by Stronghart on March 23rd, 2007

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If you could snap your fingers and magically every illegal alien would be gone from the entire USA what do imagine would happen the next day?

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by Stronghart on September 30th, 2007

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We need these workers. the birth rate in the US is declining. Each new immigrant is a new consumer, a new saver, as well as a new taxpayer. Get them legal. Work on getting them to learn English. And most important teach American Values in our schools starting at the lowest levels and continuing through college. That would eliminate most of the problems brought up by the anti-immigrant factions.
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- That sounds like a good plan Strong but do we not also need to control our borders as well? If we make all who are here magically legal and eligible for all that encompasses will the flood not grow exponentially?
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  by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on September 30th, 2007
- Definitely control our borders; while admitting new legal immigrants. We'll shrivel and dry up without them.
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  by George Dufferin on October 1st, 2007
- Since when is an out of control rate of overpopulation a good thing either economically or otherwise?
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on March 10th, 2008
- Capt jack: Any industrialized country whose population does not increase is in danger of economic collapse. The birthrate must exceed the death rate for countries to continue to prosper. This is very basic economics.
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  Every Western European country and Japan are losing population. Any birthrate of less than 2 (actually 2.1) per female cause a reduction in population. Italy is in the worst shape as far as birthrate is concerned, but the others are also losing population.
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  Immigration is a necessity.
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  The same is not true for agricultural societies.
  which we ain't.
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  by Knock on June 29th, 2008
- I'm sorry that the facts above annoyed someone so much that he or she felt it necessary to anonymously D/R; but it is hard for many people to accept facts. They would rather persist in their own beliefs based on the opinions of their friends.
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  by Stronghart on October 28th, 2008
- We've been letting this problem fester for well on 40 years or more till it's gotten completely out of control.
  I am ALL for legal immigration that this country is founded on, but THAT is NOT the issue.
  There is a laundry list of things that are leading to the collapse of America.
  One is the corrupt government of Mexico itself going to extremes to push it's poverty stricken on us. One way is pamphlets printed in Spanish that give helpful hints on how to sneak across and avoid detection in coming to the "promised land".
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  Another big factor in this is this sickening feeling of entitlement that is growing so rampant in the U.S. so this "industrialized country" Knock speaks of is losing it's industry to countries that can compete with workers who don't demand as high of wages or benifits.
  Add to that that jobs here are being lost at an alarming rate by big corporations and companies that want to increase their profit margins by hiring illegal immigrants that they can pay less and not ...
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on October 29th, 2008
- ..have tax records for, thus stuffing their greedy little pockets at the cost of hurting our countries economic development overall.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on October 29th, 2008
- saying that it will hurt your countries economic developement brings in a completely different discussion between keynesian and classical economists, I'm pretty sure you'd have an increase of your economy to some extent due to lower costs which allows the firms to produce more etc etc etc. That this comes with inequity is the obvious downside... that employees would have less income and would therefore negatively shift aggregate demand and is worth the lower cost is the decade old discussion between keynesian and classical economists
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  by Sportsfanatic on November 5th, 2009
- Cap't Jack: None of the comments I have made on this subject for various iriterations of the question have ever asserted that we needed cheap labor.
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  My point regarding underpopulation and a declining birthrate is related to the way in which social security works in most industrialized countries. The younger workers pay for the retired workers. When FDR set up the social security program thee were 14 workers for each retiree and life expectancy for men was 65. As you know that has changed.
  
  If there are fewer younger workers then the cost of retirement payments becomes onerous. It's happening in all industrialized countries. the country affected most is Japan because of their rigid, uncompromising immigration policy. In fact, they have been relaxing that policy for the past few years..
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  by Knock on November 5th, 2009
- If there were more ppl out there like CaptainJack
  then us legal citizens wouldn't have to wait around
  4 an unemployment check. Go Jack, u really r a smart
  Captain!
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  by Bellesmom30 on March 22nd, 2010
- But they're not new taxpayers if all they're going to do is pick apples their entire lives. They'll be just more welfare recipients.
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  by Cowtipper on June 13th, 2010
- Knock: Immigration is good and helps economies to prosper.
  
  Illegal Immigration does not.
  
  Illegal Immigration sucks money out of economies, hurts employment of legal citizens, and causes violence and crime to spike.
  
  And Strong- legalizing illegal immigrants would be disastrous, and extremely unfair to those who are actually waiting in line to get in the legal way.
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  by Matthew on August 8th, 2010
- I don't discriminate against illegal aliens, but I've worked w/some who are very territorial, and fight over jobs; eliminating Americans from jobs, and replacing them w/their family members. If they are going to work in America they shouldn't try to take Americans out of jobs to replace them w/more family members they bring from their country. Americans need jobs. Not all illegal aliens are the same, some open their own business, and perhaps employ one or two Americans, but some use their businesses as cover up and are trafficking drugs into our country. These kind of immigrants give a bad reputation to other immigrants who respect America. Some drain the system, have 10 kids, while their boyfriends, uncles, brothers, etc live under the same roof working construction jobs that pay them &700-$800.00 wk. I've never made that amt of money in my life. It's not fair to neglect Americans, to take care of non-American citizens first. I say protect our borders, keep the immigrants that are already citizens, and teach these countries how to live the American dream in their land. Most immigrants love their country, but find America has more opportunity for them, and their families, therefore; we are now over populated, the un-employment rate is at it's highest. Some create daunting gangs even in our public schools, and place of employment to taunt ppl out of their jobs. Is this what we want for America? Again, I don't discriminate, but speak from personal experience. Keep the ppl that are already citizens protect our borders please. I not very academically educated, but it's pretty obvious America is no longer what it used to be due to these un-foreseen problems.
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  by Tired40 on May 3rd, 2011
- in your question you talk about 'illegal' immigrants, in your response (to your own question) you make no mention of the word illegal. this tells me that you are trying to mince words to make your point. you have defeated your own argument. you lost.
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  by TonieMoral on June 2nd, 2011
- Why Immigration Won't Fix Social Security
  By Megan McArdle
  Sep 30 2011, 11:51 AM ET
  Periodically in some debate over social security and entitlements, someone will suggest that we simply throw open the immigration doors and let young, fresh immigrants come in and rebuild the bottom of the Ponzi scheme pyramid. I used to think this was a good idea, but (while I remain in favor of more open immigration), I'm not sure it will work, for the reasons outlined below:
  
  1. The places that send us immigrants aren't having so many kids. Phillip Longman has a piece in the new issue of Foreign Policy which points out how dramatic a demographic transition the world is undergoing:
  
  Indeed, the U.N. projects that by 2025, the population of children under 5, already in steep decline in most developed countries, will be falling globally -- and that's even after assuming a substantial rebound in birth rates in the developing world. A gray tsunami will be sweeping the planet.
  
  . . . Because of the phenomenon of hyper-aging in the developing world, another great variable is already changing as well: migration. In Mexico, for example, the population of children age 4 and under was 434,000 less in 2010 than it was in 1996. The result? The demographic momentum that fueled huge flows of Mexican migration to the United States has waned, and will wane much more in the future. Already, the net flow of illegal Mexican immigration northward has slowed to a trickle. With fewer children to support and not yet burdened by a huge surge of elders, the Mexican economy is doing much better than in the past, giving people less reason to leave. By 2025, young people on both sides of the border may struggle to understand why their parents' generation built this huge fence.
  Even if we wanted to go this route, it would probably be at best a stopgap.
  
  2. The workers who most want to come aren't the same as the workers who are already here. Social Security does not just depend on the existing pool of workers; it depends on their output. You cannot keep the pyramid going by replacing each retiring public accountant with 1.5 cleaning ladies and carpenters. While there are certainly lots of highly skilled immigrants who want to come here, it's far from clear that the math works for social security. To be clear, that's not a brief against letting lower-skilled workers come in; they are a valuable complement to higher-skilled workers. But they cannot en masse shore up social security's finances, especially since they too will eventually collect it--and social security's benefit structure is progressive.
  
  3. America's capital is cultural as much as financial and physical. We cannot bring in so many immigrants that we swamp the institutional structures: trust, rule of law, common norms about commercial behavior--that make us wealthy. I think that America can absorb more immigrants than it does--and should. But I am skeptical that it can absorb enough to keep the pyramid going.
  
  4. An aging America is one that is going to be politically resistant to change. Immigrants change things. Therefore, politically this solution is going to be very tricky. Which probably makes my other three points irrelevant.
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by Knock on June 29th, 2008

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Any industrialized country whose population does not increase is in danger of economic collapse. The birthrate must exceed the death rate for countries to continue to prosper. This is very basic economics.
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Every Western European country and Japan are losing population. Any birthrate of less than 2 (actually 2.1) per female cause a reduction in population. Italy is in the worst shape as far as birthrate is concerned, but the others are also losing population.
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Immigration is a necessity.
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The same is not true for agricultural societies.
Which we ain't.
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- If you want to strengthen the US economy you must allow for population growth by immigration.
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  by Stronghart on March 16th, 2009
- Some coward down-rated this answer without explanation. I don't mind being D/R'ed but I deserve an explanation. Unless, that is, the down-rater is incapable of writing an explanation.
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  by Knock on March 16th, 2009
- the United states is over populated as it is right now it cn not sustain all it is taking in because people want free handouts but dont want to pay into it, the problem in the US is we take in more poor immigrants who need medical and food assistance then what are paying into it eventually this will change as the immigration slows and those who are here say 3rd generation are working and are productive in society that is if they do and are
  
  we are on generation 4&5 who are not working and not paying into the pool of money but are still continuing to take along with racist workers who have taken over the social system they scream racism when they are denied a right but scream it was fare when denying some one else a right
  
  it is reverse racism they come here illegally and demand rights when they are breaking the very laws they claim they want and bleeding hearts give in yes it is a sad situation no matter what but at some point you have to stop and say enough is enough when it is hurting your family
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  by Tux The Magic Dragon on August 24th, 2010
- If that's true, then what will happen when most of the world is industrialized? For some countries to grow from immigration, others have to shrink. The world population simply cannot be allowed to grow indefinitely, so the world economy will have to find a way to prosper with a steady state population. That means individual countries will also have to find ways to prosper with steady state populations.
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  by HungryGuy on January 31st, 2011
- And if birth rates continue to outpace death rates indefinitely . . . . . . ?
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  by canoeguide on February 23rd, 2011
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by WilliamNagle on January 13th, 2008

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From: wave@frontlinethoughts.com
How to Create an Immigration Depression by John Mauldin

The call by Huckabee and others to deport 12,000,000 illegal immigrants is simply economic suicide. It would create a depression (not just a minor recession) in short order. Let's reduce productivity by 10-15%. Let's reduce consumer spending by 7-8%. Shut down hundreds of thousands of businesses who could not get workers they need. Who will pick the crops? Or do any of a hundred jobs that Americans don't want to do? It would drive up labor costs and create inflation. It would be a disaster of Biblical proportions.

Now, I am all for controlling the border. I want to know who is coming in. But we have to deal with reality, and the reality is that we need those workers who are here. The economy simply will not function without them. You can't send them home and then tell them to apply and hope they can get back in, and then expect business to function as usual. It will take years for a bureaucracy to handle the paperwork.

Go ahead. Close the borders. Find out who is here illegally and make sure they do not have a criminal record. If so, they go. The rest need to get documented, and we need to radically increase the number of immigrants we allow (after we control the borders!), especially educated workers who can help us build our knowledge economy.

And yes, this is amnesty. That is the cost of not controlling the border all these years. Nothing we can do about it, unless we want to shoot ourselves in both feet just to prove a point. Sounds rather dumb to me.

The great irony is that within ten years we are going to need even more immigrants to replace retiring boomers, as well as to pay into social security and Medicare programs. We are going to be competing with Europe for those immigrants. We need to get a head start.

And yes, it is a lot more complex than this quick analysis. But pandering to voters who for whatever reason want to stop illegal immigration by throwing out everyone who is here illegally is not the answer. Establish fines, require documents, whatever. But recognize reality and stop telling voters what they want to hear when your policies simply cannot work and will be destructive. John Mauldin

wave@frontlinethoughts.com
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- Top line analysis. This man reads his Bible I am sure. Read yours' too.
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  by Sally-The Redhead on January 13th, 2008
- Since your answer contains questions, allow me to answer them:
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  Who will pick the crops? Americans will, just as they did when the country was founded.
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  Or do any of a hundred jobs that Americans don't want to do? Well, once again, Americans will do those jobs. 93% of Americans who are working are doing jobs they don’t want to do. Of course, this does not stop people from doing those jobs.
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  by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on July 24th, 2009
- Oh yeah, trying running a farm. Try harvesting the potatoes without immigrants. Legal or illegal.No one is stopping these americans that you refer to, by the way.
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  by Sally-The Redhead on July 28th, 2009
- Actually, my inlaws are farmers and have run a farm for several generations. And your comment just indicates your ignorance towards the economic realities of labor. Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes and tend to live in communal environments, sending most of their income out of the country. Thus, they are able to survive off a lower income than legal workers.
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  by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on July 29th, 2009
- What kind of a farm do they run/what crops do they grow?
  Americans would work those jobs, as soon as the opportunity cost is covered, meaning you'd have to pay workers a lot more than the so called aliens are getting, which would drive up farmers costs, and further increase the price for basic goods which would cause massive inflation ruining your economy.
  
  And are you really comparing yourself to the founders of your country? not the best of people to emulate yourself with...
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  by Sportsfanatic on November 5th, 2009
- The only correct part of your comment is that the price of labor would go up if we got rid of the illegal workforce. Of course, what you fail to account for is the $16 billion in farm subsidies the U.S. government currently pays to incentive farmers NOT to produce. These subsidies exist because the cost of farming is TOO LOW, and thus farms could not survive if the government did no subsidize. In other words, the cost of produce is already higher than the sticker price. The only difference is that now you pay some of the cost to the producer and the store, and the rest to the government.
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  And no, I did not compare myself to the founding fathers. However, this country would be a far better place if more people thought like them.
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by FreeRadical Jetpacking for Nelson on May 19th, 2007

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Havok. Both parties see the enormous contributions these people make to our society. It's time to treat them with respect.
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by The Chief on August 16th, 2011

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Well, if we put no time limit on this, I rather imagine the Native Americans would be having quite a party.

:):)
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Economic growth is driven by two factors, productivity and population growth. //The US is not growing its population except by immigration. To maintain a constant population level, the birth rate must exceed 2.1 per woman. Our birth rate is shrinking (like Japan's and like all other industrialized countries.)
Social Security would not be in trouble if the population would expand. Tax collections would increase and the tax rate could be cut. Without population growth taxes will increase.
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Native Americans would get all their land back and I'd have to learn Swedish.
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by MaineMoody on May 19th, 2007
In Maine it is immigrants, legal and illegal who do mist of the grunt work on farms and in tourist areas. We need them.
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- so keep the legal ones and make the illegals obtain citizenship.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- I could agree with making it easier for them to be legal--guest worker program or quicker path to citizenship. The don't need to be illegal. We could ammend our laws to make places for these people,who, after all, are here only to put a roof over the heads of their families, and food on their tables.
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  by MaineMoody on November 15th, 2007
- There's already a system in place for people to obtain legal citizenship, and I don't necessarily think that "making it easier" is going to alleviate the current problem at all. In fact, it could make things a whole lot worse - for all of us.
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by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on March 23rd, 2007
A lot of Americans would get jobs, some prices would go up, but it would balance out. More otherwise povertous Americans would have an actual chance at employment, the rate of homelessness would drop. More room in shelters from this means the people who are there recieve better care, more and better distribution of funds. Some skill-less Americans would find that there are jobs for them now, no matter how undesirable, they pay. Anyone dissatified with these undesirable jobs would be more driven toward returning to colleges.

America could really pick back up.

I'm all for equal opportunity, but illegals bieng here does slight the process. Companies might end up paying out a little more, but nothing compared to the fines they would have to pay if they were caught with the illegals working.

I'm not trying to be insensitive to these people.
I just think that if some Americans had a fair shot at a job that paid anything at all they would take it. Right now, a lot of Americans cannot find a job, despite application after application. In a lot of these cases, the people holding the jobs up are illegals(from what I have been told; what I understand).

So it only makes sense to me that more Americans in more American jobs could only be a positive thing.

Undesirable jobs can be desirable for those of us who really need a job.
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- points... you'll get more points if you edit one of your answers out. Just EDIT then type in "answer deleted." Most folks bypass double posts without responding.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on March 23rd, 2007
- WRONG -- you would go to the supermarket and it would be empty -- no immigrants to help on the farms means no food.
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  by unknown on March 23rd, 2007
- better? AB should have an option to delete a post in the first 5 minutes, just for such an occasion! Also @Samuel: My mom worked on a farm, and for what they charge for fresh produce already, they can afford American workers. I grow my own vegetables. Other people can farm too. Farming has been done for ages, before the immigrant problem. It will carry on for long after this poblem has been sorted! We do not need the illegals to do these jobs, Americans are capable.
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on March 23rd, 2007
- They are capable, but they have to paid more, so prices go up. Also, there would be a huge shortage of workers: sadly very few Americans are willing to work out in the field.
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  by unknown on March 23rd, 2007
- Z: much better.
  RE: Samuel: A little field experience would do us all some good. Maybe we could all donate some time in the summer for a share of food. Summertime, after-all, was originally given as vacation time from schooling so people could harvest.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on March 23rd, 2007
- @Samuel:I don't think that is true. Field work would be good for most of us. Some Americans, who cannot find a job right now at all, would be happy to do ANY job and get paid about ANYTHING. My ex worked for sometimes less than $10 a day doing tree work. He's an American citizen (born here) and tree work isn't exactly a desirable job. Especially since sometimes he worked 10-16 hours for that money. It was under the table. I have to use him as an example here. He couldn't find a better job, no one would hire him, but he did that just to bring *something* in.
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on March 23rd, 2007
- Exactly true RF. Although a lot of harvesting is done in September as well.
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on March 23rd, 2007
- I knew "harvesting" was a poor choice of words, because the entire process of planting, weeding, harvesting is a seasonal occupation. I suppose cabbage is even cut until the first hard freeze.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on March 24th, 2007
- yes, I think weeding is the worst part.... unless you consider corn *shudders*. Ever detassled corn? *OUCH*
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on March 24th, 2007
- CORN tassles? No. Being in that field sounds hot and claustrophobic.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on March 24th, 2007
- corn has sharp leaves like pampas grass.
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on March 24th, 2007
- What is your agricultural answer? That apples would go to $4.00 each with American pickers? There are 15,000,000, illegals in the US today and the vast majority are working their asses off, not sitting on their asses. The unemployement rate is less than 5%, and many of these people are professionals between jobs. Are they going to begin to wash dishes and floors? Or pick grapes? There is one answer: legalize all aliens and let them begin to contribute to social security (in other words pay the money that will pay for your check) and pay other taxes too, thus reducing the general tax rate.
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  by centrator on March 24th, 2007
- How many Americans would be willing to work for 5 or 6 bucks an hour? Less than 1% I think -- so there would be too little food and prices would skyrocket.
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  by unknown on March 25th, 2007
- England, France, Spain, Etc. don't have Mexicans working their fields, and there produce gets harvested and sent to market. It is affordable. Don't tell me the French have a harder work ethic than Americans. Perhaps welfare pays better than farm work. Is the government encouraging people NOT to work and thus providing job openings for immigrants?
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on March 25th, 2007
- France has a ton of immigrants too, also Spain.
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  by unknown on March 29th, 2007
- Zandalee I echo everything you said. I am not prejudice against them, but they are becoming an infestation and they are committing too many crimes.
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  by Yeux on April 9th, 2007
- thanks Pathia... @samuel: almost everyone I know works for about $6 an hour. Why would it be any different if they worked in a field? My sister works for $2.53 an hour plus tips which are far and few between. (she might get 10-15 dollars per week in tip-outs). I really don't get what you are going on about! Fruit and vegetables are already ridiculously priced, don't tell me they can't afford American workers. (ex: one bell pepper for $1.89 or a bag of apples for $5 + )
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on April 9th, 2007
- Awesome answer! +5
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  by science_geek on April 10th, 2007
- Great. So snapp your fingers and see.
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  by unknown on April 10th, 2007
- Mexicans were doing farm labor 30 years ago. The difference is that they had work permits, thus legal visas, and returned to Mexico when the season was over. They could easily make more money here in 5-6 months of farming than in a year in Mexico. The same could still be true.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on April 10th, 2007
- A wildly optimistic answer. Also, Europe has North Africans and Eastern Europeans for their cheap labour.
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  by go_to_hellas on April 11th, 2007
- If Americans are too proud to farm, and many are not, then that is a good argument FOR sending the cheap labor home and putting the Americans to work. Farm labor builds character faster than working at the mall.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on April 11th, 2007
- I agree with that.. Nothin' like hoeing onions or bucking bales of hay et cetera to build you character.
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  by science_geek on April 12th, 2007
- The only Character Americans build anymore is lego Mickey Mouse statues..... sad. lol... Maybe there would be more people of better character if I "snapped my fingers"
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on April 13th, 2007
- I think you have a lot of character and seem to know a lot of hard working western NC'ers that do as well. Now, concerning the whiny journalists on TV and in print, I'd like to see them spend a summer tassling corn or trimming Christmas trees for a season just to afford a 30 year old mobile home and matching pickup.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on April 13th, 2007
- well, thanks! I would too.... it would be really funny!
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on April 13th, 2007
- I completely disagree. We have a lot of unfilled jobs here and none of these unemployed American citizens you talk about even bother to apply for them. And these are not even bad or low paying jobs. Why on earth would they when they can just cash a government check. I believe that if a person is unemployed it is because they don't want to work. If Americans were willing to do the jobs illegals do then there wouldn't be anything attracting the illegals here in the first place. I just don't see things the same way you do.
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  by unknown on May 19th, 2007
- unemployment rate is at 4.5%(+/-) for a few years. We need these workers and they add to the economy. Make them citizens.
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  by Stronghart on May 19th, 2007
- And I like to live in happy dream world too!
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  by Nelson - Jetpacking from bed on May 19th, 2007
- I agree Stronghart.
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  by unknown on May 19th, 2007
- idne: I have to disagree that if a person is unemployed it is because they don't want to work. I've been job hunting for months upon months and haven't found a job yet. I even resorting to applying for restaurant jobs in the meantime, but you know what? There WEREN'T any! It took me 2+ months of checking the newspapers every day and driving door-to-door and asking businesses if they were hiring before I finally found a place that was. It wasn't like I could just go apply for a secretarial job or something, because I don't have the skills. Likewise for any other kind of job I'm not qualified for. Just because there are jobs out there, doesn't mean they are the right type of job for the person who is seeking employment.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- Well I disagree with not applying for jobs you aren't qualified to do. You should do that. There is a possibility that you will be the best candidate for the job. You never know. And it really depends on where you live too. Here we are in a serious shortage of workers in most areas. But because of other factors no one wants to work here. That will be changing soon, I hope. And I was only making a general statement. It wasn't meant to be aimed at a particular individual or a certain circumstance. In general, in the US, if you aren't working it's because you don't want to be.
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  by unknown on July 17th, 2007
- Doobie, thanks for sharing your exprience. Idne, you are, well, wrong. Sorry sweetheart, I am only bieng honest. I know many people who are looking for jobs... many... despite the supposed unemployment rate... ( the figures must be skewed) My sister (other sister) has applications in in several places. She goes to the ESC every week and fills out applications. She goes from restaurant to restaurant filling out even more. You cannot, honestly think that you can be given a job for which you are not qualified. Otherwise I could be your surgeon next week. It doesn't work that way. Factories, restaurants, etc. lots of applications, 8 months, no job.
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on July 17th, 2007
- Do you really think she hasn't even been given so much as an interview because she does not WANT to work? I don't think so. I want to work but cannot due to disability... one of those people who "sits on their arse, collecting government money" which, for your information was a very long, hard, and arduous process in and of itself. I collect a scant amount, not even quite enough to live on. You think it's fun? You think it's easy? I don't think so, grab a clue! I wouldn't be collecting if I didn't HAVE to. (other) People who want jobs aren't getting them because of the alien workforce. It is not because they don't want them.
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on July 17th, 2007
- Zandalee, I'm not sure why but people seem to think that a low unemployment rate means it will be easier to find a job. When the unemployment rate is low, that usually means most of the jobs are already FILLED - which makes it terribly difficult to find one no matter how hard you look. idne: I certainly wouldn't apply for jobs I'm not qualified for. It's a waste of MY time, and a waste of the employer's time (having to sort through piles of resumes from people who clearly aren't qualified for the job in order to find a few from people who actually have the skills needed). If we were talking about some unskilled trade, then sure I might be able to get a job bagging groceries at the local supermarket, but I am not an unskilled worker and I firmly believe in keeping those jobs for the people who need them.
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  by Anonymous on July 18th, 2007
- I am not talking about individuals. I am making generalizations. And yes, you can be hired to do jobs where you are not qualified, it happens all the time. You should apply all over and for all kinds of jobs when looking. You will never get a job you do not apply for. And y'all should move here. We have plenty of jobs in all kinds of areas.
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  by unknown on July 18th, 2007
- Illegal aliens comprise 30% of the farm workers. If they all vanished, the remaining 70% would most likely get a raise.
  Seriously, illegal aliens keep wages low for all trade and low skilled jobs. Any US kid getting out of high school will be working at a much lower rate as a result......or living with Mom and Dad. (The influx of illegals and the resulting wage depression is the primary reason the minimum wage has only just been raised after TEN years.) Hi Zandy, long time, no see.
  Blessed be.
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  by Mirage V2.0 AWOL on July 26th, 2007
- MM Mirage! Thank you for your input! If only everyone could open their eyes lol. Where have you been? BB
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on July 27th, 2007
- Farm markets manage just fine to offer produce at reasonable prices. They do so without, for the most part, illegal labor. Maybe, without illegal immigrants, the smaller, family-type farms could begin coming back from the edge of extinction.
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  by Keysha on August 7th, 2007
- Oh hi Keysha, MM! Thanks for your support on this issue. I saw you had respoded and my heart dropped a bit. I was kind of afraid I offended you. I wouldn't want that lol. Thanks so much for your response! BB
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  by Zandalee.Lonely.Lunatic.3yrs-here on August 8th, 2007
- Great answer Zandalee!
  ;-{D~
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on November 16th, 2007
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by unknown on May 19th, 2007
I think if illegals were to suddenly disappear we would realize the enormous contribution they make to our country and that all the negative things being said about them are greatly exaggerated. We would find that they are not the drain on our society that some believe them to be. I say they should be able to come and work here legally and pay into the system and the illegal problem would be solved.
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- I can't stand to see your response down here so I'll try to give you a few more now that I've raised my levels:-)
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  by Galeanda on July 13th, 2007
- Thanks galeanda. You're so sweet. :)
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  by unknown on July 13th, 2007
- Beuatiful answer from the most beautiful actress ever to work in Hollywood.
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  by George Dufferin on October 1st, 2007
- I thank you and Ava thanks you. :)
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  by unknown on October 1st, 2007
- true ,if you consider ,rape ,murder and other acts of violence contributions to society.
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  by koldkanuck on December 17th, 2007
- For Pete's sake, illegals are not anymore to blame for that then any other group.
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  by unknown on December 17th, 2007
- i so agree with you idne. and if you koldkanuck don't watch much of T.V you should start, or pick up a newspaper every once in a while and you'll see that it is every single race doing a little bit of everything. it's all equally done by everyone.im not gonna say they don't do that because they all do it does'nt matter what they are or where they come from. and you might have seen alot of hispanics commit violence and all this other stuff but i can guarantee you that those are citizens that were born here in the US.
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  by ilovemykids2 on June 28th, 2008
- Thanks, shy girl. :)
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  by unknown on June 28th, 2008
- You're right the legals are to blame also lol
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by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
Let's say I break into your house

A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!! It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

Her point:
Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.

Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors.

I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).
According to the protesters: You are Required to let me stay in your house

You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan

You are Required to Educate my kid(s).

You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family

(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself.

I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.

And what a deal it is for me!!!

I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.

Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.

Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?!

Only in America .....if you agree, pass it on (in English). Share it if you see the value of it.

If not blow it off......... along with your future Social Security funds, and a lot of other things.
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- Brilliant. I wish I would have thought of putting it that way.
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- Glad you agree!
  I may have misjudged you.
  I'm sure I'll get bashed for it same as my last answer to this question.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- Stay with me for a minute. If illegal immigration was being handled by 12 free thinking American empaneled jurist, rather than politicians. That have high dollar contributing lobbyist to answer to. I think the simple conviction would. GUILTY! With immediate expulsion to immediately follow. But hey that's me, thats how I roll. I have no interest to learn Spanish. I'm very content with English. Old World or otherwise.
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- Agreed!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- I be takin it to Davey Jones Locker, argh!
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- Another good answer, Captain!
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  by Cynstriss on September 30th, 2007
- Thanks Cyn let's see if it holds up to those that want to coddle illegals!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- It's so insane. I wish I could qualify for all the benefits they get. When I lived up in Northern California, I had many neighbors who were illegal. This one couple in particular told me all about the programs they had signed up for. They paid 1/3 of the rent that I did, got free groceries from several different churches, got breaks on all of their utilities, and got free daycare for their four children. And, did I mention, they had a brand new Hummer? How in the world is that fair?
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  by Cynstriss on September 30th, 2007
- cyntriss and Capt Jack. It's a mystery to me how illegal aliens allow themselves to be abandoned by their home country of Mexico. I think there being exploited twice. Initially by Mexico for not being concerned whether they live or die. Then by the employers here in the states that reap the benefit of having them basically working for nothing. It is pretty shrewed of Mexico to ignore the problem, and have the idiot tax payers of the US footing the bill. Breaking the law to get here, thats right way to start off isn't it? I think the immigration service has all the necessary immigration forms printed in Spanish available at most US Embassy's and Consulates around Mexico. Just thought I'd share that.
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- I agree they have opportunities and advocates en masse. I don't understand why they don't take advantage and become legal. In fact, I posed that very question here and only got two responses: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/402865
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  by Cynstriss on September 30th, 2007
- Well I'll be going green and recycling on this one. ;)
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- Ha ha! All that paperwork and no one to fill it out!
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  by Cynstriss on September 30th, 2007
- Ok if I recycle there too?
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- @the answer. Outstanding.
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  by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on September 30th, 2007
- OK by me!
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- Recycle away!
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  by Cynstriss on September 30th, 2007
- I already got stabbed -5 LOL
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- I'm maxed out for you, but I'm sure you will be OK. It's amazing how many people cannot come forward and admit they disagree with you. I always give points for all answers, even if the responder opines differently to me. I can respect that. But a coward has nothing worth respecting.
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  by Cynstriss on September 30th, 2007
- See I don't get the whole dinging points off of answers at all. You ask a question, aren't you basically soliciting responses to the question? Good with the bad, intelligent with the ignorant. It's got to be the rush of knowing you did it, and not being able to share it with others.
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- I agree, it makes no sense. I have yet to give a negative to anyone. I think you are right, it's got to be some sort of rush for those who do it.
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  by Cynstriss on September 30th, 2007
- Only a mutinous scoundrel will ding an awesome answer like Capt Jacks!
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  by Scooter on September 30th, 2007
- I agree with you there Scooter!
  I got run over by a cross post there
  Your very kind Scooter
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- Hey, Captain, didn't I send you this little beauty? Or did you send it to me?
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on September 30th, 2007
- Yer missing a hell of a party on Jay's "What do I have to do to get you attention?" My answer!
  And I sent it to you, but you sent it back as usual in a bulk email! LOL
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1450573
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on September 30th, 2007
- Whoops! I keep forgetting who sent me what when I send stuff out. Tell me about. If I leave anybody out I get hell for it.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on September 30th, 2007
- Mabe the Cap't could give credit to the person who actually wrote his answer. I've seen it on the net too many times. It's one of thse self-righteous, sef-justifying answers that seems so right until one thinks it through. Of course, there are some who can't think things through...
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  by centrator on October 1st, 2007
- Centrator, this is exactly how it is. They come here illegaly and then want not only the rights they don't deserve, but special treatment. If you want I could find the quotes I have from the people at the fore front of that movemnet. They'd make the Klan proud with all the hate in them. But thanks for the condasending remark as always.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on October 1st, 2007
- I'd love to credit the actual writer! I truly would! But she said exactly what I felt so eloquently, I'd be plagiarizing it anyway by restating the same feelings in different words.
  The point is, it's exactly what the problem IS right now!
  If these people stood up to their own corrupt government and changed things in the country they seem to want to turn this one into by not wanting to assimilate into it the same EXACT way that the Germans, Jewish, Irish, Scottish, British, Swedish, Hungarian, Latvian, Scandinavian, Lithuanian, Russian, French, etc. and so on HAD to! People see to all to easily forget how hard the struggle was when the country had a lot more room for immigrants that wanted DESPERATELY to BE AMERICAN, not to glorify where they abandoned!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on October 1st, 2007
- Capt Jack & Princess, I concur. It's a damn outrage!
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  by Scooter on October 2nd, 2007
- If they all want to earn a living, they should all join our fine Americans in the military and be sent to fight in the war. Then we'll see who loves this country verses how many run back to their own.
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  by Cynstriss on October 2nd, 2007
- Or place a bounty on the head of every verifiable illegal alien in the country. And have the INS paying a $1,000.00 bounty for everyone turned over to them. Hell I could quit my dead end job, and clean up. And once the word got out back home that there being hunted like deer, they may not be compelled to come in the first place.
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  by Scooter on October 2nd, 2007
- Sounds good to me, scooter. They'd be easy to catch. Just go to your local welfare office. There's usally about a dozen of them there.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on October 2nd, 2007
- Looks like I really stirred up some ultra-liberals the other day I'm getting trolled up the wahzoo on anything political lately.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on November 15th, 2007
- You know what? You all know I'm expecting. My husband is self-employed. We can't afford insurance. We make 2% of the poverty level ABOVE the Medicaid cut-off point. Effectively, we're $10 a month too rich to get the benefits we've been paying into a combined 30 YEARS. But Maria Valez down the road who skipped the border? No one even ASKS how much money she makes. She gets INSTANT benefits. What the HELL?
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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on December 17th, 2007
- A perfect example of what is wrong with the immigration system. A citizen should not be denied medical care while an illegal alien gets all they need at no cost or very low cost. It is absurd. I am sorry for your circumstances, Lady Alathia. The same thing happened to my niece. It took them three years to pay for the delivery of their baby, because they could not afford any insurance. Fortunately they have coverage now, but it was a struggle for awhile. I am so sick of this situation.
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  by Cynstriss on December 17th, 2007
- HOLY CRAP!!!
  I JUST got a call from Medicaid saying they screwed up and I DO get benefits!!
  w00t!
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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on December 17th, 2007
- Excellent news for you! Congratulations!
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  by Cynstriss on December 17th, 2007
- That'll show me to complain!
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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on December 17th, 2007
- Good for you, Lady Alanthia. I'm gald it worked out for you. I just got told I'm losing my benifits for food stamps because I make 130% over the cap. Funny thing is I'm making $8.oo an hour at only 25 hours a week and this percentage is the same as when I worked 40 hours a week at $8.00 an hour. She also didn't take out my child support I pay or my daycare costs like she's suppost too. And you'd better believe I'm pointing that out to her an her boss. I already told her boss I wanted a new case worker because she screws things up and doesn't know the sytem. Now I have proff.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on December 17th, 2007
- Damn! Just when I start to have faith in the system again.
  I should have known better... my stepfather broke his back 15 years ago. He applied for Medicare and all of that (because he couldn't WORK) and they THREW OUT HIS APPLICATION. THREE TIMES. Because they though he SPELLED HIS NAME WRONG.
  His name is Rodger. Apparently, people with "d"s in their names don't qualify for medicare.
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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on December 18th, 2007
- "D" is for denial. I hope to hell that wasn't the reason. But it sounds stupid enough to be possible. I hope it worked out for him in the in!
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  by Scooter on December 18th, 2007
- It did. He ended up hiring a lawyer against Social Security and Medicare... I am still baffled that they thought the man couldn't spell his own name. I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't been there for the meeting with the Medicare case worker.
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  by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on December 18th, 2007
- It's the government play book. It's a mystery to everyone. Once you understand the way things are done, your eliminated!
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  by Scooter on December 18th, 2007
- Bad analogy a country is not private property. If so everyone can force anyone legal or not legal to leave because at the end it is your home and you can kick out even your own children if you want to can't you? Analogy failed.
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  by ellesheen on May 20th, 2010
- Don't forget the part where your company went into their neighborhood and ,with the help if a corrupt mayor, took away their land and livelihood.
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  by branciforte3241 on March 27th, 2011
- While I generally agree with the moral ambiguity of the fact that immigrants are sneaking over the borders, we must admit that we created this problem ourselves. The government did nothing to stop the tide of immigrants and now, fifty years later, there are 50 million Latinos in the country. That accounts for a massive percentage of our country's population. These are people that DO work and DO spend, regardless of the fact that many live below the poverty line and work minimum wage jobs. The fact that they spend money helps the economy, and if you are under the impression that there are 50 or even ten million Latinos that don't work at all, you are sorely mistaken. The census itself is against you in that assumption. Whether or not they should be there is not the point. The fact is that they are here and we must decide what is to be done.
  
  There is absolutely no way that the United States has the ability to locate and deport more than 15 million illegals from our country. It is simply impossible. There are only 2.8 million people in our armed forces, most of whom are overseas, which means the sheer scale of the job makes it impractical. The U.S. can't even stem the tide of immigrants coming in! What makes you think they can kick them out?
  
  The only solution is to consider them a resource instead of a problem. In America the movie industry depends on migrant workers. Even the movie industry! Turning your back on so much cheap labor and free capital is ludicrous.
  
  Face the facts, the Mexicans are here to stay, so stop whining about whats fair and start thinking about what makes sense. Unless you have a few billion stashed away that you're willing to spend to kick the Latinos out?
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  by John_H8356 on March 29th, 2011
- A lot of non-relevant argument. We need to keep a growing population. Contrary to tea party thinking illegal aliens use no more services than native born people of the same economic status. If we want a Japanese style stagnant economy then, yes, we should fence ourselves in and bury our heads in the sand. An expanding population is necessary for an expanding economy.
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by anglrckx on May 19th, 2007
I would still be hungover from the party. There would be lots of change...........but it would be all good.
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- well at least i answered the quetion the way I wanted to. so who downrated me.
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  by anglrckx on May 19th, 2007
- Dunno. You got +3 from me.
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  by Meow Meow 1BadMutha TBMF on July 17th, 2007
- thanks!
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  by anglrckx on July 18th, 2007
- And +3 from me as well! ;-{D~
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 18th, 2007
- where have you been captain???
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  by anglrckx on July 18th, 2007
- Been here but somehow missed this response here, sorry.
  I know it seems like you came back out of nowhere lately though.
  How are things? Been busy?
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on August 5th, 2008
- I would be celebrating with u! And then maybe finally I wud
  get a job since immagrants have all our jobs.
  Oh and I'd be relieved that when I order food the cashier
  & I understand eachother bcuz he/she would actually speak
  ENGLISH!! So many ppl disagree w/ us angl but that's bcuz
  "Our" countrys population is overwhelmed w/ immagrants &
  those ppl r most likely immagrants themselves.
  I say "adios" to illegals!
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by unknown on March 23rd, 2007
You would go to the supermarket and it would be empty -- no immigrants to help on the farms means no food. The little food that would be there would be way to expensive. The country would really go down the drain.
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- Are you saying it's ok to underpay workers?
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  by Yeux on April 9th, 2007
- No, pay minimum wage.
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  by unknown on April 9th, 2007
- Who's going to get that minimum wage, citizens who would pay taxes to support illegals who suck off welfare? Or illegals who would thumb their noses at this country and use the proceeds to bring more here to demolish this country?
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on April 10th, 2007
- Who can live off minimum wage? The illegals do not. Many in my area work jobs off the records and their wives/girlfriends/families collect government benefits. I know there are legal citizens that abuse the system also, but when you have a fake identity it is easier to cheat the system. Also how many of these employers hire white people? You say its because we as legals do not WANT to work the jobs, I have lived first hand the discrimination of being WHITE when they employer wanted to hire cheap illegals. If there were no illegals, the jobs would be done... saying that no one would do them is ludicrous. The jobs were done before this epidemic. Even I have washed dishes and done housekeeping to make ends meet. Anyway I am fairly ignorant on this subject, I just wanted to add that.
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  by Freenstrongmom on May 19th, 2007
- Samuel911 I want to make a distinction, I'm ALL FOR Immigration, it's what this country is founded on! I just don't like how this country is going to hell because of it drowning in ILLEGALS!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on May 19th, 2007
- Realistically, NOT LIKELY. The actual cost to consumers would be minimal because the harvesting of fruit/veggies is a very small percentage of the cost to produce, distribute, pkg, etc.. Also alot of our produce comes from Central/South America.
  
  There are still many legal residents (green cards, work permits, etc) with few skills, little English available to do house cleaning, car washing, etc.
  
  Construction workers would finally get paid what they should before illegals undercut their wages.
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  by Scifisuz on July 13th, 2007
- Plenty of LEGAL citizens work on farms, too. I hardly think the store shelves would be totally empty, or even noticeably impacted. And god forbid we have to rely on small, LOCAL farming for our produce or even worse - GROW our own vegetables!
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- Anon. You can buy from local farms --but most of them use immigrant workers too. You CAN grown your own vegetables if you want to avoid encouraging immigration. So why aren't you?
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  by JaneAllen on August 4th, 2008
- JA - clarification - we are only talking about ILLEGAL immigrants with this question, NOT legal immigrants, legal residents, etc.
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  by Scifisuz on August 6th, 2008
- Illegals should be placed on some sort of fast-track naturalization process or we should have a Temporary Workers card. Ac\Griculture, meatpacking,restaurants use these workers because they actually work unlike many native born American citizens who are too good for the work, or who are afraid of the sun.
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  Owning a farm, working on many others, knowing workers and farmers, I can tell you that we would leave fields unharvested if it weren;t for these dedicated workers.
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  You want to talk about low pay? OK, raise it. Bt let us keep our workers. We need them.
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  by MaineMoody on August 6th, 2008
- How about all the legal residents from the same countries as illegals... who are being priced out by illegals willing to undercut their pay & afraid to demand that labor laws be obeyed? How about legal immigrants who are already here get those jobs?
  Send the illegals home.
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  by Scifisuz on August 8th, 2008
- If jobs are left unfilled can you say that there are legal residents who are being forced out by illegal aliens?
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  by JaneAllen on August 13th, 2008
- JaneAllen: I DO grow a lot of my own vegetables, thankyouverymuch. Not because I want to "avoid encouraging immigration", but because it's cheaper and they taste better.
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  by Anonymous on August 14th, 2008
- Well more power to you then Anonymous
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on August 14th, 2008
- JA: When offered a fair wage, these jobs get filled no problem. I'd talk to you about supply and demand and fair wages that should be offered to workers.
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  by Scifisuz on August 21st, 2008
- Define fair wage
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  by MaineMoody on August 22nd, 2008
- definition of fair wage: The salary amount (benefit amount) that needs to be offered by the employer to attract qualified legal employees.
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  by Scifisuz on August 27th, 2008
- There would in fact be plenty of food on the shelves and stored, in the bread basket 99% of farming is mechanized, no illegals needed or used. Just a few Americans with a strong back and a good work ethic can produce enough grain to feed a nation.
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  by phil656565 on March 27th, 2011
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by GhostWriter13 has found his voice again on August 7th, 2007
There would only be American Indians left...
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- Is funny how all those protesting against immigration do so without taking into account our own history. Well their point is that the indians didn't have laws, so at the end of the day this is a bureaucratic issue and not an issue of principle. Law or no law we sneaked into this country, killed the indians and took their land. Yet we protest when illegals come here to work to sustain their families.
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- absolutely right !
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by Uni on March 23rd, 2007
Wine prices and Produce prices would skyrocket.
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- What? No more $20.00 wine? I'm stocking up right now.
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  by centrator on March 24th, 2007
- Through the roof.
  
  Not to mention the cost of landscape maitenance, child care, house cleaning, janitorial services, and construction.
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  by Jeffers on May 19th, 2007
- Realistically, NOT LIKELY. The actual cost to consumers would be minimal because the harvesting of fruit/veggies is a very small percentage of the cost to produce, distribute, pkg, etc..
  
  There are still many legal residents (green cards, work permits, etc) with few skills, little English available to do house cleaning, car washing, etc.
  
  Construction workers would finally get paid what they were earning before illegals undercut their wages.
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- but do you not understand how the radically increased cost of paying minimum wage (or more) for these services would substantially increase the cost to the consumer?
  
  For produce alone, you have people picking for miniscule amounts by the pound. If you suddenly started paying pickers $5.00 an hour to pick - the cost of that produce would sore.
  
  Right now, what you suggest about picking being a minimal part of the overall cost, MIGHT be true - but it certainly wouldn't be true if farmers couldn't pay undocumented workers a sub-standard wage...
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- Not really. If (when) employers paid a legal wage, owners could not pocket as much profits but could not charge that much more because no one would buy any produce. Labor cost is only about 5% of the cost of produce. Without illegal labor it might go up to 10%.
  
  I'm not against agricultural jobs thru legal channels...right now agri jobs make up about 2% of the illegal labor market. Most working illegals are in construction and food service.
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- I would love to know your source for those estimates...
  
  Univeristy of California Berkley's Agricultural Labor Management program says otherwise...
  
  "About 40% to 70% of costs in production agriculture are related to labor costs"
  
  http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/ucce50/ag-labor/
  
  The Department of Agriculture says, "Labor is by far the largest factor in food marketing costs, accounting for 46 percent of the total. " (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3778/is_1991_Sept/ai_12059655)
  
  I think you're talking out your nether-regions...
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- An average household currently spends about $370 per year on fruits and vegetables. If curtailing illegal alien agricultural labor caused tighter labor conditions and a 40 percent increase in wages, the increased cost to the American family would be $9 a year, or about 2.4 cents per day. Yet for the farm laborer, the change would mean an increase in earnings from $8,800 to $12,350 for each 1,000 hours of work (25 weeks if the worker worked 40-hour weeks). That increase would move the worker from beneath the federal poverty line to above it. Source: www.fairus.org
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- I have a hard time believing statistics created by a political advocacy group. They are not known for their objectivity - liberal or conservative... Find a university study or a government study that supports your assertion.
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- When you can't argue the facts, argue the source....
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- I have argued the facts - your the one who falls back to ad hominem fallacies, my good man, as do your "sources." Here and the other thread.
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by Freenstrongmom on May 19th, 2007
It would be pretty chaotic I imagine. I believe the next day would be pretty bad... but in the end I know legal citizens of this nation would pick up the slack and also I believe that they would make becoming legal a lot easier and then all would be restored in the end, but I am naive and optimistic. I really have no idea on the grand scheme of it all, thats just my humble opinion.
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by stubborn9 on March 23rd, 2007
I wouldn't even bother.I live 80 miles from the mexican border and most of the ppl out hear could give a rat's ass about the immigration thing.There's a saying called
(AFTER THE FACT)that's what the government is doing.Handle the problem when it starts not 50 yr's later like there trying to do now.They should be more worried about the white trash problem in the USA.
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- I deserve to get docked points.I took the question totally the wrong way as you can tell.If every illegal alien just left at the same time.The following day would be the most crazy,chaotic mess that anyone has ever seen.In my view,california couldn't recover if that ever did happen.Sorry STRONGHART for not getting it the first time.
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  by stubborn9 on March 24th, 2007
- you should get double points for your self-correction.
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  by George Dufferin on March 25th, 2007
- Word. But the white trash comment...hmmmmmm.
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  by FreeRadical Jetpacking for Nelson on May 31st, 2007
- This is what i meant by writing white trash.The people that think there skin color automaticly put's them above or bieng superior to people from other races and nationalities.
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  by stubborn9 on May 31st, 2007
- the correct term for that is white supremacist. A white trash person is a low-class white person with very little education, usually living in poverty (think trailer trash, or redneck).
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by tomsims on July 17th, 2007
A majoy hit on the U.S. economy.
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- really? how do ya figure?
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- The economy is always built around a status quo situation. Illegal immigrants are part of our status quo. The status quo does not like change - especially fast change. That would be the simplest, least judgmental, and broadest answer.
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- Not too far removed from "The Earth is the center of the known Universe."
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by Galeanda on May 19th, 2007
Our entire economy would grind to a swift halt. There would be no one doing so many of the jobs that only they do. I can't even begin to name all of the businesses taht rely on them. And all the businesses that need their incomes being spent here, too. They don't send all their money across some border. There was a great movie about just this scenario. I thought it was so right on. Look it up and watch it for the best answer to how much they affect us.
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- You are falling for a bunch of political propoganda. We have plenty of people sitting around on welfare that can do these jobs.
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  by Will on May 31st, 2007
- I spent most of my life in California. I know the welfare situation there. I know just how many people from over the border. My family has employed many people from Mexico. I know many personally who took advantage of the amnesty program and became legal. I know waht sorts of jobs they do and I know that most Amercians wouldn't or couldn't do them. You can't live on those wages. Most illegal aliens live all together to keep closts down so they can afford to live. Most Americans, incluidng those on welfare wouldn't do that. Actually the welfare dept. wouldn't let them. I'm sorry you don't like aliens. They are very haard working people who when given the chance want to work in the system legally, at least the many that I have had the priviledge to know. They are not robbers, they are honest hard working people.
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  by Galeanda on May 31st, 2007
- Great answer!!!
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  by Liangkozi on July 13th, 2007
- If american workers were doing those jobs, they'd be making higher wages. LEGAL citizens are entitled to the federal minimum wage, whereas illegal immigrants are not.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- What did American do?...how did they exist before the 80s?
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- I think that movie was called "A Day Without a Mexican".
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  by Jenniferocious on August 7th, 2007
- Jen - Nope. That movie was about removing ALL Mexicans, legal and illegal. It was created as a spoof & for shock value...and I guess it was successful with some people. Oh Jen, do you plan to DR me for expressing an opinion different than yours continuously or what?
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  by Scifisuz on August 7th, 2007
- I didn't downrate anyone, thanks.
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  by Jenniferocious on August 8th, 2007
- And what makes you think I disagree with your opinion?
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- J - since it wasn't you, I apologize. I do have a pet peeve re DRing for voicing an opinion when the question asks for one.
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- As do I :)
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by younghusstla101 on March 23rd, 2007
THERE WOULD BE ALOT OF (WE ARE HIREING SIGNS UP) ALOT OF ILEAGLE ALIENS DO JOBS WE DON;T WANT TO.
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- We would get your point just as well without all caps and a few exclamation points. There are still willing U.S citizens availible for those so called empty jobs. People are so worried about illegal aliens and they forget that developed as we are. Some of the U.S STILL lives in poverty
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- You're right.
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- You and your pompous kind don't WANT to do! I myself and those I respect would do hard, menial labor and feel good about it!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on April 10th, 2007
- You are correct. Most Americans would not take the jobs performed in our society by illegal aliens... certainly not at the wages we pay them.
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  by Jeffers on May 19th, 2007
- Wouldn't that be awful. Employers would be forced to do what they are required to do in the first place, pay a legal wage, provide workers comp and obey the labor laws.
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- Capt Sparrpw: No one is preventing ou from going into the fields to pick grapes, apples, or cabbages. You speak as though someone is stopping you.
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- You wanna know what's stopping me? the fact that we've all been spending our future on cheaper produce now! If Employers were paying a wage that would be livable while still paying taxes like a responsible citizen of this country. Then there would be no reason for our borders to be flooded by people who don't seem to wish to be here! They just don't have the guts to stand up to their own corrupt Government to make the country that they are so proud to be from THEIRS again!
  And who's gonna suffer? The future of THIS country! That's who. And Why? so large Corporations here can reap greater profits and snotty people who live beyond their means in other ways get dirt cheap fruits and vegetables.
  
  And another reason I don't is I live in an area where these huge corporate farms have put the Mom and Pop farmers out of business.
  And they end up having to sell the farms at a loss to developers who also make huge profits on the condos they build on them.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on October 1st, 2007
- Adding cheap illegal labor to the produce industry equation has complicated the picture alot. There have been many legal programs to work in the fields in the past. Today, the produce industry is reaping huge profits by sidestepping the laws of this country.
  The cost to the consumer would increase but not severely, considering that the bulk of the profits go to the corporations who have squeezed out MOM and POP altogether as a result. The benefits to farm workers would improve, with labor laws and work comp laws being enforced. Also employers would have to pay competitive wages.
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  by Scifisuz on October 2nd, 2007
- If they paid a good wage we would want to do them.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on March 6th, 2010
- Who says Americans wouldn't want to do the jobs? If employers really needed workers, they'd pay them what they needed to. Supply and Demand works every time it's tried.
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  by LarryH54 on March 6th, 2010
- And that is why they do not want to close the border. Supply and demand keep the supply of cheap workers full. Keeps pay low.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on March 7th, 2010
- Supply and demand has nothing to do with encouraging slave labor. If the supply of slaves goes down, demand for workers at an honest wage will go up.
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by Scifisuz on July 13th, 2007
Empty buses,un-crowded emergency rooms. Affordable housing opens up for worthy legal residents. Schools, highways, prisons not overcrowded. Fed taxes reduced $1000-$3000 per person. Major gang populations depleted...Crimes related to illegal aliens, i.e. identity theft, forgery, fraud eliminated. Public Welfare agencies freed up to address legal immigrants and residents and citizens.

Corporations and Mexican and Central American elitists would take a financial hit. No money from the U.S. -- no countries avoiding dealing with their own needy, poor and sick.

Only trick...how to keep it that way....how to keep them in their native countries...
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- I don't know where you live - but the affordable housing that I oversee REQUIRES that the tenant be a legal resident. Everyone living there is a legal resident.
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  by Jenniferocious on August 7th, 2007
- Los Angeles . 60% of HUD , Section 8 is occupied by undocumented. Where do you live?
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  by Scifisuz on August 7th, 2007
- Here, too, undocumented workers get so many benefits. Housing assistance, free or low cost medical and prescriptions, food stamps, free diapers and food for babies, free or very low cost daycare, etc.
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- ..not to mention, fraud , indentity theft...one legal person applies/ moves in and 6 more move in too, etc. etc. There are organizations that teach illegals how to do this and how to submit to the IRS to get back payck deductions received by using someone else's ss# -- and then we have all the numerous Mexican consulates too.
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  by Scifisuz on September 30th, 2007
- Indeed how DO we keep them in their native countries when their own corrupt Government tries so hard to push them off on us and make them OUR problem to avoid hurting their own economy?
  How do we make others take responsibility for their own and stop looking to our bleeding hearts to fix their problems for them.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on March 10th, 2008
- One way is simple. Enforce labor laws. Prosecute employers who break the law. Require proof of legal residency for any public assistance short of life & death. If they come here to work and there's no work....
  But I have (Hispanic) friends who believe that won't work either because conditions are STILL better in US than in their native countries.
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  by Scifisuz on March 10th, 2008
- So once again we take over other peoples problems to give the countries that can't support them a chance to surpass us in every way eventually if we keep having to deal with what brings them down instead of making their corrupt government take care of it's own?
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on March 10th, 2008
- Tee hee.....I think it'd be harder to change other countries than to take actions to secure our own (short of a world war ala Japan & Germany ....and there's still debate over whether that paid off for us).....but I've been wrong before.
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  by Scifisuz on March 11th, 2008
- Keeping them in their own countries is easy IF you stop the problem at its source. Fine the EMPLOYER, not the illegal immigrant. Without that carrot out there attracting them, they won't come.
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by Cubaneyes on December 31st, 2007
MargaretMcGhee Dec, 31 2007 at 05:03 PM
And what would you do when they were gone? Wait on your table at restuarants? Wash the dishes? Are you going to mow your own lawn? Who's going to clean your house? and, are you ready to pay three dollars for a tomato?
Sally-The Redhead Dec, 31 2007 at 05:06 PM
yes, who's going to be at the car wash? And can you imagine hotels without room service or maid service? I's send money to keep them here.
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Read your Bible.
Cubaneyes Dec, 31 2007 at 05:10 PM [Edit]
And, I'll tell you something else you may not have thought of. Illegal aliens working on the books pay into social security--but using phoney numbers. No one will ever collect their contributions. Thus they are subsidizing social security at an estimated rate of 850 billion a year.
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by Lord Knows on November 14th, 2007
The next day? That's easy, Americans would HAVE to go to work.
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- Put the able bodied welfare people out in the fields to earn their checks, just like how it was before welfare. Nobody seems to remember the Grapes of Wrath. they should start having to read that book again in school instead of "My two Dad's."
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  by thekingcobra63 on November 14th, 2007
- Great Comment!
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  by Lord Knows on November 14th, 2007
- Do you actually know anything about the "able bodied" on welfare. there are almost none. Those days were over long ago.
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  by centrator on December 31st, 2007
- sorry but your statement is not true since half of my wife's family is on assistance and none are disabled, just like to crank out babies to get more welfare money. It is a real problem, not just some political talk. there are millions on assistance who could work but chose not to.
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- ....
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by theredbaron on May 19th, 2007
There would be a mad scramble to find foster parents for the thousands of kids (who were born here) left behind.
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- And the next day there'd be other people taking care of them.
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  by Scifisuz on July 13th, 2007
- Who's going to look after them? There are not enough families for the orphans you have now.
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  by mrtorch on July 17th, 2007
- How about the parents of the children, the people who brought them into this world...how about if THEY took care of them? How about if illegal aliens gave some thought and consideration regarding the lives they are creating?
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- Huh?
  The question was "If you could snap your fingers and magically every illegal alien would be gone from the entire USA what do imagine would happen the next day?"
  
  Since the children of illegals born in the US are classified as US citizens then they would get left behind in the context of the question.
  
  How about you give a little thought and consideration to all those workers who break their backs doing the jobs you Americans are not willing to do, so you can have cheap food and drink, drive around in your big SUV's and get fast service at the nearest drive thru' burger bar.
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  by mrtorch on July 17th, 2007
- Children belong with their parents MR. FYI Illegal aliens in US cost at least 3x more than they contribute.
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- They wouldn't if they paid tax would they? If they were made US citizens they would pay tax.
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  by mrtorch on July 17th, 2007
- I'm saying WITH taxes...they use up at least 3x more than they create. And I'm talking about illegals only.
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- Wow, and I thought my response would change the focus from the "illegal" argument to the practical problem of creating instant foster care situations for thousands of US citizens. But if you want to debate the rightness/wrongness of illegal aliens I have the simplest solution possible -- make them legal. You don't have to give them citizenship or even the ability to follow that track if that's what burns you up, but just streamline the process so that willing workers can legally participate and contribute to the society. Face it -- the jobs they are willing to do are jobs that are traditionally held by immigrants. There are no "Americans" lining up to do menial labor. At least let them obtain valid Social Security numbers so they can file taxes, get loans and register their vehicles properly. If you're concerned about crime, a legal alien can still be deported. Just change the adjective and the disscussion resolves itself.
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  by theredbaron on July 17th, 2007
- Excellent point theredbaron!
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  by mrtorch on July 17th, 2007
- Might help you understand the immigration issue better! Worth the viewing. This video is re LEGAL immigration.
  
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=number
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- Gracias, mrtorch! :)
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  by theredbaron on July 17th, 2007
- Scifisuz I would just like to say that even though I don't agree with your views about immigration, it's nice to be able to debate a point with someone without them resorting to calling me names, you should read some of the things I've been called on here!.
  
  BTW, thanks for the link I'll check it out.
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  by mrtorch on July 17th, 2007
- Right back at ya, Mr Torch!
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- I also have to say that redbaron and scifisuz both make excellent points. The immigration system is screwed up, obviously, but that has nothing to do with ILLEGAL immigrants as they bypass the system altogether. The only thing we can do to remedy the problem with illegals is to allow them the chance to become legal based on a much tougher criteria than the one we currently have. Then we need to overhaul the entire system so we aren't allowing such a large percentage of low-income, low-skill level immigrants into the country and creating such an obvious drain on the economy. We have enough poor, uneducated natural citizens as it is.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- If the (legal) immigration system were working, there would be no illegal immigration issue. Thx for the kind words, doob.
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- You're welcome. I don't think that's necessarily true, though. There will always be people who think the law doesn't apply to them. Even if we had a working immigration system there would still likely be people bypassing it.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- Of course, but not in the tens of millions....
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  by Scifisuz on August 6th, 2007
- You think they would all abandon their children? I guess you don't think highly of their parenting.
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- I do not begin to guess what illegal aliens will do re their children. If I were living in a country illegally, the last thing I'd want to do is make babies. On the other hand, if I was forced to leave, I'd insist on having my children (legal or illegal status) with me. So that makes me weird, I guess.
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- Me too then. ;)
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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on October 29th, 2008
- My point wasn't that they'd abandon their children, but that if only the illegal aliens disappeared then the children who were born here (and are therefore not illegal) would not disappear along with the *snap*. It was a bizarre answer to a bizarre question, not a deep social commentary.
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by Happy Biohazard on May 19th, 2007
Of course the best thing would have been keeping them out in the first place. I see it as very unfair to the ones who went through the process of becoming citezins that so many get to just hop in and start making money. I think that there would be a terrible outcome of just making them all disapear but thats the short term. what would be the long term results? I dont know.
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- Great answer HB. Short term ,yes, there would be confusion, alot of folks shifting jobs, homes, etc. Long term - I believe the difference would be amazingly positive for the US. Short of physically removing people by force (which would never happen) we need to look at negative reinforcement, via job market drying up, govt agencies enforcing laws, etc. If there's no reason to stay, they will leave of their own accord....at least that's the plan.
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- I think immigration should kick them all out. it wouldnt all happen in one day anyway. theres no snapping fingers. theres gradual progress after some necesary reform. the gaps would be filled gradually and some things would change but what do you know on this earth that is permanent. I think it would be wonderful if the whole world could have no borders and everybody could get along but its not like that and no matter where you go you cant just up and move somewhere without going through the necesary red tape. you cant even move from state to state and keep your same drivers license and you want to let people freely jump borders and settle wherever. not to mention the fact that the people who agree with open borders i bet would be the same to agree with minimum wages which i dont agree with. and minimum wages are exactly what the illegal aliens are messing up. being perfectly willing to help a US citizen break the law by violating such laws. I find it all very interesting. none matters
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  by Happy Biohazard on July 21st, 2007
- Agreed. Check out the immigration laws in Mexico. They are stiff. Check out Mexico's control of their southern border. In Mexico illegals are immediately imprisoned / deported and they are not treated well in the interim. Have you checked out www.fairus.org ??
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by Jeffers on May 19th, 2007
Initially, there would be mass chaos. Agricultural production would stop dead. Maintenance and cleaning tasks as well. Much of the service industry would be eliminated.

This would have an immediate impact on food... grocery. Cheap restaurants and fast food would never open again. Many people would not be able to go to their better paying jobs, for lack of child-care support.

The financial and futures markets would go nuts... agricultural futures would sky rocket. Wall street would go crazy and probably crash.

Like it or not, we use undocumented foreign labor as something of an "underclass" in this country - their immediate and sudden (permanent) absence would be devastating.
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- You're assuming that illegals make up the bulk of the work force in those industries nationwide. That's simply not the case. Around here, you're more likely to run into American teens working at cheap restaurants and fast food joints than an illegal immigrant.
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- Using undocumented laborers is nothing less than returning to a slave-based economy. Is that really where we are today? Is it where we want to be?
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by razz4901 on May 19th, 2007
The politicians would have no one to blame for the down turn of our country. Prices would surely rise, who is going to wash the dishes at your local dining spot, who is going to do the lawn care for the wealthy. Who is going to pick the veggies and fruit now picked by migrant farm workers? Who is going to employ all the laid off cops, prision guards, ice agents, or lawyers who make a living off the illegal alien business? Who is going to care for the American born children of the illegals? Do we deport the parents and put the kids in state care? Magically deporting every illegal alien would cause much hardship in our country. I don't like the situation we are in but there is surely a happy medium we can achieve between the status quo and mass deportations.
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- I think we have enough crime among the legal citizens of this country to keep the cops, prison guards, and lawyers working. I was a dishwasher at a restaurant when I was in high school, and I know plenty of legal citizens who work for landscaping companies.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- One of the main arguments I hear for mass deportation is to end the crimes wave that the illegals bring with them...I have seen statistics that claims as much as 40% of the prison inmate population in CA are illegals...surely if we deported all those folks we would need less law enforcement?
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by char_e on May 18th, 2007
I believe that we would all be going to the nursing home to wipe grandpas butt. right after we harvest, take our own trash to the dumps and bury it. and that would be just before breakfast.
Good luck and God bless
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- Ah, but think of all the gang banger kids that would be able to get real jobs and move on with their lives!
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by MotherGoose on March 24th, 2007
The next day every illegal alien that disappeared would be making his or her way back to the USA. I've read all of the posts and I agree with most of the answers given. I am in a position at work where I see many illegal aliens brought before the court for deportation. With the exception of TWO every alien has had an extensive criminal background. Aliens with this type of character are the only aliens I have come into contact with, so my opinion would be biased. I do however, think that the USA would be able to survive if all aliens were deported. My pet pieve about aliens is when I'm calling for assistance, such as calling the cable company when I have technical problems, and the person I have reached for assistance has difficulty speaking English. I am unable to understand them as they read their answers from their manuals.
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- When you call for asistance you are reaching an overseas call center. Of course they have accents and they can't understand you. why do we have overseas call centers? -- Because there's not enough help here--that's why we need immigration, legal or otherwise.
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  by centrator on March 24th, 2007
- No, I'm not calling overseas. I'm talking about calling my cable company or mobile phone company. It seems that I always get someone who has difficulty speaking English. I keep reminding myself that I only speak one language and that the person I'm having difficulty understanding speaks two.
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  by MotherGoose on March 25th, 2007
- Well said MotherGoose
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  by Yeux on April 9th, 2007
- it's not because there isn't enough help here, it's because it's cheaper to outsource your call centers instead of having to pay SKILLED workers in the US a higher rate of pay.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- You may not be calling overseas Mothergoose, but that is where your call is being routed. I have had to call Bellsouth 3 times for assistance. The first two times the agent was in India and the third one is in the Philippines.
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by MicrocosmicOrbit on August 22nd, 2009
Only Native Americans would be left.
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by Is NancyPancy on January 28th, 2008
First of all I would never wish that to happen because I'm mexican and I'm a U.S. citizen but I care for my illegal immigrants. Answer no one is going to work the back breaking jobs my people takes. U.S. economy loses.
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- I so agree with the comment above. The only poeple that you see wanting to really work and get the job done is the Mexicans. You see them doing all the dirty work, while Americans sit on there but.(Some of the time)Yes I am an American.
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  by Anonymous on February 25th, 2008
- Not only that, Who would work the vegetable fields??/ Where would all the americans get their salads?/ Who would cook and wash the dishes in almost EVERY restaurant???Only the illegals do this tyoe of work, willingly!!
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  by yorgos on March 9th, 2008
- Yes, slave labor is nice and cheap.
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by Talimze on August 7th, 2007
There would be a lot of places looking to hire people to clean toilets and move plants onto trucks.
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- And they would have to offer a decent wage to do it!
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- Well, they would have to offer a decent wage for it to get done half-assed.
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  by Talimze on March 29th, 2011
- Actually that's the advantage of a decent wage. It attracts people with a little self respect, so the job DOES get done properly.
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by Firebrand on August 7th, 2007
The Country would probably grind to a halt.It would certainly hit the economy.
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by Anonymous on August 7th, 2007
Oh, I'm going to get down-rated for this, but I don't care... I wouldn't snap my fingers to do this. Sorry, but after working as a volunteer in the rotten pits of Mexico and seeing the quality of life that is there, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If I were born there, I would do everything in my power to get the hell out of dodge! I understand the need for Border regulation and policy, but start from the here and now. Humans for humanity.
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- So why do we enable them to escape the problem rather than to FIX it themselves so they can ALL have a decent standard of living, not just the escapees? People get the gov't they deserve. That is true no matter what country you happen to live in.
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by JTP on July 17th, 2007
my banana's would cost $50 each :(
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by Anonymous on May 19th, 2007
There'd be nobody left to bag my groceries, mow my lawn or wipe my car when it comes out of the wash! :-(
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- Gee do they wipe your fucking ass for you too you pansy-assed pussy?
  I am MORE than happy to do ALL those things for myself, and will do them for a few of you lazy cocksuckers too if you'll just give some GODDAMN thought to NOT selling out the future of this country, to only truly benefit your short term laziness and the economy of the corrupt Governments that are pushing their poor onto us rather than deal with them themselves.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on March 10th, 2008
- Lay off the rum Cappy, it was a joke!
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  by Anonymous on March 10th, 2008
- I apologize then. I went several rounds on the comment thread on luv4cs's answer and she was dead serious. You are right I am wound a bit too tight, I knew you had more sense than this, again I'm sorry.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on March 11th, 2008
- Don't sweat it Capt. I know how it is when someone torques me up.
  just sip slooooooowly and ecerthing will be fine! ;-)
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by Anonymous on May 19th, 2007
Americans go up a bit. Mexicans crash.
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- ...or Mexicans decide enough is enough and take back their own corrupt gov't. It'd be nice if they didn't feel the NEED to come sneaking in here.
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by saint nist on May 19th, 2007
If I had power like that I would make alot of trouble makers disappear.... I HATE criminals not good people...

Keep the good trouble free illegals here... send away the crooks who waste my tax money in prisons...
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- You just said you hate criminals and they aren't good people, then turn around and say "keep the *good* illegals here". Illegal immigrants are committing a serious crime just by being in the country ILLEGALLY. That's what they are called "illegal" immigrants.
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  by Anonymous on July 17th, 2007
- Lets not forget the crooks who hire illegals, who aid and abet illegals, etc. etc. etc.
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- There is a big difference between a legal and an illegal immigrant. LEGAL immigrants are good people. ILLEGAL immigrants ARE criminals by definition. But the saddest part of it is that because they know they are criminals, they can be manipulated and enslaved by unscrupulous employers. Allowing them to stay here is NOT doing them a favor!
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by luv4cs on April 10th, 2007
i kinda like the illegal aliens.. i mean who would mow my lawn.. and who would do alll the other jobs that they do and no one else wants to do..
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- I'm thinking maybe...YOU! Ya lazy M'er F'er!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on April 11th, 2007
- no!!!!!! well would you take there jobs cuz im pretty sure u wont..... unless u want to mow my lawn...
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  by luv4cs on April 11th, 2007
- Why the fuck are you so lazy you can't mow your own lawn? It's great exercise! I have mowed others lawns, when they weren't able to, out of kindness not for profit. Or are you the type that makes the rest of the world think ALL of America is Fat&Lazy?
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on April 11th, 2007
- listen u jackass maybe if u see the size of my yard u will know what i mean.. my yard is larger than ur normal sized yard and out of the kidness of ur damn heart.. GET LOST!
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  by luv4cs on April 11th, 2007
- Sorry to ruffle your feathers Mr. Gore. If it's SO fucking large, why does it need "manicuring" can't it be a little more natural. Or won't your gated community permit that!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on April 11th, 2007
- just to say i dont live in a gated community.. dont worry how my yard looks.. i got the money to pay for my gardners all ur dumb ass needs is to go get a life and not to worry about my yard!!! my yard is natural enough for me..
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  by luv4cs on April 11th, 2007
- You self-righteous selfish PIECE OF SHIT!! As long as YOUR comfy and happy the rest of the Country can just take a flying FUCK? Especially future generations that will have to pay for YOUR gluttony!!!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on April 11th, 2007
- that didnt make any sense u dumbass.. and just to tell u im happy and so are my gardners.. cant forget 2marrows thursday the gardners are gonne be comin....
  just to tell u learn how to speak ENGLISH smart ass
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  by luv4cs on April 11th, 2007
- With all the money you'd save in taxes $1500-3000 each, just federal per year per taxpayer, you could afford to hire someone legitimately and NOT commit a crime!
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  by Scifisuz on July 17th, 2007
- AH at last a voice of reason here!!!!
  Scifisuz you are SO correct, but you'll never get through to that dim-wit, just look at her lame attempt at putting me down for my communication skills while most of what she says doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
  I wish I could give you a hundred or more points for your comment!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 17th, 2007
- listen u jackass
  why are u so retarded to care bout my fuckin gardners... get a fuckin life i have the money to pay them and i will okay so i dont see why ur dumb ass is getting butt hurt... all i have to say to all of u is...FUCK OFf....
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  by luv4cs on July 17th, 2007
- Perhaps if you could communicate in any language(English would be nice!) and not always be so damn abusive people might want to cut you some slack. You had the nerve to tell me I couldn't speak English but you write like a retarded four year old with Tourette's Syndrome and a bad attitude! It's okay if your eduction never got past grade-school, just grow up!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 17th, 2007
- nooooo its just jackasses like u mess up this website!!!!!
  this website os for opinions and thats what i gave and if u dont like that.......... well ........ i dont care and dont give a shit so thank u for your time and negativity...GET LOST!!!!
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  by luv4cs on July 17th, 2007
- Spoken like the only Vin Diesel fan besides his mom!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 17th, 2007
- oh are u fuckin kidding me...... u just dont know when to fuckin stop do u???..... u low life piece of shit.... i feel very bad for u.... u have no life nothing to live for... ur just a fucken jackass who has nothin better to do but sit on ur ass and give other peoples opinions negative ratings..... i didnt think people could get that stupid but i guess they do!!
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  by luv4cs on July 17th, 2007
- I'm gonna have to go with the Captain. It's not only people like you, luv4cs, who junk up this site, but your also ruining the American economy and commiting a crime to get your lawn mowed. Not to mention helping to shut down emergency rooms and over loading our social service system to the point Americans can't get help. By the way there is no job an American won't do. We just want a living wage for it. As far as I'm concerned you can get on the buss back to Mexico right along with your gardners. Oh, wait, they wouldn't let you across their border because they'd shoot you on sight as an illegal alien. Ironic isn't it?
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 18th, 2007
- Oh, and the Captain doesn't down rate folks even when he doesn't agree with them. That's your other fellow Americans telling you off.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 18th, 2007
- Thanks paosbrio, but she's like talking to a mud wall, I did initially down rate the answer it's true. but not since it was originally posted, with my then pathetic -1.
  Your dead-on that plenty others have silently made their say about it!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 18th, 2007
- They sure have.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 18th, 2007
- oh ur fucking kidding more retards... as for ur fucking information i am not an illegal alien and i am not from mexico u fucking jackass... i was born in AMERICA i am in no way related to no fucking mexicans but i think ur bastered ass is!!! AND how come i never see any white people mowing lawns????? exactly stupid fuckers... i actually pay my gardners very well... let me guess ur dumb ass is gonna ask me how much... none of ur fuckin business... u low life pieces of shit have nothing better to do... do u...
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  by luv4cs on July 18th, 2007
- luv4cs: No reason to get all up tight. The Captain and pasobrio just telling oyu wants on their minds. besides i think if they did down rate you they would have told it straight to you and the reason why.
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  by Oddjob on July 19th, 2007
- I think this has gotten out of hand. luv4cs, I'm all for letting people come here and work, but, it should be done legally. What you are condoning is wrong. You can't possibly expect people to agree with that. I think maybe it's time to just agree to disagree and shut this down. This is an argument you can't win.
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  by unknown on July 19th, 2007
- I didn't down rate her. I think it's funny how on another post with me she was a teenage girl and on this one an adult.
  Oh, and I never said you were a Mexican, luv4cs. I said when they go home you need to go with them as a traitor. And the reason why you see them mowing those lawns is because of unscupiliou people who would rather save a few bucks on wages, taxes, and workman's comp insurance then do things the legal way and hire Americans. Not because American's won't do it. You used to see them all the time ten years ago. And notice how none of have resorted to name calling or profanity as you have.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 19th, 2007
- And I'm with you, idne.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 19th, 2007
- To be fair I was more than a little profane in the beginning, but only as a back-lash to what I was getting blasted at me.
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 19th, 2007
- Thanks p.
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  by unknown on July 19th, 2007
- Yeah, Captain yo were, but not like that. All yo did was drop a couple of "F" bombs. and welcome, idne.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 19th, 2007
- oh wow!!! i cant believe this.... why the fuck does he care what i do.. i showed my opinion and someones dumb ass came over and called me a lazy ass..... so i blasted back
  i dont care what u thinkim just so suprised at how stupid some people can be...!!!???
  and i dont care if anyone downrates me..
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  by luv4cs on July 20th, 2007
- Because, and this is just a guess, this is his country as well and unlike you he cares what happenes to it. And for someone who throws the word stupid around like confetti you might want to learn how to communicate in full sentences without the profanity. Out of all the people on here the only one showing any lack of intellegency is you. You have no understanding of what your actions are doing to your own country, nor do you care. And that just angers all of us who do care. My husband put his life on the line for four years to protect this country and the way you repay him and all the men and women like him is by hiring a criminal to do your lawn work. Nice.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 21st, 2007
- oo wow cry me a river... who said this aint my country???? i dont care its my opinion get used to it...
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  by luv4cs on July 21st, 2007
- You really need to learn to read. And just be prepared to have border patrol knocking on your door one day with handcuffs for your opinion and your practice of hiring illegals. Or just wait for yet another prision to be have to build to handle the over flow. Or the next emergency room to close down.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 21st, 2007
- ...and let's not forget the sewage treatment plants...
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  by Scifisuz on July 21st, 2007
- just because they are from mexico doesnt mean they are illegals... what there are no mexicans that came here legallly and became citizens?! not all mexicans are illegal alians.... and there not illegals like i found them they have a business.... whats ur problem get a life
  i have had enough of this shit
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  by luv4cs on July 21st, 2007
- GOOD!! If you've had enough, give it a rest and learn English!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 21st, 2007
- Funny I thought the question was about illegals. Nobody here has a problem with the legal immegrants. And any one can start a bussiness. Just slap a sign on the door of your truck and you're all set. The only way you're going to know is if you call Better Bussiness. And even that's not a sure thing since the owner could be a citizen, but hires illegals. Also funny that at the start of this you admitted to hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS, but now they're legal. Time to start keeping the story straight. And learn the language. And if your done so am I. Since you listen to nothing anyone tells you anyways.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 21st, 2007
- whatever u people need to not worry bout other people... this is bull shit can we just put this to a stop cuz its not going anywhere.... call it quits???
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  by luv4cs on July 21st, 2007
- Gladly, your not worth my time!
  But your the pea-brained illiterate that has to keep getting the last profane word in! We could just keep playing this till the INS agents come knocking on your door though?
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 21st, 2007
- With you and me on here we could. But it's not worth it.
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on July 21st, 2007
- Unfortunately, LUV, all Americans, including Mexican Americans & legal residents need to"worry bout other people" because 11-30 million invaders affects the sovereignty {look it up} of this nation, as well as the economy, quality of life, education, hospitals, safety, housing and fuel needs.
  
  LUV, just go ahead and do what you like. You're not showing the common sense to simply stop this answer. Your views are offensive and not even well presented.
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  by Scifisuz on July 23rd, 2007
- u idiots just dont know when to stop do u??? alwasy have to act like the smarter ones when im trying to be the bigger person and put this to an end nicely and u jackasses are still trying to act better and shit... u know what if i wasnt worth ur time why u still talkin??? u know what.... fuck off u can keep commenting but its just gonna show how stupid u are..... captain jackass and pasobrio u are both retarded low lifes and keep on commenting makes u look like and idiot even more....
  im out............
  peace the fuck out!!
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  by luv4cs on July 23rd, 2007
- luv4cs: there is no need to use all those colorful word. ;) If you want just leave this like you said "i have had enough of this" yet you posted twice after this. I have to say I am with most of the other Americans on this topic. Why do you keep defending your self when even you know that what you talk about is wrong? Is it pride, you cant be wrong ever?
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  by Oddjob on July 23rd, 2007
- Please for the sake of your own sanity, give it up! She'll always try to get the last profane word in!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on July 23rd, 2007
- Captain I know its just funny to see. I was just reading this post not even commenting. Ok no more for me at least. ;)
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  by Oddjob on July 23rd, 2007
- It is pretty funny. But I'm done. She's nothing but a troll. And I know because I've delt with her before.
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by that jewish kid on March 23rd, 2007
we would have no president
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- Just love to eat up the propaganda on Fox, right?
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by FreeRadical Jetpacking for Nelson on January 4th, 2008
Republicans would have to work at getting another debate going so we don't all think about Iraq.
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by Lady Alathia of Vulcan on December 17th, 2007
You know what? You all know I'm expecting. My husband is self-employed. We can't afford insurance. We make 2% of the poverty level ABOVE the Medicaid cut-off point. Effectively, we're $10 a month too rich to get the benefits we've been paying into a combined 30 YEARS. But Maria Valez down the road who skipped the border? No one even ASKS how much money she makes. She gets INSTANT benefits. What the HELL?
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- I couldn't agree with you more on this!
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  by Capt. Jack Sparrow GALCIY on December 17th, 2007
- Everyone in the US should be getting health insurance from the government.Single payer means that there would be no insurance companies separating you from your health benefits. Insurance companies take 11-23% out of every dollar we pay them for administration and profit. Medicare takes 3%. You get a lot more health for your dollar.
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by The Dean on November 30th, 2007
the traffic in LA would get a lot better.

I remember the day they protested about the driver licenses and the traffic was like heaven.

Yeah I suppose lettuce would cost 2x as much, but think of the savings in healthcare and education.
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by Yeahwell... on August 5th, 2007
I would be able to order a cheeseburger at McDonalds and the person would understand what I'm saying.
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- Thanks! Just tellin' it like it is. :D
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- Nah - there'd be nobody working there to even take your order.
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by - M.C.S. - Dave on July 17th, 2007
I believe that all but the Indian's would be gone. M.C.S.
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by Cramidy on April 18th, 2007
Realisticly speaking, most companies would halt altogether for some time. many jobs would be outsourced. Jobs that cannot be outsourced (including but not limited to field work) would be dramaticly affected. Chances of an american taking to the field is slim. despite those who say poorer americans would love the job, the reality is no self respecting american would take that job for the wages (if you could call them that)that immigrants accept nor give the same quality. any others who you might assume would take the job simply dont have enough motivation, hence why the dont have a job. Prices will skyrocket across many industries as wages must be increased for jobs that used to cost employers MUCH less; possibly sending many americans into a depression as wages will not be able to meet prices. Like gasonline, i think iligitamte labor is an addiction americans are not willing to kick.
The fight against illeagal immigration continues at the border but perhaps, if its job availability were most concerned about, the fight should be focoused on employers taking in immigrants. Stricter and MUCH harsher rules should be taken against those who harbor illeagles... perhaps as far as treason? As long as theres oppritunities, immigrants will come. If no one is here to accept them, they will have no reason to migrate.
I have absolutely nothing agains illeagle immigrants. Some of them really do have somthing to offer. And if i lived in a shit country, your damn right id do my best to get somwhere that me and my family can live safely and happily.
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by williamnagle44 on April 21st, 2011
I would miss each and every one. (Especially Dana)
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by koldkanuck on November 30th, 2007
I think everybody would go,like!why didn't somebody think of that before 15,000,000 of them we're working in the states sucking jobs unemployed americans would love to do.
not to mention because they are illegal immigrants they get free health care.while honest hard working americans are losing everything to pay for their health care.
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- Not only that, a lot of them pretend to work; work slow to leave most of the work for Americans, all these things I speak of personal experience. Most have one thing in mind, make money, bring more family members, the list goes on. I don't know about you, but I am tired of seeing Americans out of work and homeless while an immigrant drives by next to me in a Navigator, a wallet full of green, a hummer, 5 children just a couple of months apart; and a silly grin on their face, mocking us like fools. I am a Puerto Rican, born and raced in NYC, I've never had all the opportunities these immigrants get when they come into this country. America needs to focus on the needs of Americans b4 taking care of the rest. The highest poverty rate are Puerto Ricans, not because they don't want to work; but because some companies prefer to hire an illegal immigrant w/no benefits and lower wages. Shame on the employers that do this to benefit themselves. There are plenty of Americans, African Americans, Puerto Rican Americans out of jobs. I'm not racist against immigrants, just tired of our ppl suffering over these problems in society. Can our leaders please come together and change this problem PLEASE.
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by thekingcobra63 on November 14th, 2007
They'd start flooding back into the country unless they actually did anything about the border.
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by sweetpea on October 5th, 2007
I can see by reading all the answers and comments that I have a lot more reading to do on this subject before I answer this question. I just wish there were a few things I could do to get my hispanic neighbors to respect the fact that I live close to them and I dont appreciate their loud music and why do they have to sit out in front of their houses and keep honking the horn.I know people say these are stereotypes but live next to them and you will see why they say that.
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- I can honestly relate!
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