There body is dead...not there soul. btw Ephesians does not have a 9:5 Ephesians 1 2 3 4 5 6

Ephesians 5:9 says, For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness and Truth. Ephesians 9:5 does not exist. In the bible it says, the dead in Christ shall rise first and they shall be caught up in the air to go with Jesus. To my knowledge, they will be given new bodies. In Revelations it also talks about the last days, and the 7yrs of peace. It also talks about the 2nd coming of Christ. At this time a lot of bad things will be going on in the world. At the end of it all, Satan and his followers as the bible quotes will be thrown into the lake of fire, including the dead. There spirits live forever although they are dead. I don't know if I'm making any sense to you are not, and please don't take offense, this is just what I've read in the bible. You really have to get into the bible for yourself, in order to have a real understanding. I need to study it myself for better understanding to. I marked you up 3 since you got marked down so much by certain people. I don't think you meant any harm in this question.

Off the toip of my head I would say this is a reference to the blindness of those that have not made a choice to believe. They do not think of anything beyond this life. There is a lot of evidence in the bible about hell and the gnashing of teeth. I think you should take a look at the bible and read and pray that God would open your eyes to see the word through his eyes. I ask God to reveal to me what He is saying, not what others think he is saying through his word. Ecclesiastes 9:5 NASB: For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. (NASB ©1995) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GWT: The living know that they will die, but the dead don't know anything. There is no more reward for the dead when the memory of them has faded. (GOD'S WORD®) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KJV: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASV: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BBE: The living are conscious that death will come to them, but the dead are not conscious of anything, and they no longer have a reward, because there is no memory of them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DBY: For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JPS: For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WBS: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WEB: For the living know that they will die, but the dead don't know anything, neither do they have any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YLT: For the living know that they die, and the dead know not anything, and there is no more to them a reward, for their remembrance hath been forgotten.

I believe that Ecclesiaties 9:5 is talking about physical death and that the dead no longer have anything to do with this world or this life. In Luke Ch.16, both Lazerus and the rich man were consious in the places that they went to. They were physically dead and no longer had anything to do with this life and this present world, but their souls were consious. I hope that this is helpful. -In the Master's service. Thank you and God bless you!

hey there is no Ephesians 9:5. but to anser your question i believe it refers to their physical body. their spiritual is very much alive!

Honestly, the Bible is full of contradictions. How many generations from Jesse to Jesus? What happened at the tomb of Jesus on the day of his resurrection? More, and discussion on these points can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_contradictions#The_Gospels http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html Or, to answer your question more briefly, it's impossible. There is a huge gap between the Old Testament afterlife and the New Testament afterlife. And how you decide to interpret that then becomes your own decision. It's interpretive problems like these that have helped lead to all the various Christian sects in existence today -- as well as a number of staunch atheists. Hopefully you'll find an explanation that works for you, one way or the other.

all people died are bound to forget and feel nothing when they died.. that is why all people are still stuck in their grave with their soul except the spirit (which goes back to its Creator) then when tribulation comes, all dead will be risen to be judge according to their heart's contents and deeds.. then good one's will be on the right side and the opposite will be on the left.. thats where the punished people will suffer endlessly in a lake of fire.. in short they are not dead anymore and not freed of their their bad deeds

I grew up an athiest. I picked up a bible once out of sheer boredom and started to read, just for the heck of it. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion that there is a God after all, though I couldn't tell you much more than that at that point. I've read the bible many times since then, relying on God to teach me, and he has taught me so much over the years. I hope to share with you a bit now. What the bible actually says is often very different from what is taught. My best advice is to read your bible and let God teach you so that you know for yourself. If you go through the whole bible and note every verse that talks about death, hell, the grave, etc., you come to the conclusion that a literal, fiery hell where sinful people are tormented forever and ever is not biblical, nor does it make much logical sense. When people die, they are dead, and are aware of nothing. They are dead. At some point all dead people will be raised up. Some of these dead people will take part in the first resurrection and reign with Christ 1000 years. (Revelation 20:4) They will live forever. At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released from the Abyss. (Revelation 20:7. See Revelation 20:1-3 for when Satan was thrown into the Abyss.) There will be a battle and Satan will lose, at which point he will be thrown into the "lake of fire" (Revelation 20:7-10) where he will be tormented day and night, forever and ever, along with the beast and false prophet who were thrown in in Revelation 19:19-20. Notice in verse 19:21 that "the kings of the earth and their armies" are not thrown into the lake of fire, but instead killed. After this, the rest of the dead people (that will probably be your average person like you and me), including the kings of the earth and their armies mentioned above, will be brought to life. (Revelation 20:11-13). It says those dead will be judged according to what they had done in life. The "lake of fire" is mentioned again at this point. From this second group of dead people, those whose names are not found in the book of life are then thrown into the lake of fire. (This is made clear again in Revelation 21:8) Those whose names *are* found in the book of life will live. Please note also that *death* and *Hades* are thrown into the lake of fire as well. (Revelation 20:14) Revelation 20:14 says that the lake of fire is the "second death". That's the end of the road, even for death itself! Death has no place in God's ultimate plans and will cease to exist when it is thrown into the lake of fire. Mankind has died since the days of Adam, and while we are dead we are in the grave, dead as a doornail. The Hebrew word is "sheol" and the Greek word is "hades". Those two words do NOT refer to the lake of fire, but to the common grave. A cemetary would be a good modern example of sheol or hades. This all makes logical sense too. The point of punishing someone is to teach them right from wrong. What would be the point of torturing someone forever and ever? Given what the bible says about God, is he one to get some sort of sick, twisted pleasure out of such a thing? No! Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand." Death came about due to sin, and sin came about thanks to the devil. God has power over it all but he is allowing it and the devil to remain for now. That's a whole 'nother topic for discussion but knowing and understanding what death is will help you understand other scripture, and it will also help you when you face death in this life (death of those you know and your own eventual death). God can raise us up and totally erase any bad memories from our minds, as if it never happened. If you are murdered, you won't remember it. Whatever you have suffered in this life will be erased from your memory, as if it never happened. This also helps to explain how God was able to command the Israelites to kill the men, women, children, infants, and even livestock of Israel's enemies (as in 1 Samuel 15:3), or how God was able to flood over the entire earth, killing everyone and everything except Noah and his wife, his 3 sons and their wives. All of those dead people will be raised up and judged according to God's judgement. Some will live forever, some will be completely and utterly destroyed and simply not exist anymore. You've read about Sodom and Gomorrah, right? (Genesis 18:16 through 19:29) Then note this: 2 Peter 2:6 "...he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly... and Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Sodom and Gomorrah are not still burning. http://www.biblegateway.com/ has free bible versions and a concordance and all sorts of helpful tools. You can do a keyword search on the subject of death, hell, the grave, and everything related to it. Be sure to consider the entire bible as you research this or any topic because the bible does not contradict itself. And remember that "God is love". He does not take pleasure in the death of anyone, not even the wicked (Ezekiel 18, last couple paragraphs for instance).

Ecclesiastes is mainly the hit-and-miss speculations of Solomon and not the Word of God Himself - but the conclusion at the end of the preacher's ramble through the vanity he saw in life is faithful to God - so Ecclesiastes might be better assigned to the non-canonical books. Anyhow, about hell... God eventually saves all from sin and shares His complete happy experience of eternity with everyone... God reconciles all to Himself through Jesus Christ, Who makes peace through His shed blood and crucifixion (Col 1:20). Jesus is the Lamb of God Who takes away all the sins of all the world (Jn 1:29). The creation itself, also, shall be freed from the slavery of corruption into the glorious freedom of the children of God (Rom 8:21). Hell's punishment is not forever but until the end of the eons. People don't sin enough during their mortal lives for God to choose endless punishment besides it would spoil the future of eternity to have a section continually reserved for endless torture... People are made by God to rebel against His ideal will for them and then offered a choice - forgiveness of their rebellion, or, punishment for their sins until they have paid the last penny... After punishment, those who went through torture in hell come to realise they need faith on God to succeed in life and they are converted into God's kingdom so that they cease from sinning and are rewarded for their compliance... There are two bible translations which uphold the doctrine of Universal Reconciliation with God, and the union of all beings into experience of God as the all in each of us. For a free download of these bibles you can try this website: http://www.scripture4all.org/ An outline of the bible references which support Christian Universalism has been posted at this webpage: http://uk.geocities.com/timpauloconnor@btinternet.com/CUBibleRef.html

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The early Jewish faith held that there was no life after death ( If I remember correctly ), that we simply ceased to exist after death.

Daniel 12 1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt ------- Sounds pretty cut and dry from that line of text? At That Time <-- sounds like 1 set time. not when each person dies. In the dust of the earth <--- sounds like the dead and burried Everlasting <-- sounds like it doesnt have an end once it starts. All of the translations sound pretty straight forward. Thing is people will all have different thoughts. Lets all just hope that God inspires, yet also supresses the tricks of the enemy. To think that Satan isnt crafty and smart enough to twist things up is ignorant. Best thing I find is to not read into things. If you do you leave room for confusion. If something isnt literally true .. well maybe it is .. we just dont see it because we dont know (myself included) as much as we should. Main thing isnt who is right or wrong .. but that we are all searching! Because of that we are all right.

eclesiastes 9:5 is very final in regards to what happens at death. couple this scripture with what ezequiel 18:4 says about the soul: "look! all the souls-to me they belong. as the soul of the father so like wise the soul of the son-to me they belong. the soul that is sinning-it itself will die. since we all sin it is safe to assume that at death the soul also dies. so even if it were true that there exists a fiery hell of what good would it be?

Ecclesiastes 9:5??? There is no Ephesians 9-anything. The short answer is: It isn't possible. It's a popular Christian Myth we inherited from the early Roman influences that were anti-semitic, and Pagan to the core. It pays to check doctrine against Bible! Most places won't burn you alive for it, these days. God kills the body and the soul in the final judgement,(Matthew 10:28) if that person is human, not an immortal spirit like devils are, and condemned to the Lake of Fire. That is the second death spoken of in **** Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, and 21:8. Many passages say the "the soul that sinneth shall die", and "wages of sin is death", not eternal life in torment. That would make God infinitely worse than Hitler, if it were true. **** Ezekiel 18:4, 20, 21, 27. Proverbs 19:16, James 5:20, Romans 6:23. He made our souls mortal - the breath of life in us makes us "souls", just like animals. The same word "nephesh" is used of man and beast. All of us are "living souls". **** Ecclesiastes 3:21, Genesis 2:7, 7:15, Job 33:4. Furher proof. If the gift of God is eternal life, through the provision of Jesus, then we must not already have immortality. You do not give someone a gift they already possess. **** Romans 6:23 Eternal punishment, as in conscious punishment, is a pagan concept common to many religions: Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Celtic, Norse... The mystery of the "worm that dieth not" is that it completes its lifecycle and becomes a fly. Unquenched fire is fire that goes out by itself after consuming its fuel. This reference is also about the dead bodies to be left in Ge Hinnom valley after the Lord's return, as a warning to his enemies. And a reminder to us of evil's end. This is found in the prophets as part of the Millennial vision. Gehenna, or the Valley of Hinnom, is currently a burning garbage dump outside Jerusalem, formerly a place of child sacrifice, so a historically shunned, hateful place. Now, the Devil and his angels WILL be tormented "forever and ever", but the lake of fire was prepared for them in the first place. **** Matthew 25:41. They have done evil that boggles the mind: crippling human souls to the point that they reject God and prefer to do evil instead - forcing God to destroy them - is a small sample. The immortals are waaaay older than us, and have much more to answer for. But that is a different story.

The simple answer is that they are not. The bible is quite clear about it. A little accurate knowledge of history also helps. Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:10 All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She´ol, the place to which you are going. She'ol, is the common grave of man. Not a single grave but is the common receptacle or region of the dead. Nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures (aka Old Testament) or the Greek Scriptures (aka New Testament) is there any association of She’ol (also rendered haides or hell) with anything other than death or the place of the dead. Gehenna: Gehenna is a reference to the fiery pit (Gai Ben-Hinnom or Valley of Hinnom) and does not refer to hell but rather to a deep narrow valley just SW of Jerusalem. (Joshua 15:8 &18:16, 2 Kings 23:10, 2 Chronicles 28:3, & 33:6, Nehemiah 11:30, Jeremiah 7:31~32, 19:2, 19:6, 32:35 to name a few). Garbage from the walled city was burned there. Prior to become the "burning pit" the site had been used in human sacrifices by fire to Baal. Gods name in the bible is indicated by the Tetragrammaton יהוה which is unpronounceable because the vowels were superstitiously removed more than 2500 years ago. By best guess Gods name is pronounced Jehovah or Yahweh. Most bibles incorrectly render the Tetragrammaton as God or Lord. At any rate, the 10 commandments, the first five of which deal with how one is to treat God, and the second five which express how humans are to treat each other, leave no room for argument on the expectation of behavior. Additionally God expressly says that he finds the torture of humans repugnant. Jeremiah 7: 30 ‘For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31 And they have built the high places of To´pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’ Jeremiah 32:35 Furthermore, they built the high places of Ba´al that are in the valley of the son of Hin´nom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through [the fire] to Mo´lech, a thing that I did not command them, neither did it come up into my heart to do this detestable thing, for the purpose of making Judah sin.’ This being the case it does not make sense in any way fashion or form for a loving God who hates what is bad, says directly that torture is bad, and who maintains that he is Holy therefore incapable of doing what is bad to have such a place as Hell in the sense of a fiery place of eternal torment. Like a number of beliefs that most Christians are taught, eternal hell fire is not in the bible nor is it a bible concept. Most of these conflicting ideas came from pagan religions conquered by the Romans and many have their roots in the traditions of the previous Babylonian, Assyrian, and Medo-Persian empires. These practices were further solidified in the 3rd century C.E. (A.D.) by Constantine the First when he forced a consolidation of religion that created a mandated state version of Christianity. Anyone who didn’t go along with it was put to death. Since that time modern Christianity has adapted and maintained the pagan beliefs and practices even though they are not in the book most Christians hold a sacred. Wonder who could be behind that? (1John 5:19)