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by Bowen on October 20th, 2008
While I don't blame all Muslims for 9/11, I did see a lot of footage of Muslims dancing in the streets after the attacks and praising of the men responsible. I will not and cannot hold an entire religion responsible for the actions of a few, but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to assume that a lot of people in Muslim countries rejoiced at seeing the USA wounded.
by RosieGHM Jetpacker on October 21st, 2008
Whom do you include in the "we"? Certainly not me, nor others like me. "We" don't blame the whole of the muslim world..only a few..the paranoid..the racist/bigots..the rigid mindset folks. They do not speak for me, or "we"..they are frightened..they do not think..they swallow whole the cloth of talking head/spinmeister surrogate/neocon/puppetmasters. If you truly believe what your question implies, you feed into their lies.
by Zebulon on November 1st, 2008
Because people for the most part are stupid.
by Bigessfour wears a Army COAT on October 20th, 2008
Try not to believe everything you read, see on tv or hear about on the radio. dig a little deeper and see what you find.
by Superbee on October 20th, 2008
Its not like they don't blame us as a whole for things.
by Phillis - Zacks little sister on September 29th, 2009
I'll tell you why. In any other religion in the world, they take care of their own when one of them messes up so badly. If a Christian hijacked a plane in the name of God and killed thousands of people, it would be Christian faces you see on TV apologizing profusely to the rest of the world. There would be MASSIVE news coverage condemning the action!
In the Muslim world, there is no such thing. And it wasn't JUST 9-11. These Muslim attacks have been going on for decades! I don't see any MUSLIM LEADERS coming on TV with any apologies whatsoever, OR telling the rest of the world that they are joining forces to hunt these "radicals" down to bring them to justice so that no more killings will take place.
You're either part of the solution, or part of the problem. The lack of any action whatsoever from Muslim Leaders has spoken loud and clear. +5
by Needs some coffee on October 21st, 2008
The same reason people blame the whole of the Christian world due to the actions of a few. It seems that religion is fair game to judge, ridicule, attack, demean, blame... No group should be judged by the actions of a few.
by LookOverThere on October 20th, 2008
I don't blame the Muslims or the Middle Eastern people. I blame the government of U.S.A.
Seriously, with the security they've got, how the hell did 2 planes get hijacked and ended up flying into the Towers?
by The Special One on November 1st, 2008
I really don't think anyone blames the "Muslim World", at least not in the US. There are, by most estimates, 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. Of those, 300 million live in the Middle East. Those are the ones that take most of the heat. And since you can't really look at someone and determine their religion, Arab-looking people - regardless of their religion or ethnicity - end up taking the fall.
by anneee on November 1st, 2008
Because no moslems have turned in Usama Bin Laden.
by HasntBeen on October 21st, 2008
Fear tends to make humans stupid... in particular, subtle distinctions get lost and generalities prevail: if one is attacked by a particular species of spider, rather than simply being careful of that species, it's likely to be generalized into "all spiders are dangerous", or "all insects are dangerous", or even "anything small is dangerous".
This is evolution at work... we're wired up for self-protection, and generalizing threats is an adaptive behavior that helps us avoid both the threat and anything that might be like the threat, even vaguely. But, because we're supposedly intelligent creatures, that explanation makes us seem a little too much like victims of our automated wiring, so we rationalize with long rantings about how Islam is the great enemy of civilization, etc.
by Rinky Dinky Do on October 20th, 2008
Thank you! Exactly my freakin' point! What do you think these bunch of bigoted, racist, self-righteous Christians would do if, just to repay their kindness during The Crusades, the Muslims did the same thing to them? Something, which, BTW, they would very much deserve and have earned
by Moongrim on June 25th, 2009
When one sees 1.4 billion muslims celebrating it.
One gets a little annoyed at such. How many of them condemned it?
by Carpediem COAT ab imo pectore on February 21st, 2009
I don't blame Muslims for 9/11, I know better than that and have researched the subject for over four years. I don't even blame the 19 who allegedly attacked us, they have been seen in their respective countries and pictures of them have been published, so I would have to ask: if they got killed in the planes that crashed on the WTC how come they are alive and healthy in their countries?
Our people were lead to believe that it was those 19 who attacked the WTC, but there is too much information, studies, scientific proof and others by scientists, engineers, architects, US intelligence agents, US military people and many others who say and have proof it was not any Muslim least those 19 who attacked the WTC.
Ignorance does a lot of damage, when people can be scared to death and lied to in such a silly way and they believe it then all we can do is feel sorry for them. There have been Congress hearings on this subject and it was found it was something else not a Muslim attack. If someone wants to know the truth they should do their own research.
by The Drifter on November 1st, 2008
Excuse me, but didn't those 19 die on 9/11? Yeah, that's what I thought too. I guess we are a little p-off at the others that are still attacking us.
by discobod on October 20th, 2008
take away all the violence and wars committed by 'both' sides and you get:
two radically different religious beliefs which would have a hard time living alongside each other anywhere in the world
i have had contact with many muslims - all good people
and the same for christians
BUT every section of society has its BAD minority
with the world becoming more multicultural i can only see the problem getting worse before it can get better (if ever)
which is a shame - but this has been around for 100s of years (crusades have been going on since the Romans)
by knownothing on December 3rd, 2009
Because a huge percentage of the muslim world supports terrorism.
by Occams Electric Razor on December 2nd, 2009
well thats how propaganda works..we did it to the japanese and now we do it to the muslims..all it takes is a false flag attack or something to get the masses all patriotic, give them an excuse to want to go to war and hate another group (especially when they are a different religion than the christian masses) and then it's all green lit to continue feeding the war machine.
This war is more because of oil and land and contracts and religions than it ever was about 9/11, it had been stirring long before that..9/11 was just the catalyst they were looking for so Bush could go back and finish what his daddy started.
by josie III on September 29th, 2009
Wander around the "Muslim world" for a while and you will pretty quickly realize some things. The people are aware of how culturally and technologically backward they are compared to the rest of the world, they are are angry and humiliated about it (centuries ago, that was not the case), and they blame it totally on the US, and they want the US to suffer for it. There of some enlightened folks who understand it is their own fault. And others do not feel that way. But generally, the civilization does feel this way. Did you see people in Riyadh celebrating when they saw the news videos of the WTC falling down? Pretty typical. That is why there is a tendency to blame the culture in the abstract.
by -O-uknow on September 29th, 2009
The muslim world rejoiced and let it be known who our enemies are.
by Kensum1 on September 29th, 2009
It depends a lot. My girlfriend is muslim and by no means does she want to kill anyone, she really likes the west. But there are bad people in every relegion.
by the_englishman on June 25th, 2009
Nobody sane is blaming all Muslims but the international Muslim community should be asking itself some serious questions and taking some action against the minority IMHO.
Yes, nineteen attacked the TT. Several hundred more attack people everyday in Thailand, more in Indonesia, more in London. Even 'peaceful' Muslims can be divisive as the Danish cartoons episode showed.
One of the most common apologies for this situations is: "Well every religion has its problems and people distorting its reputation".
My response is simple: Show me more than one example of Buddhist jihad. Show me Buddhists protesting and making death threats against the author of a book they can't read. Show me Buddhists blowing up buildings in the name of their religion.
I have read The Koran and it most certainly can come across as violent and aggressive. More so than The Bible. The Islamic community - if they are as peace loving as they profess - should be taking a lot more public action to denounce terrorists, fight the alleged 'distortion' of The Koran and so on. Instead, many of them seem content to do little except warn us not to blame the majority for the minority's actions.
by Contrak on March 28th, 2009
Its ridiculous to think that all 1.4 billion Muslims could attack all at once, but 67% of Muslims support bringing down the west by their own addmission.
by killdrphil - reasonable for a madman on February 21st, 2009
Well, it was more than just 19 involved in the whole thing, you know.
However, I think the intelligent people know that most Muslims are good people. And, the good Muslims can't stand the fact that their religion has certain assholes in it.
by the gun man on December 3rd, 2009
more that 10 acttacked london 7/7 as well 5 of them failed on 21/7 and got 40years in jail haha muslim bitches rot in jail
by The Gift on December 3rd, 2009
theres more than 19 attcking the U.S. and other countries I don't care what you say they all need to go
by Kensum1 on September 29th, 2009
Why dont 1.4 billion muslims, and howver many chriostians, and however many jews, WAKE THE HELL UP.
Noone knows what happens when you die? We are all just humans on this wonderful earth trying to live life and be happy? Why dont we drop our ANCEINT ass beliefs and realize we should all embrace eachother and liveEEE!!!!!!! STOP RELEGIOUS oppression.
by Gone on September 29th, 2009
I'm not, but you have to realize that there are many many more that 19 Muslims that want to kill Americans, if you watched the news lately you saw several arrests of Muslims trying to attack American interests.There are many more good Muslims who want to succeed in America and detest the violence that is occurring by the radicals that are using their name.
by itinary on September 29th, 2009
That is not right.
There is a saying now. All muslims are not terrorists, but all terorists are muslims.
I am against blaming the whole muslim world on this. But if you look at it, there are not too many prominent muslims condemned the attacks or killing the people.
Also the entire attacks or killing the people are all inspired by this religion. So it make some sense.
by Sheila3444 on November 1st, 2008
Ignorance.
by King Tom on November 1st, 2008
We blame the muslim world because of the mentality connected with it, not because of the actual people.
It is a real problem, and I completly understand the blame given.
by bruceytom on October 21st, 2008
Sadly, in this conflict there are no good guys. Western Europe and the Muslim world have been at war for a thousand years. In the same way that many westerners see all 'Arabs' or 'Muslims' as a solid block, many of them see all Western Europeans and Americans as a whole.
It is easy to look at this as a Christian/Muslim conflict. Consider this:
Both groups claim to accept Jesus Christ (giving him the English name) as a prophet and teacher from God. Jesus said the following (paraphrased):
Love your enemies and pray for those persecuting you.
Put your sword away; those living by it will die by it.
You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, mind, soul and strength; love your neighbor as yourself.
[My disciples] are no part of the world, just as i am no part of the world.
Let your kingdom come; let your will be done, as in heaven also upon the earth.
If someone slaps you on one cheek, let him slap you also upon the other.
Note what one of his leading messengers (Paul)said:
If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he's hungry, give him a drink...
As far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men...
Return evil for evil to no one.
In showing honor for others take the lead.
Do not be bittely angry, but be tender and compassionate.
There's a lot more, but you get the picture. This may not be the direct answer to the question, but let's face it--not one true follower of Jesus Christ, whether Christian or Mohamedan has lifted a carnal weapon against his fellow man. All those who have bloodied their hands on either side are apostates who have rejected the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and of the God who sent him, Yahua, Allah, Jehovah or Elohim.
They have rejected the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom they claim to reverence as the fathers of us all. Only those who willingly form a worldwide brotherhood and live in peace and love for God and fellow man can prove their claim to be the true children of Abraham and worshippers of Abraham's God.
Today there are a good handful of honest, God fearing Christians and Muslims who want peace and to live by the Creator's righteous standards. Those few (along with some of every other nation, tongue and creed), even now, are beating their swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks, not learning war anymore.
Jesus taught the prime identifying mark of true religion: By this all will know you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves.
To sum up: there are no genuine worshippers of Abraham's God involved in this shameful bloodletting.
by Bohemian is back on October 21st, 2008
Here is another site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism, and, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_terrorism to balance the information given at the very controversial anti-muslim site http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ posted in another answer above in response to this question. SO ALL sides are guilty of committing illegal acts of terrorism and everyone is responsible for seeing to it that it stops, for the sake of our children, and grandchildren and the memories of those who have died in such atrocious acts of violence.
by mike_70 on September 18th, 2011
Muslims haven't widely condemned this attack.The average Muslim has basically denied that Muslims were involved.Since 9/11 there have been thousands of violent incidents carried out by Muslims groups with other Muslims being the main victims.Muslims don't seem to mind this.They only get upset when the US and Israel kill Muslims.
by Dipstick08 on December 3rd, 2009
because we are immature
by Timjon on December 3rd, 2009
I totally disagree with your statement. Never, from any media that I've heard, has anyone blamed the whole Muslim world. Only militant Muslims were singled out for blame. That opinion is shared by everyone that I know.
by sooz74 on December 3rd, 2009
I believe its due in part to group mentality fueled by propaganda. There is such rage by some against the Muslim world that trying to have a rational educated conversation disseminating fact from fiction seems futile. For some, there is no grey area, only one extreme in which all Muslims are included. From my experience, trying to have a conversation about diversity among Muslims as far as there beliefs, tolerance, morals and ethics, etc... leads to the accusation of being for violence against and oppression of women, of not caring or even supportive of attacks against non-Muslims, of believing dictatorships should take the place of democracy,and of being completely uneducated an unaware of the people and the faith.
by itinary on December 3rd, 2009
I do not even understand the term "Muslim world" we have human beings and some of them follow a religion. See this is the problem with organized religions. They are the root cause of the problem. They make you feel like a political party.
Nobody hating a muslim. Of course the terrorists (a minority) created an image that anybody could be a terrorist. ALso they are successful in imaging the terror with religion. They gave all the data to the aggressive media and they worked day and night to blame it on the larger population.
Now it is time for Good and great islams to come forward and take control of the religion and let the world know that Islam is a great religion.
Do nto let teh terrorists take over this great religion.
by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on December 2nd, 2009
unadulterated laziness.
by thebabbster on December 2nd, 2009
As George Bernard Shaw put it, "The 100% American is 99% idiot".
The Americans blaming the whole Muslim world are, generally speaking, the ones who are inclined to have xenophobic tendencies anyway. They generally hate "Libruls", non-fundamentalist Christians and minorities anyway. So it should surprise noone that they hate Muslims too. ("Them towelheads talk funny!")
by Anonymous on September 30th, 2009
I'm not blaming them....are you?
by Sandman on September 30th, 2009
Here's an example. On 11 September 2009, this notice was posted on a Moslem-owned shop in Houston.
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"We will be closed on Friday, September 11, 2009 to commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Ali (A.S.)
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The "martyr" is of one of the 9/11 bombers killed by flying into the World Trade center.
He became an "Imam" by his mass murder of non-Moslems.
I remember seeing news feeds of thousands in Palestine and Pakistan, and several American cities, dancing in the streets on the evening after the attack.
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Don't you?
by Anonymous on September 29th, 2009
Just happened to read some comments in a syndicated column in this morning's paper ..... everyone needs to understand that the muslim goal is to dominate the world.
They hate the U.S. because of our relatively unrestricted lifestyles.
In their world, there is ZERO tolerance for any other religion, let alone anyone who disagrees with muslim.
And they have such quaint beliefs ..... like stoning a woman who is raped because it is automatically her fault; or caning a woman for showing her face in public. rd.
by HoboJoe on September 29th, 2009
Fanatics. They are all over. But the Muslim religion seems to bring them out for some reason.
by Wynper on September 29th, 2009
We are not blaming the whole Muslim world. Some are trying to however because it is essential when trying to control a population to first make them afraid. "Don't worry you sheep...go shopping....pay no attention to your eroding civil liberties, the suspension of the rule of law, the "protest zones", ease dropping on private citizens...we are doing that to protect you from those who seek to destroy the United States!"
Let's vilify Muslims! Now that the Soviets are not a convenient boogie man those Muslims will do!
No mention is made of Americans attacking Americans who are acting legally? Like those who kill doctors who perform abortions and bomb clinics, those who have bombed the federal building in OK or the Olympic site in Georgia or shot up churches and museums....there are many Americans who hate this country, their fellow citizens and the government but some would call them patriots. It makes me want to puke.
Why don't I see the fear mongers on FOX condemning those bastards? haha I think we all know why.
by Bob on September 29th, 2009
it's far less taxing for most americans than thinking!!! :(
by Thriftymaid on September 29th, 2009
We aren't -- not all of us anyway.
by ConservativelyLiberal on September 29th, 2009
Because Republicans can't differentiate the two.
by philosopher-saint on September 29th, 2009
Prejudice and blind fear!
;-)
by budaman on June 25th, 2009
Why? Because most Americans aren't smart enough to read up on the world. We just listen to little talking heads on the TV. And they will say anything that gets our attention because that means ratings. And ratings are what the TV guys live for.
So why exactly did they find you with a bra on your head singing into people's mailboxes?
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It's not enough just to be alleged to be a terrorist That's part of what due process is deciding are you a terrorist? Agree/disagree Why
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You're reading Out of 1.4 billion muslims 19 attacked America on 9/11. Judging by the comments on this site and in the media anyone who didn't know better would think that the whole of the muslim world attacked America. Why are we blaming the whole of the muslim world?
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I think your right. That again is based on ignorance.+5
by Bohemian is back on October 21st, 2008
I would like to point out that the people dancing in the streets on the day of 9/11, as interesting as this sounds, was proven irellevant footage. The stuff they showed on CNN and Fox News as well as others was the same footage and it was footage from a protest that had happened months prior. When the towers fell and it was confirmed that 19 muslims did it, they queued footage of Muslims, since most people in the US don't speak Farsi, that could have been a parade or a revolt for all the viewers knew...but it wasn't celebration of the US getting attacked.
by Spengo on December 27th, 2008
It goes both ways doesn't it? The Muslim extremists are blaming and killing American citizens for the actions of the American government are they not? Isn't that effectively saying "get your house in order or we'll do it for you and we extremists blame any American for your Government"? I fail to see the difference here. If Islam is truly a religion of peace, one would think that those with that knowledge would be passing that on and discouraging acts of terrorism? Keeping their house in order.
by scubabob on September 29th, 2009
The problem is that, when we Muslims that are not extremists stand up and try to stop something, we come off as radicals because people don't pay attention to the message being sent. If we don't stand up, people assume we agree. So we are stuck either acting in a way that people think we are terrorists, or we are lumped in to a group to seem like terrorists. So we are kind of screwed no matter what.
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Your statement seems to forget that there are a few million Muslims living in the US. We aren't mad at the US gov't and we don't blame Americans.
by Spengo on September 29th, 2009
Note I said extremists. I never made mention of any Muslim that practiced their religion without using violence. Matter of fact...there have been instances here in Canada of Islamic religious leaders going to our Counter Intelligence Service and singling out those in their flock that were potential terrorists in the making. Case in point our " group of 18" that 3 so far have plead guilty to conspiring to lop off the head of our PM and plant some bombs about the country. The warning was given by someone who wanted their house in order...not someone else's. I think that's great and wish that more co operation like that would continue.
by scubabob on September 30th, 2009
I agree, that sounds like a very responsible, and very LUCKY for having overheard such a conversation, man. I hope that other terrorist attacks can be stopped so easily.
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Salaam
by Spengo on October 1st, 2009
I personally don't view a practitioner of Islam who in your words " stand up and try to stop something, we come off as radicals" as actual radicals if what you're referring to is regarding stopping a terrorist threat from within the rank and file of a religious or cultural group . If anything that's being a responsible citizen of the country you reside. I don't see how anyone could label that as radical. If anything it ought to be recognized as the act it is. Protecting people from harm in the country you reside.
by scubabob on October 2nd, 2009
theoretically you are correct, the problem is that, with the bias and judgements in this world, if you get a large group of Muslims together for any reason the gov't starts investigating and watching like a hawk and then the news leaks out that the gov't is looking into a possible terrorist cell and it's just a bunch of Muslims. You are correct though that it wouldn't be wrong and it should be looked at as a good thing...reality doesn't agree.
by Spengo on October 4th, 2009
I'd investigate the lot including a group of fundamentalist Christians and the man on the corner who sells bananas. You can never be too careful.....;)
by Bohemian is back on October 4th, 2009
Good call...the government should start tapping your phone and reading all your emails and questioning you every day for everything you do. They should sit outside your home in unmarked vehicles and watch your every move. You can never be too careful.
by Spengo on October 4th, 2009
LOL. It's better than being blown up!:)
by Bohemian is back on October 4th, 2009
You say that now...but do you remember the public outcry at how long it took to get on airplanes after 9/11 because of the ramped up security? Imagine having the ramped up security like that every time you go anywhere because of your culture or belief.
by Spengo on October 6th, 2009
Everyone on aircraft should be subject to strict security regardless of culture or belief. BTW Nearly all phone calls and e mails are monitored anyway so I really don't see the problem. And anyone who engages in suspicious activity should be watched. If they have nothing to hide what is the problem?
by Bohemian is back on October 6th, 2009
It's an invasion of privacy. And no, everyone isn't subjected to all the same security. Have you ever noticed that the "random" screens are always arab?
by Spengo on October 6th, 2009
Well, Spengo that is not entirely true. A variety of nationalities screened. If you are Arab perhaps you are more aware of the Arabs being screened but don't forget that not all terrorists are Arabs and the authorities are quite aware of that and screen accordingly.
by Bohemian is back on October 7th, 2009
I dunno Spengo. As good ole' whitey Canadian, I was followed in China and in Egypt. I found it a little amusing that the Chinese secret police found me so interesting and held up my visa simply because I was a former Naval Signalman. Isn't that screening? At least they could have afforded to use more than one cop and not the same guy in the same clothes miraculously showing up everywhere I went. I'm no James Bond, but they may as well have hung signs around their necks. :)
by scubabob on October 7th, 2009
Well, there you go Spengo. That just goest to show, there is equality when it comes to being harassed.:)
by Bohemian is back on October 7th, 2009
and do you guys feel that this is acceptable? I don't have anything to hide, I have proven this more than once. It would be very nice if people quit looking.
by Spengo on October 7th, 2009
As I said, it really didn't bother me. I found it a little amusing actually that they would expend resources like that over nothing sinister at all. I'm sure any background check they did on me prior to my visits would have turned up nothing of value but they still went ahead and did it anyway. Their loss, not mine.
by scubabob on October 7th, 2009
You say "their loss not mine" as though your tax dollars aren't paying for it when it's happening in the US. Think about it, how many resources are being used up to follow people around that are Arab that have a clean criminal record that were born in the US. It happens all the time and it sickens me. You also said "it really didn't bother me" because it only happened one time. What if it happened 100% of the time no matter what. What if it was on the news that people should be on the look out for people that look like you, what if every time you went on a plane people thought you were going to blow it up? You wouldn't still think "hahaha, how funny" you would think "just leave me alone"
by Spengo on October 8th, 2009
My tax dollars aren't. I'm Canadian, which I pointed out earlier. I'm sorry, but I was on one end of a racial profiling thing and yes...ok...it happened. I'm certainly not going to make an issue out of it because in a way I understand why. I think you forget that I'm all for people against terrorism no matter what skin colour they wear or their personal deities. For myself, as the subject of racial ( I'm white, not Asian nor Arabic) profiling and then the background checks..it was amusing that they went so far for a signalman. I wasn't a fuckin' Admiral nor James Bond. That's what is amusing.
by scubabob on October 8th, 2009
So what you are saying is...I'm white and one time I was watched so it was funny...I think you Americans that are watched 24/7 and searched every time you go anywhere as well as are looked upon with fear no matter where you go or what you do for a living is perfectly okay.
by Spengo on October 9th, 2009
Okay, Spengo. What about 'Westerners' living in Muslim countries? How are they treated?
by Bohemian is back on October 9th, 2009
You are changing the topic to justify your statement. We can talk about that AFTER we finish talking about the original topic. You claim that it's okay for all people of arab decent to be followed and harrassed everywhere they go no matter what. How is that freedom?
by Spengo on October 9th, 2009
I have not claimed anything about Arabs. In fact, quite the opposite. I am merely saying that it not only happens to Arabs. You may think it does but people from other cultures are also followed and checked. And, you may well think I am changing the topic by asking you the above question. But I think the answer would illustrate that people of all nationalities living in 'foreign' countries have their difficulties in that foreign culture. And, one other thing, as far as I know, all international communications (internet, telephone) are monitored, not just Arab communications.
by Bohemian is back on October 10th, 2009
I never said I was Arab. I am however Muslim. When I wear my traditional Islamic clothing and I go anywhere...even as a white american, I am followed and harrassed. My wife is Egyptian and she has never once made it through a security check without a "random" search. I have a Masters in Psychology, my wife is a therapist. We have a nice house and 3 cars, we have decided to start a family and we both have spotless criminal records. We however get harrassed any time we do anything for any reason. I took a bullet for the freedoms of the US while serving in the Marines and I don't get to enjoy the freedoms for what reason?
by Spengo on October 10th, 2009
Well, Spengo, again, all I can say is that even children are stopped and searched nowadays and they can be as fair as they come. So please don't think it is just you. Everyone gets harassed for something, whether it is their looks, their status in life, their profession, etc. Just think of the people who are disfigured. They too are totally innocent and yet they are verbally abused, stared at and spat on in the street. It is humiliating but there is ignorance everywhere and no-one is immune to it.
by Bohemian is back on October 10th, 2009
I do think that by wearing your traditional costume you are making a statement, that you are muslim and at the same time visually asking people to accept you as you are. As I have learned over the years 'one is asking too much' when one expects acceptance by others. There are so few people who are open-minded enough to accept difference.
by Bohemian is back on October 10th, 2009
When I wear the traditional clothing it isn't making a statement at all. I do it for me, I don't do it for others. If others stare and point, that's on them. I don't mind when random passerby's point, or when kids look because they don't understand. I get upset when my tax dollars pay for the gov't to start doing background checks on me because of it. I understand that people are petty and like to point, that's humanity. It makes me mad when it's government sanctioned.
by Spengo on October 10th, 2009
But how do you know? What proof do you have that you are being followed or harassed? If it is just a question of being searched at the airport, I can tell you that it is not just people associated with Arabs or Arab countries. It's happening to everyone regardless of race or creed.
by Bohemian is back on October 10th, 2009
You yourself said that email and phone calls are monitored, people are harrassed and scanned everywhere they go regardless of race or creed. We have the "Homeland Security Act" which allows the gov't to do whatever they want to whomever they want for whatever reason they see fit. If you feel that the government has the right to do this stuff, you are quite wrong. Just because they are the government doesn't mean that they can SUPERCEDE the rights of the people since they are supposed to REPRESENT the people. If there is any level of harrassment going on, it must be looked at as either a) the government is superceding the rights of those harrassed, or b) the people the government is representing WANTS those people harrassed so the politicians are doing what they are supposed to. In either case, the minority is screwed
by Spengo on October 10th, 2009
I guess you heard about the Windsor "mooning event" that residents of our Ontario border city staged recently? It seems that your homeland security put up cameras pointed at the city and capable of reading a newspaper at that distance. A hundred or so Windsor citizen lined up on the river bank and let their feelings be known about it. :)
by scubabob on October 10th, 2009
I disagree with you Spengo. The only way the government is going to keep us safe is by watching people. I have nothing to hide. I don't care if people watch me eat, know what I watch on TV, where I go on holiday etc. I tell people that anyway. So what is the big deal? There is no big deal. It protects me and my family. You have to look on is this way: freedom comes at a price. We have no rights without obligations and we have no safety without protective measures. If one isn't doing anything wrong, one has nothing to fear. And Scubabob, does it really matter if someone sees what newspaper article you are reading?
by Bohemian is back on October 11th, 2009
I meant that as to clarify the camera's resolution. Meaning that at that distance, it would be able to resolve the print. Homeland security were mooned over it. Government colonoscopy almost. :)
by scubabob on October 11th, 2009
I am sure they are no more efficient than the usual local gossips are!:)
by Bohemian is back on October 11th, 2009
I understand that freedom isn't free...as I said, I served in the USMC. Someone said "we have no rights without obligations"...that is a fundamentally flawed statement. It's a right if it's naturally yours without obligation. You don't earn a right, you are born with it. I have the right to religious expression. I have the right to bear arms. I have the right to freedom of speech....I did nothing to EARN those. I just have them. I shouldn't have to give up my private life so that I can have a free private life.
by Spengo on October 11th, 2009
You only have those rights if you respect the rights of others. This is the point of rights and obligations. You are obliged to accept and respect their rights or we would have anarchy. The whole point of the government listening in, or following or doing security checks is to ensure your right to life and freedom to do the things you want to do.
by Bohemian is back on October 11th, 2009
Without it your rights would be denied by the terrorists. We all have to put up with some discomfort to maintain the status quo. It is rather like driving. The law imposes checks on you in order to ensure the safety of other drivers. But it isn't only you, it is everyone. By following the rules on the road you are fulfulling an obligation which in turn when reciprocated protects your right to life.
by Bohemian is back on October 11th, 2009
yes . most of the muslim cuntries rejoiced at usa wounds and regardin it i ;m with them becoz ther own wound givin by usa are much bigger !
they are beeten on the spot naked on the streets..they are killd .. bush was killing the muslims infrnt of the world but obama at the back!
by Anam_S on April 11th, 2011
I'm not sure what you are trying to say anam, but I can tell you that Muslims aren't rejoicing anyone's misfortune, we want peace for all, any who suffer are too many suffering. If American, Saudi, Iraqi, or French....it doesn't matter. If anyone is suffering, we need to find a way to stop it. The most common thing you will here a Muslim say besides the Shahadah is "Salaam Eleikom" which means "peace be with you". We want peace not war.
by Spengo on April 11th, 2011