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by luckyjeans on September 25th, 2006
Yes. For me, a person is a person at conception - meaning as soon as that sperm and that egg are connected, that is a living human being.
Many people don't agree with this idea - perhaps even most people. The question is where do you draw the line. Is the baby a person when it forms a brain? When it's mother is in her third trimester? These questions can never be answered, so I believe it's best to draw the line as early as possible.
AntigoneRising: Even if you define a fetus as a person, that doesn't solve how to reconcile conflicts of the rights of the fetus (person) with the mother (person who also has rights).
The question was if abortion was murder. I said that yes, it is. I chose to simply answer the question and not go too deeply into the issue, partly because I dislike people who say too much of their opinion, and partly because I still haven't formed opinions on some of it.
by AntigoneRising on October 5th, 2006
Are you asking about abortion in general, or elective abortion? For instance, I had a miscarriage. The medical term for this is "spontaneous abortion." The pregnancy was aborted and terminated.
In any case, I do not believe that it is. Certainly not in the case of a spontaneous abortion.
Aside from whether or not abortion is murder, we have to ask quite a lot of other questions to get to any real understanding of elective abortion in society. Abortion is a complex social issue with a history dating back thousands of years. (My questions address the United States, as I am a member of that society.)
What happens if we scale back government benefits for single mothers and their children, yet require women to give birth?
Is it ethical to require a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, and incur the expense (not just financial expense, but the permanent changes to her body, the reaction of society, the pain and discomfort) against her will? If you are forcing her to be pregnant and give birth, does that come with an equal responsibility to share in the total cost (which, again, is not entirely financial) of that requirement? Is it Constitutional to deprive a woman of autonomy over her body without due process of law?
Why do women have abortions in the first place? How can those underlying problems be solved? Simply outlawing elective abortion will not solve those underlying social issues.
Will outlawing elective abortion stop it? History tells us that the answer to this question is no. It simply forces it underground to illegal practices (such as the family who recently forced a pregnant teenage girl to drink turpentine...an act that was already illegal...) that are unsafe. (This is one of the reasons people supported legalizing it in the first place.)
What about rape/incest victims? Are we now saying that they had to be forced to have sex and now we are going to further victimize them by forcing them to give birth to the child of their attacker?
What about the health of the mother? Does she not have equal rights to life? If the pregnancy is, purposely or not, threatening her life, does she not have a right to defend her life and health by ending that pregnancy?
Is it ethical or Constitutional to require a woman to do something with her body that is not required of a man?
Does defining a fetus as a live person mean that a woman has the obligation of maintaining that live person inside her own body against her will? I do not think that it does. I think this argument skips a few steps.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/abortionuslegal/a/abortion.htm
by headspace on November 18th, 2006
We've all had an opinion here, all had our say, because we have not been aborted. Unfortionately no fetus had their say.
by Darkling on September 25th, 2006
No, I don't think it's murder. I don't think that potential is enough to make it a person. It is nothing more than a glob of cells.
The line does have to be drawn somewhere, though. I believe that if a baby can survive outside the mother, it has achieved personhood.
The problem is, although everyone is entitled to their own opinion, some feel the need to push personal feelings on others. You asked for opinions and that is just what I gave you. Now you have to decide for yourself what you believe and what you can live with. No one can answer that but you.
by lady fuschia on September 26th, 2006
erm...
I struggle with this. I don't really think its quite on the same level as actual murder (For example- if a mother's life were at risk from carrying a child, I think forcing her to carry it is far closer to murder than allowing an abortion. Forcing a young girl who's been raped to give birth to the child of her own father I think also amounts to a far greater crime than abortion).
But that's not to say I feel comfortable about it either. I think society has become very flippant about the issue- women get pregnant at inconvenient moments and have a "oh never mind, I'll just get an abortion" attitude.
I think its a highly unpleasant thing that I'd really rather didn't happen- but there are situations where its the lesser of two evils.
by Anonymous on November 6th, 2006
Yes, abortion is murder. It is the killing of a living human being and is therefore murder.
by Joe1976 on September 26th, 2006
Yes, Abortion is murder.
by Anonymous on October 28th, 2006
No I don't. In my opinion, life begins at birth. After all, we celebrate our BIRTHdays not our CONCEPTIONdays. You count how old you are from the day you were born, not the day you were conceived.
Although I don't think abortion is something to be taken lightly, I am strongly pro choice.
by babydoll9205 on September 25th, 2006
yes it is murder.. I agree with the comment before me..
by smsedmc on November 20th, 2006
(slightly edited on April 3rd, 2008)
Yes of course abortion is murder. I am the father of three boys and a girl; so I have been through the process enough to see first hand evidence.
While the baby is in the womb the baby will show definete signs of emotion and thought process (such as dancing to music (my second son really liked jazz music). The baby also has moodiness (when something invades it space such as my arm resting on my wife's stomach. For example, my first son kicked my arm so hard it knocked my arm about an inch off of my wife's stomach). They will also play, one of my son's would chase the sonogram deal around the stomach and kick it. We saw my third son crying in the sonogram, and then immediately begin to such his thumb to calm himself down.
The heart is beating, pushing blood through the veins. The baby is digesting food through the umbilical cord. By definition a living being is anything that is "capable of vital functions." which these most certainly are. The unborn baby is definetely a living organism.
When the science of logic is applied, the support is overwhelming. Since it is a human outside of the womb, it would by all use of logic be one inside of it as well.
Biology is also an overwhelming support. Since there is no genetic change in the DNA at any point in the pregnancy (or at delivery), then the unborn baby must be considered human at all times after conception.
Now then, since murder is the premeditated choice to kill another human, it must be concluded that the volitional and premeditated decision involved in abortion to kill the unborn baby is in fact murder.
by bignose on September 25th, 2006
-----you're damned right it is----
by Anonymous on September 25th, 2006
Yes, Have you seen pictures of a baby fetus?
by my_litch91 on November 20th, 2006
it most certainly is murder.
by Anonymous on September 25th, 2006
It is nothing less than the killing of an innocent child, which is about the worst murder one can commit.
by Anonymous on November 28th, 2006
Yes.
by hemiman on November 18th, 2006
YES!
by flattdogg on November 25th, 2006
yes i think abortion is murder!!! think about this, whould you kill you child that is 15 minutes old? i think not! so why kill a baby that is in the womb? if you dont want a baby,dont get pregnant!!!!
by FreshApples on November 21st, 2006
yeah, yur killing the baby, any kill is murder. Homicide=Murder; Suicide=Murder;Abortion=Murder.
It's as simple as that
by The Chief on July 21st, 2008
Murder is the intentional taking of a human life under circumstances not amounting to matters of self defense or accident.
In that light, induced abortion is murder, considering the fetus is NOT acting as an intentionally malicious agent against the mother.
There are times where pregnancy may seriously endanger the mother's life, like ectopic pregnancy. This would be a situation where induced abortion would actually save the mother's life.
Abortions for other reasons, such as possible genetic defects or unwanted pregnancy or rape or incest are murder.
Yes, I said rape and incest. Rape is a violent and despicable crime, and incest no less horrifying in its own way. But an abortion under these circumstances still amounts to murder, and of what value is committing another act of atrocity? Especially against an innocent child who has NO choice in matters of conception?
For those who would say "a fetus is NOT a human being until birth" I would like them to answer this: Just what IS it, then? A puppy? A kangaroo? A mouse? And if it IS such a creature, then how does the magical act of passing through the birth canal (or C-Section) transform this creature into a human being?
Perhaps the WORST type of abortion is the one made for matters of convenience. Just don't want the responsibility of birthing and raising a child. Well, part of this responsibility is understanding that ANY act of sexual intercourse MAY result in a pregnancy; therefore if you are NOT ready to become a parent, you are NOT ready to engage in sexually promiscous activities (with or without birth control).
My personal opinion is that if intentionally killing an innocent, unborn child is acceptable for matters of convenience (legally or morally), then intentionally killing any child or adult should ALSO be acceptable for matters of convenience.
In fact, I know SEVERAL people that I personally think driving a pair of medical scizzers into the base of their skull and violently stirring their brains into puree as an act of retroactive abortion would be deserved.
by IMaNoNyMouStOo on December 2nd, 2006
YEp!
by Ezzy on November 20th, 2006
Yes I do....Unless the mother is danger or some sort....But still....All I see on these question is most people saying that it isn't murder but what do you call it when you take a life away from something that was living? it's murder even though people seemed to have make it look as if it isn't
by singwell-is off researching a lot on October 5th, 2008
It's murder: you can make yourself believe otherwise by calling the child a "foetus";you can ignore the state of its development, the fact that it can feel pain and discomfort, but it is still a child.
Look at these images of a 12 weeks developement child. Look at the last one, as it yawns.
Then imagine that children this young are killed.
Then imagine further, that children even older and more developed are killed.
My first baby, at 14 weeks gestation, woke up, decided she didn't like the ultrasound, threw a tantrum, then put her thumb in her mouth. Tell me that is not a CHILD.
by princessemmabelle on December 10th, 2006
I am pro life.
by Wendora on December 2nd, 2006
I would not have an abortion and I would not encourage anyone else to have an abortion. Can you read between the lines on this?
by __ski__ on July 31st, 2008
YES i hate the way people say its not a baby until a certIn time until it forms but it is even at my 10th week scan i saw lil arms and feet and taut well if some told me its ok 2 abort this lil fella i wuda never been the same i think its ok if the baby is going to be very ill or the mum is veyr younge or cannot control herself condoms are made for a reson and easy to get so no1 has an excuse
by haha12 on July 27th, 2008
Yes it is. It is a life at the time of conception.
by Yeahwell... on August 7th, 2007
Yes. Go ahead and downrate me, I don't care.
by Sunblynd 5.0 on September 27th, 2006
An abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in, or caused by, its death. This can occur spontaneously as a miscarriage, or be artificially induced through chemical, surgical or other means. Commonly, "abortion" refers to an induced procedure at any point in the pregnancy; medically, it is defined as a miscarriage or induced termination before twenty weeks gestation, which is considered NON-VIABLE
Viability means in general "capacity for survival" and is more specifically used to mean a capacity for living, developing, or germinating under favorable conditions. Other examples:
In the context of pregnancy, viability refers to either:
an early stage pregnancy that has a chance of reaching full-term and a live birth (as opposed to, for example, an ectopic pregnancy); or
the shortest length of pregnancy after which a child born prematurely has a chance of survival. Generally, this ranges from 20-27 weeks.
In an environmental conservation context, viability indicates the ability of a conservation target to persist for many generations or over long time periods.
In the context of experimental biology, viability of cells and tissues refers to the extent to which those cells and tissues are living.
In the context of natural selection, the fraction of individuals that survive to a given age.
In the context of economic development, viability indicates the ability of benefits to cover costs in development projects..
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!
George Carlin also has an interesting take on abortion, refer to his album "You Are All Diseased".
by DreAnna on December 8th, 2008
I cannot agree with abortion..There are about 150 types of birth control that are funded by taxpayers and provided to those who can't afford it for no cost..there is no reason for so many unwanted pregnancies in this day and age. Prevent a pregnancy, dont kill one. :)
by advracer on October 5th, 2008
That abortion is murder. Some don't believe this, some do. I personally think that it is wrong to kill an unborn child.
by Vampyre Bat on February 6th, 2008
To me it is. I understand that others feel differently. My wife is pregnant and at 7 weeks from our date of conception we say a sonogram with the baby's heartbeat. To me that is proof there is life independent of that of mine or my wife's. I don't care whether it can live outside her body or not. When I was a child I used to fish on my Aunt's dock. I'd watch the fish I caught struggle for air on that dock. They can't survive out of the water yet they are alive. What I would do is have all women contemplating an abortion to see a sonogram of their "fetus" with its own heartbeat. At least when they kill it they will do so knowing what they have done. To those who disagree with me. I respect your opinion. Let's just agree to disagree.
by SG QOTABD RIP SHELLA DARLING on July 4th, 2007
yes i think that any abortion at any sage of pregnancy is murder.
i have seen photos of aborted fetues online at different sages and its extreamly upsetting as to how any woman can do this to their unborn child.
by singwell-is off researching a lot on March 26th, 2007
As a christian, I do. Especially since I had my own family. I saw my girls on ultrasounds when they were still at an age they could have been legally aborted. To say they were "products of conception" was a lie. My elder daughter was sleeping when they focussed on her, but the pushing woke her. She threw a tantrum in front of us, then comforted herself by putting her thumb in her mouth...that is not a "product of conception". That is a living human being.
Sorry if I am politically incorrect, but you asked.
by cliffordanddeanna on July 9th, 2008
I have had 2 miscarriages and tried for years to have a baby. So I believe that YES it is murder.
by anonymous on November 3rd, 2006
It's a tricky one I have to say. I mean, there are so many different circumstances to consider as to whether it is right or wrong. I've had this argument before, in the circumstances when someone is raped. I think it might of been Bob (sorry if it's wrong) that said that the fact that the baby was concieved out of rape doesn't make it any less deserving of life. I sort of agree, that at the beginning no life is worth less than anothers. However,do you know what it's like to be raped? Imagine such an earth shattering experience, and then bringing up the rapists child? Honestly, how many people can say they could do that, really? And people make mistakes yes, and things happen we can't always control no matter how hard we try. So I believe abortion can be a good thing. This isn't answering the question, but I felt I had to say that too. In my opinion (and all you pro-life people and religious will hate this as usual) abortion is not murder. The feotus hasn't lived a life yet, it isn't born. Sometimes it's the kindest thing to do. All you people who can't see that sometimes this is the best option, and that every child should be born, are you going to adopt all the thousands of children living in misery in care?
by Highlander is semi-retired from AB on July 14th, 2007
Absolutely!
by DRLAURAHATER on December 2nd, 2006
YES,YES,YES,YES All Abortions are murder. Did your mother murder you, NO! she kept you and loved you. So why do you want to MURDER your baby?
by fredhetz on November 28th, 2006
Men are obviously entitled to their opinions on this matter; but I do often feel that it is somewhat arrogant of any male to inflict that opinion on any woman in a way that suggests they know what's best.
Yes, I know that men are involved in reproduction as well. But an aborted pregnancy, free of all the emotions that are understandably attached to it, is a medical procedure.
Please spare me, "Yes, but it's a medical procedure that..." It's still a medical procedure.
If anyone is qualified to tell anyone else what medical procedure they should or shouldn't have, it is not I. And chances are very good that it's not you either, especially - in this case - if you're male.
by Elysia1993 on October 19th, 2008
i think that aborion is wrong and it should be illegal all around the world there are so mny different types of abortion like the PARTIAL BIRTH abortion (illegal in the united states)this is what happens...Intact D&X, or partial birth abortion first involves administration of medications to cause the cervix to dilate, usually over the course of several days. Next, the physician rotates the fetus to a footling breech position. The body of the fetus is then drawn out of the uterus feet first, until only the head remains inside the uterus. Then, the physician uses an instrument to puncture the base of the skull, which collapses the fetal head. Typically, the contents of the fetal head are then partially suctioned out, which results in the death of the fetus, and reduces the sizes of the fetal head enough to allow it to pass through the cervix. The dead and otherwise intact fetus is then removed from the woman's body. dont believe me go to healthline.com and type in partial birth abortions and click on the second link another form of abortion is MANUAL VACUUM. This procedure can be used up to 10 weeks after the last menstrual period (early first trimester). It is the only surgical abortion procedure available before 6 to 7 weeks of pregnancy. It involves the use of a specially designed syringe to apply suction. This method is not available everywhere, but it may be more available than machine aspiration in some geographic areas. another is MACINE VACUUM This procedure is the most common method used in the first 6 to 12 weeks (first trimester) of pregnancy. Machine vacuum aspiration involves the use of a hollow tube (cannula) that is attached by tubing to a bottle and a pump, which provides a gentle vacuum. The cannula is passed into the uterus, the pump is turned on, and the tissue is gently removed from the uterus. ABORTION IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! once that baby is concived once the sperm enters the egg that baby is alive that baby is feeding off of you that baby is taking your blood from the unblical cord and getting nutritents from what you eat you are responsible for it now im only 15 i havent had a baby yet but if i were to get pregnant before i was ready i would never never have an abortion if i had to that baby would go up for adoption but killing it is wrong if u murdered someone becasue i didnt like them or because you didnt want them in your life you would be put in jail well abortion is the same thing you are killing a humanbeing because u dont want it it was most likley you god damed falt that you got pregnant in the first place becsaue uhad unprotected sex maybe you should think next time yes somethimes people get raped or the condom breaks or the birth controll was faulty but thats still no reason to kill the baby here are some videos so that you can understand better watch the first one it explains soo much of what i havent APORTION IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by DRLAURAHATER on July 4th, 2007
YES! All people have a right to be born. Did your mother try to or even think to murder you? NO! she let you live.
by ConservativelyLiberal on October 5th, 2008
It comes down to when is the embryo alive. Science say that it knows, and religion says it knows. Hence the issue. Since I'm not religious I side with science, but that's just me.
by DRLAURAHATER on June 4th, 2008
YES IT IS.
by Roselynn...unregistered text offender... on May 30th, 2008
Yes.
by PaigeKittles on May 30th, 2008
Yes, abortion is, in fact, Murder. Let's take a look at what God's word, the Bible, indicates... It shows that Jehovah God has high regard for human life right from it's very start. His law to ancient Israel stated: “In case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a PREGNANT woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs, he is to have damages imposed upon him without fail according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him; and he must give it through the justices. But if a FATAL accident should occur, then you must give SOUL FOR SOUL.”—Ex. 21:22-25
by rayne on May 30th, 2008
Yes, cause its killing a living thing!!
by LadyMadonna on February 29th, 2008
Yes premeditated murder.
by Anonymous on July 13th, 2007
100% yes
by sunshine on June 5th, 2007
most definitely. the life of the body is in the blood and like a week or two after the baby is conceived it receives blood.not only that but how can you seriously believe that abortion isn't killing a baby? it's wrong. that baby should have just as much a chance for life and you and i did.
by Big Mama on May 11th, 2007
yes it is killing human being and that is murder
by Anonymous on December 2nd, 2006
if its not deformed then yes
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by hemiman on September 26th, 2006
Even if you define a fetus as a person, that doesn't solve how to reconcile conflicts of the rights of the fetus (person) with the mother (person who also has rights).
by AntigoneRising on October 9th, 2006
Valid viewpoint, good answer. I disagree, but who am I to say?
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on November 18th, 2006
If you're sure the "person" comes into being when the egg is
fertilized, why isn't it a person when the intent to fertilize is
formed? Or when the egg divides the first time. Or when it reaches 3rd
trimester? Or when the sperm's tail is completely inside? Or when the
sperm first makes contact with the egg? What makes this particular bit
of the process more absolute than all of the others? And by what common-sense criteria can a fertilized egg be called a person? Where exactly would it's "personality" be located? This is exactly what happens when humans attempt to absolutize their own concepts of reality -- paradoxes and nonsense result.
by Stableboy on November 20th, 2006
well, if both the "fetus" (latin for "unborn child") and mother have the same rights, then they both have the right to live as the minimum. and the convenience or comfort of one should not override the right to life of the other.
by insaner on September 21st, 2008
They will live long on the streets after mom and dad lose the house ;)
Oh, and don't think that there are any public assistance programs that can help. They *used to* but they are now overextended, underfunded, and sen as milking off of the state in this modern era of Conservatism. More money to help accidental parents give birth to and raise healthy children in a heated shelter with adequate food, the less money that CEOs get to line their pockets with.
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You also assume that rights ARE equal. False. They CANNOT be for reasons that a pro-lifer would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER even admit exist because they only ever look as the simplest possible viewpoint with ABSOLUTELY no consideration of ANY other fact or factor.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on September 21st, 2008
oooook jerv. so in the first part you make a completely valid point that the govt is not providing for people who need it. ie, once you are alive, and have needs the govt should take care of you and not the already rich people. so, the matter is one of the govt not of the rights to life.
the second "point" you made, s/EVER//gi, is more baby talk and blind bigotry than anything and wait, was there a point you were making?
by the way, there is no such thing as "accidental" parents.. sex is meant as the natural method of procreation.. if people dont understand even this.. then wow.. liberals should stop talking about condoms so much and start saying "sex leads to pregnancy. its how it works" not to mention VD and so on.. there is no 100% safe method of having sex that will not lead to one or the other eventually. thats fact. why dont we teach that? oh right, cuz people are just animals who cant control their physical urges.. i forgot..
by insaner on September 23rd, 2008
I always thought that Conservatives were idealists.
You just proved it.
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That second part is personal experience; my own childhood and personal/family friends.
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I guess that if a person has a tire blow out on their car causing them to crash and kill a person that you would call that PREMEDITATED murder?
BTW - has EVERY sexual thing you've done in your life EVER resulted in a kid and/or an infection? Even the wet dreams? Or are you truly genderless?
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As for your scaremonger assertion that sex ALWAYS leads to VD and/or pregnancy, you just proved your ignorance of medical science and statistics. That may be how it works where yuou come from, but in the REALLY REAL world where most of us humans live, that simply isn't true.
Take your meds, get an education, take a look at reality, and THEN come on back here and lets see if you feel the same way once you leave your delusional fantasy world and join the rest of us.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on September 23rd, 2008
well if the purpose of the existence of cars was that they blow out and kill someone and then you went and did that, but "safely", i would still say it was.. yeah.. since thats the whole point of it.. "but i was so careful!!" still.. you knew what it leads to..
um, if you grab the word "sex" and refer to all sexual behavior by it, as opposed to the act of sex, then you can turn my comment into pretty much anything. i didnt say sexual behavior, i said sex.
i also didnt said it "ALWAYS" leads to vd or pregnancy.. read again, and THEN judge all you want, but judge correctly.
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i guess when you can turn peoples comments into anything you want, then yeah, i can see how your delusional fantasy might appear to be everyone's delusional fantasy.
by insaner on September 25th, 2008
"there is no 100% safe method of having sex that will not lead to one or the other eventually. thats fact. " - I think that's pretty cut and dried.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on September 25th, 2008
sorry, forgot the word "effective" after 100%.. i was talking about there not being a 100% reliable method to prevent these things. in other words you can never be 100% certain. know what i mean now?
by insaner on September 25th, 2008
By that logic there is no 100% effective method to ensure that you won't be smashed in the head by a falling meteorite while banging your wife either so I guess that that is *statistically* valid, no matter how improbable.
Then again, you're talking to a monogamous guy with a vasectomy so my odds of wither are a bit lower than average to begin with.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on September 25th, 2008
has that ever happened? if it has never happened then we have a 100% success rate.. right?
by the way, ive heard of even guys with vasectomies impregnating women.. so there goes that argument..
by insaner on September 26th, 2008
I don't even know where to *begin* on that one. I am going to assume that you have never studied statistics and probability. Look up "Monte Carlo Fallacy" and then tell me what you think.
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Ever hear of an Elephant Rock? You carry it to keep elephants away. How do you know it's working? You don't see any elephants here, do you? 100% success!
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I didn't say my odds were zero, merely considerably lower than average.
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on September 26th, 2008
dood, my point is that you are arguing something i didnt say or at least you made no effort to understand what i was saying and proceeded to argue away at something i wasnt saying. this you might know as the straw-man.. can you at LEAST try to understand what i am saying?
ill try again:
there is no method you can apply when trying to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex that can give you a 100% guarantee of effectiveness.
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ok? do we agree now?
by insaner on October 4th, 2008
That is a *much* more accurate statement. Had you said it that way to begin with, I never would have gone off.
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I have a wild hair when it comes to probabilities and the common use of the "Monte Carlo fallacy".
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on October 4th, 2008
yeah, but for exactly that reason you have to go to much greater lengths to understand what people are saying, and not just run off with whatever and rail on them.. we can have our disagreements, but let them be disagreements and not just you arguing against something i didnt say or mean.. right?
by insaner on October 4th, 2008
I *think* I know what you're saying now.
Miscommunications happen. I have many with my wife. They happen much more often when you deal with a more literal-minded person (like myself) who tends to be a little anal about being precise.
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Google "Asperger"
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on October 5th, 2008
you have asperger's? in any case, if you do, all the more reason not to go and rail on people until you actually fully understand what they are saying. make it a quest to understand, and not so much one to make others agree with you, or criticize their opinion.
by insaner on October 14th, 2008
Look at all of the other halfwits around here (not just at AB, but in society at large) though.
Look at them objectively.
You'll find that I'm really no worse than them except that I am more likely to be tactlessly honest.
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BTW - AS isn't any more of a real handicap than left-handedness. I may see things differently, but don't we all?
You tell me to make it a quest to understand. I've done that for years. I've had to in order to function. Where is YOUR understanding?
You seem to be trying hard to make me agree with you; hard enough to appear almost hypocritical by that statement. I doubt that was your intent, but....
by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on October 14th, 2008
i thought i was talking from the same side of the fence on this issue, since you brought it up as an excuse/explanation for how you were miscommunicating. i wasnt passing judgment, i was offering advice. sorry if it didnt come off as friendly, but we can agree i wasnt being mean.
i might be trying really really hard to make people agree with me, especially if you realize that i do think abortion is murder (i lost the main thread of what you and i were talking about specifically since it was so long, sorry about that.. school and a broken computer got in the way) however i dont see how trying to get people to understand my position would make me hypocritical here
by insaner on December 2nd, 2008
I agree that abortion is murder - i get the other arguements and i empathisize - i could just never kill a baby no matter how it was concieved
by Beckaa on March 11th, 2009
But if you express your view that way ... "I could just never kill a baby...", you really *don't* get the other arguments, because the other arguments are "your conception of 'baby' is too simplistic".
by HasntBeen on March 12th, 2009