I don't believe in either, so I just have fun with the idea of them "existing". Satan has great music!

You’re giving way too much credit to God. God didn’t plan Satan’s actions any more than your parents planned your actions. Satan’s just a little brat that got ticked off because God didn’t accept his (Satan’s) plan instead of His (God’s) own, then proved his point by running away from home. Now he’s miserable, but instead of just bucking up, going back to Father, and asking for forgiveness (if he even has that ability, any more), he’s trying to take as many of us down with him as he can.

Can you all really be so foolish? God created the heavens and the earth not out of existing matter, because where did that come from? No, he is called the Creator for a reason-- he CREATED EVERYTHING. You also say that nobody plan's your actions, and that God has no influence or knowledge of what someone is going to do, but that just isn't true. God is Omniscient (in case anyone here doesn't know, it means all-knowing), so therefore he knows ALL THINGS. He planned everything before the foundation of the world, nothing can escape him. You do not see this because He does not force you what to do- that's free will. What you choose to do IS YOUR CHOICE, however God ALREADY KNOWS what that choice will be. As for 'God's plan failing', did you ever even stop to think that maybe it's all God's plan? Yes, even the pain and suffering is a part of God's plan. I can't tell you why, because I'm not God. I can't name anyone who knows, either, because it's impossible. God is infinetly complex, therefore it isn't possible to understand God. In addition, all mankind is fallen, which puts us even farther away from Him. Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," God is also perfect, flawless. Otherwise, how could he be God? He cannot sin, nor can he make mistakes, because one is all-knowing is not able to make mistakes. Think about that: If you knew all things and then did something, knowing that something that would be seen as bad and wrong would happen due to or in relation to it, could you really say it was a mistake, knowing the outcome before you even did it? As I said before, it can't make sense to us, but that doesn't mean it's a mistake. Plus, we cannot forget when adressing this that God has EVERYTHING planned! We can't make any sort of call, because we cannot see the entire picture. I have to say most people are, in fact, NOT God's children. In fact, the Bible states that unless you've received Christ as your personal saviour, you are actually a child of the world; a child of satan. You only say that because you believe in the false teaching that God makes spirit babies with his spirit wives on some other planet, which leads you to also believe that if you do enough 'good works' that you will be given that same opportunity. "For ALL have sinned and fall short..." "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh to the Father but by me." John 14:6 That means no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you do, you will never do enough to be saved. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." -Ephesians 2:8-9 As for satan, he did not leave heaven, he was cast out. He believed that he was better and more beautiful than God, and wanted the glory for himself. THAT'S why he rebelled: he wanted to become God. Satan was actually the head of the angels-did any of you know that? He lead all of the others in worship to God, before he became jealous and was cast out. You were right, otter, he is trying to take as many with him as he can (he in this case being satan), but he cannot be forgiven by God, for he was eternally cast out of heaven. "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Revelation 12:7-9 I would like to adress the statement that Otter made about 'God wants all people to be happy'. I cannot agree. If this is true, then why do so many die unhappy? He has given believers the promise of everlating life in him, and that all non-believers will spend eternity in hell. He has given us the assurance that in Him we can have true peace and joy, and that once we accept Him into our hearts, He will never leave nor forsake us. NOWHERE in the Bible does He promise earthly riches and good fortune, nor does he say that it will be an easy, fun life. That isn't to say you won't ever be heppy, it's only to say that it will not be a always-relaxed, perfect-neighborhood, nothing-never-goes-wrong life. It will likely be more challenging than ever before, but 'when the Lord is for you, who can stand against you?' You say that the purpose of life is incredibly simple, and I agree. However, it is not what you think, nor is it for the reason that you likely believe. The purpose of life for born-again believers is to live our lives for God, doing all things to glorify Him, and we do that not for our own glory, but for His and His alone, as stated above. I say these things so that you all would come to the Lord, rather than spend eternity in Hell. Despite what you all hear and believe, there is NO PARTY IN HELL. It is a place of torment; of pain and the ETERNAL SEPERATION FROM GOD. There are no second chances-- once you die, you're dead. It's as simple as that. That's why you NEED to accept The Lord God into your heart, and you need to do it NOW. Why is that? What makes you think that you are supposed to live past the time you read this? You know as well as I do that you could die at ANY time, no matter where you are, no matter what you're doing, no matter how much you've done. You have that chance right here, right now. Just pray to him; confess to Him that you're a sinner, believe in your Jesus Christ died for your sins, that you should spend eternity with him in heaven. You may be the most vile person in the world, but if you pray that to God, the one, living and True God, and if you truly believe it and want to turn from your sins, you can become a child of God. That's all you have to do! Admit you're a sinner, believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that he died for your sins, and you will be saved. I pray scincerly that all who read this would come to the Lord who have not already. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whosoever should believe on him should not perish but have everlasting life,” John 3:16. ( we are all “whosoevers!”)

Not into the religious movement so no argument..but..not even a satanist would believe that one

Satan is a pawn. He can do nothing without God.