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by randomness - is now a Maestro on November 8th, 2009
I feel that it's fine, and I feel that prostitutes are fine. The whole industry should be legalized to make it safer for all involved. If only consenting adults are participating, then I don't see the issue, and I don't see why it's everyone's business.
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I am shaking my head in disapproval right now, randomness.
by N I C K on November 8th, 2009
It really doesn't matter if you approve or disapprove. If consenting adults want to do things with their bodies, why should you have a say? It's not really your business, if you disapprove of prostitutes, don't have sex with them.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on November 8th, 2009
I wouldn't want to live in a country where the government sanctioned men paying money to relieve themselves in exploited women.
by N I C K on November 9th, 2009
Exploited women? If the women choose to participate, aren't they exploiting the men? They are the ones taking the money, after all.
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Also, you don't have to agree with everything going on in your country. I don't agree with laws prohibiting me from marrying, I don't agree with laws regarding the gangs in my country.... I don't approve of a lot of things, but we don't live in a perfect world where everything is aligned with our personal views. We have to realize that other people live in the world with us, we can't always have everything our own way. Denying other people the right to do what they want with their own body is despicable. What if the majority of people decided that you weren't allowed to walk, would you consider that fair? You walking does not negatively impact on their lives, so why should they have a say?
by randomness - is now a Maestro on November 9th, 2009
You think these women want to be prostitutes? You think they want to get payed money to have sex with strange men? I find that pretty unlikely. It's more like they're desperate to pay bills, eat, and support a drug habit.
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So you don't have a moral problem with turning sex into a simple economic exchange? So do you think heroin should be legal? It's not affecting you, so what business is it of the government? That's a slippery slope. We have to have some law here, we can't give people the choice to do any heinous thing they want.
by N I C K on November 9th, 2009
So? Do you think that people want to work at the supermarket? Of course the majority don't!! They just want to be able to eat, to have a house, to pay the bills, and to have clothes to wear. It's the same for prostitutes. Sure, not many people really want to work, but most of us have to. If some women choose to work as prostitutes, that's their business, just like if a woman chooses to work at walmart or at McDonalds. And yes, some women DO want to be prostitutes. It's not difficult work, and you can make thousands of dollars a day. It's a very good way to become incredibly rich.
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And no, I don't. I personally would not have sex for money, but I don't think that it's my business if other people want to. I think it's more morally objectionable to try and control other people's lives than it is to have sex for money.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on November 9th, 2009
Also, the "slippery slope" argument is pretty much rubbish in this context. The reason prostitution should be legal is that it would be safer if legalized, and if done discreetly, does not effect anyone but the persons involved. Heroin is different. People on heroin drive dangerously, they neglect their children, they hurt other people while on their high. If there was a way for people to do heroin without hurting others, then I'd be fine with it. It's their body, they can ruin it if they want to, it's not for me to dictate. However, this is not the case. Heroin use effects outside parties severely, so no, it should not be legalized. If we legalize prostitution, we won't suddenly legalize substances which will hurt the general public.
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You're right, we can't just let people do whatever heinous thing they want, we do have to have some law. This is because some heinous things that people choose to do severely hurt other people. Prostitution is not one of these things.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on November 9th, 2009
this is an awesome convo you guys are having and it brings up the question "is prostitution *really* a slippery slope" and if so, a slipperly slope to where, from where? not in philosophy but in evidence. thanks guys.
by Sage Chexie at your service on November 9th, 2009
You are actually comparing women getting paid to give their body to a man, to working at a supermarket. It is highly immoral and I would NEVER live in a country that would support such a violation of decency. Prostitution is the lowest form of exploitation of women, IT IS NOT EXCUSABLE. You seem to be referring to high-class call girls instead of the typical prostitute. No woman wants to be an everyday prostitute, there are a few nymphomaniacs that have no problem being one of those fancy, well-dressed hookers. Bottom line, it's indecent. We have to draw the line somewhere, we have to set down a law against indecency. People aren't allowed to have sex in public places, not allowed to commit incest, and neither of those things hurt people (incest does sometimes).
I really hope you never become a hooker. I'm worried about you.
by N I C K on November 9th, 2009
you appear to make a distinction between "high class call girls" and "typical prostitute".. can you clarify how the two are different please? do you mean to imply that the "high class call girls" are all nymphos who enjoy what they do, but that all other prostitutes do not? also, who are you worried about becoming a prostitute? me or randomness?
by Sage Chexie at your service on November 9th, 2009
Indecency is subjective, which is why we cannot make laws regulating it and be fair at the same time. To me, prostitution IS decent, to you, it isn't. To you, women wearing pants might be decent, while to someone in the middle east, a woman wearing pants would be totally indecent, and an offense punishable by whipping. We need laws against things that hurt people, like incest DOES (which I won't delve further into here), but we do not need laws against things which hurt nobody, with the possible exception of the participants, such as prostitution, wearing pants, etc etc.
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And I don't think I ever will become a hooker. It doesn't appeal to me, I actually find the whole concept kind of gross, but I don't think that my feelings should prevent others from living their lives as they want to, especially when they aren't hurting anyone.
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And I really must add... if a woman can just lie there, and then a man gives her money for it, who is being exploited?
by randomness - is now a Maestro on November 9th, 2009
Chexie: I was talking to randomness about the becoming a hooker thing.
There's definitely a difference. Just look at that beautiful hooker that Eliot Spitzer was busted with, "Ashley Dupre", and compare that with your average prostitute. Big difference. I don't know if they're all "nymphos" but they might be. My guess is they are, sadly.
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randomness: I'm not going to try to change your sense of decency, but this is wrong. Really wrong and disgusting.
The woman is being exploited of course. The man is using her to release his sexual frustrations, and satisfy himself. While this poor woman is doing it because she needs the money. That's got to take an emotional toll on the hooker. She's not "just lying there", she's having her entire body used as a sex toy. That is so disgusting and wrong.
by N I C K on November 9th, 2009
Yes, the man is using the woman to get sexual release, and the woman is using the man to get cash. Like I said, it's not exploitation. Exploitation, as defined by the dictionary, is: "benefit unfairly from the work of (someone), typically by overworking or underpaying them."
Hookers, if they know what they're doing, get paid well. If the industry was legalized and regulated, they could choose their own hours, and their pay would be better, as they would be out from under the thumb of greedy, unregulated pimps. If the hooker consents, it's hardly "unfair". It's two consenting adults participating in a sex act. And again, YOU may think that it's wrong, but a lot of us don't, it's entirely subjective. If you don't like it, don't participate, but don't insist that other people shouldn't be able to participate either.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on November 9th, 2009
nick, sorry i still don't know what the difference is. i can't tell just by looking at ashley dupre's picture, and i don't know what an 'average prostitute' is. would you clarify please? sorry im not catching on here.
also, why is it sad to be a nympho? my first guess is that its not very sad at all, but maybe you understand the word differently?
by Sage Chexie at your service on November 10th, 2009