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by HasntBeen on August 12th, 2009
Listen to yourself: you're letting others run their guilt trip on you, you're putting them in charge of your life and your sense of what's right and what's wrong.
Is that who you are? A puppet to be played from the pulpit? Someone who has to have everybody else tell them good from bad?
Growing up is about becoming able to be your own judge, to know when you're on the beam for yourself and when you're not. Nobody can be your boss on this topic, it's up to you. If you decide that's too scary and you let others (or old books) tell you what's what, you're selling out your potential as a human being.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
There is no such thing as a good Christian. All Christians believe they are pieces of shit who need Jesus. You can do whatever you want, good or bad and still be a Christian. To truly be free and enjoy masturbation, realize that Christianity is a load of BS. Free your mind so you can responsibly enjoy the pleasures of life in peace.
by Randoley on August 13th, 2009
Boy am I asking for trouble answering this question.
Being a 40 year old male I understand. Being a virgin I understand. Being a person who wants to please God I understand.
Don't listen to what any religion tells you, don't listen to what friends tell you, don't even listen to what I tell you. Listen only to what God tells you. If you have to ask this question then He is trying to tell you something.
I've been working with youth at my church for 20 years and I have gotten this question a lot. The bible does not mention masturbation but it does say lust is the same as having sex with the person you are lusting over. I tell boys if they can whack with out lusting, go for it. I don't think that is possible.
The bible also says that for every temptation you are faced with God has planned a way out. All we have to do is look for it.
There is a great free program called X3watch. It keeps you honest. When you install it it keeps a record of dirty sites you go to, then once a month it sends a report to 3 confidants you have chosen to help you stay clean with your thoughts. It really helps to not look at naked chicks if you know people are going to know what you have done.
http://x3watch.com/
by Jesus is God on August 12th, 2009
No you can't.Is that Christ like?What does 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 say about practicing fornication?
by MadMike on August 18th, 2009
I am the single prophet for the Quantum Mechanical theory of God and his revelations and why they have discrepancies both large and small. God created beings with free will because at each choice that they make, the demise of God enlarges by 2, because Schrodinger's cat, is both, Alive AND Dead. Not OR. It is gods will that we make choices and he has gone to a lot trouble to see that there are many schools of thought. It suits Gods purpose that the "God Given Key To The Right Way Of life" is not singular but plural and discordant. For it makes people make choices, and every forced choice serves him. But when you come down to the similarities "Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you" is the most common and greatest. But even that becomes "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" or "do unto him BEFORE he does unto you"(in a bad way)
by jerryperris on August 18th, 2009
-----------> playing wuth yourself is a sin but who has not sin before tell who it is because i never knew anyone that has not masturbate do you ?? ;;-]
by MadMike on August 18th, 2009
take that 2 hour walk twice a week and you will grow to love her 4 times as much as you do now. and who knows you both might be ready to do the deed in 6 or 10 weeks. Real contact on a mental level beats longing lust alone a bunch. if you want to save her cherry try some phone sex. While you both masturbate, things go better together. so let's see what i can call up from the nun's in 2nd grade ... God made us in his image, to know, love and serve him. multiply and fill the earth. and as for sin of lust ... dude from what I saw above you are a Catholic and that is why Christ made Confession go talk to your priest not that goofy sack of steaming, JiG, pick a young one who is still dealing with the same temptations that you are. And tell JiG to judge NOT, lest yea be JUDGED.
by MRSHINYSHOES on August 16th, 2009
Don't let a man-made thing such as religion make you feel guilty about something you naturally feel.
by MadMike on August 18th, 2009
So God gave the hairless apes, the swimming apes, the tool shapers, a closer look. Some were brave to the point of foolhardy, hunger in the camp driving them or the right to mate with any and many their glode and goal. Did he give man his drives or did he shape them as men shaped stone or did he use them as he found them? Flip a coin. As human social interaction moved into language and story telling fostered memory beyond a single individuals life man became ripe for instruction. each language fostered somewhat different instruction. But each individual could make the choice to abide by or ignore the lore of their group. there were yet to be repercussions for there was yet to be Taboo. Did God institute Taboo, or did some chief or shaman get fed up with a lack of orthodoxies in the tribe? Flip a Coin. In the bible the first Taboo is the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Without freewill one is enough. With freewill, Taboos shape the way life is lived. Some are minor(do I masturbate or don't I) and some are major( to murder or kill out of hand or to force fight and be at risk ), Taboos frame choice. In a way that affects the tribe. And through them, God collects choices. and the more people there are to make them, the faster God's demise grows, from Time, into ParaTime. God's sway over time was liner before life. Once life came to be coin flips increased exponentially. With intelligent life the coin flips become geometric. With free will and Taboo it goes to logarithmic coin flips. When you get 6+ billion freewill users in 200+ Taboo systems coins get flipped like corn popping in a 10 ton popper, and each pop dubbles Gods reach through Quantum Mechanics. This is why God gives many conflicting versions of "Divine Revelation", because conflicting Taboos serve Him.
by - MojoThunder - on December 5th, 2011
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by Thinker on January 21st, 2010
No Masturbation is not a sin: Please read the following information:
http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/masturbationnotsinlev1516.html
http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/masturbation.html
I hope this answers your question.
by Anonymous on December 5th, 2011
If it turns you away from God it is. If Jesus remains your Lord and Savior no.
by Violet on August 18th, 2009
no such thing as a sin.. how about you think for yourself, and not listin to everything people and a book tell you
by countreydude9878 on January 2nd, 2010
The human body needs to have sexual release. Animals don't masturbate, but when they get a chance to mate, they mate. Humans can't find a piece of pussy everytime they need release. sexual release is good for the body. The Priests when they were horny never had to masturbate they had plenty of Nuns and little boys to have sex with. You want to solve the rape problems you must allow people to have sex.
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
O Horatio there more things in your world than you can even dream about.
I'm 51 years old and mastrubate daily. Are there other guys that do it to
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How old were you the first time you ever masturbated? What were you thinking of at the time?
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This answer sounds like something satan would tell someone.Seriously I'm not joking.
by Jesus is God on August 12th, 2009
"Jesus is God" - Since you listen to Satan so much, I guess you'd know.
+6 for your realistic and rational answer, HasntBeen
by wing.walker on August 12th, 2009
Gracias.
@JiG: I guess you won't be buying my book then? I'm thinking of titling it "Things the Devil Taught Me". Snappy? Or self-indulgent?
by HasntBeen on August 12th, 2009
A bit of both, HB. ;) But what the hell; whatever sells. :) +6
by xhepera on August 12th, 2009
Hehe.
@JiG: Experts agree: you can't be helped. You took the blue pill and can no longer spit it back out. But, if you had any real conscience, you'd try to avoid making others suffer your fate as well. You're like the crabs in the bucket who grab onto the legs of the one who wants to escape, and try to pull him back in. "Don't worry, it will be fine!", says ye. "We're only going to remove your brain and replace it with pre-recorded material!".
Thinking for oneself is a tremendous opportunity that comes with being human. Those who trade that in to calm their insecurities are sad, but those who sell that trade to others are the real devils.
by HasntBeen on August 12th, 2009
I know what the word of God says about satan,and your answer fits right in with what he would say.All I am going to say about this.You sir are doing the work of your father the devil.And are an enemy of Christ,by decieving this fella.
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by Jesus is God on August 12th, 2009
Alright to maybe quell this flamewar a little, let me share some details. I'm 19, was raised in a strict catholic family where the basic mindset was sexual thoughts are something that just should not happen (until you're married). But being a 19 year old male I do feel like i need some release (if you understand my meaning.) And when i do it i need some visual stimulation, so i get on the computer and look at nude girls. When I'm done i feel guilty, because i still believe in my religion despite doing things that it condemns.
by Matttt on August 12th, 2009
Hold there,you feel guilty.Why?If there is nothing wrong with it,why feel guilty?Look don't go by what the catholic church tells you,but rather go by what the word of God says.That is the ultimate authority.What would make more sense?Go by what the church tells you,or Gods word?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Here are good links for your question.
http://www.gotquestions.org/masturbation-sin.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/pornography-Bible.html
commenting for matttt,unsubscribe from the others.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
But the worst part is that all my friends, and basically everyone i know has none of these problems. They all say they masturbate, and are perfectly at peace with that. When a "hot girl" walks by they'll turn their heads and make comments, all that stuff. And all I can do is avert my eyes, and stay out of it. I feel like I'm the only person my age that even thinks twice about any of this.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
See that is the main thing,don't judge yourself based on what everyone else is doing.But judge it by what the word of God says.Sexual immorality is a sin that Paul said to flee from.He said of all other sins,to fight against,go to war against it.But fornocation,Paul says to flee from.That sin is very powerful to men.Ponography is the number one sin that alot of Christian men have a hard time with.You just have to put it in Gods hands.If your a christian,you will be able to over come this.Bottomline is don't put yourself in this situation.Think of it this way,by doing this on purpose,your saying Jesus i know you had to endure this sin on the cross,but I am going to do it anyway.Your spitting in Jesus face.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
The bible is plain on this being a sin.But no,don't go by what your friends are doing,go by what the word of God says.Let the scripture speak and never twist it to justify something.trust me that is a hard sin and will devour you if you allow it to manifest in your life.Flee from it,it is hard,but you must.Jesus said lest ye repent(Turn From)you will all likewise perish.You can't practice that sin.The best way to know if you fit what paul was saying in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 is that are you giving in more than you win the battle?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Just e-mail me tomorrow and we'll look at scripture and get through this.I can promise it won't be my opinion.But Gods word,and what it says.And what evidence of a true christian is according to the bible.My prayers are certainly with you.I won't judge or look down on you,cause were all deserving of hell,were all sinners.Just because your saved doesn't mean your sin is gone as 1 John says,the christian life is a struggle.But oh the reward at the end of this life for those who persevere to the end.God Bless.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
JiG you have a lot of nerve preaching to this gentleman like you care, when many of us know the terrible, blasphemous things you've said about the Catholic church. Why don't you tell him how you really feel about his faith.
by xhepera on August 13th, 2009
Now we're getting some interesting stuff!
@Mattt: the technical term for what you're experiencing is 'conditioning'. Having been told that sexual thoughts were sinful for many years, your mind has formed certain automated habits of thinking... it's no longer under conscious control. Just like any kind of habit, it 'just happens' by itself.
All children are subjected to conditioning, whether intentional or not, by their parents. For the most part, life just goes on with no awareness of this automatic thinking -- people think they're thoughts are simply reality being perceived directly.
You seem to be at least somewhat aware that you've been 'programmed' by your Catholic upbringing. That's a good thing, the first step to freedom is seeing that you're trapped.
All conditioning fades in time if you keep challenging it and don't reinforce it. But you can't make it go away instantly, you're just going to have to put up with feeling guilty. What you need is some more confidence in your own judgment about right and wrong, and unfortunately you cannot get that from religion, because religion only teaches fixed rules and principles, it does not teach good judgment.
Rules and principles are helpful mainly to those who have not yet developed the ability to think for themselves. They're like training wheels on a bike: they help the child to keep from falling over, but if retained too long they interfere with smooth riding.
What you need is a real understanding of morality, something that allows you to see clearly WHY those rules were created in the first place, so that you can judge each situation for yourself on something more sound than "mommy and daddy told me so". That's moral maturity.
Unfortunately, the rules in religions are a mixture of good stuff and nonsense. The nonsense is mostly things that were culturally inherited, such as the caste rules in Hinduism or a lot of the Mosaic law in the Bible... they fit one particular culture at one time, but they're far from being universally valid. The more stable and useful stuff is truly moral, such as 'thou shalt not kill'. But even that has exceptions, as everyone knows, so you still need to develop moral judgment.
So that's your task at this point in your life with regard to this topic: developing a good internal moral compass. To do that, you simply must think for yourself, and having others (me or JiG or your parents) tell you right from wrong is not going to help... it will just give you a different mental prison to live in.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
@HB, I agree with you on some aspects, disagree in others.
I know what conditioning is. It's like the guy in A Clockwork Orange. I think the masturbation part is kinda conditioned because when I do it I feel a pretty high amount of guilt, and it happens automatically.
But I truly do believe that it's immoral to look at girls lustfully, so guilt from that doesn't just come from "being conditioned" i think. My girlfriend is also Catholic and when we're together the feelings can sometimes get pretty intense, so i thnk it's better to relieve my sexual tension privately than carry that around near her.
So i'm pretty sure i know what i'm gonna do: just stop masturbating to other girls on the internet and instead think about her when i have to do it. i'll probably still feel some guilt but i gotta do what i gotta do.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
I didn't say whether or not its moral to "look at girls lustfully". I said you should work on that within your own heart and mind, rather than letting others tell you whether or not its sinful -- letting other people "guilt you" and control you is the issue. I trust that if you can be aware of, and discount, your own conditioning, and do the same with all the potent messages that others are firing at your brain, you'll have a decent chance of coming to terms with the issue in a way that has integrity. That's much more useful than simply having a book of do's and don'ts and always coloring inside its lines.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Your heart and mind?Genesis 6:5,Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,and that every intent of the thoughts of his HEART was only EVIL continually.So yes go ahead and count on your heart which is evil continually.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Matttt,how is looking at your girl friend in lust any different than the ones on the computer?Lust is lust,your not married to her,so looking upon her is the same as the computer girls.You said you'll still feel SOME guilt.There are no small sins in Gods eyes.This isn't a game were playing here.The bible is clear on lust,and the punishment for not repenting of that sin.Yes were all going to sin,but there is a difference in sinning not intending to and sinning on purpose.I would be careful with doing what you got to do.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
You have a choice,you can listen to the word of God,or hasntbeen who is doing nothing but the devils work.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
i didn't say i plan on thinking indecent thoughts about her. just thinking about being with her, her face, i don't consider that lusting.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
@JiG: if every bit of our thoughts is evil, doesn't that apply to your thoughts about morality as well? It seems to me you've just said, indirectly "everything I say comes from evil".
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Jesus said were made a new creature.My thoughts are from the bible.The bible isn't evil.So once again your wrong.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
You don't consider that lusting?Does the bible.What makes you arroused?It has to be lust,what else does it?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
So you're thoughts are pure and perfect, but other's thoughts are evil. Interesting. You must be extremely special ;)
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Just thinking about being around her, talking to her, holding her, and kissing her arouses me. I don't think that's lust. I'm not thinking about her taking her clothes off or anything.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Sounds like you may have a normal physiological and psychological response of a male to a female he finds attractive. If that's a crime, we're all in big trouble.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Where did I ever say my thoughts are pure?That is all you ever do is twist and make crap up.If you'll read my answer's,you'll see where I show that PRACTICING.Matttt lets see how long that last?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Let's see how long what lasts?
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
@JiG: Let me elaborate on what i mean by "doing what i gotta do." My girlfriend is my number 1 priority, and i know this will probably offend you, but i would rather commit a personal sin than to have her around my pent-up sexual tension. If that offends God and is a sin than oh well. I would rather do that than bring anything unpure near her.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
When speaking of desire and biblical context does anyone consider the very erotic imagery and desire put forth in the Song of Solomon?
by xhepera on August 13th, 2009
I have a feeling that was like the wine Jesus made from water... some sort of flesh-colored grape juice :)
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
*sigh* You're probably right. You realize that anyone reading that though is gonna wonder what you're smoking since most probably haven't seen that particular piece of ridiculousness from our resident gadfly.
by xhepera on August 13th, 2009
S'ok. 57% of them think I'm smoked anyway :)
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Matttt your saying oh well that Jesus had to endure that sin.Too bad huh?First of all having your girl friend ahead of God is breaking the first commandment.Jesus said to be His desciple your love for your family must seem like hate.God commands He be first in your life.If your girl friend is,then you have a problem
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
I love it when you demonstrate my point so forcefully without me having to lift a finger! Thank God for JiG! :)
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
I don't understand why she shouldn't be my first priority. God doesn't need be to be there for him, my girlfriend does. And wouldn't it be selfishness to set God as my first priority only to save my own soul, rather than putting her first? I don't see how me setting God ahead of her with the intention of saving myself would be righteous, that sounds pretty self-centered to me.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Somebody give that guy a thinking-for-himself award :)
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Have you ever even read the bible?Show me where Jesus or in the bible period it says to put anyone before God?Show me that and then,i'll continue to discuss this with you.Notice the God hater agreeing with you.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Applauds for Matttt ;-)
by Coexist on August 13th, 2009
Awww... don't get sore! I'm not a God-hater. And I love it when you show up on my threads, you're like Mini-Me, only without the cute little button nose! :)
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Stop bearing false witness, JiG. HasntBeen can hardly be termed a "God hater."
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Mattt, "God hater," or "child of Satan," or "atheist" are terms that JiG likes to toss around when people don't agree with him. Looks like you're about to become one of the above as well. ;) Of course, you probably already are because you're Catholic. And JiG despises the Catholic church. Frankly, I don't know why he's even bothering to talk to you since, in his words, Catholics are not Christians.
by xhepera on August 13th, 2009
Well in all fairness to JiG, he's at least consistent. You can count on him to call everybody the same names, to fall into the same kinds of confusion each day, to ignore logic and facts with the fury of a kitten dropped in the toilet bowl, and to always mistake disagreement for Devil Worship. It's not often such consistency is found in a mere human, we should all learn from his example.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Like I said look who is applauding you.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
I will always be a Christian. To me being Christian means to not act selfishly or to indulge in selfish acts of pleasure, and most importantly to put others before myself. That's why i said i put my girlfriend before myself or even God if putting God first is just a way to avoid being punished. My father always told me to "always put a lady before yourself", so of course i'm gonna put MY lady first.
And yes I am Catholic, and yes Catholics are Christian.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Here is what the bible says about putting God first.
http://www.oldpaths.com/Archive/Davison/Roy/Allen/1940/firstpla.html
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
See your problem,you always say well I think,or to me,our opinions mean nothing,it is what the word of God says.I didn't say not to put your girlfriend before yourself,I said to put God before anyone as the bible is clear on.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Aye. That explains why all believers see exactly the same thing in God's Word.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
But you see that goes back to the part of the bible i don't agree with. The one where God asks Abraham to kill his son. I don't think God wants us to put him first, I think God expects us to put others first and that's how we serve Him. Not by jeopardizing or hurting others in his name. So, to sum it up God should not be in our priorities at all, but by staying true to ourselves and sacrificing our instincts in order to put others first we serve God.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Part of the bible you don't agree with?What do you think about most in a day?That is your God.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
God should not be in our priorities at ALL?Wow!!!!,you are one decieved young man.Can you show me that in scripture?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Good bye,God must show you the truth,cause I can't.God help you.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
I'm saying that by putting other people first, we serve God. Putting God first doesn't really mean anything because He isn't on earth, he's watching how we treat other people.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Like I said SHOW me in scripture.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
>>I'm saying that by putting other people first, we serve God.<<
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You are a perceptive young man. And THAT is a true Christian attitude. :)
by xhepera on August 13th, 2009
@Mattt: the way to convince JiG of something is to tell him what he already believes. Everything else will be met with an endless loop tape-recorder which insists that you "prove" it by citing Bible verses he agrees with.
If you cite Bible verses which show God acting like a vicious egotist, or recommending that people buy their rape victims form their father, or claiming that the Earth was created in 6-days, you will be accused of doing the Devils work and being deceived, etc.
So your choice is simple: continue arguing with the stone wall, or agree with him and stoke his ego. Neither will make any difference, just so you know.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Would you kill a woman if God asked you to?
Because if God is you're highest priority then you would have to answer yes as did Abraham.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Mattt, you're 10 times the Christian this guy will ever be. And you cannot get through to him, believe me. Lots and lots of sincere people have tried. You are wasting your effort. But, you're entertaining us, so at least there's that. :)
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Did God allow Abraham to go through with it?God isn't going to,so why ask such a stupid question.I love how the anti bible believers are with you now.That should tell you something.But it won't.Like I said show me in scripture.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
10 times the christian?This coming from an unbeliever.Yes i love to take your advice,over what the word of God says.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Hey hasntbeen,what do you think Jesus was saying in John 14:6?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Being willing to do something is no less than doing the act itself. That's why Jesus said to lust after a woman is to commit adultery.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
@JiG: I've showed you plenty of places in the scripture that absolutely are horrifying to morality, and you never responded with any intelligent defense. You're still a liar who weasels his way around the tough parts and hammers away against logic until he wears people out with sheer stubbornness. I don't mind, I enjoy having you around. But you fool yourself and you flatter yourself, and everybody knows it but you.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
Matthew 10:22 and you will be hated by all for my names sake.Who would that be?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
I have an answer to your questions hasntbeen,God is soverign.Does not the Potter have control over the clay.God is Holy and will send judgement for mans actions.God judges whole generations for mans evil.The Bible says up to 4 generations.He is God,you are man,He can do what he pleases with His creation.What are you going to do about it?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
I'm pretty sure he's ashamed of you. But whatever.
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
So matttt I guess you don't believe in an eternal hell huh?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
I'd go to Hell before I'd go against those I love.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
You didn't finish the Abraham story. Abraham did put God first, and what happened because He did? Just before he was going to sacrifice his son God stopped him and gave him a ram to sacrifice instead. Abraham put God first, and God blessed him by letting him keep his son. If you put God first then God will give you what makes you happy. He will give the the perfect girl that is right for you.
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You are only 19, and girlfriends will come and go. God is ever lasting and so will your soul be. If I was you I'd put the person first who will be around longest.
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You said you don't lust after your girlfriend. If you are able to get an erection that terminates in orgasm and ejaculation, guess what, that is lust.
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We don't have the choice to pick and choose what we want to follow out of the Bible. It says love God and put him first. Teenage crushes do not supersede that.
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JIG is correct in everything he has said by the way.
by Randoley on August 13th, 2009
Lets review, JiG. Deuteronomy says a rapist can buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Do you think that's right? Do you think that's "God's Word"? The OT is full of all sorts of direct or indirect endorsements of slavery. Do you think that's right? Are you so dense, so completely brainwashed, that you cannot say "um... no, slavery is wrong and buying your rape victim is wrong".
In other words, are you a complete and utterly unredeemable idiot, or is it possible for you to do anything besides repeating the same tape loops over and over again?
by HasntBeen on August 13th, 2009
@Randoley: as I said earlier being willing to do something is no less than doing the act itself. That's why Jesus said to lust after a woman is to commit adultery.
And I'm 19. It's not a crush we've been together for over a year, and we are attending the same college for the next 3 years.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Hey mattt why did Jesus say in Luke 14:26,if anyone comes to Me and does not hate his Father and Mother,wife and children,brothers and sisters,yes and his own life also,he CANNOT be my desciple.Jesus is saying that your love for your family must seem like hate compared to your love for Him.Jesus comes first.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
How could I hate my family they made me who I am. Did Jesus hate his mother, Mary?
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
hasntbeen,Give me a Bible verse that God says it is ok to rape.Donot just list a verse in which someone was randomley raped,I want Gods words.If you can't find one,quit posting lies.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
You didn't listen to JIG's explanation. Jesus only used "hate" to compare the love for Him and the love for others. When you compare the 2 one only seems like hate. Jesus often used extreme examples to get His points across.
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Let me tell you what lustful thoughts do, and what Jesus meant when he said it was the same as adultery. First like you said, you will start rubbing one off thinking about her smell and and look of her eyes. That might be sexually satisfying for a few months. Then it progresses to thinking of touching her boobs. After that gets old you progress to thoughts of oral copulation, then full on penetration, but fantasies will only satisfy for a short time. If you don't go back to looking at internet trash, then something has to come about with all of the images and fantasies you have conjured up for yourself. Next stop, sex with the fantasy you have created. Then you will have to come up with a whole knew set of excuses and justifications to get rid of that guilt.
by Randoley on August 13th, 2009
Hey hasntbeen having any luck?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
If you are still with this girl after 3 years of college, then I'll change my name to Brenda.
by Randoley on August 13th, 2009
Brenda suits you Randoley.Ha.We aint liked very much huh?
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
There is a reason Paul said to flee from fornication.The only sin he says not to battle.
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
Hey Randoley george just challenged God to a duel.Why do we argue with these people?All they do is mock God.
http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/7441544
by Jesus is God on August 13th, 2009
@Randoley: I don't think about doing sexual things to my girlfriend. I just think about being with her. As I've said earlier her purity is very important to me and her. I have control over my thoughts.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
For now you do. Give it a few months, and see where those thoughts lead. How respectful is that to any woman anyway? Using her to get your rocks off?
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I take my sexual purity very seriously. I will not go any farther than holding hands with a woman. Anything past that is disrespectful and leads to lust.
by Randoley on August 13th, 2009
It's better than being around her full of sexual tension, that is what I would consider a violation.
by Matttt on August 13th, 2009
Matttt listen to this,it is only 4 minutes long.This is why I put Christ first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-ERmIuTHAA
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Paul said if you can control the lust to stay unmarried.but if you can't the take a wife.That is commendable Randoley.Your a strong man in Christ to do that.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
How would she react knowing you sploodge to thoughts of her? I think any woman would be disgusted. Listen to how selfish you are being. "I want this girl, so I'm putting her before God" and "I don't like the way I feel when around her so when I go home I will use her as a sex object to make myself feel better" do you see how selfish those lines of thinking are?
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You aren't putting her first at all, your desires and satisfaction comes first. If you put God first, then you won't have to deal with any of this stuff.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
That guys voice was so irritating i couldn't make it halfway through that, and I've never woken up in my own vomit BTW (i don't drink.) Can't believe I turned off my music for that. :)
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Randoley: I can't believe i'm sharing this (there's internet anonymity for ya) but we've talked about masturbation before. I told her that i do it and that i sometimes think about her. Her face turned red and then she started giggling. She said that she didn't really mind.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
He was showing what a sinner he was,and that Jesus saves the worst of sinners.He was giving God so much glory and you mock him.When i saw that it brought me to tears that my Lord is that gracious toward sinners.I'm going to be blunt with you.You need to get saved.The things you have said on here are not what 1 John says a christian is.You said that we shouldn't make God a priority,and ask a question if you can masturbate to porn,and mock a man who is real and is testifying to how wonderful Jesus is.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Quoting Randoley: "I don't like the way I feel when around her so when I go home I will use her as a sex object to make myself feel better"
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Sir, you could not be more wrong. I feel so elevated when I'm with her that the world feels like a different place. She makes me feel and understand things that I could only describe as othreworldly. For you to make that ridiculous statement is pretty uncalled for.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
JiG: I was joking, did not mean to offend you. I apologize.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
* i meant i was joking about the video
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
You said you didn't like the sexual tension when around her. That is what I was referring to.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
I said I don't like "carrying it around near her" because i think it's a violation of her purity. That's why i relieve it in private. I love the way i feel near her.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
So, thinking of her in a sexual way while rubbing your penis until to shoot is not a violation of her purity? I love how people can find ways to justfy anything.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Umm... see this previous post:
"Randoley: I can't believe i'm sharing this (there's internet anonymity for ya) but we've talked about masturbation before. I told her that i do it and that i sometimes think about her. Her face turned red and then she started giggling. She said that she didn't really mind."
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
I read that, and I still think you are finding excuses to jerk off. Why did you even post this question?
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
I posted this question because I feel guilt after i masturbate. More specifically, I feel guilty because I sometimes go and search out pictures of naked women to masturbate to. I've realized that it's highly immoral for me as a Christian to do that. But because i still need to masturbate (or i feel like i need to) i decided that i could think about my girlfriend in a fairly innocent way to stimulate myself while masturbating. I know it doesn't quite add up to perfect Christian logic, but at least I'm trying. You can't say that about 95% of people my age that don't think twice about masturbating to anything, and who think of girlfriends as sexual conquests.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Too many comments. I don't care to read them right now, but great answer! Very wise and helpful. You never cease to impress me HasntBeen.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
Can't you see that there is nothing innocent about thinking of her that way?
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Why are you against the harmless pleasures of life?
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
please do not come over hear to screw with things just because i ticked you off in another thread.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
You are very full of yourself Randoley. I bet you feel proud. Sorry to burst your bubble but I found this thread because I like to follow the wisdom of HasntBeen.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
I know how you opperate.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
I just had a nice conversation with my good friend Jesus. He told me that he won't be able to mow my lawn this week because he has a family emergency in Mexico. Darn, looks like I will have to mow it myself.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV)
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [a] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
As we see here and in other passages, the OT and the culture of Israel in those days treated women largely as property of their father which transferred to the husband upon marriage. A woman who had been raped had 'lost her market value', and the damage was considered to have occurred to her father, not to her. Thus the requirement that the rapist compensate the father rather than the victim.
This and many other Bible verses provide clues into the primitive mindset of the culture, as well as the crude policy rules formulated by their leaders to manage the people.
The notion that this was God's law is patently absurd. I've found that believers almost never recognize these verses when they are cited: they've read the Bible, often, but haven't really read it. They mentally just tuned out the parts that scream 'what the hell???'
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
So, Randoley, I'll be expecting your apology for the comment about spreading lies. Feel free to make it gracious, as I believe I can run circles around you on this and related topics.
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
How is there nothing innocent about it? I'm thinking about her as a person being around me, not her body. That's as innocent and respectful as it gets.
Randoley if you think it's disrespectful to do more than hold hands with a woman you are very confused. Women love to be held, cuddled, kissed and all that stuff, nothing makes them happier.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Mattt, in my view, the very "sexually uptight" Christians do a lot of damage to their children by pumping a lot of ideas into their heads so they feel guilty about normal sexual feelings. Of course, sex can be a dangerous thing, and we all need to be careful not to abuse it or harm others or produce unwanted children, etc. But feeling guilty for simply being a normal young man is not healthy, it's harmful.
This kind of repressive guilt programming turns children into adults who have serious sexual problems and psychological difficulties that have sexual roots. Not all Christians think like Randoley and JiG, their views are actually pretty extremist even by Christian standards.
You need to guard your own psychological well-being. These people are not your buddies, they only want to be self-righteous and express their anger that everyone doesn't come to them for guidance.
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
Make no mistake about it: excessive guilt does serious damage. There's a difference between a true understanding of morality, vs. just being bombarded with suppressive messages that turn you into a guilt-robot. This is not just a matter of "everyone has their own opinion", it's a matter of psychological damage.
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
Anyway, I hate to indicate any form of boredom or inattention, but here's a guy whose "spouse" is some form of animal... he hasn't said which species. He has an elaborate justification for this, swears it's genuine love: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1465069
I suggest that the angry/righteous Christians on this thread would be better served by sending him some Hellmail. I've broken my pick on the guy already.
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
Like i said hasntbeen show me any verses where God codones rape.You can't.Also how about reading the whole book of Deuteronomy,not just a couple of verses.Hasntbeen,I don't see why all these God haters see you as wise.Cause all you do is twist scripture and cherry pick.Your nothing but a liar.If you read those verses you'll see God didn't allow whoremongering,if you lie with a woman,you must marry her.That sounds so horrible.Why did you leave verse 30 out?A man shall NOT take his father's wife,nor uncover his father's bed.Twist not satan.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Also next time don'e qoute from the NIV,that version is garbage.Why don't you ever quote Genesis 6:5,or John 3:16,all you ever do is try to find something that you can twist and take it out of context,by not reading the whole chapter.Why don't you quote Luke 10:8,where it says unbelievers will not understand?I like how you judge the bible,all because your dad was an idiot and abused you.Have you ever read matthew 7?Your dad lines right up with it.Your lies have no argument.Good bye and keep spewing your lies you and your demon george.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Yes your website just shows how evil man is,thanks for making Genesis 6:5 right.The wise and noble hasntbeen.Notice who thinks this,all the God haters.I think your a worker of satan,your on the path of destruction,how wise can that be?
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
You're a fool. Lemme talk to Randoley for a bit, and see if his IQ is any higher.
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
JiG is so funny when he goes on a rant. I picture him all bug-eyed, flecks of foamy spittle dotting his lips, neck all corded, face bright red, little veins popping out on the forehead. Quite the demonic visage.
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Oh, and I often wonder why God even needs Satan as an alleged enemy when there are folks like JiG who do the job at least as well, and probably better, when it comes to turning people away from God. A lot of people who rant and rave about who or what the anti-Christ will be have only to look in the mirror for their answer. The anti-Christ wears the face of the modern evangelical zealot.
by xhepera on August 14th, 2009
Yeah, all valid. But what about A Boy and His Dog? Did you catch this thread? I believe he popped a breaker in my head somewhere.
Interestingly, his justifications of his relationship with his dog remind me of JiG's justifications for ignoring all criticism... convoluted, bizarre, determined...
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
Hasntbeen, this is the first response I have given to any of your posts, so why do I owe you an apology? I have only responded to Mattt in a civil way. You on the other hand have been insulting condescending and abusive. I hope Matt can see the difference in our approaches and see that I really do wish to help him.
.I'll answer your questions about the rape and stuff. You have to look at the culture and the times those things were written. Before that the Jewish people were barbarians killing each other for looking the wrong way. God set down laws to control them. By todays standards they are horrible and wrong, but for that time they were very fair and civil.
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You have to differentiate between the 3 types of laws God set down. There are civil laws, how people should treat each other. There are criminal laws, the rape and execution stuff, and there are laws of worship. Put the different things into context and they make more since.
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by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
I understand your explanation, although it raises all sorts of questions about the nature of God, and justice, etc.
But, you've conveniently blown by your own misstep, which I was pretty sure you would do. You accused me of "spreading lies" with this talk about buying rapists from victims. So now I've supplied you with evidence. You owe me an apology, or at least an acknowledgment that you were plain, flat-out wrong.
I'm pretty confident that I will not get an apology, I just wanted you to have an opportunity to publicly display your true character, if you choose to.
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
Will you quote where I called you A liar? I reveiewd my posts and I don't see it.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Uh... actually, you're right. It was JiG who told me I was spreading lies with that. My apologies... I'm used to his form of abuse, and it looks like I mixed up his post with yours.
So, JiG... how about that apology? :)
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
Yes, HB, I read the "Boy and His Dog" thread. And you're right. I put both of their reasoning tactics and abilities on the same par. Frightening. And disgusting.
by xhepera on August 14th, 2009
I understand why you used the dog boy as a comparison for these extremist conformist Christians, and honestly I think are equally bad. The dog boy stands up for raping animals, while the extremists stand up for rape young virgin women and the murder of innocent children. There are plenty of scriptures in the old testament that talk about God asking the Hebrews to execute whole tribes of people except for the virgin women, to keep them for themselves. Anyone with any common sense knows that those virgin women had to choose between life and death (assuming they weren't raped for not willingly giving themselves over for sex), either refuse sex and die, or give up their virginity and live. What woman in her right mind would desire to be with the same men who slaughtered her entire family? But whoa to those of us who point out these atrocities and question the holiness of the false Christian/Jewish God, for we are labeled as devils, fit for eternal punishment. LMAO.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
Yep. I'd say there's no question that if an objective person reads the OT attentively, they come away with a very different impression than if a believer reads it. Belief definitely introduces a heavy hand of bias. Of course, believers are loaded up with long-winded explanations which minimize the horrors of that stuff, Randoley has dropped a teensy sample on us above, but these are hardly satisfying to someone who is really pressing the moral and logical issues with any sincerity.
In any case, what really matters isn't ancient books but character. I bet I'm not going to get an apology from JiG. Anybody want the other side of that bet?
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
I think one problem is that I'm not sure what exactly Jesus considered lusting. Deep down I really do want to have sex with my girlfriend (i'd be lying if i said otherwise). After all she's the girl that i'm in love with and attracted to, and I really have no control over that desire. But I fight against that instinct because I know i could never live with myself if i tried to get her to do that. Changing that desire would be like getting a thirsty man to not want a drink of water. How could that be considered lusting and a sin if i can't really help wanting to do it? I can't just shut off my physical attraction to her, I'm not a robot.
How could anybody be so perfect and not have one little thought or glance at a girl's body? There's no way all that could be a sin. I just don't know how it would be possible to go through life without lusting if that's the definition of lust. Isn't it good enough to just make sure i don't act on it?
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
And BTW i come back from work and now have no idea what you guys are talking about in this thread.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Threads in which JiG participates tend to end up that way, Mattt. Sorry. :(
by xhepera on August 14th, 2009
No, actually threads in which George and Hasntbeen tend to end up this way. A person asks a question in the religious section asking about God or Christian morals, a Christians answers hoping to help that person, then comes along those two to confuse, distort and change the subject into an attack on God. If the conversation has turned from the original topic re-read the comments and see when it happened.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
America once condoned slavery. At one time crippled and mentally ill people were locked away. Public executions were done in the town square for stealing bread. Gay people were put in prisons or institutionalized. Just 40 years ago black people were not allowed to enter through the front of stores and restaurants. Poor people were put in prison for not paying their bills. Children used to work in sweat shops. All of theses things were legal and approved by the powers that be. Do you denounce America for doing these things? Of course not, because we no longer do them.
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The same goes for God. All of the things you have brought up no longer apply. We are now under the teachings of Jesus. Can you name or give one example of a Christian sect that does or condones anything that you 2 have listed? You can't. Can you give one example of anything Jesus said that is in your opinion corrupt or unjust? No you can't.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
I can name 2:
The Christian Reconstructionists.
The Christian Identity movement.
by xhepera on August 14th, 2009
Never heard of them, I will look them up. If they aren't following what Jesus says then they aren't Christians. I'll have to see.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Randoley, you just made my point for me: we don't condemn America for those things, because America was not yet morally mature enough to understand that slavery was just plain wrong. And, I won't condemn the ancient Israelites for being morally ignorant either -- that's the way morality is -- our understanding of it evolves and refines with time, and is now vastly superior to what it was just 100 years ago, and light-years from what it was at the time Moses (or whomever) wrote about selling daughters to rapists. I completely agree with you, we cannot denounce those people for believing the ignorant things they believed.
But, believers in the Bible as God's Word have a big problem now -- because they're claiming that an all-knowing, fully-mature deity somehow coughed up these rules. And that is absolutely, completely logically incoherent. He either was not the authority on morality, or he had little or nothing to do with these rules. I suspect the latter.
You allude to the famous (infamous?) argument that Jesus swept all that away, which seems to make sense when not studied to closely. But wait a minute... you still haven't explained how a morally mature deity could have made up all these sick, convoluted, quirky rules, and then a few centuries later decided to toss them all for love and admiration. It's entirely erratic and bizarre behavior, and it does nothing to justify the weird stuff in the OT. It's like you have 2 different Gods and glued them end-to-end and wrapped them in a manger. It's just senseless.
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
It's not senseless. God can change his opinion, he has done it before. If those laws were valid for that time, He imposed those laws. If they aren't valid now, then there is no need to impose them. Even the strict modern Jews don't follow all of them, not even the laws toward worship. Maybe I'm not getting what you are saying, but I don't see any inconsistencies. The God from back then is the same God today to me. When we were kids our parents had stricter rules and did things that we thought were too harsh, but as we got older we got more freedoms. How is that any different between the Old and New Testaments? I also see the same God though out the whole Bible. Even with the things that we would consider barbaric in our modern eyes, I still see a God who cares for His creation, and wants the best for us.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
When I said name a Christian sect I wasn't thinking of crazy hate groups or cults. I don't consider them Christian. You are right about the The Christian Re-constructionists and The Christian Identity movement still following the Old Testament laws, but they are far from being Christian. One group wants to over throw the government and force people to worship God by instituting OT law to every person. The other group believes that white Americans are the only true decedents of the Jews and only they can attain salvation. Saying those two groups are Christian is like saying the KKK and the Taliban are equal rights advocates. If those were my only examples of Christianity, I would join you George and Hasbtbeen.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Hasntbeen when you answer my question i'll apologize to you.And if you can't you owe me an apology.Also why didn't you apologize to Randoley for bearing false witness against him?Here is the question you keep avoiding.Show me one verse out of Gods own mouth where He condones rape?
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
See me and Randoley was trying to show matttt the truth of what scripture says,and then all these unbelievers come butting in asusual.He asked a christian answer,that an unbeliever isn't qualified to answer according to Gods word.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
The new testament is what christianity is.Paul was bold in giving the gospel.Show me in scripture where me or Randoley error.Not your opinion,but scripture.Show me where showing someone their life style isn't Christ like is against Jesus teaching.Why did Jesus speak of hell more than anyone in the bible combined?Unbelievers have never answered that question.Why did Jesus say lest ye repent you shall all like wise perish.Can you answer these?What does repent mean?Turn from.How is practising sin turning from sin?If your defined by your sin,you haven't repented.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Name one time me or Randoley said we don't sin?There is a difference in sinning and sinning just to be sinning.If you can keep going back to the same sin and do it over and over again,your not saved,according to Paul,Peter and John.See I was drunk and now I don't drink anymore.Noah got drunk,but does the bible show him doing it again?NO,David commited adultrey,but does the bible show him doing it again?NO.See what repentance is?They don't make a habit of sinning,like 1 Corinthians 6:9,10.If a sin defines you,your not saved.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Paul Washer said you can know you had true repentance,if you continue to repent today.I may fall,but i'm not doing it again the very next day.I define 1 corinthians 6,by,do you have victory over the sin more than you give in?I can't name a sin that defines me.My biggest struggle is not praying like I should.It isn't nothing fleshly.It's spiritual.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Hey JiG and Randoley: neither of you answered my above question of what Jesus considered lusting because you're so caught up in flaming each other.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Did you even read any of my answer's to you,about what Jesus said about lust?Flaming eachother?OK.Since you ignore what I said Jesus said in Matthew,maybe you'll take what this says.
http://arorguk.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/lust/
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-lust.html
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
HastBeen did apologize to Randoley. Pay attention. Paul is a completely fictional character, a pretty bad one for sure. Have you read the scriptures that talk about Jesus selling his body for money to support his opium habit? No? Maybe you should ask him about it yourself. See if he says anything about why those scriptures have been removed from today's bible.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
Is it considered lust for me to want to have sex with my girlfriend even though i can't change that? I can suppress the urge but the desire will still be there. isn't that just considered being human, that can't be a sin?
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
We aren't flaming, we are defending our God. If you read the responses you can see who is insulting and who is responding to the insults. There is a big obvious difference in the way people are acting here.
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I can be pretty sure lust is any thought that leads to sexual arousal. Jesus doesn't give degrees of things he never said , "As long as you only think about how nice it is to be with her and never cross the line into thinking about her being naked you are okay" You are just looking for a way out. There is no line in the sand when it comes to sin where white lies, stealing office supplies, getting a bit buzzed on beer and only masturbating about holding hands is on one side, and character assassination, murder, rape, and unmarried sex is on the other. Sin isn't okay if it stays on the "not as bad as the other" side of the line.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Mattt, I hope you are paying attention to the posts. How are JIG and I supposed to let somebody say Jesus was a male prostitute and drug addict and not respond to that? Then we get accused of flaming?
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Ok, sorry to smirk and run. As much as I enjoy a good idiot bake, JiG just doesn't provide that much nutrition. Randoley has more going for him in the attic, but it's all the same old stuff that has been debunked many times before, and another pass through that same canyon of fallacies just doesn't arouse my interest much.
I am glad to see that JiG fulfilled my prophecy by not apologizing, not that it was any big surprise.
But overall, there's just not enough meat here to really sink my teeth into. And, since it's already a very long conversation that promises to get only longer, I'm going to unsubscribe to my own thread -- after my opponents get a chance to get in their final insults. So you each have one comment left to fry me with before I depart. You'll have the last word, I promise. Go:
by HasntBeen on August 14th, 2009
that can't be true! how can something i can't change be a sin? nobody can be that perfect. im confused :(
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Matttt, to be completely honest with you, the rules in the bible are man made. They were put together purposely to trap everyone in sin so that the church would have the power and control. There is nothing wrong with having sexual desires whatsoever. The only problem is when people do things like having sex with animals, raping and sexually abusing children. As long as two adults consent to sex, it is okay. To be completely honest with you, the bible says that Jesus said that even desiring sex is as bad as actually having sex, so since you are human and you cannot remove the parts of you that keep the human race alive, I recommend that you fully enjoy sexual relations with the woman you love because you will not be any more guilty than you already are (not that I believe you are guilty of anything, despite what these whoremonger Christian extremest claim). Enjoy life and be responsible. Treat your girlfriend well, and do not cheat on her. Have fun in life.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
I don't plan on having sex with her, but it really has nothing to do with being Christian. It's like I feel that anybody bringing sex near her would take something away or change something in her and i get so mad and jealous just thinking about that, even if i was the one that did it. It's hard to explain.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
I hope you aren't going to take the advise of a person who can talk so vile about Jesus are you?
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You are confused because you don't understand salvation through Jesus. Jesus came hear to die because being good and following a bunch of rules set up by a man in a funny hat doesn't cut it. You are right, no body is that perfect, but by becoming born again through repentance and asking Jesus to be our savior, we can be perfect in God's eyes. After we accept Jesus we will still sin, that is what grace is. God knows we can't stop sinning, so He gives us grace, if you are saved. God expects us to try not to sin. Sexual desires are natural, God expects us to master those desires, not have the desires master us (like George suggested). If none of this makes sense to you it is because you do not know Jesus as your savior.
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by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
dude im not taking his advice, read my previous post
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Hasntbeen, you will be waiting for a while for me to get in my last insult, because I haven't made any yet. I have answered your questions and gotten insults in response however. On the other hand you have not answered any of our questions and have only said insults and opinions pushed off as fact. I think you are confusing us with yourself.
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
yes, i see that, our posts got lost in the mix and out of order. We must have been posting at the same time. I'm glad you are wise enough to no listen to George.
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If you say it has nothing to do with being Christian, why are you here?
by Randoley on August 14th, 2009
Randoley you are a real pussy. I bet your wife walks all over you. Scumbag you are, do you molest your children too? Has God asked you to kill any of them?
by Don Gorgeous George on August 14th, 2009
i guess it does have something to do with being Christian, i was just using hyperbole.
by Matttt on August 14th, 2009
Hasntbeen once again dodged the question.
by Jesus is God on August 14th, 2009
Yet another insult.How many does that make now Randoley?See that is what happens when confronted with the truth.They just start flinging insults,that they think bothers us.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
By the way very well put on the gospel Randoley.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
Uh George, Randoley isn't married there.See he never listens.I seriously commend Randoley on that.Paul said to stay single if you can control the lust,but to take a wife if you can't.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
Are you guys still sucking each other's dicks?
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
Yes,That is why no one takes you serious george,accept those who hate God.See our point matttt?
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
Mattt, Jesus is the answer for all that you are confused about and going through.
by Randoley on August 15th, 2009
Right, that's why he is still confused. Don't listen to these chumps Matttt. They are the worst kinds of Christians who truly reject life and all of the good things about it in exchange for hopes in things that will never come. Beware of these wolves in sheep clothing, no matter how many scriptures they can recite.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
Rondoley just hit the nail right on the head.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
It seems that Randoley is gay. That's why he has never been laid. I am not surprised to find that you two have homosexual relations. There is a difference between being in control of heterosexual desires and not desiring them at all because you are a homosexual.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
Jesus said lay not up treasures upon the earth.My home is in glory with Christ.Paul said if in this life alone was our hope in Christ,we are of men most miserable.But HE is RISEN.WHOOOOOO!Ol yes He has risen.My Lord reins forever and ever.He is the alpha and omega the beginning and the end.Thank you Lord Jesus.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
God Bless Randoley and matttt.Just remember Christ heals all our wounds and gives us strength.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
But homosexuals aren't allowed in heaven so I guess Randoley is out. JIG, we are now aware that you are bisexual. I don't know how your false God feels about that, but knowing the hate you preach, I'm sure you wont be going to heaven either. Satan owns your soul.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
This is hasntbeen's friend.Guess what george?I turned the other cheek.God Bless,my prayers are with you.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
Just because HasntBeen is in my friends list doesn't mean that he agrees with everything I say. Thank you Jesus is God. I appreciate your kindness. I will pray for you in the name of Satan.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
Matttt, here is a good website that I think might help you out if you study it. Its from a person who genuinely cares and has been through the same things you have.http://www.geocities.com/fuzzyquark/christian_index.html
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
When George starts this stuff, (which he always does) it is time to stop talking to him.
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Mattt, we are still hear to talk to you though.
by Randoley on August 15th, 2009
Beware of the wolves Matttt. Don't forget that Randoley is about 40 years old and has never had a successful relationship. What advice can he offer you about your problems, seriously. These couple of extremists have no life experience and are incapable of talking to you as a normal human being. They reject their own opinions regardless and recite scriptures which no one can even prove was inspired by their God, who also cannot even be proven to exist.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
These are the same kinds of people who are responsible for your sexual guilt, something that most people are lucky enough to have never experienced. These same kinds of people have influenced your own parents who are partly to blame. I used to be in your shoes, but I found a way out. Now I enjoy responsible sex, guilt free. If you want to listen to these people, know that you will receive no help, and your sex life might be screwed. I know that mine was because of this same religious conditioning. Sexual desire is nothing to be ashamed of, and the longer you feel guilty about it, the harder it will be to overcome it when you are actually married one day. Many people suffer from sexual performance issues and religious conditioning is hugely to blame. Do yourself a favor and realize that you have these desires because you are a healthy human being. If you don't relieve yourself willingly, your body will in your sleep (wet dreams) and that is proof that nature intended for you to have orgasms. Why not enjoy nature's gift and be grateful, instead of putting yourself through unnatural guilt? I am here if you have any questions. Feel free to contact me elsewhere if you like.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
I'm not going to compete with George, but my email is available on my profile. It might be easier to talk with out interruptions.
by Randoley on August 15th, 2009
The longest comment session ever...wow...
by Sunny365 on August 15th, 2009
Did you read all of it? Do you wish to join in?
by Randoley on August 15th, 2009
I read some of it..
by Sunny365 on August 15th, 2009
Matttt, I'm sorry that your honest, sincere and heartfelt question has become such a clusterf***k. I'm unsubscribing from comments as nothing of any substance is being said here any longer. I will leave you with an opinion and a caveat.
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The best advice that you got here was that from HasntBeen. If you listen carefully to what he said, you will be able to form your own opinion on the issue that best meets the needs of your conscience and your perceived relationship with God.
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Although they're the ones telling you to be wary of others, I would be very, very careful of listening to JiG and Randoley. Why? Well, first of all they're both evangelical extremists of the worst sort. But, more importantly, I assume that your faith (Catholicism) is important to you. Do you think that you're getting good advice from people who despise Catholicism as JiG and Randoley do?
by xhepera on August 15th, 2009
I'm not making this up. I am no longer Catholic, but have been shocked by some of the things said on AB about the Church by these two and their cohorts. They do not even believe that the Church is Christian or that Catholics are Christians. I've heard this bunch describe the Church as the "Great Whore."
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Think about it. Are these people from whom you want to take spiritual instruction? People who are so willing to deny their brothers and sisters in Christ?
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Best of luck to you on your journey, Mattt!
by xhepera on August 15th, 2009
Me and Randoley isn't the ones who started insulting and mocking others.We have stayed on topic,hasntbeen and george are the ones who started dropping insults.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
The best advice was from hasntbeen?He is totally against what the bible has to say,so worldly advice isn't good advice.Remember satan is the prince of this world.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
This has all the questions and answers about the catholic church and how it doesn't line up with the word of God.It is plain and xherpra has no clue obviously of what the bible says.Xephera i have one question for you,by the bible,the catholic church has many teaching that are contrary from the what the bible teaches,so why do you call it christian,if the bible clearly show their not?The bible says NOT to add to the scriptures,inwhich they do.Paul said there is but one mediator between God and man,the man Christ Jesus.They believe in priest and popes.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
Here is the website.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-questions.html
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
Also Jesus said not to call any man Father upon the earth,cause there is but one Father who is in heaven.It is talking in a religious way and not saying not to call your dad father.Where does the scripture say to pray to Mary?Why does the pope say I am the way the truth and the life,no man comes to the Father but by me?He says that of himself.That is blasphemous and is totally twisting what Jesus said in John 14:6.They choose tradition when it comes to a stand still against scripure.What does that tell you.Yes me and Randoley are sola scriptura(Gods word alone is our authority).
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
I think the discussion was over JIG.
by Sunny365 on August 15th, 2009
Whoa... just got on and you guys are still posting. Thanks xhepera for your well wishes. And JiG, I am not debating the legitimacy of my religion with you.
200 posts later and I'm still in total despair...
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
At least the Catholic Priests are willing to admit that the bible is a work of men. The Catholic church has even admitted openly that Jesus is a myth. "How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us" - Pope Leo X 1513-1521.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
Im unsubsribing now, this is a chapterbook of comments...
by Sunny365 on August 15th, 2009
It seems you have a choice to make, either life or God. You can enjoy life and find out what you think is right and wrong or you can reject life and be like our friends Randoley and JIG.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
I'm just gonna keep on loving my girlfriend and treating her right. So what if i jerk off every now and then at least i'm just thinking about the girl i love. i can't be perfect.
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
JiG: how can you say not to call your father father? That is the greatest blasphemy. I respect my father more than anyone, he's taught me everything I know and made me who I am.
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
Matttt, as you can tell, I am no longer a Christian. I understand where you are and I at least hope you find peace in your sexuality. You are innocent to chose to enjoy masturbation, however, sex is meant to be enjoyed. I can assure you that our Creator prefers us to enjoy responsible sex over masturbating to girls on the internet (something that most of us guys who own a computer do from time to time). I once knew an ordained Christian minister who told me that it is not a sin to have sex with the woman you love, as long as you truly love her. He said that true marriage is a spiritual thing, not a public show. Many people get married who are not truly in love. So what is better, to have a public ceremony so you can feel you have the right to have sex, or to show someone you love the depth of your love by sharing one of the most precious things in life before doing a ceremony? The marriage ceremony is not necessary to be married, it is only a celebration and a way to formally let the world know of your spiritual bond. If you intend to spend the rest of your life with this girl, then it is okay to have sex with her. Whether or not it works out long term is not something I know, but most marriages don't work out long term. Why not share something so special with the woman you love?
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
"It is talking in a religious way and not saying not to call your dad father"
oh wait misread that. but there is a contradiction between your two statements.
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
George: as i said earlier, not having sex with her is not to stop myself from sinning, but because i feel like i'd be betraying the duty i have to her and her family. It hurts me so much to imagine anyone having sex with her, even me. I really don't know if there's something wrong with me but I just like seethe with anger at the thought of somebody violating her. can't explain it, i don't understand it myself.
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
If you don't think that your relationship will work out long term, then its probably best to not have sex with her because I can tell you are the kind of guy who might get very emotionally involved and seriously hurt if it doesn't work out. At the same time, experience is a good thing. It helps us prepare for future relationships. You don't want to end up like Randoley. Its okay to take chances once in a while. If it is her you are worried about, then let her make the first move on you, but don't try to rid yourself of sexual energy just so you don't get aroused with her. That is just so not natural. If my girlfriend let all of her sexual energy when she was away from me I would feel insulted and cheated. I would much rather her be honest with me about her strong sexual desires so we could work them out ourselves.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
I honestly don't understand either. I haven't been in that situation. I can't relate to feeling like you would be doing her an injustice by having sex with her. Is she against sex for some reason? Honestly, if she ever comes onto you, wanting sex, I see nothing wrong with having sex with her. I would definitely not push any sex on her. That isn't cool for her and I can tell it wouldn't be healthy for you psychologically. It is better to masturbate than to pressure her into sex. That is for sure. Let her make the first sexual advances. It might not hurt to let her know how much you find her attractive, and let her know that you have sexual desires. Maybe you should be honest with her about these things, but let her know that first and foremost is her well being. I hope this works out for you and I have a good feeling it will.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
just to give you a better picture: she also comes from a very Catholic family and is not about to have sex. Her dad also kind of scares me LOL (but i think he actually likes me now.) Also it already is long term as we've been together for just over a year. We're both going to the same college for the next 3 years.
And i'm not ridding myself of my sexual energy because i get extremely aroused around her, which is kind of amazing
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
Isn't it amazing? Just remember this, both of you will lose your virginity eventually. Why not give your virginity to the one you love? You will both look back on the first experience later on in life, regardless if you are still together and you will know that your first time was done right. You guys don't have to do anything you are uncomfortable with. Sex is special. Wait until the right time. As for her parents, they are human too and have been through the same things you are going through. What they want most is that their daughter doesn't end up with an unwanted pregnancy or getting hurt by some jerk guy. They know sex is great and they want her to enjoy it fully. They just want to make sure she is responsible enough first. That is why they might seem intimidating.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 15th, 2009
I have a lot of catching up to do.
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First to xhepera's last comments. I have not said a word in this thread about the Catholic Church, nor have I ever called it a "whore" if the topic was about how Biblical the church was then I would not hesitate to produce scripture showing that it is not Biblical, but we are not talking about that. I would not be doing that in hate either it would be to help a person see what God wrote in His Bible, and help them get to know God not a religion.
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I was called an "evangelical extremists of the worst sort" In what way have I demonstrated that? I have been called things and accused of things that would have caused a fist fight if they were said face to face, but I have not replied back with anger, or other insults. I have calmly kept on toplic and tried to talk to Mattt. It is amazing to me how George can spew the worst most vile garbage out of his mouth and not one person calls him on it. Hasntbeen falsly accuses, and insults and he is concidered the most logical and caring person in the discussion. While JIG and I are continuously berated and worse, and our conduct has been more than civil. Are we in 3rd grade and this is opposite day or something?
by Randoley on August 15th, 2009
George: It's not her family intimidating me that stops me, it's the way I was brought up. My father has been telling me since i was like 13 that women are the only truly valuable thing in the world, and that no man in our family has ever dishonored or hurt a woman. I just feel like taking her virginity would be wrong, at least right now. If we're still together in another year or maybe two (which i'm pretty sure we will be) then I think doing that would be okay.
And also note that she is not a girl that is going to act like she wants sex or even talk about having sex.
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
Now to George, you told Matt that he didn't want to end up like Randoley. You know absolutely nothing about me exccept what your prejudices and hatred has conjured up in your mind. Sure I have never had sex, but I have never had to get tested for STD's, never had to worry about an unwanted child, never had to put up with a clingy chick after a one night stand, never had to struggle with insecurities about whether I was good as her last, etc.I count that as a blessing. So what, I have missed out on some orgasms, oh no, My life is in a complete shambles because I do not allow pleasure or animal instincts to rule my decision making. I guess it makes me evil to want another person to feel freedom from the consequences of sin like I do.Does It make me gay because I am more concerned with pleasing God than pleasing lustful desires? Denying yourself for the Lord is an honorable thing in the Eyes of God, why would I not want to share that with other people?
by Randoley on August 15th, 2009
Matttt Jesus wasn't talking about calling your dad,Father.he was saying not to call your priest father.Which catholics do,that is disobeying God.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
That is right Jesus said to deny YOURSELF and follow me.Good point.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
Alright people I am feeling ALOT BETTER now!
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So Natalie and I (that's my girlfriend's name BTW) took a really long walk all around town and I told her about all the stuff that's been on my mind. And just to fill in a few blanks, I've basically been in a state of despair all summer, and what you guys are hearing about is only one part. So anyway, I think all my sexual problems are, in large part, alleviated. I told her how i was masturbating to other girls on the computer and feeling really guilty over this. I could tell this hurt her feelings, and she told me that i should think about her and only her. And if i need to look at something to look at her pictures. She even said she was going to send me a few pictures of her in her swimsuit that I could use. She also said that she masturbates too (which made me feel a lot better.) So, I guess I'm accepting that I can't be perfect, I am after all human and it feels really good to be human. :)
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
(Cont'd)
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I also told her my insecurities about being a virgin, and she made it very clear that she was not ready for sex (which is basically what i expected to hear.) And this is A-OK because i now understand that sexual attraction is not why i love her.
About the other problems in my life that are too convoluted and boring to share, I decided that I'm seeing a therapist.
Also, this spring we're going together on a study abroad program, which I hope should heal all remaining wounds yada yada yada. It's amazing what a 2 hour walk can do! My heart is finally light again for the first time in months and you all get to see it happen on AB!
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Considering this thread is already incredibly lengthy and off-topic, just thought I'd give some closure to the guys following this and thanks for trying to help me! :)
by Matttt on August 15th, 2009
She is going to give you some picture's of her in a swim suite?Yes cause that isn't practising lust huh?She gave you peace in your heart?The bible says Jesus has to do that.We are sinful and it feels good to be a sinner?Paul said O wretched man that i am,who will deliver me from this body of death?Did he sound like he felt good to be human.What feels good is doing Christ work and that alone.Everything else as Solomon said is vanity,and Paul said I count it as loss.
by Jesus is God on August 15th, 2009
I can't honestly say that any of that sounds good and holy or healthy for you spiritualy towards God and Jesus.
George, Hasntbeen, and xhepera you may attack now.
by Randoley on August 16th, 2009
Yes notice who xhepera is categorized with.Notice who is doing the name calling.
by Jesus is God on August 16th, 2009
So JiG, I guess that you're saying that life should only involve pleasure or happiness when you're thinking about Jesus and it's wrong to feel good? I feel really bad for you sir.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
No,but lustful pleasure are for a man and his wife.The bible is clear on that.paul said if you can't control the lust,take a wife.Any lust outside of marriage is sin and the bible is clear on this.
by Jesus is God on August 16th, 2009
When did i say it is wrong to feel good?Quit putting words in my mouth.If sin makes you feel good,then you have a problem.What did paul say about his sin?O wretched man that I am,who will deliver me from this body of death.You seem to have no problem with your lustful desires.You may not have a problem with them,but God does.And on judgementday,that is all that will matter.
by Jesus is God on August 16th, 2009
I don't consider it lustful if it's just my girlfriend, I seriously think she's the girl i'm gonna marry in a few years.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
Most of the people saying that stuff like who you quoted above are people that enjoyed their sexuality when they were young, and when they got older condemned it.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
Jesus said "I come to give life and life more abundantly" what ever advise you get and decide to take, what ever your body, or justifications tell you is good is nothing compared to the happiness, pleasure, and life Jesus can give you. The advise you are getting from other people people will only give you momentary happiness, that will pass very quickly. A life with Jesus will give you ultimate happiness, that will last for ever. It is your choice though. You can listen to your hormones and choose a tiny bit of satisfaction or you can listen to Jesus who will give you eternal peace. Honestly do the other people advising you sound like people who are happy?
by Randoley on August 16th, 2009
Matttt, just to make something clear, I don't condone all sexual activity, but I do condone responsible sexual pleasure. As long as you are not hurting anyone with your sexual choices, then its okay to indulge. Don't worry about offending God and being punished for not living up to ridiculous scripture. These people don't know the God they claim to represent. You can do anything you want in life as long as you are not harming another. Who cares what these people say about God. They speak of scriptures, not life experience. Remember these same people try to justify kidnapping, murder and rape in the bible, so what could they possibly know about true ethics.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 16th, 2009
Spiritual advise from a Satanist. Need I say more?
by Randoley on August 16th, 2009
George: don't worry i'm not about to become sexually promiscuous, read the two big posts above for more info on my choices.
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Randoley: i'm not taking anyone's advice but my own and my girl's. We are not going to have sex for a while because she's not ready, but she masturbates too and encourages me to do it as long as she's the only thing on my mind. loving her and "lusting" after her just feels too good to give up. Jesus wouldn't want me to deny myself that, after all I really believe we're gonna get married in a few years.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
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by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
Its better to be an ethical Satanist than a Christian who supports rape, kidnapping, and the murder of the innocent. "The lord hate hands that kill innocent blood", yet you condone it and so does your false God. You are fit for the Christian hell and your God is a hypocrite.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 16th, 2009
Please do not starting fighting about Satanism.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
Is that your opinion on what you think Jesus would want for you, or is it based on what you know Jesus said he wanted for you? If denying yourself "feeling good" is against Jesus, then go ahead and make Jesus really proud and start shooting up heroin. It's supposed to feel great. Jesus doesn't like us to do things half way, make feeling good your top priority. If it feels good to cheat someone out of a bunch of money, go ahead. If it feels good to stab someone in the chest, go ahead. After all Jesus wouldn't want you to deny yourself of anything that feels good.
by Randoley on August 16th, 2009
I'm not fighting, I just thought you needed to know where George's mindset comes from since he hasn't volunteered that info yet. It doesn't take much for George to start spewing his anti-God vomit.
by Randoley on August 16th, 2009
Randoley: you are so wrong in saying that stuff and you know it. When I say it feels good I mean it feels good in the most life-affirming way possible, you can't compare that to those things. It's more than sensory pleasure, it's the ultimate happiness.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
See what I mean Matttt? These people have no real understanding of ethics and no common sense. They think that having responsible sex before marriage is like robbing someone or shooting up hard drugs. They obviously don't know God. Enjoying pleasure is good for you, so long as you are not breaking the law or harming someone. Its important to put ethics before your personal pleasure, but abstaining from pleasure all together is just so anti-life. No savior of mankind would ever encourage anyone to abstain from responsible pleasure. And Randoley, you claim to have the words of Jesus, but you cannot prove that he is alive, or that he even existed. So how can you be sure you have his words? Oh yeah, faith, but how do you know Jesus really said to have faith in everything you see in the bible? You don't, you just make assumptions and you are driven by fear. Those who live in fear cannot see clear enough to use any common sense.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 16th, 2009
Trust me George, i'm not living in fear. I just honor my girl's purity.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
I understand where you are at. Believe me I understand, and I respect you for putting your girl's best interests ahead of your pleasure. That is ethics man. If you want a good sexual experience, just wait until she is comfortable. She will let you know. There is no rush. In the mean time, keep whacking it. Lol. Better to whack it than to cheat or rush things. You also don't want to wake up at night with sticky underwear because your balls haven't had a chance to relieve themselves. I hope you have the peace of mind now that you were looking for.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 16th, 2009
Thanks George, I'm just waiting for her to send those swimsuit pictures. :)
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
Mattt you have chosen to listen to a person who calls Jesus a male prostitute and drug addict. You claim to be a Christian but do not say a word against the things that George has said against the person who should be your Lord. George has threatened to sodomize Jesus and kill Him. Matt be sure to tell your priest at your next confession how you denied Jesus by not defending Him when He was attacked.
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Matthew 10:32-33 whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. but whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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by Randoley on August 16th, 2009
unsubscribing now, the truth has been told, but it has been rejected.
by Randoley on August 16th, 2009
First of all I'm not listening to anyone but myself and my girlfriend. Second, George has the right to his own virtues, and I have no duty to attack whatever he believes (I have a feeling he said that stuff to get on your nerves). And I'm not even aware of exactly what statements you're talking about.
by Matttt on August 16th, 2009
Exactly,your not listening to scripture.So be it,your not married to your girlfriend,so as Jesus said whoever looks upon a woman with lust has comitted adultery in his heart.Your girlfriend is not your wife,so you are willfuly comitting adultery by looking at her in a swim suite.That is lusting after the flesh,and is sin according to the bible.You say your not listening to anyone but yourself,remember Genesis 6:5 says mans heart is continually evil,who can know it?Go ahead and listen to your heart rather than Gods word.That is all i am going to say about this,we have told you what scripture says,you choose to reject it,so be it.
by Jesus is God on August 16th, 2009
See how these people are like poisonous snakes. You find peace in your mind to enjoy the pleasures of life, and then they come around trying to mess it up for you. Ignore their sacrilegious advice. JIG you are a disgrace to humanity. God gave you a brain capable of having common sense but you have rejected it in exchange for a book of man.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 16th, 2009
JiG: maybe if you were a man of courage you would be able to listen to your heart too, instead of making your every decision to avoid punishment. what is it exactly you're so afraid of anyway?
by Matttt on August 17th, 2009
http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/7469678
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
Man of courage?I live my life for Christ.Not out of fear,but caue I love him,cause he first loved me.Like I said Genesis 6:5 says mans heart is continually evil,so why would I listen to that.I live by Gods word,not my own.You sir need to be saved.
by Jesus is God on August 17th, 2009
If you are an example of what it is to be saved, then I'd rather be lost.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
I have to come back. Mattt, Christians don't make their decisions to avoid punishment. I understand that is coming from the Catholic teachings you have gotten, but that is not what God is about. JIG and I do not follow Jesus because we think we have a list of things we have to do or because we have goals we must reach. We aren't afraid of punishment for not doing something right.
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We make our decisions because we love the one who died for us. We mess that up a lot, but we know we want be punished for it. We know that because we have accepted Jesus as our savior and have been transformed into forgiven beings. God is pleased with us for doing that. He isn't pleased with us because we attend church, read our Bibles, or because we go to confession, or because we were baptized a a baby. We do what we do because we are grateful. We are great full because we know that our salvation is secure and we do not have to worry about what will happen after death. God has told us in His Bible what will happen, and it is happiness about that that makes us do what we do.
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Your response to JIG and in your other posts shows me that you need Jesus as your savior. You need to find out that Jesus is more than a statue on the wall. He can be as close and real as the breath coming from your mouth.
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
Romans 13:14
14 Let the Lord Jesus Christ be as near to you as the clothes you wear. Then you won't try to satisfy your selfish desires.
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
Randoley you have dedicated your life to a fairy tale. You say you know Jesus and God but you don't. That is a fact. The one thing that makes Christians worse than other religious people is that they not only believe in bullshit, but they feel like they need to bring everyone else down with them. You don't know up from down, you have no common sense and you assume that a book written by men is from our Creator. There is a reason they tell you to have faith, to not test God and that's because the God of the bible is not real. You live a life of sacrilege. It sucks to be you.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
Great answer Randoley.The Bible answer's all his questions,yet he rejects them.
by Jesus is God on August 17th, 2009
Getting answers from the bible is like getting answers off of any random person on the street. Why? Because you don't know the people on the street and you don't know the authors of the bible. You people make assumptions like a crack head smokes crack. Where is your common sense? Rejected! You would rather support rape, murder of the innocent and kidnapping than to question "authority" and dare to use your God given brain. Foolish people. You are a disgrace to humanity.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
"Then you won't try to satisfy your selfish desires"
I honestly don't know what I could do better. I'm not pressuring my girlfriend to have sex in any way- quite the contrary. I'm masturbating to her and only her and with her permission. Am I supposed to never be aroused by her again? (because trust me I just got back from her house and that is not gonna happen EVER no matter how hard i try) And please point me to one man that has not looked at and been turned on by a woman in a bikini before.
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Also, Jesus is not going to solve every problem. From my life experiences I've learned that Jesus is not the answer to everything. I know he is good, oh so good, but quite frankly there's things in the world that we have to take the initiative on ourselves, and you can't just say bringing Christ to my heart will solve everything.
by Matttt on August 17th, 2009
How do you know, if you have never done it? Are you will to go so far as to say you know more about life at 19 then God who created life and is eternal? Are you willing to say God lied in His book, just so you can justify getting your jollies for a few minutes each night? When we start deciding that we know more than God, we put ourselves on very shaky ground.
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
I tell you all from 5 years of dedicated experience that the Christian God doesn't do anything. His agents help us not, yet they accuse us of everything wrong.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
not my experience at all.
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
So are you saying that Jesus only loves some people? I guarantee you that I did more for Christ when I was a Christian than you have ever done in a 5 year period. He never did anything for me, and from what I know about you, it seems he has never done anything for you either, but I am sure you tell yourself otherwise.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
Randoley: you're not just saying i can't "get my jollies 5 minutes a night", you're saying it's a sin for me to be sexually aroused by my girlfriend.
by Matttt on August 17th, 2009
yes, I am saying that Mattt.
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George, You seem to know everything there is to know about me. I would like you to list what you think you know, not what you imagine, or what your prejudices make you think. I am curious what you think you know about me.
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1. How long have I been saved, and how old was I?
2. How many ministries do I volunteer for each week?
3. How often in a month do i attend church and what denomination is it?
4. What is my favorite TV show?
5. What is my best friends name?
6. What sort of things do I like to collect?
7. Where am I going on vacation in 2 weeks?
8. What is my real name?
9. Do I have any pets?
10. What is the biggest miracle God has done for me?
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You act as if you know everything about me, well these are questions all my friends can answer, can you?
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
See Matttt, Randoley is telling you that it is not okay to be a healthy human being. Can you imagine why he is a 40 year old virgin? Maybe this seems natural to him because he is a closet homosexual. Sounds like you have a winner of a girl friend Matttt. I wish you two the best. ;-)
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
I never said that we never sin. I said God only expects us to try not to sin. It seems to me that Mattt is trading one sin to avoid doing another.
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George do you need more time to answer my questions or are you willing to stop making blanket judgments based on zero evidence and knowledge about me?
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
Thank you George, she is a winner!
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Randoley: seriously have you ever been physically attracted to a woman? don't you realize that's impossible for me not to be aroused by her? all i know is that i love the warm feeling i get from her because it makes everything seem alright at the end of the day, and i truly pity anyone that would give that up. There's so much evil in the world, how could anyone begrudge me innocently loving a woman that loves me in return?
by Matttt on August 17th, 2009
"It seems to me that Mattt is trading one sin to avoid doing another."
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No there's no trading, i'm saying there's no way i could avoid the "sin" of being aroused by her.
by Matttt on August 17th, 2009
Here is what I know about you Randoley. You are a fundamentalist Christian (the dumbest kind of Christian), you reject common sense in favor of a book, you support murder, kidnapping and rape, you are a 40 year old virgin (well at least you have never been with a woman), you are a Star Trek fan, you like to play with sock puppets, you are a homosexual, and you are delusional, believing that you have a relationship with a being you have never met, one you cant even prove to exist. Besides all of that, your religious garbage aside, you seem like a reasonable person who has similar views as myself regarding random things I have seen from some of your comments that are not related to our usual arguments on AB. I really am not interested in your personal life. You can save the details for someone who cares (maybe a girl?).
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
Being aroused by someone you love isn't a sin, its natures way of making sure the human race continues. Something that feels so good and right like that is a beautiful gift of life. Its not like you are an irresponsible person. Everyone has a sex drive. Its something to be celebrated responsibly.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 17th, 2009
quote, "No there's no trading, I'm saying there's no way i could avoid the "sin" of being aroused by her." you are right about that. There is no way you can avoid the sin. That is why I said earlier that God always provides a way out of every temptation. The longer you try to avoid a sin (you won't always do it though) the easier it is to resist, and eventually it doesn't become a problem at all. I have stayed a virgin this long by learning hoe to control those types of desires, with help from God.
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George, nice try. I said to list what you know about me without letting your prejudices get in the way. You must not be able to do that. You are way off the mark except for the puppets, ( I see you found this too, and left your mark http://www.youtube.com/user/randoley) and Star Trek, beyond that you know nothing about me.
by Randoley on August 17th, 2009
You are gay dude, just accept it.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 18th, 2009
based on what exactly?
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
The fact that you are a 40 year old virgin and you use the excuse that you are fighting sin. JIG has admitted to me that you two have had homosexual relations. If you want proof, read through all of the comments. If you really look for it, you will find it.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 18th, 2009
Great logic. If I had relations with JIG, then that would no longer make me a virgin.
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
Some people believe that you can give blow jobs and still be a virgin.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 18th, 2009
what tempest in a teapot, what SFB posts JiG and randoley.
why do Paulist call them selves Christian.
11 years of catholic schools made a devote agnostic out of me.
IF God Is God, and, God is Good, then and ONLY Then, is God Great. None of the above is proven except the SFB part about this thread.
it took me over an hour to wade thru the steaming piles for miles of the anal retentive self aggrandizement offered here for "christian" advice. If ever there was a Pharisee at the temple extolling his own greatness, in his God's eyes, to the belittlement of the tax collector, this has been a tour de force episode of it. Oh how much Matt's fingers would have been saved if he had stated with the 2 hour walk first.
JiG won't need to take a dump for 2 weeks after tonight, If He WAS a NORMAL guy. earler today I was entertained by JiG going hammer and tong with a clown of equal SFB called Jesus-is-muslim. JiG have you had your distemper and rabies shots and boosters , 'cause that all that foam
by MadMike on August 18th, 2009
Mattt, I'm curious. If you had already made up your mind what you were going to do, and you were going to reject any and every Christian answer except the one that told you what you wanted to hear, then why did you ask about sin in a Christian section?
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
MadMike, I haven't laughed this hard all day! Thanks for your comment. :-)
by Don Gorgeous George on August 18th, 2009
Randoley: the question was probing whether or not this was considered a sin, and the guilt i was feeling is what prompted me to ask it; once i talked things over with my girlfriend and she told me that she also masturbates i stopped feeling guilty. I also do not believe that what you are telling me is the sole Christian viewpoint. You and JiG have rather extreme views, anyone could see that.
by Matttt on August 18th, 2009
I come on asking if it's a sin to masturbate to porn, and now you're telling me I shouldn't even masturbate to my girlfriend, or even be aroused by her! That's seriously deranged and there's no way that is the Christian stance.
by Matttt on August 18th, 2009
Coming from someone who claims to be a Christian but does not put Jesus first in your life, how would you know what a Christian stance is? You are only Christian because you go to church. That is not what a Christian is.
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
1 John is.
by Jesus is God on August 18th, 2009
At a Boy Matt ... Think for your self!!! remember let they who are with out sin throw the first stone ... judge not lest ye be judged ... love one another as I have loved you ... love god with your whole heart and your whole soul AND love your neighbor as yourself... that last one is important for JiG and Rand-o 'cause I don't think that they have learned to love their neighbors half so well as they love their selfrighteous selves.
Please,from me, take this: God is LOVE; and he who abides in love, abides in GOD; and GOD in him .
by MadMike on August 18th, 2009
How can you say all that stuff then "judge" JIG and myself like that? We never claimed that we don't sin, and we never told Mattt that. We haven't condemned anyone, and have taken excessive abuse for what we have said. How can you quote scripture and not call out George or HasntBeen for the horrible stuff they have said? If you loved God with your whole heart like you quoted, you would not stand for that. Would you allow any person to say that sort of thing about your wife?
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Mattt asked a question about sin in a Christian forum, what kind of answers did you expect? I totally don't understand this attitude toward us. Do you think it is hate that made us answer his question? If we didn't love Mattt, George, HasntBeen, and xhepera we would keep our mouths shut and only say what is PC. Do you think we would put up with having our families insulted, our sexual orientation questioned, our our integrity mocked because we care more about ourselves? If that was the case we wouldn't put up with that stuff. One person in this thread even followed me to another site to tell me that God hates me. I don't understand the hatred toward me and JIG.
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
You do these things Randoley because you are selfish. All you care about is yourselves and what will happen to you if you don't tell us. You are driven by fear and selfishness. All I have to say about what you stand for is 1 Samuel 15:2-3.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 18th, 2009
that makes no sense at all.
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
Randoley: I hope you haven't felt any of my comments to be disparaging. I've appreciated most of the stuff you've said, I just can't accept that Jesus would be offended by me getting aroused by my girlfriend when it's not something I have control over. I really believe Jesus sees me doing my best and is proud of me.
by Matttt on August 18th, 2009
Jesus said they hate you,cause they first hated me.Insults don't bother me,cause my Lord suffered way worse.God has the final say.We have shown him the scripture that clearly shows what he is doing as lustful and sinful.If he wants to continue to PRACTISE it,thats on him,he has been warned.That is all we can do.You notice the difference in sinning and practising sin.I love how they twist that verse.Judge not lest ye be judged.As Paul washer always says,twist not scripture lest ye be of the devil.Cause that is not what that verse is saying.
by Jesus is God on August 18th, 2009
If that is what that verse is saying,why a couple verses down did Jesus say you'll know them by their fruit?If they don't look like a christian,then their probably not.If you justify your sin,then you have a problem.I don't justify my sin,I turn from it.I ask forgiveness and repent.I don't keep doing it over and over.I am not defined by a certain sin.I struggle and don't do it more than I give in.I was drunk a year ago,and now I haven't touched it since the day Christ saved me.I am greatful I had a Godly dad who raised me in the word of God,and all I learned from Gods word,didn't return void.
by Jesus is God on August 18th, 2009
Also george you like to throw 1 Samuel 15:2,3 around alot.Lets look at war.America drops bombs on people they can't see.Women and children die.Look at Japan when we dropped the atomic bomb on them.How many children died?Gods judgement is severe,which you will find out oneday,unless God saves you,which i pray He does.Verse 2 I(God)will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel,how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt.Amalek's evil brough Gods judgement on those people.Don't blame God for a man's evil.God judges nations for mans sins.He is the creator,you are the thing formed,as Paul said who are you to reply against God.Man is sinners and a Holy God would be just to send us to hell.
by Jesus is God on August 18th, 2009
Let me ask you this george.If you go out and murder or rape or steal something,and the judge just said O well He did some good,so I'll let him go.Would that judge be just.Did he do that family who lost that person,or that person who was raped justice?So why should God allow you to go,when you broke His law?Unlike the judges of the earth,God made a way out for man,through Jesus.You reject,so you have no one to blame but yourself.
by Jesus is God on August 18th, 2009
Don't ever say a Holy God doesn't have the right to demand we be Holy.Atleast he made away to escape his wrath.You are the one who rebels,your the one who hates God.Your the one who is guilty.
by Jesus is God on August 18th, 2009
No, Matt your comments have not been like the others. It just makes me a little sad that you won't put Jesus first. I wish you would.
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
Jesus you are a complete fool. You say that a judge wouldn't be just if he let murderers go, but your God is a murderer and one who encouraged kidnapping! When you are ruled by a tyrant who condones rape, murder and kidnapping, its time to overthrow him and take control. You would rather be a slave of unrighteousness than a freedom fighter. You are no better than a murderer or a rapist because you support that kind of thing. So are you claiming that God told people to drop atomic bombs too? Your God is a piece of shit. Why is he incapable of solving problems in a peaceful manner? You people make me angry because you are so stupid and blind. When I present obvious proof that your God is a piece of shit, you tell me I am blind. That's your loss and I feel bad for you because you don't know how ridiculous you are to those who can see, but what I have a real problem with is how you try to bring down other people with you. You are the ones who are blind, and deaf. For now on I will call you both Helen Keller Christ.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 18th, 2009
I thought I would go back and make a list of the insults from both sides. Since JIG and myself have been deemed the worst of the worst, I thought I would let the truth speak for it's self.
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From HastntBeem, George, xhepera, and MadMike
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You're still a liar
I'm pretty sure he's (God) ashamed of you
are you a complete and utterly unredeemable idiot
You're a fool
JiG is so funny when he goes on a rant. I picture him all bug-eyed, flecks of foamy spittle dotting his lips, neck all corded, face bright red, little veins popping out on the forehead. Quite the demonic visage.
idiot bake
Randoley you are a real pussy. I bet your wife walks all over you. Scumbag you are, do you molest your children too? Has God asked you to kill any of them?
Are you guys still sucking each other's dicks?
Beware of these wolves in sheep clothing
It seems that Randoley is gay. That's why he has never been laid. I am not surprised to find that you two have homosexual relations.There is a difference between being in control of heterosexual desires and not desiring them at all because you are a homosexual.
But homosexuals aren't allowed in heaven so I guess Randoley is out. JIG, we are now aware that you are bisexual. I don't know how your false God feels about that, but knowing the hate you preach, I'm sure you wont be going to heaven either. Satan owns your soul.
both evangelical extremists of the worst sort
You are fit for the Christian hell and your God is a hypocrite
these people are like poisonous snakes
JIG you are a disgrace to humanity
JiG: maybe if you were a man of courage
If you are an example of what it is to be saved, then I'd rather be lost.
It sucks to be you.
Foolish people. You are a disgrace to humanity
Maybe this seems natural to him because he is a closet homosexual
You are gay dude, just accept it.
JiG won't need to take a dump for 2 weeks after tonight, If He WAS a NORMAL guy. earler today I was entertained by JiG going hammer and tong with a clown of equal SFB called Jesus-is-muslim. JiG have you had your distemper and rabies shots and boosters , 'cause that all that foam
I don't think that they have learned to love their neighbors half so well as they love their selfrighteous selves.
you are a complete fool.
You are no better than a murderer or a rapist
You people make me angry because you are so stupid and blind.
For now on I will call you both Helen Keller Christ.
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Insults from JIG and myself
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This answer sounds like something satan would tell someone.Seriously I'm not joking
Your nothing but a liar
demon george
by Randoley on August 18th, 2009
I stand by me 2 extraction in that list.
I tried to post a reply about 6 hours ago and AB blanked for about an hour and it sadly got lost . I had been looking into the "Calvinist" question you and JiG got into.
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I am NOT Elect. If God is that way He ain't a Good God.
for the way I think see my long post below
I am from the last year of the Full Latin altarboys and I'm hard on Catholics;
they ARE Not One,
many times and for many years It Was NOT HOLY,
I question ANY Apostolic line the descends from Paul( I don't trust Paul)
AND If Catholic is to be meant to be universal the Church just Ain't!
but Jig really does foam at the mouth about it.
to me it looks like you care.
I notice that you didn't repost my dig at JiG about the Pharisee and the tax collector ... could that mean that you do indeed find it resembles truth?
I believe in FREEWILL and making Choices. flip a Coin.
peace be upon you and with you.
for JiG Him, I hope he chokes on a fish bone ! ! !
by MadMike on August 18th, 2009
I just missed that one.
by Randoley on August 19th, 2009
Geprge I'll ask you the same question I asked hasntbeen,which never got ansered.Can you show me one verse that God condones rape?I want one verse that God says rape is ok.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
Then why is elect in the bible so many times if we are not elect?I know Jesus went around saying I hope you choke on a fish bone.Very Christ like of you.For you to hope someone dies,then you have hate in your heart and according to Jesus,you are guilty of murder.Also to call Paul a fraud is calling Gods word a fraud.The bible is clear not to take away from scripture,which you have done.It says you will recieve the greater damnation by doing that.Paul said if anyone comes to you with anyother gospel than we have preached to you,let them be accursed.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
If you read what Peter said of Paul,you'll see Peter loved him and embrassed his teachings.So you are the one who is the fraud.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
In the old testament when God told the Jews to kill whole tribes of villages, but to keep the virgin women for themselves. A number of things happened to the virgin women, either the women were raped after refusing to marry the Jews who killed their families, they were killed by the Jews for refusing marriage, or they agreed to marry because they didn't want to be killed. Those are the only three things that happened. It takes just a little bit of common sense to understand that none of these women wanted to be with the men who slaughtered their parents. God would have known that, so basically God condoned kidnapping and rape. Otherwise he wouldn't have told the Jews to keep the virgin women for themselves. JIG are you saying that hating someone and murdering them is equally as bad? If so, then why are we not out murdering the people who make us angry? Why bother controlling our hate? Why not just let loose and have total anarchy? Does your God not hate some things? Then he is guilty of murder to. Not only that, he hates things that he does, so he is guilty of murdering himself.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
See your problem is you put God on our level.No God doesn't hate like we do,He has righteous hate.No God didn't condone the rape of those women.If they were it was the evil man who did so.If they did they are held guilty of rape in Gods eyes,and will stand before God for rape.You also compare their culture with ours.You can't do that.God has a law in which man breaks constanly,so by that man is guilty of breaking the law,and is justly cast into the lake of fire.Don't blame God for mans evil.Anything that happens top man we bring on ourselves.You don't want Gods judgement,don't sin.God doesn't answer to you,He is God and you are the thing formed.Who are you to tell God what to do with His creation?God is Holy God and will not condon sin.It doesn't matter if you like it or not.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
Also what about the families who attacked the Jews?Do you ignore their evil.They invaded first.If a country invades america killing us,don't you think we would counter that?
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
This answers your question.I doubt your read it,cause you like twisting scripture.But if you want the truth about 1 Samuel then look at the link.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
The Jews took revenge against those people 100 years later. How is that just? The same Gentiles were not even alive anymore. I am greater than your God. I know this is fact first because your God is not real, and second because I do not condone rape, murder of the innocent, or kidnapping. I am a better candidate for worship than your false Jewish Yahweh. Jesus is a fraud. Your false God has been judged for his crimes against humanity and has an end, just as those who support him are damning themselves by supporting injustice.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
See God knows the future.Saul was commanded to destroy the Amalekites,he lyed about doing it.2 Decades later the Amalekites took David and his men's families captive.If Saul would have obeyed God,this wouldn't have happened.They were evil and God knew this.That is why God wanted them destroyed.You say the children were innocent,yeah that's why they came back two decades later and tried to kill David's family.They were Gods enemies,they hated Gods chosen People.So yes they were evil.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
See that is the beginning of your folly. You just "have faith" no matter what. That is your downfall. Those Jews were clever to come up with the concept of faith. It worked on people like you. In the mean time while you are supporting the murder of the innocent, you reject your true Creator and blame all of the world's problems on him. You are right that we are responsible for our actions and believing in false Gods is your own choice. If the world knew the truth, we would all be better off.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
How do you know when someone is defeated?Cause they just start flinging insults.As usual you ignore any link that exposes you.If God isn't real,then why do you make such an effort to hate him.I don't hate something I know is false.Islam,I don't hate that,cause I know it is false.See you don't truly believe it is false,cause you hate it to much.Also it was humanity who murdered their own creator(Jesus).Now who is evil.George you have nothing,and you will soon find out Gods wrath.You are full of hate.All you do is mock people,and insut those who are not what you are.And that is HATE.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
Perhaps they came back to seek vengeance against the evil Jews who destroyed most of their family, you stupid fool. The Jews are to blame for the death of their own people. Your God sounds a lot like the leader of the Bloods gang, ordering the drive by shooting of all the other rival gang members. Of course the surviving gang members are going to seek revenge. I thought you said your false God was a God of love. Then why was he acting like the worst kind of criminal.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
Hitler and Stalin were atheist.So how would we be better.Hitler was quoted is there is no God but Germany.What is that saying?Stalin said they have lied to us,there is no God.What is that saying?
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
JiG the whole concept of the "elect" and predestination goes against free will and equal access to the goodness of God. Calvin must be among the un-elect 'cause of HOW WRONG his dumb a$$ was.
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
Uh they are the ones who started the war.Come on george,if your going to argue atleats know the facts.Fool by fefinition= someone who says in their own heart there is no GOD.That would be you georgie.Why you getting mad george.I'm not getting mad,cause I know the truth.Praise Jesus Holy name.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
You are right, how can I hate something that doesn't exist? But I hate you. I hope to hear about your slow and painful death. Jesus is a creation of the Jews, to continue their lies and their plans to rule the world. He is fictional, just as the false Jewish God is fictional. You will soon find out who your true Creator is and it will not be a pleasant experience. I invite the wrath of Satan upon you. The only way out will be to surrender or die.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
Hitler thought of himself as a god fairing man with a destiny. How VERY Calvinist of him.
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
Maybe you should go to school for a change. Learn what fool really means, not what some dumb Jesus junkie says it means.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
Show me in scripture where we have free will to chose God or sin?Like I said why is the term elect in scripture so much.Why does Ephesians 1:4,5 say Just as He has chosen us in Him.BEFORE the foundation of the owrld.5 Having predestinated us unto adoption.Get that PREDESTINATED US.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
They likely share the same circle of Dante's Hell
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
IF God IS Good .... that is not a Good God
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
Yes george that is why the jews reject Jesus.Dude you make no sense.If you don't believe in the biblical God,then why satan?Satan came from the bible.See your ignorance george.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
also I DON'T Do Paul ... you .... You ... non Christian Paul-ist
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
BTW did you look at my post on the Quantum nature of how free will serves God?
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
Schroedinger's cat alive and dead puts to rest predestination all by its self peabrain
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
let the seed grow
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
I go by what the word of God says.not your opinion mike.Like I said show me in scripture.Not your opinion.So you reject the bible?So I have no use for your teachings,only the word of God.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
You reject a great majority of the new testament and you call me a non christian?Thats a good one Cherry picker.Headed to church now,to praise my Lord.I'll pray for you both that you eyes are opened to the truth of Gods word.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
but that is the point of the Quantum God it rejects no holy book and explains why ALL have some truth in them and that all come from him to those that receive it and screw it up as only humans can do.
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
The wrath of Satan is now upon you JIG. The Jews created the old testament God to serve them in their quest to rule the world. Jesus was created as a cloak, so that their plans wouldn't be obvious. They make Jesus out to be one who is against the evil Jews, when in reality they created Jesus! Its also a clever plan to trick the Gentiles from knowing their true Creator. Lucifer is the Creator of the Gentile people. The Jews are thieves, trying to take what isn't theirs. That is the whole reason both the new and old testaments exist, and that is why Lucifer has been blasphemed multiple times in the bible, being given the nickname Satan. Satan means enemy in hebrew and that is exactly what our Creator is to the Jews who wish to control the world. The Jews are occultist who know the truth. They don't want Lucifer's creation to learn the arts of the occult and stand in their way. Its all a clever trick.http://www.exposingchristianity.com/
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
right the great majority of the New Testament is PAUL you Paulist --you . All Paul's letters, the Acts is Paul(may be Peter through Paul and Luke) and the gospel of Luke are ALL PAUL so the name should be Paul-ISM 'cause Christ is only a minor player or maybe a
Paulo-Calvinist would be more correct, just 'cause you wish to hide behind Christ don't mean i can't see the REAL foundation of sand uopn which you build your faith (place favored explicative here)
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
Predestination vs choice is the only topic JIG and I have disagreed on. The discussion went for hours, but we never wished death on each other, or resulted to insults. It is possible to disagree with out wishing harm on each other.
by Randoley on August 19th, 2009
Jeezs George, that is one sweeping statement.
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
Rando did you look at my post below?
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
well the Red Grimore is built around the 72 seals of Soloman. so you may have a point after all.
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
would it not be cool to have Solomons ring and Staff and see just what helped him build the first Temple. maybe go help some Later day Saints with their next temple?
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
whta'sa matter boy's struck speechless?
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
No I didn't see your post below, but I have been re-reading Romans, and that book is nothing but "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus". I'm glad to see someone else point out how deceiving George tries to be. He will wish you dead or accuse you of butt raping children next.
by Randoley on August 19th, 2009
Romans is Paul not Christ, just because some one co-opts the name don't mean he would approve !
by MadMike on August 19th, 2009
So we see from the bible that "God" approved of Solomon as a sorcerer. In the new testament it says that sorcerers (those who practice witchcraft) will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Just another example of the hypocrisy of your "God", and another attempt to sway people away from the arts of the occult. I remember reading that hypocrites will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, yet your false God is a hypocrite! When does the bullshit end!? You preach about truth but you are full of confusion.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
Randoley, you completely missed what MadMike was saying.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
Stuck speechless?I went to church,christians do that,cause the true christian love Jesus.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
God approved of of Solomon as a sorcerer?What are you talking about?I see now your making things up.If your going to say something george,atleast know what your talking about and verse.Also if you read what Solomon said about his life,he said it was all vanity.This man had everything and was miserable.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
And who approved of his wealth and sorcery? Your false God. Who gave him the wisdom to be so powerful? Your false God. Your God is just as guilty as the most guilty of all humanity. Wipe your lips off Jesus, I can still see the semen.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009
Your making crap up george.Solomon wasn't a sorcerer.It was Saul who delt with magic and witches,so he wasn't in favor with God.God warned Solomon of His wealth.He disobeyed,and his last words were it is all VANITY.He turned back to God.I'm done with you,you just exposed yourself as a fraud.Good bye fraud.
by Jesus is God on August 19th, 2009
According to the old testament, Solomon worked with Demons. Why don't you read your bible once in a while. You forgot to wipe the semen off your lips Jesus.
by Don Gorgeous George on August 19th, 2009