by Lady Justice on June 16th, 2008

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Why do you like God and not Satan?God created and designed Satan which is evil knowing what Satan would've done. In other words he planned Satan's actions and made it look like free will did it. So Satan is like a pawn more than a master of evil.

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  • by the Otter on June 16th, 2008

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    You’re giving way too much credit to God. God didn’t plan Satan’s actions any more than your parents planned your actions. Satan’s just a little brat that got ticked off because God didn’t accept his (Satan’s) plan instead of His (God’s) own, then proved his point by running away from home. Now he’s miserable, but instead of just bucking up, going back to Father, and asking for forgiveness (if he even has that ability, any more), he’s trying to take as many of us down with him as he can.

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    • Yes but why can't God simply talk to him? I mean he knows the result but it is almost as though God is ignoring him altogether. I mean is there any type of evidence that can prove that God has tried diplomacy? I mean did he just stick him down there and just forget about him? I mean the actions of Satan cannot be justified but do remember the responsibility of God is to bring forth peace in the family and that is something that has not happened yet.

      Anyways I see the universe through a godly scale and I will explain why. In the beginning God created the universe, right? Out of what? Himself? Then Satan rebels after Gods knowledge of the results but he still creates Satan anyway. Then he places Adam and Eve next to the tree of knowledge and tells them not to eat the fruit but he knows that they are going to eat it anyway because he is omnipresent. Then for the next couple thousand of years he continually creates bad people like Hitler and does nothing to stop them.

      Lady Justice

      by Lady Justice on June 16th, 2008

    • Then he creates people like me and gives me tests which he knows I am going to fail at but gives it to me anyway. My true question here is why? God created all of this with the knowledge of the future. He created Satan and me with the knowledge of the results so what is he driving at? What is his true goal here?

      Lady Justice

      by Lady Justice on June 16th, 2008

    • Thomas, yes, He has tried diplomacy. Furthermore, He never stuck Satan anywhere; Satan left home, of his own free will—as did all those that followed him. I suspect that the door has *always* been open for any one of them to return, and I don’t think we can honestly say that none of them ever have. (We pretty much know Satan hasn’t chosen to return; I think God would mention it to the prophets, if he had.)
       
      Re: “God created the universe… Out of what?”… Out of pre-existing matter. Matter can be neither created nor destroyed; even Isaac Newton knew that much.
       
      Re: “Satan rebels after Gods knowledge of the results but he still creates Satan anyway.”… Where do you get the idea that God knew Lucifer would rebel? God created Lucifer for the same reason we humans create children: out of love. That Lucifer rebelled and became Satan was his own choice and had nothing to do with what Father wanted for him.
       
      Re: “Then he places Adam and Eve next to the tree of knowledge and tells them not to eat the fruit but he knows that they are going to eat it anyway…”… God gave Adam and Eve a choice: eat of this tree, learn good from evil, allow everyone else to come to Earth, and eventually die; or stay here forever with neither happiness nor misery nor even the ability to reproduce. Sure, Satan deceived Eve (convincing her that she wouldn’t actually die), but Adam made a conscious decision, and ultimately, they made the right one.
       
      Re: “Then for the next couple thousand of years he continually creates bad people like Hitler and does nothing to stop them.” He doesn’t create bad people; He creates people. It’s not God’s fault that His children choose to do bad things. What could He possibly do about it? If He sins, He ceases to be God and the entire human race is doomed to Hell.
       
      Re: “What is his true goal here?” His goal is the ultimate goal of any loving parent: for us to become like Him, to have everything He has, to experience all the joy existence has to offer.
       
      These are all great questions, Thomas, but it sounds to me like they can all be summed up with the last paragraph, which essentially poses the same questions many people have: “What is the purpose of life?” The answer is actually incredibly simple. God is your literal Father, and He *does* have a plan for you to be happy—both in this life and the next. If you want more info, check out the Church of Jesus Christ’s “Basic Beliefs” site at http://tinyurl.com/56vj7w . There’s even a “live chat” feature where you can ask any question you like.
       
      Blessings!

      the Otter

      by the Otter on June 17th, 2008

    • Ahhh I see! That makes alot of sense now! You see the problem I have is that some people say God knows everything thus if that is true then why did he fail on purpose? I mean I would rather hear that God made some mistakes as humans do and don't see the events that were to take place with Satan and Hitler, etc.

      Anyways thanks for the answers. Good day.

      Lady Justice

      by Lady Justice on June 17th, 2008

    • np, DT. You have a great day too!

      the Otter

      by the Otter on June 17th, 2008

    • There is another aspect of this whole thing that you are missing, Voldemort. People who tend to blame God for the evil and suffering we face in this life are usually looking at it exclusively from the perspective of the few decades we have in mortality. God is looking at things from an eternal perspective. When looked of from this perspective, mortality is but a blip. There are certain lessons that we must learn here, lessons that can't be learned without facing opposition and choosing our own course through mortality. If God eliminated Satan, then we would not be able to learn these lessons. Yes, suffering is caused by people who make the wrong decisions. No, we don't want to experience that nor should good people simply stand by and allow such things to happen. However, the sorrows and suffering of this existence are nothing compared to the eternal joy that can be ours with the Father if we have done our best to do as He has asked of us.

      Glenn Blaylock

      by Glenn Blaylock on July 23rd, 2008

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