There must be millions upon millions all over the world who believe in the trinity, and I’d guess most of these would believe in Jesus And God as one person. However, these concepts are not present in the OT which is a much larger collection of books than the NT. Moreover, one wonders whether anyone really understands the concepts or can explain them convincingly. These concepts are most probably very much at odds with man’s instinctive beliefs regarding God. Can you imagine any primitive men contemplating divinity under a tree suddenly saying something like “Oh, of course, it’s so obvious, God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost”? Belief in the Trinity is also very much at odds with the simple universal concept of “The God” taught by Islam. It is at odds with human rationality. Take any Trinitarian argument, let’s take the one where Jesus “ascended to God's right hand”. Now if Jesus is God we get “God ascended to God's right hand”!? To accept that is to reject God’s wonderful gift of reason. Am I talking utter rubbish?

The bible says, " In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1... ..."And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14... ..."But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you" John 14:26... GO FIGURE!

I believe in the Trinity. I believe that God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Ghost are all three distinct Personalities yet One God. I hope that this is helpful. -In the service of the Master. Thank you and God bless you!

I believe the Holy Trinity is much more complex than human beings are capable of understanding. I think it's understating, for lack of a better word, God. Jesus and the Holy Spirit to characterize them as people or a person. While Jesus lived as a man during his 33 years on Earth, I believe it's impossible to comprehend exactly what, or who He actually is. I am certain He was, and is, much, much more than a human being. God is the timeless, omniscient, omnipresent, Creator of the Universe. The beginning, the end - and everything in between. People have no frame of reference for things without a beginning or end. Similarly, we cannot fully comprehend the exact nature of God, in much the same way that a small child cannot understand complex mathematical equations. That said, yes, I do believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one entity. Just not one person. I hope this helps.

I believe in three persons in one God. They are all separate yet all part of one God.

Here is another year-old question that deserves revisiting. As a Christian, i disagree with Borasalama on many points, including the nature and role of Jesus. I do agree with him though that Jesus is not of equal age or authority as the Father. Even from trinitarians i have heard many different definitions of the doctrine. With some i can almost agree, based on the Scriptures. My good friend, a staunch trinitarian, has agreed with me that Jesus receives his authority from and is subject to the Father. Still he asserts that the 2 are both uncreated and co-eternal. For simplicity, here i will only consider the identity of the Father and the Son; the holy spirit will wait. Following are several points to consider: 1)Although a central doctrine of many churches and part of their creeds, the term 'trinity' or 'triune' or an explicit teaching to that effect is completely lacking from the Bible. 2)The expression "God the Father" appears 14 times from 1 Corinthians to Jude. "God the Son" never appears in Scripture. Why is this so? 3)The term "Son of God", referring to Jesus, appears 33 times. If Jesus is God, how can he be the Son of God or a son of God?-Matthew 4 4)If Jesus is the Son and he has a Father, why do we never find the expression "Father of God"? Does God have a Father? 5)We read 17 times that God sent his Son. Who is the greater of the two, the sender or the sent one? Why does it not say that "God came"? 5)Matthew 28:18--Who gave Jesus authority? (What authority is above God?) 1 Corinthians 15:24-28--To whom does Christ subject himself? (Does God subject himself to anyone?) Who is his God and Father? (Who is God's God?) Hebrews 5:7-9--Whom does God fear? What can God learn? To whom is God obedient? How can God be made perfect? Because i have never gotten answers to these questions that fit trinitarian doctrine, i don't believe it. Can anyone explain? Can we believe the trinity without the Son having equal authority and power with the Father?

I have a difficult time believing that Jesus and God are the same. Rather, my personal belief is that Jesus may have been chosen by God to be a representative of the intolerance and political/religious persecutions of the time and place of Jesus. There were many people at the time who were crucified for their religious and political beliefs, of which many were believed to be the Jewish messiah, as was Jesus. Jesus' situation may have been much more common than what most people believe. I suppose Jesus' death was in a way an example of what people were going through. Also, the idea of the Trinity didn't actually develop until the 4th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_trinity#Formulation_of_the_Doctrine

Would like to answer some of Brucetoms questions.. Bruceytom: 2)The expression "God the Father" appears 14 times from 1 Corinthians to Jude. "God the Son" never appears in Scripture. Why is this so? Answer: Because the term "God the son: would immediately infer a separate deity and there is only One God. Bruceytom: 3)The term "Son of God", referring to Jesus, appears 33 times. If Jesus is God, how can he be the Son of God or a son of God?-Matthew 4 Answer: God took on a body of flesh. Son in the Greek can mean "term describing man, carrying the connotation of weakness and mortality" or simply "FLESH".. so to now read that as FLESH of God makes more scriptural sense especially in light of 1 Timothy 3:16 and Isaiah 9:6 & 40:3. Bruceytom: 4)If Jesus is the Son and he has a Father, why do we never find the expression "Father of God"? Does God have a Father? Answer: Jesus is the 'SON' as to His Humanity. Jesus is the "Father" as to His Deity. When Jesus prayed was Jesus praying to Himself? No. Simply Humanity praying to Deity. Remember.. son can mean "..carrying the connotation of weakness and mortality" Jesus with all the weakness of flesh STILL had to pray to gain Spiritual strength, not just as an example but as a necessity. After all. Jesus was a complete whole man just like you and I.

over 80 million world wide are non trinitarian christians.

Yes, I believe in the holy trinity. There is much that were are not capable of understanding and this is one of them.

I believe it is a simile and has a much deeper meaning than what is on the surface,in the explanation fro the church.The trinity concept was around in Egyptian,Greek,and Roman folklore in it's own way.

If you really want an answer to your question about the devinity of Jesus, then here goes. Christianity during Jesus time did not teach that. Matter of fact Jesus even said that after he was gone, many of his teachings would be corrupted. Notice: "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among YOU and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among YOU yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." - ACTS 20:29,30 "However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances..." - 1 Timothy 4:1 The Trinity Trinity (definition) – That the Father, the Son (Jesus), and holy ghost are all together god, each eternal, each almighty, and none greater of less than the other. The belief that Jesus Christ is god, is based on the idea of the trinity. But if you take a look at the history of this teaching: First the word trinity or the teaching is never found in the bible. Also the Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the belief of the trinity or that Jesus was god or was part of god did not even exist until two to three hundred years after the death of Jesus. The Encyclopedia Americana says - “Fourth century Trinitarianism was a deviation from early Christian teaching.” This teaching was adopted into “Christianity” from pagan religions from Egypt, Babylon, from Hinduism, and even from the philosopher Plato that taught the trinity belief 400 years before Jesus. Finally the trinity became the central teaching of the church not because of the bible but because of the order of the Roman Emperor Constantine who was pagan himself. He really couldn’t care less about bible teachings but only wanted to end the debate between church leaders to keep unity in his kingdom. After he made that decision in the year 381, anyone that openly disagreed with the trinity were violently persecuted or killed with the permission of the church. Back to the Scriptures After that history lesson In reading the bibles record of Jesus, Jesus never claimed to be God or any part of God. Everything he said about himself indicated that he did not consider himself equal to God in any way – not in power, not in knowledge, or age. The bible calls Jesus “the only-begotten Son” of God (John 1:14; 1 John 4:9) - First off, John 1:18 – “No man has seen God at any time…” (The bible says no man has ever seen god but thousands saw and interacted with Jesus during his earthly life.) - God has no beginning and no end. Psalms 90:2 – “…even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.” But the bible says that Jesus was “the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15) Also see (Revelation 3:14) Unlike God, Jesus was created and had a beginning. - Notice another scripture. When a man came to fall at Jesus’ feet and then called him “Good Teacher”, Jesus said to him at Mark 10:17, 18 “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.” (If Jesus himself was god would that statement make any sense? Jesus always directed any praise to god, not to himself.) - John 14:28 – “The Father is greater than I.” (Jesus talking) - 1 Corinthians 11:3 - “…the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (The bible always talks of God of being superior in power to Jesus.) - Philippians 2:6 – “…Jesus Christ, who, although he was existing in God’s form (as a spirit in heaven) gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” - Also 1 Timothy 2:5 Says that the disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God himself. A mediator is obviously someone separate from those who need mediation, not part of one of the two parties that need mediation. ---That’s just a short list of the many accounts since I did want to make this to long--- But the bible is clear and consistent about the relationship of God to Jesus. Jesus Christ always distinguishes himself from God and showed that he never desired to be seen or worshipped as god. That he only wished to do the will of his father. Consider Psalms 83:18 – “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the most high over all the earth.” Isaiah 12:2 – “Look! God is my salvation. I shall trust and be in no dread; for Jah Jehovah is my strength and my might, and he came to be the salvation of me.” Jesus stressed the importance of his father’s name at John 17:26 – “I have made your name known to them and will make it known.” Even in Jesus model prayer: - Matthew 6:9 – “YOU must pray, then, this way: “Our Father in the heavens let your name be sanctified…” Another thing Many people don’t know that when they say Hallelujah, it means “praise Jah” short for Jehovah. Even Jesus’ name itself means “Jehovah is Salvation” The mother of the prophet Moses was named Jochebed, which means “Jehovah Is Glory” The prophet Joel in the bible, his name means, “Jehovah is God” The prophet Elijah in the bible name means “My God Is Jehovah” Isaiah’s name means “Salvation of Jehovah” Hezekiah, Josiah, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Zechariah and Zephaniah all are well-known Bible names whose meanings involve Jehovah, or Jah, the shorter poetic form of Jehovah’s name. Even many people’s names today have Jehovah in their meaning: Johnson means “Jehovah has favored” The name Jonathan means, “Jehovah has given” Joshua means, “Jehovah is salvation” or “Jehovah rescues” Jacqueline, Jackie, Jacquelyn, John and Jack means, “Jehovah has been gracious” Chanya means “The Grace of Jehovah” Kayla means “Jehovah has given” Joey means "Jehovah increases" Jesse means “Jehovah exists” Jeremiah and Jeremy means “appointed by Jehovah” Josiah means “Jehovah supports” Joe or Joesph means “May Jehovah give increase” Jane, Jan, Janelle, Janet, Janice, Janie, Janine, Joan, Joanne, Jodie, Joni, Jonie, Joanna, Johannah all are variations that mean “Jehovah is gracious” One last thing: Also remember that “god” is not a name, it’s a title. Just like “boy” or “king”, “God” and “Lord” are titles, “God” is anything you choose to worship. Your money can be your “God”, your possessions can be a “God”, but the only God the bible points to is Jehovah, God’s name. ---Explanation of pictures--- -The "Christian" Trinity was just a pagan befief that was incorporated into the church hundreds of years after Christ. The pictures are of the Hundu trinity, then the ancient Egyptian trinity, and finally the "Christian" trinity. -An ancient painting of the scene in Nicaea when Emperor Constantine made his decision-