Will George W Bush ever get the respect he deserves from America?

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• i am getting d/r coz why? look at this clown's record!

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  by Inducted Kitty on October 10th, 2008

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• -5? thank you, come again :)

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  by SloaneRanger on October 10th, 2008

• to all my plus-y pals thanks. I'll see you at the service, wear something cheery ;)

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  by SloaneRanger on October 10th, 2008

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• We meet again...unfortunately.

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  by Dr.Physician on October 10th, 2008

• He did give a nice rallying speech at the WTC 7 years ago. But it's been pretty much a big downward slide since then. Actually, more like a snowball going down the slope, gathering size and momentum until it reaches the bottom and explodes on America.

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  by weatherman taking week or so off on October 10th, 2008

• Exploding snow... Only the Bush administration could make water flammable. Must be all the oil.

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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on October 10th, 2008

• You guy are right. Now that I think about it...George Bush is the reason for all the problems in the world. When a democrat is president, I can't wait till the world is healed, and all of our problems fade away. Gosh darn it. Why didn't we think of this before?

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  by Dr.Physician on October 10th, 2008

• Clinton = budget surplus
  Bush = stock market crash.
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  Sounds about right.

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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on October 11th, 2008

• You democrats need to get your facts straight. Clinton left Bush in the FY2001 with a 133 billion dollar deficit. Clinton did not create a surplus. If you want to see for yourself go the U.S. treasury.com and see what your wonderful President did. I swear, you democrats will scream that lying fact till the day you die.

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  by Dr.Physician on October 11th, 2008

• Yeah. Republicans have a TON of room to talk about lying.
  And I'm a libertarian, if it makes any difference.

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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on October 11th, 2008

• Awwww. Looks like you've got yourself a fan, there, Lady! Btw, this is 2 months late, but CONGRATS on your beautiful little boy. :)

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  by Taylor on October 11th, 2008

• I'm not saying we don't lie...I'm just saying that we need to report factual evidence better as a whole. I don't lie about politics...all politicians do. Believe it or not Lady Alathia, I actually love libertarians. So this is kind of weird. We have found a somewhat common ground.

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  by Dr.Physician on October 11th, 2008

• And I'm an independent, after being a Democrat in my 20's and Republican in my 30's and 40's. Actually, Clinton's surplus was built on severe cutbacks in the active military, for which we now need to activate National Guard and Reserve troops, even for Bosnia and Kosovo, regardless of the events in Southwest Asia. And Clinton's last budget, which he approved and left for Bush, was in deficit. That being said, I liked Clinton, he worked with the Republican Congress and got things done. He "worked across party lines" as well as anyone.

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  by weatherman taking week or so off on October 13th, 2008

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• Exactly.

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  by TaylorMade on October 10th, 2008

• Thank you Taylor.

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  by Sweet T on October 10th, 2008

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• ...and it's even worse than it seemed at the time. I hope you weren't using that argument as to make Bush's legacy seem positive

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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on December 2nd, 2008

• I wasn't trying to make it seem positive OR negative. Simply pointing out a basic fact of history.

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  by LarryH54 on December 3rd, 2008

• ...But at least he admitted that lying about WMDs was a mistake. That's a start.

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  by Fashionista on December 3rd, 2008

• ...a start for his war-crimes trial. It amazes me how quickly people forget all of the illegal activity and deceit Bush has partaken in.

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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on December 3rd, 2008

• Don't get me wrong here, I'm not a supporter of that man. I was remarking on how miraculous it was for him to apologise about it.
  
  As far as I'm concerned the atrocities he and his government are responsible for are on a par with the work of the worst dictators in history.

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  by Fashionista on December 3rd, 2008

• Wow. Just keep crying over spilt milk. It's not like no other president ever did anything wrong before in the history of the Nation.

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  by LarryH54 on December 3rd, 2008

• Why don't you go say that to the people who have lost loved ones in Iraq, Larry. Both families of soldiers and of civilian casualties. Then we'll see.

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  by Fashionista on December 3rd, 2008

• Spilt milk. Why don't you tell the paralyzed Iraqi civilians who had nothing to do with WMDs, Al-Qaeda, or any sort of "terror" at all, that Bush's decisions are goddammned "spilt milk"
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  Or the people in Darfur, actually WANTING help - as opposed to all of the other people the US has "liberated" - getting nothing?
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  Or the innocent American citizens treated like concentration-camp inmates during the Katrina rescue efforts? (that is not at all an exaggeration - I can provide you with first-hand testimony if you desire)
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  Perhaps the naked Abu-Ghraib prisoners made to rub up against other inmates for their guards' amusement? Or the Guantanamo inmated held artibrarily...the right of Habeus Corpus denied?

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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on December 3rd, 2008

• Hey. I had friends at the WTC. We didn't start this nonsense, and those casualties are the responsibility of Al Quaida. Even Obama says we need to move on, but you people have been hating for so long you can't get past the hate anymore. But hey, you're only hurting yourselves. So go ahead and keep churning your insides out. I'm out of here.

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  by LarryH54 on December 3rd, 2008

• Off to your ivory tower? The corpse-littered air is quite dense down here, no?
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  What the hell did the Katrina victims have to do with Al-Qaeda?

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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on December 3rd, 2008

• Yet another person who thinks Al Quaida and the 9/11 are/were the responsibility of Iraq and Saddam Hussein. I don't think you can get past this kind of vulgar, dangerous ignorance, so I'm bailing out too.
  
  Finally, so, you had friends in the WTC. I had friends I lost in 7/7 in London, another al-quaia attack, but you don't see the me or the British public blaming THAT on Iraq, do you?

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  by Fashionista on December 4th, 2008

• What parallel universe are you from? We're in Iraq to PROTECT them from an invasion by terrorists. Their gov't panicked recently when Obama said we'd be out soon. You're right. This thread is worthless. Neither of you is capable of understanding reality. Ivory tower??? You're the liberal lapdogs here, not me.

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  by LarryH54 on December 4th, 2008

• LOL that is the most selective garbage I have ever heard. The Iraqi government panicked? They barely decided to let America stay!
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  "The withdrawal, theoretically, is completed at the end of December 2011, but we are expectant and hopeful that we could achieve that earlier," government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said
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  Al-Attiyah drew applause when he said the prime minister should overturn or amend the security deal if "its implementation is found to be harmful to the interests of the Iraqi people."
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  "The alternative is much worse than the agreement," he said, referring to the renewal of a U.N. mandate under which the U.S.-led foreign forces are operating in Iraq. That mandate expires Dec. 31
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  http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLQ17155120081127?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
  http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1128/p25s09-wome.html
  http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=463187

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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on December 4th, 2008

• And please, stop dodging my comments about Bush's Katrina response. Ignoring it...is exactly what caused the problem in the first place.

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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on December 4th, 2008

• He also dodged my references to 9/11 and 7/7. I doubt we're going to get much coherence out of this Bush-ite. I find the phrase ´liberal lapdog' hilarious, especially considering this individuals bottom-licking attitude.
  
  Quite frankly, laughable.

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  by Fashionista on December 5th, 2008

• Obviously, Katrina has nothing at all to do with Al-Qaeda. And the Democrat governor of the state had a lot more to do with stopping aid to New Orleans than Bush did anyway. Don't get me wrong. I'm no Bushite. He lied about being a conservative, too. But he doesn't deserve the blind rage that is STILL going on among liberals. Besides, he's as good as gone. Why beat a dead horse?

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  by LarryH54 on December 5th, 2008

• Lied about being a conservative? Bush is as neo-conservative/evangelical as it gets - guns for all, what global warming?, block vital stem-cell research, thinks gay marriage would somehow "hurt" his own marriage, shoot-first ask questions later...
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  Why beat a dead horse? To make him answer for his numerous crimes. The president is supposed to be an example of respectability and accountability, not unilateral domination.
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  I hardly call the desire for justice "blind rage".

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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on December 5th, 2008

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• That among other things, things that only the most cynical people can mastermind.

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  by Sanguine Visions is wearing ninja garbs on December 2nd, 2008

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• Huh?

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  by subtlesledgehammer on October 10th, 2008

• Yes...believe it or not...there are people in the world who think differently than you. Not everyone thinks George Bush is Satan's grandchild.
  
  Real shocker, eh?
  
  I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as you.

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  by Dr.Physician on October 10th, 2008

• Satan's grandchild? No. Just a big-spending, war-mongering, incompetent dullard.

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  by subtlesledgehammer on October 11th, 2008

• If that were true our country would be a lot more in trouble then it is today. He's not incompetent. He's not a dullard. War-mongering? Perhaps...that's up for debate. That might be too harsh of a term. Did he get us into war. Yes. But if any president didn't attack those people and show them who's boss, who would? At least they know how serious we are about protecting our citizens. That even when all the world is angry at us for doing it, we still care enough to stick it out. We have balls, unlike many other countries. Big-spending...well...we are in a war. This too will pass.

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  by Dr.Physician on October 11th, 2008

• But the fact remains that he attacked the wrong people--the Iraqi government, not the Afghanistan natives who did attack us. I'm sure Bin Laden is somewhere laughing his head off right now thinking that he can get away with more murder, because Bush will just order attacks on other people, not him.

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  by Anonymous on December 2nd, 2008

• The Iraqi government was run by a man who was killing millions of his own citizens and was also housing the very same terrorists we can't stand. Bin Laden is not laughing his head off. How could he be? We've taken down his throne, we've destroyed his people, we've shown him that we care about our citizens, just because he might maybe somehow still be alive, it doesn't mean he isn't freaked out of his shorts. The moment we find him, he's dead.

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  by Dr.Physician on December 2nd, 2008

• Your assertion that Hussein and Iraq were "housing the very same terrorists" is utterly false. Until we embarked upon this misadventure in Mesopotamia, Al Queda, and all other Islamic fundamentalists for that matter, were enemy number one for Hussein.

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  by subtlesledgehammer on December 3rd, 2008

• I beg to hear this though. Was taking down a dictator like Saddam Husssein who literally killed millions of his own people such a bad thing? Oh...I forgot, we're supposed to sit in our high-authority chair of power and just let people do that. Whoops. My bad. Saddam Hussein wasn't a terrorist, was he? He was just someone inflicting terror on his people? Oh, okay, I guess I understand. Hmm...wow...why didn't I think of that? Stabilizing Iraq was pointless? Oh, and all this time I thought creating Allies in the Middle East was a good thing considering that the Middle East is the hotspot for all things that are going on in the world for today. Wow...how could I have been so stupid. You're right, we did a terrible, horrible thing in Iraq. You are so right subtlesledgehammer. I'll go drink my American Starbucks and sit in my plush room eating a feast while people around the world are dying.
  
  Thanks for opening my eyes!

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  by Dr.Physician on December 3rd, 2008

• There is no question as to the monstrous character of this man. However, there are many despots, autocrats and thugs around the world in positions of power. Is it our responsibility to police the world? Does the world wish for us to unilaterally be in charge? How did we choose this particular dictator? Was it WMDs? (Laughable). Was it oil? (Probable). The ONLY legitimate reason for taking any action against this man was his contemptuous dismissal of UN mandates. Does this mean we invade and occupy an entire country? (Look up the term "blowback" for further edification.) There is so much with your post that betrays your lack of understanding and knowledge. What "allies," exactly, have we created in the MidEast as a result of this invasion and occupation? (Other than our already steadfast ally, Israel.) The main result of this invasion was a strengthened Iran. If you think Iraq is "stabilized" than please let me know where you get your drugs. BTW, discussing Iraq doesn't help the dying.

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  by subtlesledgehammer on December 3rd, 2008

• Oh you are so knowledgeable of this topic. I'm so sorry I have had no idea what I've been talking about. You are so right. Your opinion is clearly non-negotiable and I should have understood that from the beginning. Of course my points are just straw-man arguments and have no basis. I clearly underestimated you. Oh silly me, with my silly ideas, having different opinions then some people. It truly is a crime to humanity.

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  by Dr.Physician on December 3rd, 2008

• Forgive me?

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  by Dr.Physician on December 3rd, 2008

• Ah, passive aggression in the place of facts and eloquence?

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  by subtlesledgehammer on December 3rd, 2008

• Well...I've had a long day. And I in all honesty think we both know our stuff and can be more mature than this fight. I think you are a very intelligent person. You have good reason for what you believe, as I believe I do have good reasons. And though you may not admit that I do, I am more willing to make an effort to sincerely (all passive aggressiveness aside) be friends with you. Since we both ultimately know what we're talking about, and have good reasons to believe it, shall we just agree to disagree? I'm more worried about the people who just jump on liberal or conservative bandwagons without thinking things through. You clearly are not that type of person. I am sorry for egging this debate on with you. Thank you for your maturity my friend.

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  by Dr.Physician on December 3rd, 2008

• Sure. Cheers.

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  by subtlesledgehammer on December 4th, 2008

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• Sure, discobod. First, I should just let you know I asked this to intentionally start a riot, but, so far, all is calm, so, thats cool:) Im not a huge fan of his...
   
  I respect him for his role as the President of the United States of America, commander in chief of one of the youngest powerful nations out there. I suppose it is similar to a King, or a Queen. In the sense that the person holds a very important office, and is expected to make the right decisions, decisions that will affect many more then he is responsible for.
  I do not support his decisions, but I support his position.
  Apparently, I am one of many...
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  I hope this gives you a little insight into my reasoning for the question.

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  by Chris on October 11th, 2008

• yes many thanks chris

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  by discobod on October 12th, 2008

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• You really think that? I'm kinda shocked that anyone would say that. in my opinion i think he will face war crimes not to far in the future with Tony Blair...

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  by Nanoo on October 10th, 2008

• No he did it legally.

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  by The Wraith of God is Coming on October 10th, 2008

• Legally the American legal way! But with new laws and people there will be a way to have them both on trial!
  
  And Pumpkin Queen, I was just kidding in my answer!

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  by Anonymous on October 10th, 2008

• I see, me bad!! :)

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  by Nanoo on October 10th, 2008

• Bruno that would mean you are breaking the Consitution Changing a law and retroactively enforcing it is forbiden by the US Constitution.

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  by The Wraith of God is Coming on October 10th, 2008

• I know but all of that will change at somepoint, I'm afraid it's going to be inevitable, the constitution is already struggling in the present time to justify and maintain itself and is being legally challenged more and more every year! It'll cave in at some point! People are changing, and real fast it seems.

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  by Anonymous on October 10th, 2008

• Bruno: See if we go changing laws we can do whatever we want to how ever we want you may recall the name Hitler. See he did that and millions died. People most learn from the mistakes of the past.
  
  Well if that's the case were done, war will insue and they'll be great death I can deal wit that also.

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  by The Wraith of God is Coming on October 10th, 2008

• Yea like in the book 1984

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  by Roaring on October 13th, 2008

• Roaring Big Bother is here, medical records, driving records, bank records, everything with the Government buying assets they will have access to Business Data & Governmental data.
  
  Think what that means.

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  by The Wraith of God is Coming on October 14th, 2008

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• Actually, it was quite serious:)
  Thanks +6

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  by Chris on October 11th, 2008

• As the commander in chief he deserves to be respected, I'll give you that, but I also think you actually have to earn respect as well. G.W.Bush dropped the ball a lot Chris...

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  by ALPHAMALE on October 11th, 2008

• Yeah, I know. Im really not a huge fan of his.
  You got it , with the commander in chief deal.
  Thats basically my point. I also do like to ask provocative questions, as well:)

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  by Chris on October 11th, 2008

• Thanks
  +4 :)

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  by ALPHAMALE on October 11th, 2008

• Glad I could help:)

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  by Chris on October 11th, 2008

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