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by Anonymous
on December 11th, 2009
voted:
No
Its sick, it has always been sick and will always be sick. Wrong is wrong, and right is right. The Bible said that this would happen and it has. that that which used to be right would become wrong and that which used to be wrong, would become right.
Which law can you just not stand
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Not everyone believes in your bible. To legislate based on one person's religious beliefs is wrong. Imagine if a hindu tried to make their beliefs the law in your country. You would do everything to try and stop that, which is why secular intelligent humans will do everything to stop this hateful christian agenda.
by Isaac on December 11th, 2009
Wrong is Wrong, Bible or no Bible. Homosexuality is wrong.
by Anonymous on December 11th, 2009
It may be wrong for you, but not for somebody else.
by Phrenia on December 12th, 2009
Its wrong period.
by Anonymous on December 12th, 2009
Next thing you're going to tell me is that child molestation is OK. well its not. even if a child molester says its OK.
by Anonymous on December 12th, 2009
You keep stating it is wrong but you do not say why.
by Gingerminx on December 12th, 2009
Do I have to state why Child molestation is wrong or do you think thats OK too.
by Anonymous on December 12th, 2009
@Im for truth: Why do you think this has ANYTHING to do with child molestation whatsoever?? Please reply with reasons and logic and not just asserations, if that's possible for you.
by Isaac on December 12th, 2009
Homosexuality and Child molestation are both sexually perverse, those that are gay think there is nothing wrong with being gay and molesters think there is nothing wrong with what their doing.you may think you are being logical but I think you are being illogical.
by Anonymous on December 12th, 2009
Im for truth, I can't believe what you just wrote in your last comment there! I don't understand why someone would believe , let alone say something that insulting.
by Strength on December 12th, 2009
well believe it.
by Anonymous on December 12th, 2009
It is wrong in your perspective. Reality is not based on your perspective. I'm sorry if this is bad news for you.
by Nutsy_Rail on December 13th, 2009
Unfortunately for you by the time you find out I'm right it will be to late for you and others like you.
by Anonymous on December 13th, 2009
So what's so wrong then? You still haven't convinced me. Your religion must have very little tolerance for variety groups. Oh, and the children excuse doesn't work either, so skip that when you come up with a dumb retort.
by Anonymous on December 13th, 2009
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. If you don't like what I have to say don't read it.
by Anonymous on December 13th, 2009
Only a sicko would equate child molestation with homosexuality. A homosexual relationship is between 2 consenting adults. Child molestation is a crime perpetrated on someone who is unable to fight back, or at the very least too young to form an opinion or legally consent. It takes a sick mind to equate love with abusive exploitation.
by mother earth on December 15th, 2009
You are wrong. Both these things are Immoral acts. besides I could find alot of people that believe Homosexuaity is a sick perverted act, even if people with blinded eyes like yours don't see it.
by Anonymous on December 15th, 2009
You and people like you who don't think homosexuality is sick, you are the sicko's.
by Anonymous on December 15th, 2009
Just because you can find a lot of ignorant prejudiced people who think like you does not mean you're right. You've offered no reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than your own malformed, childish opinion.
by Polar Aurorae on December 17th, 2009
Guess where you fall under. The group of people who just HAVE to shout out their opinions and can NEVER keep to themselves and just HAVE to be heard and can NEVER accept societal change in any form, for better, for worse, or a change that doesn't affect you in any way. All the bible predicted was a natural change in society that happens every couple hundred years. So ditch the bible and use some common sense and individuality. One reason why atheism/agnosticism rules over all.
by MasterDebater on December 17th, 2009
*edit* kudos to the guy above my last comment, you are one of the people that contains the last ounces of americas common sense and moral.
by MasterDebater on December 17th, 2009
*edit #2* same thing to you, mother earth, thank you.
by MasterDebater on December 17th, 2009
When all of you stand before God, which you will, the truth will be revealed and all of you will have to live with your decision to live a lie. and believe me, that will be a sad day indeed.
by Anonymous on December 17th, 2009
Prove God real, and i'd rather burn in hell than be in heaven with christians like you.
by Zenrean on December 19th, 2009
right on, there aint many sane people left like your self, im right behind you "im for the truth"OH hang on that sounds gay ahhh HELP me im turning into BRUNO!!!LOL
by -answerman- on January 4th, 2010
I'mforthetruth cannot see wrong from right and has still not told us why it is wrong to be homosexual.
Even if somebody is homosexual that is not a sin in itself.
That would be like calling a straigt person a sin.
But if a man and woman sleep together before marriage, that may be sinful.
The same goes here, if two men or women sleep together that is sinful. But being homosexual on it's own without doing anything, that is no sin!
You are being very ignorant and judging. I think you will find God has more compassion for somebody who is gay (who btw he made that way) than someone as judgmental and 'perfect' as yourself.
by Strength on January 14th, 2010
"When all of you stand before God, which you will, the truth will be revealed and all of you will have to live with your decision to live a lie. and believe me, that will be a sad day indeed."
This amuses me because it is you who will realize then that you are wrong (if such things do exist). Ironically, it wont be sad at all.
by Phrenia on January 14th, 2010
Im For Truth, your name is just so wrong for you. You are not for truth, you stand only for your own one eyed views. You have not given one reason at all why homosexuals should not marry. To equate homosexuals marrying to child abuse is frankly just sick on your part. There is no common ground between the two what so ever. I do not beleive in your god but doesn't the bible say that he loved all? Did he not say let he who is without sin cast the first stone? Are you without sin? You certainly show no compassion for your fellow man. I fear it is you who will stand before your god and have to answer for your sins.
by Gingerminx on January 14th, 2010
Hey superChristians, I think God (if he really exists) is pretty chill with gay people. Are you saying God discriminates based on orientation?
by Anonymous on January 14th, 2010
Only one person said that. :)
I'm cool with it too.
by Strength on January 15th, 2010
you are the one who is sick...get help....get with the 21st century...
by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on January 16th, 2010
grow up and get a life..you sound like you have the IQ of a dead turtle.
by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on January 16th, 2010
This world is screwed. Anything goes. Have sex with anyone, everywhere, anytime. Whatever makes you "happy."
There will be lawlessness (there already is)...so, none of this is a surprise.
by butterfly_45891 on January 18th, 2010
Actually, there are laws against having sex with minors, oh and against having sex in public places. As to anytime, sure, why not?
by Gingerminx on January 18th, 2010
Butterfly, I'm not sure where you're living, but that's not the world the rest of us are living in. Obviously not everyone gets whatever makes them happy (and they shouldn't), but what is so wrong about having equal rights for people who live within the laws? If the only reason people are rejecting homosexual marriages is because of their religious 'obligations' than there's no reason this shouldn't be legalized, especially in the so-called secular states of the world.
by Phrenia on January 18th, 2010
there is no such thing as right and wrong only what one perceives as right or wrong
by MrReason on February 13th, 2010
I perceive that we are all wrong ;-)
by Strength on February 13th, 2010
I'm not wrong.
by Isaac on February 13th, 2010
Did you miss the point of MrReasons comment? LOL
by Strength on February 13th, 2010
I am gay and have been married for 22 1/2 years to the same man in Canada...I think it's about time that the US caught up with the rest of the world....and please tell me how to unsubscribe from this question with its mostly homophobic childlike opinions.
by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on February 13th, 2010
I am gay and have been married for 22 1/2 years to the same man in Canada...I think it's about time that the US caught up with the rest of the world....and please tell me how to unsubscribe from this question with its mostly homophobic childlike opinions.
by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on February 13th, 2010
I am gay and have been married for 22 1/2 years to the same man in Canada...I think it's about time that the US caught up with the rest of the world....and please tell me how to unsubscribe from this question with its mostly homophobic childlike opinions.
by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on February 13th, 2010
Da Ben, when you look at it as an alert at the bottom it has a small blue word, mute, click to unsubscribe.
by Gingerminx on February 13th, 2010
Amazingly, Anonymous, there are 10 fools who agree with you. I'm betting 9 of them can't string together a sentence of 20 words with fewer than 2 errors.
by HasntBeen on March 4th, 2010
Fools? Matthew 5:22 And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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You're not a christian are you?
by Zenrean on March 5th, 2010
Of course not. Do I look like somebody who believes in ancient fantasies, superstitions, prejudices, and myths?
by HasntBeen on March 5th, 2010
I'm not a christian, and hence not a fool.
by Isaac on March 5th, 2010
Give me one reason what makes homosexuality wrong?
by Zenrean on March 6th, 2010
@Annoymous There isn't one.
by Isaac on March 6th, 2010
Yes, a good true answer.
by astimegosby on March 16th, 2010
Ya there is nothing wrong with homosexuality in a mixed up, confused, deviant society, but in a moral correct society it is wrong. All you have to do is look at the characteristics of the male and female anatomy to see it go's against nature. I'm sure to you're deviant perverted mind that's a terrible reason. what a surprise.
by Anonymous on March 16th, 2010
So anyone born with an arm missing or downs syndrome or with a club foot is goign against nature and we should shun them for it? Wow, I don't think I would want to live in your 'moral and correct' society.
by Gingerminx on March 16th, 2010
as always you twist things around. men or women who have clubbed feet or downs syndrome still have if male a penis and female a vagina. you hear what you want to hear and are like talking to a wall. I can't help but laugh at you, you're mind is so twisted. learn the English language and stop twisting words to fit you're twisted way of thinking.
by Anonymous on March 17th, 2010
You are the one who said it went against nature, so does the things I mentioned, either you are against them all or you are a hypocrite. Unlike you I will not resort to pathetic personal attacks.
by Gingerminx on March 17th, 2010
@Anonymous
Actually, it's perfectly natural, in every way. You must only look at the THOUSANDS of animal species who partake in this activity to see that it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
Maybe the correct definition you're looking for is "icky". As in "It's seems icky to me so I'm going to fight against it and resort to personal attacks if I must."
Remember Natural= Something observed in nature (eg. Homosexuality, breast feeding, sex, etc.) and Icky= something that makes you feel uncomfortable.
by Isaac on March 17th, 2010
@ Isaac. Perfect. There are plenty of homosexual animals out there, and it's not like their reproductive rate is slowing because of this.
by Anonymous on March 17th, 2010
(As always you twist things around. men or women who have clubbed feet or downs syndrome still have if male a penis and female a vagina...?)
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Or,what about: Hermaphrodite?
by Zenrean on March 17th, 2010
Zenrean brings up a good point: part of the problem with the fundamentalist view of homosexuality is that it's based in a childishly simplistic view of what sexuality is. Being male or female is a relative concept: hermaphrodites do exist. The population isn't neatly divided up into boys and girls any more than the moral landscape is neatly divided up into "good sex" and "bad sex".
Simplistic thinking is the familiar road that takes fundamentalists to their favorite destinations over and over again, and prevents them from seeing any new sights.
by HasntBeen on March 17th, 2010
sicko's, perverts, all around fools, we've been over all this and you all are still deceived drones and puppets, I'm sorry you all chose hell. I will not waste any more time on any of you.
by Anonymous on March 17th, 2010
The response of someone who has no answers.
by Gingerminx on March 17th, 2010
I count 17 "goodbye's" so far. Not enough for a world record, but certainly an honorable mention.
by HasntBeen on March 17th, 2010
@Anonymous How can we choose a place that doesn't exist?
by Isaac on March 18th, 2010
@HasntBeen
There are ten fools
You told Anonymous that ten fools agree with her. I agree with Anonymous, and believe me I am no fool.
This is a debate. A debate is an argument, discussion, usually in a formal setting, often with more than two people, generally ending with a vote or other decision.
Because other people have a different point of view, to yours, you resort to calling them fools. That is not debating.
17 Goodbye's
You seem to be keen to count up and point out how many people have left the debate. Why is that?
The idea of a debate is not to see how many people are made to feel they should leave.
If you want to be a good debater, you will have to learn that, your opinion is not the only opinion. You will have to accept the fact that other people have different beliefs and views to yours, and not insist that your view on a subject, is the only view that is correct.
You have to be open minded, and discuss the subject objectively, without resorting to insulting people and their intellect.
by astimegosby on March 18th, 2010
@astimegoesby
"and believe me I am no fool." That's your own opinion of yourself, which is subject to bias because you're you.
"If you want to be a good debater, you will have to learn that, your opinion is not the only opinion." I don't think ANYONE here thinks their opinion is the ONLY one.
"You have to be open minded, and discuss the subject objectively, without resorting to insulting people and their intellect."
Tell that to the christians here! Specifically Anonymous who was the first one to resort to insults on 15 December on this thread: "You and people like you who don't think homosexuality is sick, you are the sicko's."
HasntBeen was only responding to those insults in terms Anonymous would understand, as logic is beyond him.
by Isaac on March 18th, 2010
@ Anonymous. How is choosing rights for others choosing Hell? If your God doesn't like gay people, why did he put them here in the first place?
by Anonymous on March 18th, 2010
And if he doesn't like gay people, why call him all loving!
by Zenrean on March 18th, 2010
@astimegoesby: you might be surprised to find I agree with you about a lot of what you're saying. Some minor corrections:
The '17 goodbyes' doesn't refer to the people who have left, it refers to the number of times on the thread that Anonymous has told us in one form or another that he's done with us deluded fools, that we'll get our uppance in Hell, etc.
As for people having differing opinions, of course I'm aware of that... I even agree that having a different opinion than mine, in and of itself, does not make someone a fool. However, Anonymous' answer, which you are saying you agree with, goes far beyond my "fools" comment in being insulting, arrogant, self-righteous, and narrow-minded. If you want to open up the minds and encourage lively discussion without rigid position-taking, you sure picked the wrong horse to back. This horse has nothing but a back-end.
by HasntBeen on March 19th, 2010
@Isaac
I am no fool
HasntBeen commented that nine out of the ten people who agree with Anonymous are fools. That is subject to bias too, because that is his own opinion. It is also quite an arrogant statement to make.
What he appears to be saying is, unless people agree with his side of the debate, they are fools. That is not a satisfactory comment to make in a debate.
Only responding to Anonymous
You have reinforced my statement about personal attacks. You have resorted to insult. You posted that "logic is beyound Anonymous's understanding". In an organized debate, one opponent can not make derogatory comments about the other. Doing so causes contention between the opponents.
The debate is: Should marriage for same sex-couples be legal.
There are two sides to the debate. For or against. It is a sensitive issue and people on both sides, have strong views regarding the question.
I strongly doubt that either side will change their opinion on the subject, but the idea is to state your opinion and then discuss reasons why you feel the way you do.
My opinion is. Same sex marriage should not be legal.
My reasoning behind my opinion is:
I feel by legalizing marriage of same sex coulpes, it is indorsing homosexuality.
I beleive homosexuality is morally wrong, and for a government to condone it, in any form, is sending a very detrimental message to our children.
I welcome comments that debate my opinion. If anyone chooses to affront me, personally, I will not acknowledge their post.
by astimegosby on March 19th, 2010
Astimegosby, the fact that you see endorsing homosexuality as wrong is just your opinion. The fact that you see it as morally wrong is again just your opinion. So that is backing opinion with opinion.
by Gingerminx on March 19th, 2010
@Gingermix
My opinion
Yes, Gingermix, that is my opinion, of course it is. That is what debating is, expressing your opinion. It would not serve much purpose, for me to express someone elses opinion, would it?
Who's opinion do you express, when you post a comment?
Backing opinion with opinion
Point one:
I said that legalizing same sex marriage, is indorsing homosexuality.
Point two:
I also said, I beleive that homosexuality is morally wrong and that for a government to condone it, in any form, is sending a detrimental message to our children.
It is called debating.
by astimegosby on March 19th, 2010
@HasntBeen
17 Goodbye's
I misunderstood your meaning.
Agreeing with Anonymous
I do not agree with alot of the comments Anonymous has posted.
What I am saying, is I am on the same side of the debate as Anonymous.
by astimegosby on March 20th, 2010
I am not sure how backing opinion with opinion is debating. But, I could simply say that legalising same sex marriage does not endorse homosexuality, and, I believe that homosexuality is morally correct and the government should condone it and we should teach our children to be tolerant of those who are different to themselves.
by Gingerminx on March 20th, 2010
@astimegoesby: you're on the same side of the debate as Anonymous, I understand. But the *types of arguments* you are making are hypocritical: you're tearing into the other side for insults and arrogance and failing to respect the opinions of opponents, but you're completely silent about much worse behavior of that type from the guy on your "side". So you only care about those issues when they're useful as a weapon against your opponents... that indicates you don't really care about them as principles: they're just cynical postures to take when you think you can rub some nasty in the face of the person you're arguing with.
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If you look at the tone of the debate, Anonymous started right off with all the nasty stuff you're complaining about and more. Why aren't you correcting his style?? Obviously, because he's on your side!
That is the way fundamentalists see the world: "you're wid us, or you're agin us!". It's one big feud between the Hatfields and the McCoys, and really... underneath it all... it has nothing whatsoever to do with morality and everything to do with group loyalty and personal identity: people attack what they see as "not us" and defend what is "us". So gays are 'not you', and are fair game. Anonymous is 'you', and although his behavior in public here has been disgusting and reprehensible by your standards, you can only see clear to point those things out in his opponents.
So I call "bullshit" on the points you're making. What's worse, you've offered nothing but opinion to back up your view on homosexuality, and then obscured the matter by claiming that "debate is about opinions". It most certainly is not -- it's about what you can *demonstrate* by reason, evidence, and critical thinking.
You're all about opinion, and have in fact no basis for your moral view on the topic. You're a Hatfield.
by HasntBeen on March 20th, 2010
@astimegoes
" You have reinforced my statement about personal attacks. You have resorted to insult. You posted that "logic is beyound Anonymous's understanding". "
It wasn't my intention to resort to insults, and I didn't. On March 17th, Anonymous said :"sicko's, perverts, all around fools, we've been over all this and you all are still deceived drones and puppets, I'm sorry you all chose hell. I will not waste any more time on any of you." So quite clearly, "Logic is beyond Anonymous's understanding" isn't an insult, it's a fact, and if you can't accept that then that's your problem.
You said "I feel by legalizing marriage of same sex coulpes, it is indorsing homosexuality..."
A have a few questions to help you back up your opinion with more opinion: So what if letting other people have the same rights as the majority indorsing the minority?
What is so particularly wrong with homosexuality?
What "message" is it sending to the children and why is this message not ok?
by Isaac on March 20th, 2010
I wonder what ever happened to logic?
by Zenrean on March 20th, 2010
@Gingermix
Backing opinion with opinion
I don't know how you have come to that conclusion. I addressed two separate things. Homosexuality is one thing and same sex marriage is another.
Legalising same sex marriage
I beleive that by a government legalising something it is endorsing it.
Therefore, if a government legalises same sex marriage, it is telling people that same sex couples are excepted. It is telling our children that family values no longer exist, that to have a father and mother, and for the father and mother to have sex and the mother to give birth to a child, is no longer the normal way of life.
Teaching children to be tolerant
I agree, we should teach our children to be tolerant of different cultures, people with disabilities, people with different views to their own, and people who live immoral life styles.
But, having said that, it is also our responsibilty to teach our children, right from wrong. If we fail to tell them that, although homosexuality is excepted as being normal by alot of people in society, today, it is infact, not normal but immoral and sinful.
by astimegosby on March 20th, 2010
@HasntBeen
The guy on your side
I am not responsible for anything that Anonymous has said. In fact I told you that I do not agree with alot of the things Anonymous has said. So do not say that I am hypocritcal, because of what someone else has posted.
Why are you being so defensive? This is a simple debate, not a murder trial. Why are you saying such farcical things in your comment, like, "you are either wid us or against us"? You have posted this long winded comment to me, and really, you have said nothing at all that contributes to the debate.
So gays are not you and are fair game
This is a debate, not a hunting expedition.
I beleive homosexuality is unnatural, immoral and sinful, and that it is detrimental to society. Alot of homosexuals parade themselves down the streets in the gay mardi gras, every year. They show no modesty in their chose of clothing, flaunting their immoral life style, like it is something to embrace and be proud of. I feel it is a disgraceful thing to do, as it pulls us down as a decent, respectful society, and sends the wrong message to our children.
Do not presume to tell me that I should not watch it if I do not like it. I do neither attend it or watch it on TV, I have only seen it on the news.
It is obvious you have some problem dealing with another persons opinion, by the remarks you have made in your comment, to me.
"You call bull-shit to the points I'm making"? That is very poor debating. There is no need to resort to that sort of talk?
Demonstrate
HasntBeen, mate, please demonstrate, by reason, evidence, and critical thinking, why you consider "same sex marriage" should be legalised.
by astimegosby on March 20th, 2010
@astimegoesby
"Therefore, if a government legalises same sex marriage, it is telling people that same sex couples are excepted."
Why wouldn't they be expected if it was legalized? And I don't get why that would be a bad thing. And these "Family Values" aren't going to be non-existent, they will extend to more people, which would be wonderful.
"that to have a father and mother, and for the father and mother to have sex and the mother to give birth to a child, is no longer the normal way of life."
Of it will still be normal, but abnormal doesn't necessarily bad. I wish the xenophobic people of the world would realize that.
"I agree, we should teach our children to be tolerant of different cultures, people with disabilities, people with different views to their own, and people who live immoral life styles."
Stop right there, "Immoral life styles"? Sounds you like you a taste of those teachings yourself!
"If we fail to tell them that, although homosexuality is excepted as being normal by alot of people in society, today, it is infact, not normal but immoral and sinful."
Only in countries drowned by religious zealots. In more progressive countries like Norway and Canada, same-sex marriage is "endorsed" by your definition, and what consequences have these "immoral and sinful" countries suffered? None at all! In fact same-sex marriage has helped those countries! So the whole mindset that homosexuality and same-sex marriage is in some way evil, is nothing more than a mindset of a xenophobic homophobic person who clearly doesn't understand what love between two homosexuals is, which doesn't have a basis in reality.
by Isaac on March 20th, 2010
@astimegoesby: the burden of proof here is on you, not us. You are the one saying that homosexuality is wrong -- that's an accusation against all homosexuals. You are obliged to back that up, in service of the truth.
So far, all I can tell in your viewpoint is that you feel it's icky and unnatural. That is not a moral argument, that's just telling us how you have been conditioned in childhood.
Some Asian cultures eat dogmeat. In the West, we find that icky and unnatural and cruel. They think it's completely normal. That is cultural conditioning. If an American eats dogmeat, they may react so violently that they'll throw up and do a month's worth of soul-searching: but that is not *moral thinking*. Moral thinking is about general principles of right and wrong, and so far you've said nothing which indicates that you understand the difference.
Your sense of ickyness does not give you the right to condemn others.
As for the government "legalizing" something to legitimize it, that's bass-ackwards: we live in a free society -- everything which is not expressly forbidden is permitted. The government does not need to legalize anything to make it legitimate... it's the other way around -- the government needs to JUSTIFY making something illegal, because doing so deprives individuals of freedom: a core value in our culture.
Our core values demand that gays be allowed to marry -- unless someone can explain why it should be forbidden, and that involves moral argument. So far, I have been in this debate for years, and have not heard a single logical moral argument from the other side. I'm pretty convinced that's because there isn't one, but if you think you have some new thing up your sleeve, please share it with us.
by HasntBeen on March 20th, 2010
@Astimegoesby, You did not address two things, you used your opinions on homosexuality to back your opinion of same sex marriage. But here is where I have a problem with your reasons. They are all your moral point of view, mine is different, why should yours rule? You say same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed because of the message we send our children, well considering the message we are sending them now with the climbing divorce rate, wouldn't it be great for them to see so many more people getting married? After all, are you saying you prefer your children to see all of these homosexuals livign in sin? You have no real logical reason for disallowing same gender marriage than your moral point of view. In the old days that same moral point of view was responsible for slavery, persecution of so called witches, and any number of other things which society has realised was illogical and irrational thinking.
by Gingerminx on March 20th, 2010
Like she said: why should your viewpoint rule?
Morality is not about opinion. Of course, everybody is entitled to an opinion -- so what? That isn't even the issue here. The question is "is it wrong?", and the question presupposes a non-personal way to understand right and wrong.
So your opinion isn't the basis of morality, nor is your feeling of ickyness, nor is your big old scripture books -- an appeal to authority fallacy is one of the first fallacies you'll find on any decent list. So... what DO you have that's substantive? What? Anything? Please say you have more to go on than "I think its unnatural and gross", because people who share your viewpoint are collectively screwing up the lives of millions of others. The cost is high, you damn well better have a good justification.
by HasntBeen on March 20th, 2010
@HasntBeen
The burden of proof is on you
Why is that? There are two sides to the debate.
"Should marriage of same sex couples be legal?"
I have said NO:
You have said Yes:
So how have you come to the conclusion that the onus is on me to proove my opinion, and not on you?
I have stated previously, I beleive that to do so would be wrong, on the grounds that in my view, it would send the wrong message to our children, it is unnatural and immoral.
I have never used the word gross.
And, I have never typed the letters "icky" that is not a word.
Your turn now. What do you have that is substantive? What? Anything? Please say more than it is a "Free Society"
The question is - "is it wrong"?
That is not correct, the question is
"Should marriage of same sex couples be legal?"
Conditioned Childhood
Homosexuals were never mentioned when I was a child. I did not even know homosexuality existed, until I was an adult.
(that is a strange thing to conclude)
I have been in this debate for years
Why? What is your fixation with homosexuality?
Your sense of "ickyness"
That does not merit a reply.
Right to condemn others
You stated that it is a Free Society, that if something is legal, it is permitted. Freedom of speech! that is my right.
Justify making something legal
Is it your opinion that if something is not illegal, then it is permissible to do. If that is the case then it is exceptable
To run Cults, To perform witchcraft, To commit adultery,
To commit homosexual acts, pornography, the list gos on.
On the other side
"The cost is high, you damn well better have good justification.
I do not take kindly to threats. And no one should feel the need to resort to them, in a debate.
HasntBeen mate, it is only a debate, calm down, take a deep breath.
by astimegosby on March 21st, 2010
@Gingerminx
I did address two separate things, I think I am in a better position to know what I did then you are. No doubt your friends on AB will back you up, though.
Why should your's rule
I am stating my view on the subject, thats all. You are stating your view. Where did I say that my view rules? IT IS A DEBATE - TWO SIDES.
Climbing divorce rate
What has the divorce rate got to do with the subject, at hand?
Would I rather children see homosexuals living in sin
Committing Homosexual acts, is a sin in itself. That is my point, we should protect our children from sinful lifestyles.
I am glad you acknowledge that the act of homosexuality is a sin.
Disallowing same gender marriage
Yes, I have stated that I beleive it to be immoral.
What are your reasons why it should be legal?
Same moral point of views
Your point has nothing to do with homsexuality. Slavery, witches, ect. You have concluded that because I do not endorse same gender marriage, I beleive witches should be burned at the stake. That is a ludicrous statement.
If you can not make perceivable comments, I will conclude you have nothing more to add to this debate.
by astimegosby on March 21st, 2010
@Isaac
Alot of your comment is only going over the same old ground, and sentences are mixed up. So I will not bother to reply to all of it.
I do have one question though
Would you please substantiate, how same sex marriage has helped some countries?
by astimegosby on March 21st, 2010
@astimegoeson
You said to HasntBeen: "Is it your opinion that if something is not illegal, then it is permissible to do. If that is the case then it is exceptable
To run Cults, To perform witchcraft, To commit adultery,
To commit homosexual acts, pornography, the list gos on."
Yes, all those things are acceptable and practised. What's wrong with that? Should it be illegal to run cults? Freedom of religion applies to everyone's religion, not just your own, if any.
You said to me: "Alot of your comment is only going over the same old ground" Yes, because you don't bother to properly rebut it, so it's still valid.
"Would you please substantiate, how same sex marriage has helped some countries?"
A peer-reviewed study done in USA - http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349
So remind me, what is so particularly wrong with homosexuality?
by Isaac on March 21st, 2010
Exactly: you're just plain flat-out wrong on this point, @astimegoes by: it is a FUNDAMENTAL principle of free society that EVERYTHING is legal except that which is forbidden for specific reasons. So the burden of proof is ALWAYS on those who wish to outlaw something.
What you're talking about is fascist or old-school Communist: "everything is forbidden except what the government specifically allows". Millions of brave people in the free world have fought and died for this difference in world view... if you don't agree that their sacrifice was well spent, you should move to Communist China for a while and try living your dream philosophy there -- they don't put up with anything they find icky.
So as Isaac said -- the things you've listed are legal. And the reason they're legal is because nobody has been able to make coherent arguments for why they should be outlawed. That's what life is like in a free society: you get to have your opinion, regardless of how confused it is, because nobody can come up with a good enough reason to outlaw it.
Welcome to freedom. Now get with the program and welcome it for others as well.
by HasntBeen on March 21st, 2010
@HasntBeen
Free Society
I already know that everything is legal except that which is forbidden for specific reasons.
I have given my reasoning why I believe "Same sex marriage should not be legal".
But you, either will not or can not give any reason why you believe "Same sex marriage should be legal.
This is a DEBATE, we are NOT petitioning for a government to out law
"Same sex marriage".
If you choose to debate, ( for years) then you should give your
inference.
Old school Communist
Because I am claiming that immoral practices should not be legalized. Because I believe it is our responsibilty, and right, as people of a free society, to stand up for our chidren's right to be given every opportunity to grow up in a moral society. Because of that, you have implied that I endorse Communism, and that I am a socialist.
Some of your previous comments have came across as being quite pretentious, but, this one is down right derogatory.
I should move to Communist China and live my dream philosophy.
That is an arrogant, disrespectful comment. You obviously have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.
I know millions of people fought and died for our freedom. My own father fought in World War two, in
"The Royal Australian Air Force". At seventeen years of age, he was over seas fighting for Australia's freedom. Sadly, the rest of his life was effected by the war and he died at age 55 years, due to war injuries.
My grandfather fought in World War One, in "The Australian Army" for our Freedom. He also died due to war injuries.
So do not preach the right of freedom, to me.
You dare insinuate that I advocate Communism.
As Isaac said -
That's what life is like in a free society: you have the right to state your opinion.
Well, I stated my opinion and because I have, you have implied that I am a socialist! Where did my freedom of speech go? HasntBeen.
Welcome to freedom
I thank my dad, pop and their comrades, every day for the freedom we all enjoy in this beautiful country of ours, Australia!
How about you, getting with the program, HasntBeen.
by astimegosby on March 22nd, 2010
@Isaac
Acceptable practises
Yes, I believe cults and witch craft should be illegal. I believe they are extremely dangerous practises.
Wrong with homosexuality
At the risk of repeating myself, and answering the question again: I believe that to legalize same sex marriage, the government would be endorsing homosexuality, and that it would send a poor message to our children. I believe the act of homsexualality is immoral, sinful and unnatural.
Going over the same old ground
I have lost count of how many times I have stated my reasoning, why I believe, same sex marriage to be wrong. And I have just stated it again. Which bit don't you get?
Substantiate how some sex marriage has helped countries
I asked YOU to answer the question, after all, you made the statement. This is supposed to be a debate, do not refer me to a Web Site. If I wanted that, I would Google it!
So remind me again, why do you support same sex marriage?
by astimegosby on March 22nd, 2010
Spend less time puffing up your ego and defending your dignity, and more time THINKING about the matter clearly. That will serve you much better. I couldn't care less whether you feel your honor has been slighted -- the fact is that your arguments are unresponsive and long-winded to boot.
You have not given a coherent argument for why homosexuality is wrong -- all you've said is that you think it's "unnatural". That has nothing to do with morality, as I've pointed out many times. My conclusion is that you don't actually understand what morality is, and therefore are incapable of realizing that "unnatural" is not a quality that can be used to determine whether or not something is moral.
If homosexuality isn't wrong, then the argument about "sending a message to our children" is utter nonsense. You have to first demonstrate that it's wrong in order to establish that this would be a "wrong message". What you're doing is circular logic:
1- Homosexuality is wrong because it sends the wrong message to our children.
2- The message being sent is wrong because homosexuality is wrong.
- Repeat #1 until bored.
It's about right and wrong, that's all there is to it. What makes homosexuality morally wrong? It's not a complicated question. Stop dancing around and trying to divert attention... just answer the question.
by HasntBeen on March 22nd, 2010
@HasntBeen
Your years of obsession with homosexuality is taking its toll on you. You are in way over your head, and you do not know how to defend your commends.
You just commented that I am dancing around and trying to divert attention...
Sad for you, but you are the one that is diverting from the subject at hand. It is not a compilcated question. Why can't you answer it, subjectively, without always trying to put the other party down?
Right or wrong
That is all there is to it. What makes Same sex marriage right?
I have given my reason as to why I disagree with same sex marriage, several times.
You, on the other hand, avoid giving your answer by dancing around the question.
I do not have to "puff up my ego" I am a humble person, and I live my life modestly. I do not have an ego, at all. I was only defending myself.
In my last comment, I was defending the fact that you implied I supported communism. You know very well that you were out of line to insinuate such a derogatory thing about some one. But, rather then apologize to me, you have decided to try and divert the attention from your moronic comment, and turn it back on me.
That tactic will not work, in this case.
Fortunately, most AB readers are intelligent enough to see through what you are trying to accomplish. I realize that one or two of your friends on AB will back you up, and that is fine by me, but the majority of AB readers will see the mistake you have made.
Like I said, it appears you have gotten in way over your head, and now you do not know what to do.
My advise to you, would be to not make such long winded comments. Just stick to the suject at hand, state your reasoning behind your opinion and do not resort to insulting other people because they have a different opinion to you.
Morality
I understand exactly what morality is, My family and I live a good moral life style.
HasntBeen mate, just try not to be so judgemental of other folks, and you should be fine.
by astimegosby on March 22nd, 2010
@astimegoesby
"Yes, I believe cults and witch craft should be illegal."
You want freedom of religion for yourself but NOT for others? You hypocrite! Freedom of religion (and FROM religion) must apply to EVERYONE or else it will REALLY be dangerous.
"I believe that to legalize same sex marriage, the government would be endorsing homosexuality, and that it would send a poor message to our children. I believe the act of homsexualality is immoral, sinful and unnatural."
You have confused the meaning of "endorsing" and "accepting". Enforcing is "to impose upon a person" (which wouldn't be done because no-one is forcing anyone to have a same-sex marriage) and accepting means "to regard as suitable" (which is just what we want).
What is that message btw? "Homosexuality is ok"? What's wrong with that message?
"I believe the act of homsexualality is immoral, sinful and unnatural"? Ok... but why?! Oh and it's not unnatural if it's observed in nature, and it's observed in nature all the time, not just with humans.
"I asked YOU to answer the question, after all, you made the statement. This is supposed to be a debate, do not refer me to a Web Site. If I wanted that, I would Google it!"
You asked how it helps, I directed you to a study. What's wrong with that? It gets the point I wanted to make.
"So remind me again, why do you support same sex marriage?" Equal rights for all, not just those of one particular sexuality.
by Isaac on March 22nd, 2010
You are a liar, astimegoesby -- I don't know how else to put it. You have not stated your reasons why homosexuality is immoral, other than to say you think it's unnatural and that it sends the wrong message to children. The latter is circular logic, and the former is irrelevant.
That leaves you with nothing. The same thing you started with, only now you've polluted the Internet with thousands of distracting words to avoid noticing that your Emporer has no clothes.
Set. Match. You lost.
by HasntBeen on March 22nd, 2010
And a big "haha" to your comment about being judgmental! That's hilarious, given that you're here precisely to judge all homosexuals. What a jackass!
by HasntBeen on March 22nd, 2010
Guess who's back. Isaac you keep making false statements. You name one Animal that sucks another animals penis. name one animal that sticks his penis in another animals Butt. there is none. you keep showing your stupity. just keep talking so everybody can see what a idiot you are.
by Anonymous on March 22nd, 2010
@ Anonymous. You're wrong. Try this link, I hope it works.
http://www.jessefrancis.com/images_antiwar/02/animal_homosexual_behavior_judah_christian_school_1.jpg
by Anonymous on March 22nd, 2010
@Anonymous
Name one? Only one? I can name dozens. Amazon Dolphin, american Bison, Bonobo, Bottlenose Dolphins, Elephants, Giraffes, Humans, Japanese macaque, Lions, Polecat, Sheep and Spotted Hyena. And those are just the mammals! We also have Lizards, Fruitflies, Penguins, Vultures and many many more.
The prime example is the Bonobo ape in Central Africa, a species witch is fully bisexual, these animals alone prove that homosexual behaviour is a purely natural phenomena.
"just keep talking so everybody can see what a idiot you are" Indeed(!)
by Isaac on March 22nd, 2010
Even if animals do pratice homosexuality, that just tells me that homosexuality is animalistic. that also tells me that homosexuals are nothing more than animals practicing animalistic acts.
by Anonymous on March 22nd, 2010
What do you think humans are? We are animals practicing animal acts.
by Gingerminx on March 22nd, 2010
some animals kill their children, some animals kill just for the sport of it. so killing your own children or murdering someone is Ok? animals do it. that arguement is ridiculous.
by Anonymous on March 22nd, 2010
I didn't use that argument. You used the argument that homosexuality was nothign more than animals practicing animal acts, I merely informed you that we are animals doing the same thing.
by Gingerminx on March 22nd, 2010
"Even if animals do pratice homosexuality, that just tells me that homosexuality is animalistic. that also tells me that homosexuals are nothing more than animals practicing animalistic acts"
- Winner, 2009 "Stupidest Mangling of Logic for an Anonymous User in the Homosexuality Category" award. Congratulations!! Where would you like us to ship your case of goat milk?
Truly, a comment of such breathtaking idiocy deserves it's own entry in the Museum of the Moronic. To whit:
- Humans ARE animals
- Sex IS an "animalistic" behavior, for all living things which engage in it, regardless of gender preference.
- There is no logical way to conclude that homosexual behavior is somehow less "human" just because it's also practiced by animals. Both animals and humans do both kinds... so what? That tells us nothing about the character of homosexual humans.
by HasntBeen on March 22nd, 2010
talk to to Isaac, he brought up the arguement. I did'nt mangle anything, you're simple mind cannot comprehend real logic. Isaac said that homosexuality was natural because animals do it. animals do alot of things that humans would never do. How are you going to get the goat milk from you're house to mine and why are you giving awards that you won away.
by Anonymous on March 22nd, 2010
Anonymous, other animals do do things that humans don't do, how does that negate Issacs statement that it is not unnatural because it is found in nature? You called him stupid and told him to prove and he did so you go off on a tangent.
by Gingerminx on March 22nd, 2010
You really like twisting things around don't you. We are not animals. We are humans. I guess I should expect people with twisted minds to twist things. I never said unnatural,astimegosby said unnatural and besides what is natural for animals(which we are not)is not natural for humans(which we are.) I said animals do a lot of things that humans would never do. I found out that animals do do those thimgs and then my logical comment was then because animals do it does not mean it normal for humans. go ahead and twist, I know you will.
by Anonymous on March 22nd, 2010
Humans are animals, we are from the family of mammals, check out a science book. I never said you said it was unnatural, you called Issac names and demanded he show you proof it was natural in the animal world, of which we are part, and he did. I twisted nothing. Never mind, this is rather a pointless waste of my time. A dolphin would probably give me a more intelligent conversation.
by Gingerminx on March 22nd, 2010
Jeez, Gingerminx... the man has the mind of a squash. I'm gonna wait for Mr. Puffed with Pride to return, that was at least mildly entertaining. Critiquing this guy's comments is like swatting flies that are already half-dead: there's no challenge and you still have to clean up the mess.
by HasntBeen on March 22nd, 2010
Laughs, so true.
by Gingerminx on March 22nd, 2010
@Anonymous
"Even if animals do pratice homosexuality, that just tells me that homosexuality is animalistic. that also tells me that homosexuals are nothing more than animals practicing animalistic acts"
Humans are animals. All humans, even you. Sex is animalistic, weather heterosexual or homosexual. It's intuitively grained into you to act on sexual desires as it is with any animal.
And do you know what else is animalistic? Caring for your young and finding food to live. So "animalistic" doesn't make it a bad thing.
by Isaac on March 23rd, 2010
Keep deceiving yourselves.
by Anonymous on March 23rd, 2010
We're fine. If we were listening to you, we'd be deceived. Fortunately, we have the ability to think for ourselves which keeps us out of your quagmire of confusion.
by HasntBeen on March 23rd, 2010
@HasntBeen
You are a liar astimegosby
I have stated my reasoning for being against Same sex marriage several times. You, on the other hand have not managed to give one astute comment, regarding the question.
Why are you still dancing around the debate, instead of participating in it?
I am not judging homosexuals, I am trying to have an intelligent adult debate, but it is not working out, because you keep posting unintelligent comments, and I would suggest, that would be the reason why we do not have alot more people, joining in on the debate. We need intelligent debaters.
You are the one who is judgemental, if someone disagrees with you, you start calling them names, like a child would. Example:
Because I have a different opinion on the subject, to you, you have called me a liar, a jack ass, and implied that I support communism.
Because you have debated this same topic for so many years, one would have to hypothesize, that you have a fetish for homosexuals. That is why you appear to be way in over your head, and are lost for anything astute to say. That would also, account for your need to try and insult your opponent rather then debate them in an intelligent manner.
Thousands of distracting words
You are now stating that I have polluted the internet with thousands of distracting words. That statement just reinforces what I previously said, that you are way in over your head.
I can not help it if you are only conversant with basic words in the English language.
I know you prefer to type things, like "icky" and ickyness", ect, but they are not even words.
I would have to conclude that, it is that type of foolishness which pollutes the internet, not the English language.
Set. match. you lost
Are you trying to intimidate me, so I will leave the debate? I have not lost. If you feel you are defeated, then you may leave the debate, if you choose to. I intend staying for a while longer, in the hope that some more bright people might join the debate.
HasntBeen mate. At this point, it appears that you are the Emporer!
by astimegosby on March 23rd, 2010
@ Anonymous How? How is anyone here deceiving themselves?
by Anonymous on March 23rd, 2010
You have a real knack for imitation, @astimegoesby. Seems like every time I say something, you manage to repeat it back to me as if you thought of it! That's cute. I have a baby that can do that sometimes, but he's not as verbose as you.
Thank God.
Anyway, I can't see much point in bothering with you. You're lying about my position and what I've said, you're lying about what you've said, as far as I can tell you lack the character to engage in honest discussion. So what's the point?
Bottom line: repeated again, in your face -- as you sit here lying by claiming I've not stated my reasoning:
"Gay marriage should be legal because EVERYTHING should be legal unless there is a sound reason to outlaw it. Since there is no sound reason to outlaw it, it should be legal".
You seem to think that the simplicity of this argument is somehow insufficient -- or rather, you wish it were insufficient because it makes the nonsense you're spouting so obviously dim-witted.
I have pointed out the precise fallacies in your position, you have ignored those points. That makes you dishonest as well. Instead of responding to those challenges, you keep telling me that I haven't expressed my view. That is a lie, and you know it. You are a liar.
A liar cannot engage in intelligent debate, because they're too busy covering their tracks to think about the actual topic.
by HasntBeen on March 23rd, 2010
@Anonymous
You're deceiving yourself more than anyone. I give you clear evidence as to why your points are wrong, and not only do you not acknowledge your previous points as invalid, but move on to different points altogether, or just resort to calling us deceived.
Can you please acknowledge that your previous point are invalid? Or if you're still inclined to prove yourself correct, can you offer any more vaguely-related vaguely-logical rebuttals? I've got plenty of logic and reason to go around.
by Isaac on March 23rd, 2010
@astimegoesby
I know this thread is getting cluttered, but my latest response to you was on the 22nd March.
by Isaac on March 23rd, 2010
The Devil has all of you deceiving into believing a lie. I can only hope that all of you one day will see the truth. I know that none of you believe in God or the Devil but one day you will believe. I know that it would be a waste of time to try and convince you of anything so I won't try anymore to convince you. if any of you are brave enough to read the Bible all the way through you will find that the prophesies in the Bible have come to pass. hopefully at least one of you will come to know the truth. Good Bye and farewell.
by Anonymous on March 23rd, 2010
@Anonymous
Ran out of vaguely logical arguments already? Resorting to the devil so soon? Unfortunately for you I can't accept this reason either because there is no evidence for this entity either. And as for the bible, it's not very good for basing your life on, especially as it is so accepting of meaningless murder and permitted rape (permitted by god, that is).
See you in a few hours.
by Isaac on March 23rd, 2010
@ Anonymous
What is the truth?
What is the lie?
Why don't you want to continue this argument that I and others are supporting with reason rather than faith?
If your God "Oh-so-supported" you on your idea, where is he, your backup?
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?
by Anonymous on March 23rd, 2010
At one time they said the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, and the believers called them heretics and locked them in jail. Later they said the Earth wasn't really created in 6 days, and believers scolded them from the pulpits and claimed the Devil had taken over their minds. When the evidence piled too high, the believers said "well, the days were really millions of years long".
When the believers wanted to keep their slaves, they found the lovely verses in the Bible that talk about how to treat slaves properly. When the believers wanted to oppress their wives and beat their children, they found verses for that.
When they wanted to isolate and hate the gays, they found verses for that.
Pretty much no matter what foulness takes over the believer's hearts, they find a verse to make it cool. And thus it shall always be.
by HasntBeen on March 23rd, 2010
Amen!
by Gingerminx on March 23rd, 2010
And now, we'll all sing hymn #342 from the Hypocrite's Hymnal, "I've Whitewashed My Sins By Screaming About the Sinners".
Lets just do the first 12 verses, I'm sure we don't want to miss the stoning of the heretic.
by HasntBeen on March 23rd, 2010
*Puts on the fake beard and grabs some stones*
by Gingerminx on March 23rd, 2010
@isaac
Thanks for pointing that out to me. Yes, I have not replied to your last comment as yet, I am sorry.
Between my employment and attending university, I sometimes lack spare time. I will put a couple on minutes aside, when I return home tonight, to relpy to your comment.
by astimegosby on March 23rd, 2010
Hey, HasntBeen, Gingerminx, astimegosby, and Isaac, did any of you get messages from anonymous? This guy is laughable!
by Anonymous on March 23rd, 2010
Not me.
by Gingerminx on March 23rd, 2010
@The Editor: Not me.
by Isaac on March 24th, 2010
In my 3.5 years on Answerbag, I've encountered many fools that exceeded even his level of foolery. Once I was "stalked" by a guy who claimed he was in prison and was going to kill me when he got out -- I disagreed with his views about the economy or something, I don't recall.
I have received unsolicited mail from about 60 AB users over that time, and a few were 'anonymous'. So could be... :)
Anyway, what he lacks in clarity of mind is made up in stubborn persistence, so I'm sure there's a place in the wacky ecosystem of human mutations for that.
by HasntBeen on March 24th, 2010
@Isaac
Sorry, I forgot what your comment was, I just read it again.
Hypocrite
Nice, name calling seems to be what you do, but then, you are still in school, I will make an allowance for you, because you are so young.
Actually, I do not accept freedom of every religion. As a decent, responsible person, I can not accept cults, that hold children against their will, abuse and brain wash them. Nor, can I accept witchcraft, because it is satanism.
The message Same sex marriage would send to children.
I know the different meanings of Endorse and Accept.
If same sex marriage is made legal, children will be hoodwinked into beleiving that it is right. That would be an atrocious and deceptive message to send our children. It would be a totally irresponsible government who legalized same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage has helped some countries
It is obvious, you can not explain that comment you posted.
I will let you go to do your homework, now.
by astimegosby on March 24th, 2010
@HasntBeen
No one in interested in your life story. Boring!
by astimegosby on March 24th, 2010
@HasntBeen
Knack for imitation
You make such intelligent statements, I just can not resist copying them. Maybe you could sue me for plagiarism! I mean, The Emporer has no clothes! How do you do it? Yes, I would want everyone to think I thought of it. We are all so impressed by your unique style. lol
Liar
You have stated that I have lied about what you have commented and also lied about what I have commented. Your comments are becoming more foolish with every post.
Try hard, to think this out, I will state it as basiclly as I can, and type slowly for you, so you might be able to understand it.
It is impossible for me to lie about what you or I have posted. HELLO, it is all here for everyone to read!
How can I cover my tracks, with every comment I have made, clearly there for everyone to read. Sadly, you have lost the plot.
Anyway, I can't see any point in bothering with you any longer!
Yessssss! That is great, you have admitted defeat! I have defeated the great legend in his own mind.
Everyone knows that you are only a wind bag of insulting words. That is the only way you can hide your stupidity.
You know me
we have met before
your insulting words
I would read no more
I am smiling behind
my pretty face
do you know now?
can you guess?
Thats right
Don't mess
with
Eliza Beth
Post what you will in your reply, but know I will not be back to read it. You are obviously not very bright, but that isn't a crime!
Game Match Over
Bye bye, Hasbeen.
by astimegosby on March 24th, 2010
@astimegoesby
Calling you a hypocrite isn't an opinion of mine, it's a fact since a hypocrite is "a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess". Now since you must belief in freedom of religion for your own religion, but NOT freedom of religion for certain other religions, this makes you a hypocrite. Name-calling is justified if you, by fact, are the thing I'm calling you.
"If same sex marriage is made legal, children will be hoodwinked into beleiving that it is right. That would be an atrocious and deceptive message to send our children. It would be a totally irresponsible government who legalized same sex marriage."
So the message is "Homosexuality is ok", which you seem to think is a bad message. I don't understand why it's a bad message. What is wrong with homosexuality?
by Isaac on March 24th, 2010
What a bunch of cowards, anyone who doesn't agree you, you attack. just by the insults and attacks you have directed at @asthetimegoesby who just tried to debate with you shows that you have no morals and just proves thats your side is wrong. I have never encountered a more evil bunch. thanks for helping us to prove you all are wrong. anybody with common sense knows why homosexuality is wrong. obviously none of you have common sense.
by Anonymous on March 24th, 2010
@Anonymous
I haven't attacked anyone. I have only reasoned with them, but because reason is hazardous to your belief system, it's easy for you to get the two confused. Perhaps you are the one who is attacking, and by extension (by your logic) wrong. Allow me to quote you:
December 15th: "You and people like you who don't think homosexuality is sick, you are the sicko's."
March 16th: "I'm sure to you're deviant perverted mind that's a terrible reason. what a surprise."
March 17th: "I can't help but laugh at you, you're mind is so twisted. learn the English language and stop twisting words to fit you're twisted way of thinking."
March 22nd: "you keep showing your stupity. just keep talking so everybody can see what a idiot you are."
March 22nd: "you're simple mind cannot comprehend real logic"
2 Hours ago: "I have never encountered a more evil bunch"
And that's just by a quick scan through of this thread. So think about what you type before you type it, it just might be self-contradictory to your point. Also stop trying to insult us, you're just making yourself (and your religion) look bad.
by Isaac on March 24th, 2010
@ Anonymous
Well! My favorite victim is back!
All I have to say is, what common sense is there that homosexuality is wrong? Why is it wrong? Can you and your "morals" answer that?
by Anonymous on March 25th, 2010
That question, or some form of it, has been asked about 30 times on this thread. None of the opponents of gay marriage have formulated anything more substantial than "the Bible says" or "it's unnatural". I am fairly confident that we could argue until Noah's ark is discovered and nothing more substantial would ever be suggested. What could it be? There's no logical connection between homosexuality and morality, there's no way to get from point A to point B on that road. So all that anyone can do, no matter how good a debater they might be, is keep trying to fill the air with noise or wear people down or wave their hands a lot trying to cover up the lack of connection in the logic.
That's the story of this thread. It's the story of all threads on this topic. The only thing that changes is the names of the participants.
by HasntBeen on March 25th, 2010
Yes, and I think marriage has been around a little longer than religion.
So, basically, I can't win this argument. It's like going up against a donkey: Stubborn jackass who doesn't quit even though it isn't correct.
by Anonymous on March 25th, 2010
Don't be so hard on yourself Editor. You keep refering to christianity as a religion. God has been around forever so your comment is invalid. you can't win the arguement because you are wrong. you don't decide what morality, God does. You could tell me you have a brother or sister. Just because I have never met them does not mean you don't have a brother or sister. even though you have never met God that does not mean He doesn't exist. you will meet Him one day believe me, all of you will.
by Anonymous on March 25th, 2010
Does it make you feel less powerless to threaten everyone that your Big Invisible Friend is going to beat us all up for not respecting you?
by HasntBeen on March 25th, 2010
Christianity is a religion, and he can prove he has a brother or sister by introducing you to them, the same can not be said of god. Morals were around long before your god was invented.
by Gingerminx on March 25th, 2010
God was not invented. God loves you and if He didn't you would have been dead long ago. God made morals, not you,GOD. I would love to introduce you to God, but you have no interest in meeting God, but believe me you will tremble at His feet begging for forgiveness but by then it will be too late. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that He is Lord. That includes you. Read the Bible if you dare, all the way through. I've seen things that you have never seen, right in my church. Tumors disappearing right before my eyes, skin rashes healed right before my eyes. so believe it or not God exists. one day you will see.
by Anonymous on March 26th, 2010
@Anonymous
"I would love to introduce you to God, but you have no interest in meeting God"
Why wouldn't we? I'd love to met this god. He/she has a lot to explain for.
"Tumors disappearing right before my eyes, skin rashes healed right before my eyes."
That is a testable claim. Whenever religion makes a testable claim it always fails, but if you're so certain that this is the real deal, then go to the hospital and start saving lives. Isn't that what jesus would do?
by Isaac on March 26th, 2010
I have read the bible right through, in several different versions many times over. Ever heard of mass hysteria? I agree with Isaac.
by Gingerminx on March 26th, 2010
Anonymous, you're wrong about the source of morality, God did not invent it. Morality refers to "making choices which respect the interconnectedness of life". Because we are human and can feel pain and suffering, and because life is based in cause-and-effect, this is a meaningful term. It's much like the value of pi: it's an inherent property of a circle, nobody "created" it. Morality is an inherent property of human life, it comes with the conditions that make us human.
That you don't understand this, and imagine that an all-powerful invisible being must have *created* morality indicates a complete lack of clarity about morality in general. If God were to slaughter a group of innocent children, he would be guilty of an immoral act -- he can't invent his own kind of morality which bypasses the principles that are inherent in it. Therefore God cannot possibly be the source of morality. If he existed, that is, which is dubious in the first place.
by HasntBeen on March 26th, 2010
@ Anonymous
Then prove God exists.
by Anonymous on March 26th, 2010
Bye everybody, this time I am really am making my last statement because I will no longer have internet. You all keep saying prove God exists. It is not my job to prove God exists, its just to tell you about Jesus. Jesus loves you and I will be praying for you, even if you don't believe He ever existed. I pray that you find out about Him and will give your hearts to Him. Bye Bye.
by Anonymous on March 26th, 2010
@Anonymous
So your leaving instead of answering our queries? Typical christian, when the debate gets tough and they have no more non-arguments left, they disappear.
by Isaac on March 26th, 2010
Any time a windbag loses Internet connectivity, a dead puppy comes back to life.
by HasntBeen on March 26th, 2010
@Anonymous
I don't care for what I don't know, I care for what I know now.
by Anonymous on March 29th, 2010
I do not hate gays. I believe, like Elton John, that they should have civil unions, with rights mostly equal to marriage, but I do not agree with the term marriage being used. And like I said, Elton John agreed with me.
And here's why. In places where marriage has been redefined, gay couples have sued churches for discrimination because they were observing their religious beliefs. I believe that there are way more Christians then there are gays, so what about their rights? Should gays receive special treatment because they are a minority? That does not seem fair to me,and I think that gays who want marriage to be redefined are being selfish. Stop complaining about your rights and try to think about everyone elses.
by WishUponAStar on March 30th, 2010
WishUponAStar, how do gays want marriage redefined? The ones I have heard talkign about it don't, they just want to be allowed to marry like anyone else. As to churches, frankly I do not beleive they should have to perform marriages if they don't want to, and I don't see anyone asking them to. Marriage can be performed by other officials. I got married in a country club to my husband, not a gay marriage but not a religious one either. As to, "Should gays receive special treatment because they are a minority?", no, they shouldn't, and I don't see them asking for that, only to receive the same rights as everyone else, that is, to be allowed to get married.
by Gingerminx on March 30th, 2010
when I posted in the top ten places here, I expected to talk to different peoplle on each post, lol. Directs you to one of my other answers here.
by WishUponAStar on March 30th, 2010
when I posted in the top ten places here, I expected to talk to different peoplle on each post, lol. Directs you to one of my other answers here.
by WishUponAStar on March 30th, 2010
You posted on all the threads I was a part of with the same answer.
by Gingerminx on March 31st, 2010
lol, sorry, I just got bored of responding to the same post, lol. I posted that way intentding to get into 10 different conversations and debating others. You know? And not all of them at once, lol.
by WishUponAStar on March 31st, 2010
We're defending victims of discrimination. That takes a certain persistence and commitment if you're going to take it seriously.
You should meet some gay couples, spend some time with them, etc. One of the main reasons the church is able to keep up its anti-gay-rights oppression is that the people in the church keep their distance from the people they're oppressing: by not really getting to know them as people, it's easier to think of them in abstract and theoretical terms... "those people out there, they're not like us and they're a problem".
Ironically, this is almost the exact opposite of the spirit of Jesus' teachings, which was all about universal love and inclusion. A REAL Christian would not be opposing gay rights, they would be welcoming gays into the congregation and ministering to their spiritual needs. So the folks who are going on about this in the church are not real Christians, IMHO. They're hypocrites and bigots.
by HasntBeen on March 31st, 2010
I have a gay friend where I used to live, but we didn't keep in touch after I moved away, so I'm not a bigot. Gays should have rights similar to marriage, as far as government goes, as long as their rights don't infringe on the rights of others. From a theological standpoint, most Christians believe they should love gays, but should not endorse the behavior. You're hung up on calling them bigots and not seeing that it has nothing to do with bigotry, just not endorsing an action that is wrong. Remember what God did to the City of Sodom, from which comes the word Sodomy? Jesus teaches us to love the sinner, not the sin. I was not going to put it so bluntly, but you forced my hand by saying what a 'REAL' Christian should believe.
by WishUponAStar on March 31st, 2010
WishUponAStar, I respect your right to your beliefs, I just don't think your beliefs should make the laws or rule others lives. Marriage can be carried out by an official almost anywhere these days, it does not have to be in churches. Marriage is not a religious rite, but a human right.
by Gingerminx on March 31st, 2010
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
First Amendment. Government has no right to say what a Church can and cannot believe, and cannot punish a church for following their beliefs. The problem is, the government and so many people nowadays forget that. Like that New Jersey case. The ruling was a violation of the First Amendment, but liberals don't care. Do you care?
by WishUponAStar on March 31st, 2010