Ummm. I think there's this basic thing, in the Catholic church at least, that says that one of the rules of the trinity is that it is unexplainable. Which means they never have to try to explain their beliefs! And also they're meant to be "different but together" or something, so one can be bigger than another but it isn't, really... yeah, I know. I think it's all bollocks.

1 John 1:1-2 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." 1 John 1:14 says "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." Both of these are from an NIV Bible. Basically, since the Word was God, He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning, then the Word became flesh (Jesus.) Of course, it is all in how you interpret the verse and what you believe or don't believe. As a Christian I have faith that the Holy Bible is the Word of God, that Jesus came, knowing He was going to die a horrific death just so that I could be forgiven my sins, and so that I could have a personal relationship with God. As a Methodist I believe in God/Jesus/Holy Spirit being the Holy Trinity. I can't explain it, it is my belief. You can not prove me wrong and I can not prove it true. I don't have to, I know it is true through my faith and love with God and Jesus. I never realized there were so many ways of asking the same question over and over and over and over. I hope this helps you inquiry. In His service, <:))))<>< "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21

The Father is greater than the Son in position, but not greater in Divinity. They are not two spiritual beings, but One Being in Three Persons. (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.) I hope that this is helpful. -In the Master's service. Thank you and God bless you!

The theologians from Fuller Theological Seminary say that Jesus is both man and God or the ManGod.So Jesus speaking as a man can say the Father is Greater than I because Jesus gave up some power temporarily to come down in the form of a man. But Jesus is God so he and the Father share the same Spirit that is in Jesus. So Jesus can say I and the Father are one.When Jesus biologically died on the cross his Spirit of God regained all his former power and glory and also raised his biological body from the grave.

If you really want an answer to your question about the divinity of Jesus, then here goes. To start off, God is not a mystery. “God is not a God of confusion.”—1 Corinthians 14:33 Christianity during Jesus time did not teach that. Matter of fact Jesus even said that after he was gone, many of his teachings would be corrupted. Notice: "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among YOU and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among YOU yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." - ACTS 20:29,30 "However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances..." - 1 Timothy 4:1 The Trinity Trinity (definition) – That the Father, the Son (Jesus), and holy ghost are all together god, each eternal, each almighty, and none greater of less than the other. The belief that Jesus Christ is god, is based on the idea of the trinity. But if you take a look at the history of this teaching: First the word trinity or the teaching is never found in the bible. Also the Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the belief of the trinity or that Jesus was god or was part of god did not even exist until two to three hundred years after the death of Jesus. The Encyclopedia Americana says - “Fourth century Trinitarianism was a deviation from early Christian teaching.” This teaching was adopted into “Christianity” from pagan religions from Egypt, Babylon, from Hinduism, and even from the philosopher Plato that taught the trinity belief 400 years before Jesus. Finally the trinity became the central teaching of the church not because of the bible but because of the order of the Roman Emperor Constantine who was pagan himself. He really couldn’t care less about bible teachings but only wanted to end the debate between church leaders to keep unity in his kingdom. After he made that decision in the year 381, anyone that openly disagreed with the trinity were violently persecuted or killed with the permission of the church. Back to the Scriptures After that history lesson In reading the bibles record of Jesus, Jesus never claimed to be God or any part of God. Everything he said about himself indicated that he did not consider himself equal to God in any way – not in power, not in knowledge, or age. The bible calls Jesus “the only-begotten Son” of God (John 1:14; 1 John 4:9) - First off, John 1:18 – “No man has seen God at any time…” (The bible says no man has ever seen god but thousands saw and interacted with Jesus during his earthly life.) - God has no beginning and no end. Psalms 90:2 – “…even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.” But the bible says that Jesus was “the firstborn of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15) Also see (Revelation 3:14) Unlike God, Jesus was created and had a beginning. - Notice another scripture. When a man came to fall at Jesus’ feet and then called him “Good Teacher”, Jesus said to him at Mark 10:17, 18 “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.” (If Jesus himself was god would that statement make any sense? Jesus always directed any praise to god, not to himself.) - John 14:28 – “The Father is greater than I.” (Jesus talking) - 1 Corinthians 11:3 - “…the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (The bible always talks of God of being superior in power to Jesus.) - Philippians 2:6 – “…Jesus Christ, who, although he was existing in God’s form (as a spirit in heaven) gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” - Also 1 Timothy 2:5 Says that the disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God himself. A mediator is obviously someone separate from those who need mediation, not part of one of the two parties that need mediation. ---That’s just a short list of the many accounts since I did want to make this to long--- But the bible is clear and consistent about the relationship of God to Jesus. Jesus Christ always distinguishes himself from God and showed that he never desired to be seen or worshipped as god. That he only wished to do the will of his father. Consider Psalms 83:18 – “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the most high over all the earth.” Isaiah 12:2 – “Look! God is my salvation. I shall trust and be in no dread; for Jah Jehovah is my strength and my might, and he came to be the salvation of me.” Jesus stressed the importance of his father’s name at John 17:26 – “I have made your name known to them and will make it known.” Even in Jesus model prayer: - Matthew 6:9 – “YOU must pray, then, this way: “Our Father in the heavens let your name be sanctified…” Another thing Many people don’t know that when they say Hallelujah, it means “praise Jah” short for Jehovah. Even Jesus’ name itself means “Jehovah is Salvation” The mother of the prophet Moses was named Jochebed, which means “Jehovah Is Glory” The prophet Joel in the bible, his name means, “Jehovah is God” The prophet Elijah in the bible name means “My God Is Jehovah” Isaiah’s name means “Salvation of Jehovah” Hezekiah, Josiah, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Zechariah and Zephaniah all are well-known Bible names whose meanings involve Jehovah, or Jah, the shorter poetic form of Jehovah’s name. Even many people’s names today have Jehovah in their meaning: Johnson means “Jehovah has favored” The name Jonathan means, “Jehovah has given” Joshua means, “Jehovah is salvation” or “Jehovah rescues” Jacqueline, Jackie, Jacquelyn, John and Jack means, “Jehovah has been gracious” Chanya means “The Grace of Jehovah” Kayla means “Jehovah has given” Joey means "Jehovah increases" Jesse means “Jehovah exists” Jeremiah and Jeremy means “appointed by Jehovah” Josiah means “Jehovah supports” Joe or Joesph means “May Jehovah give increase” Jane, Jan, Janelle, Janet, Janice, Janie, Janine, Joan, Joanne, Jodie, Joni, Jonie, Joanna, Johannah all are variations that mean “Jehovah is gracious” One last thing: Also remember that “god” is not a name, it’s a title. Just like “boy” or “king”, “God” and “Lord” are titles, “God” is anything you choose to worship. Your money can be your “God”, your possessions can be a “God”, but the only God the bible points to is Jehovah, God’s name. ---Explanation of pictures--- -The "Christian" Trinity was just a pagan befief that was incorporated into the church hundreds of years after Christ. The pictures are of the Hundu trinity, then the ancient Egyptian trinity, and finally the "Christian" trinity. -An ancient painting of the scene in Nicaea when Emperor Constantine made his decision-

Jesus has two natures, human and divine. Jesus' human nature was in fact inferior to the Father. His divine nature was equal.

First of all if you believe that Jesus is God then you must understand that what follows does NOT attack the fundamentals of your faith, as contained in the Bible, but draws your attention to what the Bible is saying. If you disagree with that then YOU are disagreeing with what the Bible is saying. The statement in the question WAS made by Jesus according to John 14:28 and the rhetorical question is quite valid. Also according to John 17:3 Jesus said “that they might know THEE the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ, whom THOU hast sent.” Who was the "THEE" the "THOU" and the "ONLY true God" Jesus was talking to? Many CHRISTIANS themselves, scholars and clergy included, do not believe Jesus to be God. Many do not believe in the trinity. One CHRISTIAN speaker, explaining Christianity to non Christians, was asked about the trinity at question time and he described it as a self inflicted wound. I don't know if William would describe himself as Christian or whether you would regard him as one but he has posted an answer to this question at http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/3020272 that you may like to consider. Can one blame these people for their beliefs when one bears in mind that nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say any of the following: - I am God - your God is made up of three persons - I am one of the persons that make up God - Worship me Below are not my or anyone else's opinions but some other references from the Bible itself that do not agree with the idea of Jesus being God. 1 The relationship between the “trinity partners” is not equal, it is clearly leader/follower in John 5:19, obedient servant in John 5:30 and faithful Messenger in John 8:28. 2 Jesus almost always calls himself “son of man” in preference to “son of God” and refused to acknowledge the title “son of God” in Luke 22:70 3 denied he was claiming divinity - John 10:32 4 said "Why do you call me good: No one is good but One, that is, God"- Matthew 19:17, Mark 10-18, and Luke 18:19 5 prayed - Matthew 14:23, 19:13, 26:39, 27:46, 26:42-44 and Luke 3:21, 5:16, 6:12, 9:18, 9:28, 11:1-4, 22:41 and John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15 - 6 said he was not all-knowing- Matthew 24:36 7 said that he and God had different wills - Matthew 26:39, John 5:30 and 6:38 8 sat at the right hand of God (not Father) - Mark 16:19 and Luke 22:69 9 was a prophet - Luke 7:16, 13:33, 24:19 and John 4:19 10 gave thanks - Luke 10:21, John 6:11 and 11:41-42 11 commended his spirit to God - Luke 23:46 12 was helpless - John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28 13 is shown by The Father - John 5:20 14 said his witness on its own was not true - John 5:31-32 15 said he was not the provider - John 6:32 16 he was from the Father - John 7:29, 16:5, 16:28 17 said his words were not his - John 7:16, 12:49, 14:24, 17:14 18 said he did not come of himself - John 8:42 19 said the Father is greater than all - John 10:29 20 followed commands - John 14:31 and 15:10 21 pleads that he has been a faithful Messenger - John 17:6-8 22 said he had a god - John 20:17 23 was "a man approved of God." - Acts 2:22 24 was an intercessor - Romans 8:34 25 was the mediator between God and humans -1 Timothy 2:5 etc. etc.

It's one of the many examples of internal contradiction in the Bible that require truly spectacular logical contortions to "explain". A couple examples from this very thread: Be careful dont oversimplify the Catholic Church.The Catholic Church has a double Trinity i.e some Catholics believe that The Trinity is Father Son and Mary. Some Catholics believe the Trinity is Father Son and Holy Spirit.There are even some Catholics who believe that Jesus is the ArchAngel Michael like the Jehovahs Witnesses do. and Jesus has two natures, human and divine. Jesus' human nature was in fact inferior to the Father. His divine nature was equal. and The Father is greater than the Son in position, but not greater in Divinity. They are not two spiritual beings, but One Being in Three Persons. (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.) I hope that this is helpful.

Well, that's just it! This duality of Jesus and God being one essence is one of those fallacies that has resulted since the true pure Gospel of Christ was upon the earth nearly 2000 years ago. Before niocene creed etc, it was known that the Father and the Son were 2 separate and distinct Beings. This was also verified to the young prophet, Joseph Smith, when both - the Father and the Son - appeared to him to call him to be the first prophet in restoring the true Church back to the earth with prophets and apostles to guide it as anciently and to bring the pure Gospel back to the earth again, in 1820. The Father is the Greatest of all, as Jesus said. That's also why He prayed to Him in the Heavens, and why the Father's voice was heard from Heaven at Jesus' baptism: "This is my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Should I break the news? Yeah...They don't exist.