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Good question! Yes, he is :D
Yes, but Yahweh is guilty of even more than that.
1.) Everything is done by Yahweh's design, according to Yahweh's plan. Therefore, sin, the need for Hell, and the need to send people/entities there to suffer is all by design. It is, in fact, according to Yahweh's plan. Yahweh set up this whole scenario in order to create a situation wherein he "had" to torture people. He's a sadist.
2.) Yahweh created everything according to plan. That is, everything is going according to His plan when humans suffer from devastating diseases, children are killed, war breaks out, women are raped, men are mutilated. Again, He's a sadist.
3.) Yahweh actually commands (see Bible) the genocide of all of the inhabitants of over 60 cities. He kills all of the firstborn of Egypt. He wipes out humanity during the flood. He wipes out Sodom and Gomorrah. In fact, Yahweh LOVES genocide. He's a sadistically genocidal Madman.
4.) According to the Bible, the worst thing you can possibly ever do is not bow down and worship Yahweh and call him righteous (funny thing, as you aren't supposed to lie, but you are supposed to call this sadistic mass murderer righteous...how does one pull THAT off???). In the New Testament, the unforgivable sin is rejecting (by most Christian dogma, refusing to be possessed by) Yahweh's Holy Spirit. Yahweh is a narcissist.
5.) According to Genesis 1:26 and 3:22 ("Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...", "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever..."), there is an "us" - aka: a pantheon of deities. However, Yahweh insists that His followers deny the existence of the others, and also insists that, rather than a plural "we" creating humans, He did it alone. Yahweh has delusions of grandeur.
6.) Yahweh does some really illogical things. He tests the faith of Job when, in fact, as an omnipresent deity, he already knows what will happen. He marks Cain so that "others might know him" when, according to His own book, the only others alive were his parents (Apparently, Yahweh created them with some memory issues. This is not unlike Bill Gates' Windows 3.11...) Cain goes out and marries, and Yahweh never does say where Cain's wife came from. Yahweh has a looseness of association with truth and reality. He is, in fact, a compulsive, delusional liar.
Well, I can go on and on, but let's leave it at this, shall we?
Entrapment I say!
I want a lawyer.
by Sgt Churba - Rational Response Squad on July 14th, 2007
Selected by the asker, Magenta. (What's this?)
Yes, he is, but you try handcuffing the rotten sod.
What kind of god tests his/her creations? It appears his/her intent was for them to prove their love/devotion to him. What kind of god has to prove how awesome he/she is over an asshole like satan? What kind of god has an ego to maintain?
Did adam and eve even know how to write about their peril? and if so, wheres there scripts and personal addition in the bible?
Oh the many question i have that will never be given a good answer.
by borasalama on July 1st, 2007
"why is mankind to blame for original sin?" Who said mankind is, God didn't. So we have to ask those who point the finger at mankind - where is your evidence that mankind was involved? I certainly wasn't. I wasn't even consulted.
As for "Isn't God guilty of entrapment?" Well I'm not sure about "guilty". I will go along with "didn't God allow?" And the answer would be yes of course, and He still does. How else would your belief in and obedience of Him be an act of free will. There has to be an alternative, and those not believing in God will strive to make it a credible alternative. That's where the test comes in.
by justasking on July 1st, 2007
God did not create robots, he created humans. And, He said they were very good and he loves them. He wants us to love Him too, but He doesn't force us to. So, choose the snake, or choose Him. It's up to you. It's not entrapment, it is free choice. Clearly, He loves you, and is seeking you, or you wouldn't be asking this question. Love Him back and ssek Him, or run the other way -- He will not force you, but He will wait for you.
by Starmaster on July 1st, 2007
This God plays games. The God I believe in doesn't play games. This God is guilty of entrapment! Christians are lead to believe that God got mad because they ate the forbidden fruit, but that he knew that it was going to happen, so he knew before creation that he was going to send his only Son to die for the sins that we will commit because he was going to create the whole original sin scenario.....Isn't this just nonsense!!!!!
by Sgt Churba - Rational Response Squad on July 2nd, 2007
Point - God Said they would die if they ate the fruit from the tree, and Adam and Eve clearly didn't.
Does that make god a liar?
by Grammy Robin on July 1st, 2007
Right, how can man be blamed.
I bet he's also employed by the US Government. It would explain many things....no.
by NoTa LoKa on August 2nd, 2007
whoa lots of good responses on this well in IMO i think that God did this to test our trust and noblage to him
by God Rules on January 4th, 2008
Where were you when God created the heavens and the earth? or Where were you when Satan rebelled and was cast out of Heaven? Jesus said, "Thou shall not tempt the Lord your God." Be careful how you accuse God; you may not like His reply. Read Job
by Perryman on October 15th, 2007
No, that is not entrapment.
God also created wisdom. He also created self control.
Adam and Eve had a choice. They made a poor choice.
Satan was a rebel. He schemed against God. He misled Adam and Eve. That is not entrapment.
They joined in the rebellion by disobeying.
God did not make humans out to be robots.
For that we should be thankful.
by LibrarianMax on July 25th, 2007
It's even worse than that. After the Fall, which God only found out about by asking Adam why he was hiding, God had to hustle Adam and Eve out of Eden before they ate from the tree of eternal life (Genesis 3:22-23), the clear implication being that if only Adam and Eve had thought to eat from that tree before God caught them, they would have had eternal life anyway and God would have been unable to do anything about it.
The God of Genesis 2-4 is kind of a bungler and certainly not omniscient. The God of Genesis 1 is the one who knows what he's doing and gets the results he wants. The two creation stories (written at very different times) are perhaps the most obvious thematic contradiction in the Bible.
by New Member on July 17th, 2007
Well, God created us in His own image to have abundant life. He did not make us robots to automatically love and obey Him but gave us the gift of free choice. Hence, we chose to disobey God on our own will, which resulted in our separation.
by singwell-is off researching a lot on July 1st, 2007
If a wallet is lying on the ground, and you pick it up, you have the choice to hand it in or keep it.Don't blame the person who dropped the wallet.
God put certain things in the Garden, but the humans had the choice to stay in the state they were in, in which everything was perfect and troublefree, or believe the lie that was told to them that God did not really care for them and that they could run the place better anyway.
THey soon found out they could not.
by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on July 1st, 2007
Eve was perfect.
Eve had free will.
Eve made a bad choice.
Her husband followed in her course of disobedience.
Her husband blamed his action on the woman God gave him.
The snake was a puppet of an evil spirit creature.
God didn't force the fruit down anyone's throat.
by Anonymous on July 1st, 2007
No. As much as people would like to blame God for the evil in the world, He or she is not responsible for the choices of men. It is the choices that people make that determine the amount of good or evil that are in the world. Just because there is evil in the world does not exempt us from making proper choices or being accountable for our actions. God also created the angel that later became satan. He wasn't created as satan. He became satan through his own actions.
by Magenta on July 1st, 2007
Still no Christians have replied to this question, and one even downrated it! LOL!
by Aoefreak on January 14th, 2008
FREEEEEEE WILLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD REFUSED TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREE WILL, AND THEREFORE IT WAS EVE'S FAULT THAT SHE ATE THE FRUIT OF THE tree of knowledge of good and evil.
by Anon on October 15th, 2007
You are making one of the biggest mistakes when it comes to religion: You have thought for yourself. If you apply this daring reasoning process throughout the bible you will have the same problem.
Welcome to the thinking world! It's not as black and white, and certainly not as pretty, but it is reality.
BTW for those who can't handle differing opinions: Go ahead and downrate me, all it shows is fear...
by ImaCatholic2 on August 28th, 2007
Not really.
You left out free will.
When God, in the beginning, created man, he made him subject to his own free choice. (Sirach 15:14)
The Catholic Church teaches:
+ The All-Knowing God +
God is omniscient. He possesses the most perfect knowledge of all things. In the first place He knows and comprehends Himself fully and adequately, and in the next place He knows all created objects and beings fully.
+ Free Will +
God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions.
"God willed that man should be 'left in the hand of his own counsel,' so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him."
http://www.nccbuscc.org/catechism/text/pt3sect1chpt1art3.htm
+ All Knowing vs. Free Will +
It might seem that God knowing what our actions will be would cancel out free will. But this is not so. God plan's his will around our free will actions.
+ Example +
I have a small child, I know and love this child with all my heart and mind. This child looks at a cookie on the table. I know this child well enough that I know she will take the cookie. The child takes the cookie. Does the child have free will or did I force the child to take the cookie?
God loves and knows us infinitely more than I know that child. Is it not reasonable that God knows what we will do and still not force our actions?
+ With love in Christ.
by IvoryStar on August 28th, 2007
It doesn't say that God created the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but "caused to grow". He only placed it in the garden to entrap the devil in his evil works. It was a perversion of the truth, and still is (empty philosophy that holds no truth in it, man's reasoning apart from God, produced from the fruits of evil intent).
He, Satan, chose to pervert goodness and then use it for bad. After all, noone can become justifiably convicted unless they put into practice what is already in their own heart. The "good and evil" was seemingly good with evil within. And God warned them not to eat of it...identifying it for them (Adam and Eve).
Satan chose to spread his philosophy of "free will" (apart from God's will to believe and receieve and live forever) to Eve, seeing that she was suseptable to it. As men look for and take evil advantages of unknowledgable, innocent women's weaknesses, etc. Knowing that it was the "easy in" to Adam's heart as well.
But God has a merciful answer, Jesus Christ (His Word), if we only believe by the hearing of the Word of God, and let Him into our hearts by asking Him in, which is His kind will for us. He loved us first...it all starts from there.
The serpent became perverted unto himself, by himself (the evil seed). And also implanted the curiosity in Eve that she could become like God by her own "free will" that Satan put in her, by deceit. Thinking herself to be as God before she even ate of the forbidden fruit of unrighteousness. It all starts in the heart, thoughts and intentions.
Satan caused Eve to wander, through her own desire to learn. An attribute God put in us all. He conceived a deception in her, causing her to believe that she needed what she already had. He moreless molested/perverted her spiritually.
Although He (God) caused to grow "every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food"...does He not cause the sun to shine on the just and the wicked (those who know not God)? That they might have a chance to understand and see goodness, that they might desire it? He helps us..never against us..always for us. Not willing that any should perish.
But the maturity of the tares (wicked/unsaved) will show their true value/intent/inwardness/fruits/produce/by their works of unrighteousnesses, as Satan has. As the children of God eventually grow to maturity as well, in their own right, shedding any unrighteousnesses, along the faithful way. By the loving power of His Holy Spirit within us.
God searches and knows the heart, intent and will.
We are justified by faith, if we only believe. As Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness, producing good fruit/produce/works.
God entrapped, or swallowed up death for all time, on our behalf. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (in place of us, for the propitiation of our own sins). He had a plan before the beginning.
Discover the wonderful attributes of God in Christ Jesus, by His Holy Spirit, One on one. Displayed for all mankind to eat of and enjoy. For the earth is filled with His glory, to those who see. Hear and believe. Just ask :)
It's the origin that matters....God's Love, amen.
by Anonymous on August 2nd, 2007
Sorry I have to answer this way for #26- I can't seem to get the comment button to work right. ~shrug~ ?
Anyway, there are many different pairs of glasses people use to look at the world. We seem to have two slightly different pairs. : ) My glasses have the rosy tint of hope in a loving Father, in a hero whose only hope is to rescue me from myself (because He did not desire or create us to die) and love me for myself. While I know that many will look down on that and assume I am naive, weak, and an idealist since I am relying on a God who decided to purposely limit Himself so that good would overcome evil, I know in my heart exactly who I am and Who I need. I am impressed by your tenactity and your pursuit of truth. I wish more Christians had the same kind of drive. I hope that you find what you need to! Thank you for replying without being rude as many often do. Please don't be upset if I say I will pray for you. It is the highest sign of respect and outreach I can give.
by Anonymous on July 30th, 2007
I apologize, because I think I am about to go on a rabbit trail from the main question, but I would like to comment on your reply to my first answer (28). Many times I have heard the question, "Can God make a rock bigger than He can move?" As I hear it I just smile, because I know there are many who would shrug their shoulders in confusion or get in a huff because they think you are insulting their God. Well, I know that there ARE some things God can not do. Surprised? :) Well, I know that God can not lie. The Bible clearly says so in Hebrews 6:8. Why? Because by doing so would go against His divine nature. God is truth. So since God cannot lie, and the Bible says that He is all-knowing and all-powerful, we know that those attributes must be His as well since the Bible is God's word or God's story. (At this point I know you must be raising your eyebrows and doing a little smirk because I am just basing this on what the Bible says, but hear me out! :)
So if God can't lie, and if He is all-knowing and all-powerful, the real question is, can He limit Himself? Can He limit His knowledge and His power? Well, the Bible clearly shows that He can and will. When God came in the form of Christ, He had limited knowledge (He said that only the Father knows when Jesus will be coming for the second time) and He had limited His power (Jesus said that He could call 12 legions of angels (about 72,000) to His aid, but He chose not to, and instead willingly died on the cross). Would He limit His knowledge and power enough to give us free will? Think about it like this. I know that my kids will not do perfectly in school. Although I know that I could either not give birth to them or else keep them home so that they never fail a test, I don’t, because I want them to learn, even though learning may come from failing. Can their failing test score be blamed on me? No. Am I evil for sending them to school? No. (Although some kids may think so!!) If I went in I could have passed the test easily, but I limited myself and let them have a go at it. I am not evil for sending my kids to school, I am not to blame for their failings, even though I know that there may be a time when it happens. My biggest desire is to see them learn and grow and love and be loved. And that is why God made us. To learn, and grow, and love and be loved. I would not decide to purposely not have a child simply because I know the world is a rotten place and there will be plenty of times that they will fail, sometimes because of their own decisions and sometimes because of others. As a mom, I would love to switch places or give my life to help or save one of my children from any pain during those difficult times. But unfortunately I can’t most of the time. Fortunately God Can and Did. He does love us just as a parent loves a child and willingly gave His life to save us from indescribable pain due to our own selfish decisions, a decision He made before He even made the world. (Titus 1:2) So in reality, He did not set us up to fail- He set us up to win. We are the ones who decide to lose.
Magenta, so in terms of your mother and child blame story? If the mom knows the child is going to do wrong and does nothing about it before the child is even conceived, then yes, she is to blame. But if she sets up something to save the child? Then she is a hero. Because what greater love is there than to save someone unlovable?
by Castrate on July 30th, 2007
Well, if you're looking for a nice long read, this might explain your little "problem" (actually it does explain it, but hopefully to your satisfaction as well).
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gutripper.html
But I ask that you do not make any assumptions about what "I" believe. And please, only argue with me after you have read the whole thing. I doubt you're really willing to, because I think you only asked this question to get a rise out of people, get points, and to further your agenda. I doubt you actually wanted an answer to your question, other than one of agreement (aka a pat on the back). And if you downrate me for saying that, then you are no better than those "Christians" that supposedly downrated YOU.
P.S. Also, I couldn't help but laugh my head off after seeing this. This picture was on your website. This is apparently one of your shirt pictures.
by bentambling on July 16th, 2007
That's not true. The truth is, there is no snake or whatsoever. The bible or the ones who use the bible to hold people (priests, christian leaders, pope)made us believe that it is the truth, just for them to have followers and plunder money from us..
by Anonymous on July 12th, 2007
How can you think like that after knowing that God has created you? And still have had the chance to get 40 points for your Q?
by Someguy on July 10th, 2007
So what? Let's say he is. Then what? You've got an agenda here, be clear with it.
by Takei-Shihan on July 10th, 2007
The sin did not occur at the exact moment of the creation of Adam & Eve. They were given time to make choices and decisions for themselves, to develop their own personalities. They grew by themselves from their creation to be who they were at the moment of the big test, and it was this self development that was being tested.
God designed the test and is responsible for the way the test tests, but it is the actual faulty action of Eve thinking that her loving God could not ever create something that would absolutely kill her (even though He said the forbidden fruit would kill), and so, she thought, there could be no real actual harm in trying the forbidden fruit, that is considered to be the sin.
Likewise, when Satan asked God if He were actually needed now that creation was complete and God's great task was over, this was a question that came from the self development that occurs when freedom of thought and choice are offered.
God is guiltless here. He just made the test possible, he did not influence its outcome.
Cops with radar guns are not guilty of making people drive too fast, they just prove that some choose wisely while others do not.
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You fail to realize that God so loved his creation (us) that He has often sacrificed many things ... in order to give us the gift of true freedom of choice, He had to give up a small part of Himself. He withholds from Himself some of the knowledge of our future, and some of the power to control our future and our actions, so we are NOT under his control (He WAS all powerful, but He has temporarily taken some of His own power away from Himself). He wants us to be able to willingly choose his guidance.
First, he blew his own breath into Adam, giving up a fragment of His own eternal life, to give Adam a slightly divine and everlasting life, unlike all the other life forms He just plain created, this is why we are considered to be above other Earthly life forms.
He continues to reduce His powers over us so we may develop on our own ... you seem to indicate He either has not or could not do this. Of course He could take the power back, but He wants us to be truly free so He does not. Part of Him being all powerful is Him having the power to suspend some of His own power so He can give to US.
So in the test of the forbidden fruit, God set up the TEST (He did NOT set up a TRAP), then cut Himself out of the picture and waited, without controling any if the events, so He can not possibly be guilty. It was a totally fair test that both Adam and Eve failed and thereby lost what was their everlasting lives.
Because of this failure, God once more gives up something and again dimminishes Himself so we may recieve ... the Jews are still waiting for the first coming of the savior while the Christians believe Jesus was & is the savior sent to restore us and fix the mistake made by Adam & Eve.
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... as for your metaphor, it is yet another test, but this one has God FORCING all OTHER possible outcomes to be NOT possible ... does not compare to the freedom of choice test with the forbidden fruit.
by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on July 1st, 2007
No, because man and woman chose to sin. They did not have to, but they did. Sometimes I've wondered if the purpose of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was to be a test to see if man loved God enough to obey one simple commandment, to see which man would choose, good or evil, and to see which spiritual father man would choose, God or Satan. Man chose evil, and he chose Satan over Christ. Thankfully, God spared them and killed an animal in their place and gave them the animal's fur for a covering and gave them the promise of a Saviour who would come. He has came already and has died in our place and defeated death, hell, and the grave. All who call upon Him (Jesus Christ) will be saved(Romans 10:9-13). I hope that this is helpful.
-In the Master's service.
Thank you and God bless you!
-In the service of the Master.
Thank you and God bless you!
by iwnit on July 1st, 2007
Interesting question, but there are two important point which were not mentioned:
1) God told them very clearly not to do it
2) God created them with free will
And somehow, I am glad that they did it, otherwise, none of all these wonderful people would ever have existed.
by Janie on March 31st, 2008
Magenta Studios you are my hero.
oh, and i agree...
by rapunzo4 on December 12th, 2007
A test of faith, we are tested daily on our faith. God did not make the snake the snake was put there by the fallen angel, yes god allowed him to enter the garden but did not place the snake there. If you look at the lost text on adam and eve it explains it better there. In your search engine just type in the lost books of the bible and it will come up for you !!!
by Peetee on October 31st, 2007
Just been reading all the answers here. I'm a Christian but I do like your question and no, sorry I can't add any light to it. I'll try to rephrase it for those who keep raving on about free will:
God knew what we were all going to do in the first place. He knew who would obey. He knew who would disobey. Why didn't he just create the ones that he knew would obey him?
by Mequel on October 31st, 2007
Wow, He created man with freedom of choice! If He didn't we would be robots.
He gave us everything we needed, WITH instruction. Yes, the serpent did beguile Eve and yes Eve and Adam partook of something they were given clear instruction not to. Its like saying to your child, I have baked these cookies, don't touch them till they are cool BECAUSE you will be burned.
Little Johnnie defies and takes a cookie and burns himself. Are you guilty of entrapment because you baked the cookies? God told Adam and Eve clearly, DON'T eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, BECAUSE you will die if you do.. but.. hey.. look, EVERY other tree, fruit and other edibles you can have.
I think the question posed is a legitimate argument if God had given no instructions or direction. Entrapment by definition is "the luring of a person into committing a crime".
Don't think it fits becuase God never wanted man to fall into sin in the first place. :)
by Tiger on October 15th, 2007
God created everything for Good!
It is we who used it for wrong purposes.
God created Eden as a garden to enjoy the beauty of the creation!
God created the tree of knowledge to know the good and bad-to follow good things and ignore bad things.
God created Eve as a life partner for adam- That is love which makes the world go around - thank God he created woman, what would have the world been - without women - THANK YOU LORD!
God created a snake as part of his animal kingdom - one of his creation of many reptiles.
Even if God allowed the snake to enter the garden - it was eve who dis-obeyed not God.
Instead of blaming God lets start trusting in Him!
by Tiger on October 15th, 2007
God created everything for Good!
It is we who used it for wrong purposes.
God created Eden as a garden to enjoy the beauty of the creation!
God created the tree of knowledge to know the good and bad-to follow good things and ignore bad things.
God created Eve as a life partner for adam- That is love which makes the world go around - thank God he created woman, what would have the world been - without women - THANK YOU LORD!
God created a snake as part of his animal kingdom - one of his creation of many reptiles.
Even if God allowed the snake to enter the garden - it was eve who dis-obeyed not God.
Instead of blaming God lets start trusting in Him!
by pablopage on October 15th, 2007
Do not blame God for evil. Women and men choose their path. God often comes and has to clean up the mess (Sodom and Gomorrah) to protect those born in the future so that their evil philosphies and selfish desires will not continue.
Usually, I find that people are making the simple more difficult. We can become our own worst enemy. God didn't create evil. God created an angel called Lucifer. All angels were given free-will. However, the angels could readily see God and still 1/3 chose to not love their creator. One of those lead the 3rd down to earth amd he entered into or impersonated a snake which deceived Eve as well as 1/3 of the angels in heaven.
Therefore, Lucifer is charged with the original sin. God created Lucifer with a choice. God didn't create Lucifer so evil could be produced. He created Lucifer to love him freely for all eternity. Lucifer made the decision not to love his creator.
I'm consistently amazed how people form their information on a few pieces of all the material given.
Understand the big picture then make certain your big picture view is correct, then support the big with smaller pieces of information then form the opinions from both the general and specific information given.
by calova on October 12th, 2007
First of all, as I remember, God punished the snake. Second, he had a future plan for humans. When Jesus was crucified, he went to hell to defeat Satan, and thus allowed people to be with god in heaven.
by Ridiculous on July 26th, 2007
Yeah, and there is no need for a savior or a blood sacrifice or anything like that either, god makes up the rules, so he could have said believe in this magic rock or unicorns and you will have ever lasting life.
And if Jews are the "chosen people of god" why if you are an all powerful god would you let your people get screwed so bad. Slavery, wondering the desert for generations, the holocaust. If he can just smite people over but rape in Sodom and Gomorrah. Why didn't he just use his smiting power on the Egyptians or the Nazis? Isn't slavery and homicide worse than homosexuality?
by DreAnna on July 16th, 2007
Sounds like entrapment to me :)lol
by hershey_squirter_ on July 14th, 2007
Yeah, it is definitely a setup. In the first place it seems pointless to create a tree of knowledge on earth if not for the benefit of man. Second, if he honestly did not want them to mess with it he could have put it out of their reach. Not to mention the fact that he claims to know what's going to happen before it happens because he's all knowing. I would say he's stupid but he can't be stupid if he possesses all knowledge so that means he intended it to happen which makes him evil.
by Esteban-- Smartest Pumpkin on July 14th, 2007
no, entrapment is commiting a crime you would have normally not have done. Eve fulfilled her destiny and ate the apple.
by Anonymous on July 14th, 2007
I was actually researching a question very similar to this for a friend of mine (and for my curiosity)! And although I will apologize in advance for the massive length of it (it took about an hour to read) I found a website that begins to answer your question. It addresses the question "Why didn't God stop the process before it started, if He knew of the massive amounts of suffering that would befall many of His creatures??" but at the same time touches on many of the examples/questions you and others have written in this blog. While I have no clue if people coming to this site will actually go and read this article, I just want to point out that there are arguments that support the existence and methodology of a "good God". Thanks! I hope you find the answer you need to find for yourself!
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gr5part1.html
oh! And just so that you do know a few things about me, so I am not just a blank face rushing through, I am a believer. I don't claim to know or understand everything. I do know that there are people who know a lot more and use their minds a lot more than I do! So I try to rely on them to do the research in the areas I haven't the ability or desire to do on my own! I do salute you for making this blog and trying to share questions and answers. I hope it creates a lot of discussion! Thanks for letting me post!
by thatsJustme on July 10th, 2007
God's intention in the beginning was for man to live in paradise forever. He gave the 1 stipulation. They were tempted by Satan. They disobeyed. Before they sinned they knew no sin they were perfect.
Who was Satan? He was one of God's spirit sons {angel,same as Jesus} . He was there when God created the earth{same as Jesus}. Devil means slanderer, liar. Angels can go from good to bad , just like us. Satan began coveting Gods power,worship. These thoughts kept building until he acted on them, he tempted them, they fell for it. He tempted Jesus. We have free will. Jesus does too.
Adam brought sin on us . He could of refused to eat the fruit. Sin entered the earth through Adam. God sent his "only begotten son" to redeem us. Jesus CHOSE to do this because he loves us too. His sacrifice was for our salvation to have the hope of a perfect like again like God intended in the first place. It is our individual choice...
by Hung Sin-Laan on August 1st, 2011
He is either an ineffectual ninny who was much too incompetent to create the perfect universe he wanted and shifts the blame to his creations for his failings ... or a demon who created a set of traps so that he could torture most of his creations forever. Either alternative shows God is pathetic. We can see primitive men who knew nothing about logic invented this story that would not sell one copy if there were not huge promises in it.
by Cashboxer on June 1st, 2009
If he didn't create us as a Free Moral Agent and able to make our own judgments, then he would have created a bunch of robots.
by mdoyle on May 22nd, 2009
No, he isn't. But you are. If you really wanted the truth, you wouldn't be on a site like this attempting to draw people into silly debates which you have already decided the answer to.
by Fenchurch on May 16th, 2009
ok before your question even starts...
if god crated mankind knowing all the sins we were ever going to commit in our finite lives, and how many souls he would be infinately punishing for our finite sins
then didnt he knowlingly create all future suffering?
isnt he to blame for everything ever?
it doesnt matter if he gave us free will. despite our free will we can never surprise god. he knew right from the beginning what we were going to do.
Does the brain control the way we perceive reality?
by Sarrow on October 13th, 2011
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What do Americans worship more - money or God? Does faith guide the country? Or greed? Evidence?
by GibsonGuy on September 22nd, 2011
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Will Christian extremists who believe in Dominionism and Recnstructionism, dominate the American political atmosphere in 2012?
by GibsonGuy on August 30th, 2011
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I wonder - how would you respond when it is proven that God does exist? That there is undisputed, factual evidence of his existence?
by Odyssee on August 14th, 2011
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Can Truth violate an individuals intuitive sense of justice or logic? Why or why not?
by Freedom00 on August 9th, 2011
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You're reading If God created Eden, and God created the tree of Knowledge, and God created Eve with curiosity, and God created the snake, and God allowed the snake to enter the Garden, then why is mankind to blame for original sin? Isn't God guilty of entrapment?
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entrapment is the situation of causing or guiding someone into an untenable position where they have practically no way out.
the fact that there was a single tree in the middle of a forest of wonderfully delicious variety of thousands of tasty laden trees over thousands of acres or even thousands of miles, is hardly a case of entrapment by anyones stretch of your imagination and barely meets the criteria of even a test.
how absurd
by dr james on April 15th, 2008
Yup, and I can rationalize my way out of a ham sandwich if I wanted to.
by Fox Happy on April 23rd, 2008
im happy for you...did the holes in the swiss cheese entrap you too
by dr james on April 23rd, 2008
Of course not silly, that's what the holes are for. American cheese works much better for entrapment.
by Fox Happy on April 23rd, 2008
You might be right about that American Cheese.... but Velvetta melts easier with the blowtorch.
by Jackey on September 16th, 2009