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by Mini_kilt on January 4th, 2007

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Do you think that every time you/somebody down-rates something, they should also comment on it explaining why they think it is a bad answer?

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  • by Jodie44 on January 8th, 2007

    Jodie44

    Yes, if it’s done anonymously, and in this answer, I’ll tell you why. Except where noted, the user names (below) came off the top of my head. Although these events did take place, and the people involved were top-ranked Answerbaggers who are still active members, their real user names are unimportant. Please remember, too, that this is not an official version of what happened - it's simply what I remember.

    An Answerbag History

    Background info - Unlike now (Answerbag 4.0), all negative ratings required a comment from the rater. Negative ratings were calculated into a user's overall rank, which was represented by a letter grade. If people downrated your answers often, you'd have a ranking of say, B or B+. In other words, Baggers had a valid reason for becoming upset about unfair low ratings - they affected your overall rank, and therefore, reputation. Most "regular" Baggers were ranked as A-, A, or A+. The top Baggers, like Kim Siever and Andersen777, had an A++ rank, no small feat. (Those are simply two examples I remember. They were uninvolved in the Ratings War).

    Part One: The Ratings War

    In 2005, someone asked a question about the legality of selling pornographic movies that portrayed certain acts of a violent nature.

    User Silver answered, "Yes. It's legal. Free speech." User Mars presented an opposing POV. "No, it's not legal, but it is reprehensible." on the same day and the rest, as they say, is history.

    Soon after, user Platinum hopped on Silver's side - the "Yes" side, although it might be more accurate to characterize that as "hopping on any side that was anti-Mars". (Apparently, bad blood already existed.) Mars was joined by another planet, Jupiter.

    Whether Silver and Platinum disliked Mars and Jupiter because M and J were affiliated with one specific religion, or loathed that particular group because the two planets were members, Platinum began trashing all Mars' answers related to his denominational beliefs. That brought others into the fray, naturally. If you’re unaware of the enmity that's inherent in asking and answering questions in the Religions categories, by all means, take a look. Oh, the irony.

    Silver saw Platinum as an ally, since neither liked Mars or Jupiter. Heck, for all I know, S and P flat out disliked astronomy. Each group's members stuck up for each other and argued about anything and everything. Both sides had valid points and argued them well, if not always rationally. Two more top users, sympathetic to the "It's reprehensible" faction, joined the downratings free-for-all, which further polarized the groups' members. Other people got involved on both sides - an unpleasant time for Answerbag and its users.

    A series of passionate "debates", I'll euphemistically call them, ensued about First Amendment rights, the Founding Fathers, God, morals, ethics, and movies. As the arguments grew more passionate, the atmosphere got uglier. Since comments were required when leaving negative ratings, the Planets and the Elements knew who'd left negative ratings on which answers. The ill feelings grew sicker -- and out of control.

    Keep in mind >> back in those days, Answerbag was a different place. There were only a few AB staff members. They were understandably concerned with the normal, day-to-day site administration rather than acting as the Bag's police force, which hadn't been needed anyway, until then. There were also fewer Answerbaggers than now and the Bag's graphics interface was less crowded. The latter factors made it somewhat easy to spot arguments, so there was a noticeably disruptive atmosphere throughout the Bag. Also, now, with Community Leaders, there's a sense of "anger management" that was more or less absent then. It was the Answerbag version of the Wild West.

    I'm not sure how long the Ratings War lasted. I didn't realize what was going on until the gloves were off. By then it was a "duck and cover" situation for everyone not directly involved. Nerves were so raw, you just hoped you didn't inadvertently set someone off.

    Part Two: Answerbag 2.0, May 15, 2006

    Taking lessons from the Ratings War, AB HQ adopted a "Comments Optional" policy on negative ratings. We'd all seen what happened when people got mad about "Not Useful"s, so predictably, nobody left comments. The Bag was much smaller then, and things moved along at a slower pace, so maybe anonymity was a good solution. It did stop ratings wars.

    The only problem >> retaliatory negative ratings had never been a big issue until the Ratings War, and, although dozens of answers were affected, fewer than fifteen people saw "combat". Most people took downratings in stride - for example, I became friends with a couple of users who downrated my answers because they were intelligent people who stated valid reasons for disagreement. I found "Why I downrated your answer" comments to be very helpful - when I'd follow up with an edit, I'd use the comment to write a better answer.

    "Comments Optional" was "Not Helpful" because it seemed more like a knee-jerk reaction than a solution -- "CRAP!! Stop ratings wars at all costs!!" At times, "no accountability" seemed as bad as its opposite.

    "Anonymous comments required" sounds like a good solution, imho. People are more interested in why the answer was slammed than in who slammed it. Even when I'd like to know the downrater's ID, it's to get an idea about why. "Ohhhhhhh. So that’s who dinged. OK, that explains it - he never likes anything."

    I've seen so many ridiculous ratings on opinion or poll type answers, it's become almost funny. I usually either edit my answer so that the downrater feels downright silly if he re-reads it, or just ignore the low rating. What else can you do?

    To read more Answerbag history, go here:

    http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/41395

    I hope this helps.

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  • by zazzy_one on January 8th, 2007

    zazzy_one

    Here's the thing.

    1) Trolls are not as powerful as all the talk that goes on about them. No one can rate any one person eternally (either up or down.) You hit a cap. Trolls are human beings. They are the same human beings you meet in life who: cut in line, don't return their library books on time, bounce checks so your account is off. Sometimes in the real world and here, a troll is truly evil. But that is rare. In general, they are a minor hinderance and should be perceived as such, especially since this isn't even the real world. Most people you meet, here and in the real world, are honorable. The assholes do not outweigh the good people, and in the end, one's ratings are not a result of anything other than the true value of questions/ answers ( "-") LESS the trolls which we are all subject to. I.e., we are all subject to them so their power is zero.

    2) Some questions/ answers are nonsensical, retarded, inflammatory, degrading, etc. One rates them down not because one is a troll, but because one has good sense. It serves this site to do so. All the touchy-feely, don't rate people down under any circumstances stuff doesn't do the site any good. For some of the people on this site, commenting about your negative entry is just a way for the people who are not meaningful site participants to track you down and rate you down for no good reason except to vent their spleens. Trust me: been there.

    3) This is an artificial world. It is given that we are interested in our ratings or we wouldn't be playing this "game." People are interested and sometimes over-interested in ratings and the world becomes LESS real and more artificial because of that factor. For instance, the political game which leads to people obtaining high points, also decreases the likelihood that at all times, everyone really says what they mean 100%, i.e. the "truth" according to them. If everyone gave the true answer that came to their mind at all times, we'd all be slugging at negative percentages. But that is an immitation of real life and the real world, so in some ways, it is okay. Both in the "real" world and here, people do not say everything that pops into their mind. Such would not be societally correct. A person is either a functional member of society, and curbs their id-brain from saying everything that pops into our minds; or we are psychopaths and believe that we are the center of the world, and if we believe it, then it is true.

    4) So, a virtuous person in this "world" walks a thin line, between being helpful/ truthful and not invoking the ire of other AB'ers. Presumably such a person sometimes goes out on a limb, even when they know it is going to make some folks angry (you can't please everyone all the time, and bygum, in my case, this issue is gay rights. I am going to endorse it every time even though I KNOW it brings the trolls out); and sometimes such a person will dodge involvement with a question that they have strong feelings about but which they know will bring attacks from trolls or even right-thinking people (again, you can't please everyone all the time, and you might have experience knowing, for instance, that if you answer a religious question, no matter what, you will get negative ratings since someone is almost always on the opposite side.)

    5) If no one EVER gave negative ratings for anything...what would be the value of the site? If you don't "vote," then what is the point? Sometimes you just have to say: I feel so strongly about this that I can't just walk away and not rate it at all. And of course, if you leave your mark on that answer, by commenting, on an answer again...that tells you IN THE POSTING ITSELF, THAT THE PERSON IS...UM...SLIGHTLY "OFF," then you are asking for that person to go off on your ratings.

    6) Although I have heard much talk about not rating anyone down without an explanation, I do not think that I have ever seen any such thing occur, yet...I know that people have rated others down. So, I think in some respects, this is not really truth-telling, but it is built into the culture here to say things like that. Because of the strong site culture, the lip service that is given to rating down only if you insert comments, I have done so several times recently. Each time I got a flurry of trollish-type neg ratings. By this I mean that my neg ratings were disproportionate to my normal. Also the neg ratings were on things like, "what celebrity did you have a crush on as a child?" Presumably, there is no wrong answer to that type of question, so I am defining them as troll attacks. So, since I have not seen other people actually explain their negative ratings (EVER); and I have the experience of doing it and my ratings immediately suffering, I assume that the site members (all of whom I respect) that advocate only rating down when one is willing to comment...I asssume that they mean never rate down at all. I am not on board with that. That turns the site to garbage: it does not benefit the cite in my very very humble opinion. There is a lot of crap out there. I am not a big rater-downer. But sometimes I think you have to draw the line.

    7) I think that a lot of the trollaphobia could subside if people kept in mind that this is not real life, but a systemic simulation of real life. Trolls aren't really "hurting" you. Get a GRIP! Sometimes you decide to go out on a limb even knowing that they will come after you, and sometimes you vote for keeping your mouth shut and saving your ratings. Think about it this way, when you "go out on a limb" in the real world, like say, Martin Luther King Jr., you sometimes end up a martyr. If you do it here...you might lose a few points. Get a grip and...maybe get OUTSIDE a little bit. Catch some sunshine!

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  • by ChaiCustard on July 29th, 2007

    ChaiCustard

    I think they should be give the downraters a choice category, the DEFAULT being something like "Im just a troll - live with it", and a blank one where they must enter at least 4-5 characters. This means they will *have* to make a representation of themselves, but have the freedom of how.

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  • by timetogetserious on January 8th, 2007

    timetogetserious

    No, it will just create more anger, arguments and bitchiness between members.

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  • by unknown on April 7th, 2008

    unknown

    No, I think it would cause a retaliatory down rating war. That is how it used to be on AB and that is what happened. Turn off your ratings button. I did it last year and have never looked back. It's really the best way to AB. You don't have to see that irritating red negative anymore. :)

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  • by Jewel on July 29th, 2007

    Jewel

    Absolutely. There is something disquieting about being downrated and not knowing why. Plus, it would just be good manners to give an explanation of why minus rateings might be called for.
    I do try not to give it too much thought because dwelling on it, and being bothered by it, is generally what trolls want.

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  • by scubabob on March 3rd, 2007

    scubabob

    I was around AB when it was required to leave a comment if you chose to rate "not useful" and, you actually did have to leave a comment or the rate wouldn't register. The way that points are being handed out like candy in this new format, I really don't think it matters if a comment is left or not on a negative rate. If it ticks you off so much, simply add in a comment asking why the downrate. I don't think it ought to be mandatory, no.

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  • by Harro Mique on March 3rd, 2007

    Harro Mique

    I agree with u,that'll help control trolls cause they like to be anonymous,I think,or that will atleast help find identify trolls.

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  • by Sweet T on September 17th, 2008

    Sweet T

    Yes, I think it is a great idea. If you dont agree with someone, I think you should be big enough to say why.

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  • by Spirit of the Nomad on September 17th, 2008

    Spirit of the Nomad

    I think it would be a good idea because it would stop the people who DR just to down rate and I like the idea of conversing with people who have different opinions than I do.

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  • by Carmella on September 17th, 2008

    Carmella

    On older versions of Answerbag, this was the case. In some ways it was good, if a user thought they would be held accountable for their DRs then they were less likely to DR for the sake of it. In other ways, it wasn't so good. There were ratings wars, which eventually resulted in the current rating policies.

    Here's the story, courtesy of Jodie. http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/249540

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  • by Tinkabelle on April 7th, 2008

    Tinkabelle

    No.
    What good would arguing with someone over opposing opinions do? It wouldn't solve anything but having an avatar to go along with the "injustice" of being downrated.

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  • by Jodie44 on August 6th, 2007

    Jodie44

    If I'm sure the person whose answer I DR'd can accept it with some dignity and grace and won't go in for retaliatory downrating, sure I'll explain.

    I DR'd an answer yesterday and explained my reasons for doing so. The person I DR'd got royally pissed and told me I was the nastiest person on AB or some such BS. Her "answer" was a judgmental non-answer, BTW. I'm not sure what else she expected.

    It's idealistic to assume everyone can take criticism without coming unglued.

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  • by Firebrand on April 18th, 2007

    Firebrand

    Yes I do ,

    and only once in my whole time on here has anyone been polite enough to down rate me and then explain why. That to me was fine because it told me WHY my reply was not helpful and i very much appreciated the persons honesty.

    EDIT .It is now 6 months later and I have had 3 people honest enough to tell me why they have DRated my answer. Those peoples honesty means a lot .

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  • by FallingLeaf on January 9th, 2007

    FallingLeaf

    no, you shouldn't expect that people's ratings will come with a comment. Sometimes it would be nice to get an explanation, but usually people don't care enough to give one. Answerbag is a free market. Not neccesarily rhyme or reason to what gets rated up or down.

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  • by Namaste formerly future_health_educator on January 9th, 2007

    Namaste formerly future_health_educator

    I do understand were you are comming from but I wish people would let this go. You aren't going to change what other people are doing. It is the same thing as if I said do you think it is wrong for a sales person to be rude. Of course it is wrong but some sales people are going to be rude whether you complain about it or not.

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  • by staffie on January 8th, 2007

    staffie

    no because they would all be along the same lines as good answer +?

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  • by Firebrand on July 26th, 2009

    Firebrand

    This has been a bone of contention for a long time.

    Yes I believe you should have to leave a reason why you find the answer unhelpful. After all people are very happy to let you know they have uprated you.

    They will not do it .At one time on AB you had to leave a name and reason for bad ratings. It apparently caused a lot of retaliation and problems so it was stopped.

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  • by BigDaddyBS on June 2nd, 2009

    BigDaddyBS

    This has been asked and answered a MILLION times before, but, once again, I will say that originally, they DID require comments. It started a ratings war. See http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/249540 .

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  • by Anonymous on May 23rd, 2009

    Anonymous

    Despite your well thought out name calling, there are legitimate reasons for downrating someone, not just "being lame". And I think you're providing an example of one of the main reasons people keep it anonymous right now. To avoid this kind of nonsense.

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  • by needtoknow on September 17th, 2008

    needtoknow

    I like that idea because then you wouldn't have to wonder what kind of an idiot would dr. my terrific answer. hahahaha. They don't have to leave their name, just a little comment so you'd know the reason.
    I do sometimes wonder why I've been drd. Im much better than I used to be though:))))

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  • by Carpediem COAT ab imo pectore on September 17th, 2008

    Carpediem COAT ab imo pectore

    I believe that "2old2dieyoung" is absolutely right in her answer I totally agree with her.

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  • by teedious now has a picture yae on August 6th, 2007

    teedious now has a picture yae

    It seems like some would be afraid of being downrated in retaliation. If it's a normal person, and they see the reason, I think they should be able to handle it. But some people are just jerks. Maybe a polite reason as to why they were downrated would help, but still. I've only downrated one time. For me, something has to be really stupid for me to want to downrate it, so I think it'd be fairly obvious as to why I did it in the first place.

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  • by APACHEmeansENEMY on August 6th, 2007

    APACHEmeansENEMY

    i dont downrate very often, and when i do i dont always leave a reason...i have never recieved a reason for being downrated...i know alot of people say they do it..but i have yet to see it.

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  • by still loves cheerios on July 29th, 2007

    still loves cheerios

    Yes, anything would do

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  • by Freaky_Chick on July 29th, 2007

    Freaky_Chick

    Yeah they should have have a reason why they give you negative points,if not for any reason they are just trolling.

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  • by Jodie44 on June 10th, 2007

    Jodie44

    No I don't. That's exactly how Answerbag worked for its first couple of years and all it did was lead to hard feelings, retaliatory negative ratings, and ratings wars. Unfortunately, it's unrealistic to believe that everyone will take negative ratings in stride.

    For more on the issue:

    http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/249540

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  • by Cannabis its just a plant on June 6th, 2007

    Cannabis its just a plant

    No, ratings are just that. Someone is able to rate your answer for validity or opinion, its a great system.

    If someone wants to make a comment that is where they do it, in the comments section.

    Every time I see a down-rate it is very helpful for me. I then can revise or it just reinforces that not everyone agrees 100% with my point.

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  • by bagless77 on March 3rd, 2007

    bagless77

    I don't think that it should be mandatory. There are times when I downrate simply because it was offensive. In many cases, the offendor is looking for that reaction and will simply start trolling me after that. Additionally, the answer may simply be unhelpful such as answering a question about being pregnant when you are a man and the writer again alreday knows they are unhelpful. If there is something that can be fixed, such as an incorrect answer, then I will leave a comment. I mostly uprate though, and would love a comment as to why my answer was uprated. It is just nice to hear. :)

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  • by Yeux on March 3rd, 2007

    Yeux

    I never down-rate or give a negative rating!
    But, I think it should be an option to give a reason for down-rating. However, out of courtesy people should say why they down-rate a response so the person who left the response might learn something or understand the other persons' way of thinking, should their answer be an incorrect one.

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  • by Anonymous on March 3rd, 2007

    Anonymous

    Sometimes, when I am down-rated I think, yes there should be a reason, but honestly, I think it is obvious why I am down-rated at times (which isn't often). Usually you can tell if your answer is contentious, offensive or not-helpful, and if you cannot tell why you were down-rated and blame it on a troll - then take heart that it does not minus points from your total. I think the whole point thing is getting out of hand (but maybe I can think that now as I am getting higher up in the ranks). If we choose not to take it seriously then there is nothing trolls can do to hurt you :)

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  • by beenaroundtheblock on January 17th, 2007

    beenaroundtheblock

    yes absolutely!!!!!!! I don't mind a thoughtful rejection of my opinion, or if I share incorrest facts, someone should call me on it, for the sake of others. But this petty childish business where some Christians downpoint any answers that differ in view from theirs is a real turn off, turns me off of them as individuals and leaves a bad taste in my mouth as far as Christians in general.
    All it does is limit the free exchange of ideas and limit opportunities to learn. We shouldn't be afraid to ask or answer the hard questions, how much more fun and interesting it would be if we could. I would way more prefer to hear the opinion of someone who thinks differently than I, I already know what I think.

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  • by mcclisteraf on January 17th, 2007

    mcclisteraf

    Most definately yes.

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  • by Biggie15 on January 17th, 2007

    Biggie15

    To quote a topic that I read yesterday, many 'immature grade school fungi kids' mark good answers down. So in a way, I think it would be a good idea, unless the answer or question was blatantly stupid

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  • by EL1 2 on January 17th, 2007

    EL1 2

    Yes

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  • by nevets - badgicide on January 8th, 2007

    nevets - badgicide

    No.

    Sometimes I rate up an answer and I feel that's enough.

    If I were required to leave a comment for rating someone, I would not rate people so much.

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  • by EL1 2 on January 4th, 2007

    EL1 2

    Yes.

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  • by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on June 7th, 2009

    Lady Alathia of Vulcan

    This has been hashed and rehashed.

    The final decision always comes to the fact that the point system loses ALL meaning if the anonymity is lost. As soon as we open the "DR-wars", we might as well not give out points at all.

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  • by Mech675 on May 23rd, 2009

    Mech675

    Even the most well thought out question can get DRed . The fact is people do have free will hear and will not always look at things the way you do. Do I agree with you? Yes. Will it happen? No. To many people would stalk the person who DR'ed them. That would undermine the system. +5 for the question. But people will be people.

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  • by Sweet T on September 29th, 2008

    Sweet T

    That would be great, how about you start first.

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  • by gtravels loves her life penguin on September 29th, 2008

    gtravels loves her life penguin

    I think you'll find lots of interesting opinions here:
    http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/111221

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  • by MagicSquares on September 17th, 2008

    MagicSquares

    I can see both sides of this one, as usual, but maybe a compromise would be to make people leave an anonymous comment. That way, you may at least be able to see why your question or answer was downrated, without the risk of retaliation wars flaring up.

    There will obviously be those who will leave nonsense comments, but if members adhere to the spirit of this site, then the overall result should be an improvement in this community.

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  • by I Hope My Name Fi on September 17th, 2008

    I Hope My Name Fi

    It would be nice, because random people just put negative ratings for no apparent reason.

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  • by killdrphil - reasonable for a madman on September 17th, 2008

    killdrphil - reasonable for a madman

    I don't usually agree with a downrate because I think my answers through but I can pretty much always guess why I was downrated so I don't think it's necessary for anyone to leave a comment. Besides, anyone leaving a comment is basically asking for a debate that who knows how long will last.

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  • by 2old2dieyoung on September 17th, 2008

    2old2dieyoung

    No.

    That would increase troll activity in retaliation.

    Trolls would still have to leave comments, but they likely wouldn't be legitimate, so it's pointless.

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  • by Caelub on September 17th, 2008

    Caelub

    that might create tentions, as it would elliminate the anonymity of the rating.

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  • by Major Look at yerself on April 7th, 2008

    Major Look at yerself

    I thought the sad thing about trolls is they can only type in grunts. Hence, negative ratings;-)

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  • by Dee Dee just havin some fun on January 25th, 2008

    Dee Dee just havin some fun

    I don't know. It sometimes surprises me. I don’t think I so obnoxious that I deserve a down rate.

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  • by oLd SkooL FooL is Smoking A Fat Joint on January 25th, 2008

    oLd SkooL FooL is Smoking A Fat Joint

    Because they're too much of a bitch to say why they disagree with your answers.



    to all the people that go through the trouble of leaving negative ratings but no comments

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  • by Lovehearts on January 25th, 2008

    Lovehearts

    Some people feel they have the right to downrate without commenting.
    Sometimes it's just trolls being trolls.

    And you can't, no.

    :]

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  • Do you think that it should be required to leave a comment when you rate someone?
  • Is it reasonable to expect people to leave an answer/comment if they feel like rating your question or answer? Not so bothered by positive ones but I'd like to know why they didn't like it if i get a negative.
  • Do you think a negative rating should be followed by a reason why?
  • Do you agree that the downrating function should only function when the downrater leaves a comment when s/he downrates?
  • Do you believe that when a person rates a question with a minus point they should say why in comments.
  • Should Answerbag make it obligatory to comment when downrating, ie you wont be able to downrate without writing some text first?
  • Do you think downraters should reveal their names and justify their reasons for downrating a thread, and then we should be allowed to rate their comments based on the logic of it?
  • Should AB require an explanation for down rating? Should the down rater's user name be revealed?
  • Do you think that AnswerBag shouldn't allow downrating without leaving a comment, or that downrating should no longer be anonymous?
  • Should AB make it so that, in order to down rate a question, a comment must be left explaning to the user why the down rating was, in the users eyes, justified? (The comment left would be from an 'annoynmous' user, so no one would know who's DRing them)
  • Would it be a good idea to require a short explanation as to why something is flagged? Would this not cut down on flagging out of spite/disagreement?
  • Ok the trolls are running amok..AGAIN!.. with the D/R's , so how about this for a solution.. you can't D/R without leaving a comment ...do you think that may stop the trolls and gutless wonders?
  • Do you think when someone downrates you they should have to state why; even if remaining anonymous?
  • Wouldn't it be a good idea if every time you want to rate down someone to have to explain why you want to do that, maybe just in a few words!! no?
  • Should someone always comment after they posi/nega rated you so you know why? (Curious about a little AB etiquette)
  • Would it be a good idea if a user couldn't down rate another without leaving a comment?
  • Should they make it so that you have to leave a comment before you downrate somebody, to give an explanation?
  • Why one earth would someone downrate you, without doing as much as leaving a comment to explain why they did so?
  • If you're going to be LAME and DR someone, don't you think you should have the BALLS to sign a name and give a reason?
  • I don't think you should be able to minus or plus someone here at AB without giving a reason as to why or a statement that correlates with they're minus or plus...To many people giving minus but with no reason as to why...What do you think?
  • Do you think that ABers shoud see who gives them negative point?
  • Who else thinks in order to give minus points or DR (down rate) someones answer you should have to give a reason why you feel they need to be DR?

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