by Hypocrisy_Central on November 18th, 2009

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Japan, Korea , and China have larger class sizes in their schools and they near everytime beat the stuffing out of US kids test scorewise. The argument that US kids can't learn in classes larger than 20 students seems like a pile of warm BS, don't it?

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by The Chief on November 18th, 2009
It is a huge pile of steaming BS.

The classes I had growing up were many times much greater than 20 kids.

And I'm a f*cking nuclear engineer now, fer cryin' out loud. And I wasn't the top of my classes by a long shot.
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- Maybe US kids have gone soft or the teachers just got lazier. 5+
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  by Seeya says Dont Ever Give Up on November 19th, 2009
- It's a combination of a lot of things. But essentially, there needs to be involvement from many different levels, most importantly the parents, students and teachers.
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  We have a habit in this country of placing blame anywhere EXCEPT with those ultimately responsible. And that starts with the parents.
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  It's all gotta be not enough money, too many students, lousy school system...you'll carefully note how PEOPLE are removed from the equation: blame everything on generalities and don't point a finger as any people...you might offend somebody.
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by Anonymous on November 18th, 2009
A lot of US kids are privileged, spoiled, pretentious and don't take school as seriously. So yeah, it is bs.
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- The proof seems to support that idea. 5+
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  by Hypocrisy_Central on November 19th, 2009
- I mean it's bs in terms of the fact that even if the classroom had 20- students, they still can't do as well or better than students in the countries you mentioned. :)
  Thank you for points. +5 to you.
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by spock's brain on November 19th, 2009
I think that smaller calls sizes THEORETICALLY give the teacher the opportunity to give more attention to students who are having problems.
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Whether or not this happens, I think, as more to do with the teachers attitude and dedication,.
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Class sizes were much larger when I was in school. Some teachers found the time for kids that needed a personal touch. Others gave a one size fits all presentation and, seemingly, could not have cared less about students the caned approach did not work for.
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Some were encouraging for those who needed it, others disparaging.
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I think parents also have to take a great deal of the credit or blame.
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I have heard that parents in Japan and China have and transmit to their kids high expectations t their kids and provide support and recognition.
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These factors, I suspect, have a much higher impact on scholastic achievment than just class size per se.
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- I think there is some merit in that. Unless US teachers are just less effective then their Asian counter parts. Them over there seem to be able to get more out of students even at larger class sizes, 4+
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by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on November 19th, 2009
its not the class size ..its what is being taught, they have gone away from the basic 3R's ... without them then the rest of the so called education is a waste. Don't believe me ...just look at how many can't spell, can't do simple maths , can't read and more often than not their writing makes doctors scrible look like prize winning hand writiing. They need to get back to the same education I had when I was a kid and yes that was 50 years ago! but I can tell you now the kids were a hell of a lot smarter than they are now
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- How was the size of the classes? I remember being in grade school and the class did not seem that small. Of course back then (some call it the Dark Ages) the teacher had sole control, and if you did not buckle down it meant a sore behind, either by the teacher or down in the office, and no one was going to say anything. You would never hear a kid cussing out the teacher because she was told to put her iPod away etc. 5+
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  by Hypocrisy_Central on November 19th, 2009
- my classes all had 35 kids in them and we had a very high rate of passes in all subjects and we could spell, do maths and read and comprehend what we were reading and all with NO electronic aids at all... just hard work!... and a rapt across the knuckles if we played up ...lol
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on November 19th, 2009
- Seems like sometimes when something works you should not tinker with it. The "lets all be friends to the kid" and not educators didn't seem all that hot. B-)
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- I agree, since I left school education has gone down hill fast and its showing
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by Talimze on November 18th, 2009
Not necessarily. They could be doing better for a different reason altogether.
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- We are suppose to be the best in the world and one of the richest. Is the only thing we can do better is building weapons? If they are doing it better, they are doing it with larger class sizes, so should we not follow suit? 2+
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- Well, we don't spend a lot of money on education in the US. We spend too much of it on the military. I'm sure if we cut military spending in half, we could double the budget of several other public programs and we would still be spending more than necessary on the military.
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by FishCat on November 18th, 2009
Education is not all about test scores.

There's a million things in education, artistic, musical, oratory skills, and life skills, that can't be measured in a test.
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- What stops kids from learning those things if there are 8 to 10 more students in the class? Seems it would only help their public speaking and social tolerance.
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