What are the connections, if any, between heavy metal music and suicidal thoughts?

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• Thanks GreenFreak for your advice.

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  by keithold is a prodigal bagger on August 4th, 2008

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• Ha ha. Awesome.

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• Thanks Diane. What a great concept.

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  by keithold is a prodigal bagger on August 4th, 2008

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• Thanks technios. Hopefully they are OK.

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  by keithold is a prodigal bagger on August 4th, 2008

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• It is often the case SASSYWI.

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  by keithold is a prodigal bagger on August 4th, 2008

• Such confusion>

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  by SASSYWI-Q-Sassia-Jetpacking with NASCAR on August 4th, 2008

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• hm.. some of it is very beautiful you know.
  It's a bit like red wine, really. You have to get used to it before being able to enjoy it, but then it's much better than all the sweet crap on the market

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  by GreenFreak on August 4th, 2008

• Thanks Sheriff. So no metal clips when you become a genius.

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  by keithold is a prodigal bagger on August 4th, 2008

• I think the only one truly qualified to answer your question Keithold is Ed the Headbanger, I believe he is an authority on this classification of music.

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  by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on August 5th, 2008

• i feel the same way about certain types of music, like country. but i don't call it "crappy". i can see and appreciate the talent it takes to play it. lighten up...

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  by artguy on September 20th, 2008

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• What do you know about Satanic names in other languages?

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• Thanks Maestrodamus.

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  by keithold is a prodigal bagger on August 4th, 2008

• I was turning the dial and listened to one song, and either the band or the song was in spanish, and I know it mentioned Satan. It was a while back, but I know what I heard.

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  by Dmitri on August 4th, 2008

• Metal songs mention Satan all the time, and in English too. But like, you can't take it seriously. :/
  If I did I guess I'd be dead a long time ago lol.

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• By not taking it seriously, you are taking it apathetically. That is dangerous. Satan and his angels want to lull us into a false sense of security. We should never joke about things, and even though I say this, it is far too often caused many to do just that to spite it all.

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  by Dmitri on August 4th, 2008

• Keithold asked about heavy metal songs. Most heavy metal songs are about society or mental problems, not satanism. For example, "Run to the Hill" by Iron Maiden, which is about the white man's slaughter of the native americans, or "One" by Metallica which is about soldier who steps on a land mine, rendering him blind, deaf, mute and chained to a bed. The song is about how he begs to be killed. You could say that it's a metaphor for depression and suicide, and so there could be a connection, but you should have to be very weak in mind to let that affect you.
  Anyway, my point is just, far from all heavy metal songs are about satanic stuff

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  by GreenFreak on August 4th, 2008

• I concede that to you, Greenfreak. However, I don't exactly want to prove you wrong either. :)

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  by Dmitri on August 4th, 2008

• I'm not taking it apathetically. I love Metal. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Ministry and Cradle of Filth are vessels to soul perdition? If I told you that most of the Summons in Final Fantasy were based off of gods and devils of other cultures (Ifrit, Diablo, Hades or Leviathan, who was found in the Bible but has been adopted by Szandor's modern Satanism as symbolism for the ''abyss''.) would you stop playing it?
  And Greenfreak has a very good point, but you'd know that if you didn't stick to the biggest generalization I've ever seen. :p

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• well Cradle of Filth is something special..but actually I dont think I've ever seen Satan or Lucifer mentioned in a single of their songs.. Still, even if they did, I still think it doesnt matter. It's only music, after all
  (btw, I LOOOOVE CoF)

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  by GreenFreak on August 4th, 2008

• I realize that point, Symbeline. However, the lyrics have more of a profound impact on you than summoning a beast on a video game. You can summon them all day long and never get anything satanic out of it. Lyrics, though not explicitly satanic, are often obscure enough to let you get that idea. I know, though I stick to it for I don't want to even dabble in satanism.

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  by Dmitri on August 4th, 2008

• CoF owns. :) Well they have a song called Satanic Mantra, plus the entire Midian album is dedicated to uh, Midian. Which basically is a sorta devil I guess. But nope, not wanting to kill myself yet and I've been listening to them for years.
  In fact, if I die, I won't be able to hear them anymore and that would blow.

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• hm.. sorry to sound harsh, but if you let lyrics affect you in any way, you're in a very very weak state of mind and should probably reconsider a thing or two in your life. It's just entertainment after all

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  by GreenFreak on August 4th, 2008

• Yeah but Maestro, the way you seem to reason with this sorta stuff is you just say whatever on the spot. :/ If you didn't play FF but knew that I did you would probably completely tell me otherwise than you just did. :/ I'd like to think not, though.

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• you make a very good point Symbeline. It's never truly bad if you're doing it yourself..
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  Damn, you made me listen to it, been ages since last time I listened to that album...
  "Arch angel, dark angel, lend me thy light, through death's veil 'till we have heaven in sight"

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  by GreenFreak on August 4th, 2008

• Ha ha it's such a famous CoF moment. :) For some reason, I don't know why but the way that song sounds it conjures an image of a forest during fall full of coloured leaves on the ground. :/ That's the first thing that came in my head when I first heard it.

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• It is not about conscious influence but the subconscious. You are being affected and jaded even though you may not know it. I am just so sorry I made this all come out. I just want everyone to be pure . . .

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  by Dmitri on August 4th, 2008

• Whatever the case, I don't think you deserve the downrate. *Fixes.* I still completely disagree though, and would love to know how you learned all that stuff about the subconscious and all, and its link to suicidal tendencies via music. I mean why have I not killed myself yet?

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• dude.. I dont start to sacrifice small animals and feel like raping virgins by listening to it, so I really don't care about implications it might have on something I know doesn't exist

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  by GreenFreak on August 4th, 2008

• I just know that the subconscious is affected more than you know, and just because we think one way consciously, doesn't mean that it mirrors our subconscious. I never said that it could push you over the edge, but it does affect you more than we realize. I believe that it is our subconscious that allows us to be delueded with believing in so many religions and in psychics. You can delude yourself so much that you think you are in control but aren't. Satanism is subtle, for the serpent didn't tell eve to take the fruit, but was VERY subtle. Corruption is subtle.

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  by Dmitri on August 4th, 2008

• erm.. David.. listen.. mentioning ANYTHING from the bible is not a valid argument to me.. you will never convince me about anything that way.
  To me, the Bible hold as much relevance and guidance as Winnie the Pooh

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  by GreenFreak on August 4th, 2008

• Why the hell do we have a subconscious then?
  And I'm quite aware that our subconscious is affected more than we realize, and that IT affects US, but I don't think it goes much further than brain chemicals and conditioning from either how you were raised or what kinda life you have.
  I mean it wouldn't be a sin if we didn't know what was going on. You have to be aware of committing sin for it to be defined as such, and you have to feel anxious, worried and hesitant for temptation to take place. :/ Otherwise it's brainwashing, not temptation, and I'd like to think that your God would provide us with the tools needed to fight the Devil, instead of leaving us to blindly dismiss everything around us.
  And how do you know that your subconscious hasn't deluded you into following the wrong religion?

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  by Symbeline on August 4th, 2008

• Ok. I will agree to stop generalizing so much if you agree to be a little less clos eminded about the Bible. :) Sin is conscious. I know that. I just think that the subconscious might lay the ground work for the conscious decisions. I hate religions. Religion is but a diabolical maze. When I hit ROCK BOTTOM, it wasn't religion that brought me out of it or Christianity, but Christ alone. I broke down, completely and utterly, and he calmed my fears and gave me peace, and then joy.

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  by Dmitri on August 4th, 2008

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