must clean the city's sewers...by hand..because they were re-incarnated into that position by God, is Demonic!! You embrace this with pride?

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  by Holiday on January 10th, 2008

• Been 5 months since Ive commented...You are very intelligent, and yet decided to drop this line of thinking? [If one can call it that]

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  by Holiday on May 27th, 2008

• I couldn't do a Comment so had posted a reply as another Answer. No, I don't embrace Hindu stuff with pride. I don't believe ANY of it - Islam, Christianity, Hindu, whatever. Well, not that the gods they follow are actually real (ie: exist outside our imaginations).

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  by Friartuck on May 28th, 2008

• The bible mentions a few towns that would "never again be populated" and they are (can't remember actual names but can look 'em up). David supposedly raised money in 'Darics' for the temple - 'Darics' being coins minted for a king living 500 years AFTER David.

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  by Friartuck on May 28th, 2008

• The money raised was 'equated' in Darics...not that that was what was collected. The same today! When hearing the term 'cubits'...can you 'picture' the size of Noahs Ark? I do not think so. Since we do not use 'Cubits' today ...is it not clearer, when deciphered, that Noahs Ark...as to its size... contained 1.5 million cubic feet....or 486 box cars? The same with 'Darics'
  
  You said " I don't embrace Hindu stuff with pride. I don't believe ANY of it - Islam, Christianity, Hindu, whatever. Well, not that the gods they follow are actually real (ie: exist outside our imaginations). Please explain...which Gods/gods are these?

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

• Well there's a problem yes? If Chronicles was written 500 years AFTER the event, not a single prophecy from that whole section of the bible can be trusted. If it was written after the event it ain't prophecy...
  It's not the only problem. Figures don't add up. 100,000 talents of iron, for example, equates to 34 MILLION kilograms - impossible amount. Same with 3000 TONNES of gold and 30,000 TONNES of silver - according to Chronicles.
  On top of that, there's the 1.3 MILLION fighting men David supposedly had in his army. The entire United States has only that many active duty soldiers out of a population of 400 million or so. Completely impossible for that number to be true 3000 years ago.

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• The 'gods aren't real' thing means exactly that. Gods are creations of man's imagination - not actual real things that exist separately. So far, that's all gods - from Ahura mazda to Zeus. There are several hundred thousand of them in fact. I don't doubt that gods have a great influence over the behaviour of people, but so do many stories that are not 'real'.

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  by Friartuck on July 22nd, 2008

• I have a massive headache....the only thing that could make me smile is your intelligent answer. What I mean is...agree or disagree....just be informed...and [basicaly] you are! Please forgive me for not pursuing this further tonight.

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  by Holiday on July 24th, 2008

• What is it that God must do [not individualy] to persuade Friartuck...he exists?

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  by Holiday on July 26th, 2008

• Turn up, maybe? But which god? Who's god? Just the judeo-christian one? Why would it be a 'He' - rather than a She or It?
  Maybe if someone said "In the name of <insert god of choice>, regrow this amputated limb!" and the limb regrew in front of our eyes - that would go some way...

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  by Friartuck on July 27th, 2008

• Whats a black list never heard of Jehovahs Witneses ding that

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  by heatherzbell on September 12th, 2008

• I was just being facetious. It's just that they never turned up there again after the first visit. Normally they'd have been around monthly (like our neighbours suffered).

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  by Friartuck on September 13th, 2008

• Funny how you dodge my answers to your 'other' statements!

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  by Holiday on October 19th, 2008

• Um - what answers to what 'other' statements were they? I've answered every question you've brought up (eventually). Going back over this conversation I can't see a single thing brought up by you that I've not answered.

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

• Ah, hang on. Some prophecies that were wrong. Okay.
  Genesis 47:28-29 - god promises to bring Jacob safely back from egypt, but Jacob dies IN egypt.
  Jeremiah 34:4 - god tells Zedekiah he'll die in peace. Jer 52 says he died violently in a foreign land.
  Isiah 13:19-20 says babylon will never again be inhabited. It was...
  Isiah 17:1 says Damascus will be destroyed and no longer inhabited. Damascus never has - it's one of the world's oldest inhabited cities.
  Isiah 19:5 says the Nile will dry up. It never has.
  Jeremiah prophisies that all nations will embrace Judaism (3:17). That's never happened.

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

• Jermiah prohesies that humans will never again live in Hazor, but dragons will. No dragons have been seen, but people still live there...
  Jeremiah 50:39 - god prophesies that Babylong will never again be inhabited - but it has been inhabited constantly since then.
  Ezekiel prophesies that Ammonites will not be remembered 'any more' - but they continued to exist for 400 years, and are (obviously) not forgotten at all.
  Ezekiel says egypt would be uninhabited for 40 years by humans or animals - this has never happened.

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

• A very short list produced at short notice. There are more.

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  by Friartuck on October 20th, 2008

• Dragons? No dragons. but they live at the edge of the earth where all fall off if they venture too far. "There be dragons here"

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  by I am the God of Hellfire on December 5th, 2008

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• Why!

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  by Holiday on October 9th, 2007

• Excuse me?

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  by PrettyPirate on October 9th, 2007

• I asked ...why?

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  by Holiday on January 4th, 2008

• I did not mean any disrespect...I just wondered why.

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  by Holiday on July 22nd, 2008

• Too deep for a Beatle-maniac!

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  by Holiday on October 19th, 2008

• Too deep? What is too deep? The fact that I don't think I owe you an explanation as to why I have the beliefs system I do?

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  by PrettyPirate on October 20th, 2008

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• Do you know Margaret Perrin? The Godmother from Louisiana.

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on April 15th, 2007

• Godmother as in Mafia Godmother?

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  by unknown on April 15th, 2007

• No, the big woman from Trading Spouses, she lives in Louisiana.

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on April 15th, 2007

• The one with the gap tooth smile who was supposed to be a Christian?

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  by unknown on April 15th, 2007

• Yes, from Ponchatoula, LA

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on April 15th, 2007

• No, I don't know her. I'm glad too, she is down right scary if you ask me. lol

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  by unknown on April 15th, 2007

• Um...ok.

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  by unknown on December 23rd, 2007

• Mercy? Pustic, please elaborate on your comment.

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on December 23rd, 2007

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• I hope that's not the photo you sent with your "Sheriff's" resume'! -lol You wont believe it but I have this in "my favorites", and when I'm...feeling off, I click it, and after a short while I cant help but find myself smiling. Its very magnetic...therapeutic. When I clicked on it to enlarge, it took me to your profile [which I rarely read] and now realize its not you. Anyway...thanks, it saves me on Psychiatric charges!

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  by Holiday on January 11th, 2008

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