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From a Watchtower 11/1/1999
When Was Jesus Born?
The Bible does not reveal the exact date of Jesus’ birth. It does say, however, that he was born “in the days of Herod the king.” (Matthew 2:1) Many Bible scholars believe that Herod died in the year 4 B.C.E. and that Jesus was born before then—perhaps as early as 5 or 6 B.C.E. They base their conclusions about Herod’s death on statements by the first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus.
According to Josephus, shortly before King Herod died, there was an eclipse of the moon. Bible scholars point to a partial lunar eclipse on March 11, 4 B.C.E., as proof that Herod must have died in that year. However, in the year 1 B.C.E., there was a total lunar eclipse on January 8 and a partial eclipse on December 27. No one can say whether Josephus was referring to one of the eclipses in 1 B.C.E. or to the one in 4 B.C.E. Consequently, we cannot use Josephus’ words to pinpoint the precise year of Herod’s death. Even if we could, without more information we still could not determine when Jesus was born.
The strongest evidence we have of the date of Jesus’ birth comes from the Bible. The inspired record states that Jesus’ cousin John the Baptizer began his career as a prophet in the 15th year of Roman Emperor Tiberius Caesar. (Luke 3:1, 2) Secular history confirms that Tiberius was named emperor on September 15, 14 C.E., so his 15th year would run from the latter part of 28 C.E. to the latter part of 29 C.E. John began his ministry during that time, and Jesus evidently started his ministry six months later. (Luke 1:24-31) This, combined with other evidence, would place the beginning of Jesus’ ministry in the fall of 29 C.E. The Bible states that Jesus was “about thirty years old” when he began his ministry. (Luke 3:23) If he was 30 years old in the fall of 29 C.E., he must have been born in the fall of 2 B.C.E. Now, if we count forward two thousand years from the fall of 2 B.C.E. (remembering that there was no zero year; hence, from 2 B.C.E. to 1 C.E. is two years), we realize that the second millennium ended and the third millennium began in the fall of 1999!
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by Texasescimo on October 3rd, 2010
Jesus never exist, you not consider Luke say Jesus born during Quirinius' census, Quirinius become governor 7 A.D., that conflict at Matthew say Jesus born few years before Herod die at 4 B.C., Joseph take him Egypt hide until Herod die, he cannot be born 4 B.C., Josephus' account of Jesus is addition Christians make about 300 years after Josephus-san die, is much proof it is forgery.
by Kobayashi on November 15th, 2010
What extra biblical evidence can you cite for this assertion? What about the rather large discontinuity evident among the fragmented early sects of the Christian cult?
by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on December 6th, 2010
Which part are you questioning?
Having read the Bible 6 times, you should be able to answer why there was a rather large discontinuity among early sects of those calling themselves Christians. Why don't you answer that part?
by Texasescimo on December 6th, 2010
The reason that there was a large discontinuity, in my opinion based on the disparities evident, is that either it is based on several various messianic figures that lived throughout the near east at the time or it is simply a fabrication from its inception.
by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on December 7th, 2010
I don't quote follow you. If they are sects calling themselves Christians, wouldn't they believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah?
I know that there have been some others that some of the Jews thought were the Messiah, but did any of their followers consider themselves Christians?
by Texasescimo on December 7th, 2010
I do not recall when the term Christian was first used, but I think it was some what after 200 or 300 AD. The earliest sects called themselves by the name of a leader or a locality.
by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on December 7th, 2010
Does Antioch ring a bell?
by Texasescimo on December 7th, 2010
Antioch is one place the claim is made.
by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on December 7th, 2010
Matthew say Jesus born few years before Herod die (that 4BC historians say), Luke say Jesus born during census Quirinius hold (that 7AD or later). Hominam not read Bible if not know that. Is quite obvious Matthew and Luke differ 14-24 years of year Jesus born. Even many Catholic scholars know Flavius Josephus' (37-95AD) mention of Jesus at "Antiquities..." is much later addition. Origen (185-254AD)and other Christian writers not know it exist, is too favorable at Jesus since Josephus-san is Pharasaic Jew not Christian, writer tell much more of many other men claim they are Messiahs, e.g. John the Baptist, passage out of context and thus unlike author's other writings, etc., ergo is obviously quite bad forgery of 300-400AD. Christians have tradition of deceit try support their beliefs since their religion begin.
by Komatsu on December 12th, 2010
That is the point, there are so many discontinuities in the New Testament of the Bible that it should be considered a complete fabrication, simply due to the lack of cohesion between the texts.
by AB is an asylum run by the inmates, ciao! on December 12th, 2010