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  • um...huh? You want to give some links to what you are asking about?
  • Witness blames RCMP, Vancouver airport for death of Tasered man Last Updated: Friday, October 19, 2007 | 12:19 AM ET CBC News A man who witnessed a Taser incident at Vancouver International Airport last Sunday said security at the facility and RCMP are to blame for the death of a distraught man in the terminal who didn't understand English. Lorne Meltzer insists the RCMP were too hasty to use the Taser. (CBC) Lorne Meltzer, a corporate valet, told CBC News Thursday he was at the airport picking up a client just before 1:30 a.m. Sunday and found himself facing Robert Dziekanski. He said he tried to calm an agitated Dziekanski, 40, in the public arrivals area and unwittingly let the Polish immigrant back into the secure international arrivals area, using his pass to open the one-way doors. Meltzer has a security pass to the secure international arrivals area, as a personal assistant to a Vancouver businessman who often has clients fly into town. "I think the responsible parties are the Vancouver Airport and the RCMP for not having other negotiating tactics once he's at the heightened state," said Meltzer, who was the person who called in RCMP. He said he clearly warned them the man didn't speak English. Meltzer claimed the officers gave Dziekanski two commands in English and within seconds Tasered him after he held a stapler in an apparent threatening manner. Robert Dziekanski, seen in this picture taken in Poland, was a construction worker in his home country. (Global) "He [Dziekanski] raised the stapler in the air and they [RCMP] said, 'Put your hands on the desk,' in English," Meltzer said. Meltzer said the RCMP were too hasty to use the Taser and he refutes the police claim that the area was too crowded to use pepper spray, because "it was empty." Dziekanski was Tasered by RCMP and later died. Police and a witness conflict in the number of jolts the man is alleged to have received. RCMP insist that the man was zapped two times, but Sima Ashrafinia, who was at the airport and recorded the incident on her cellphone, told CBC News on Monday that RCMP officers stunned Dziekanski four times. An autopsy by the B.C. Coroner's Service on Tuesday did not find the cause of death, citing no trauma or disease was found. Officials are still waiting for the results of toxicology tests and microscopic examinations. _______________________________________________________ Decapitated bus passenger, man was 'totally calm' during attack July 31, 2008 at 3:28 PM EDT BRANDON, MAN. - A young man travelling on a Greyhound bus was stabbed to death and beheaded by a stranger in a horrifying act of apparently random violence. The incident occurred on a bus travelling from Edmonton to Winnipeg just before 10 p.m. Wednesday. A man of about 18 who was sleeping with headphones on was attacked by his seat mate, according to the man who sat in front of them. Police had no answers Thursday as to what prompted a man on a Greyhound bus to suddenly stand up and repeatedly stab his seatmate and behead him in front of horrified passengers. Eye-witness accounts of bus slaying He was stabbed repeatedly with a large hunting knife, sending blood spraying across the interior of the bus. The driver quickly pulled over and passengers fled out the front door. The attacker then sawed off the victim's head and carried it to the front of the bus. The two did not apparently know one another. The victim boarded the bus in Edmonton, one witness said, and the attacker boarded in Manitoba. A standoff with police ensued until about 1 a.m. local time. A 40-year-old man was taken into custody. Garnet Caton, 26, was sitting in the seat in front of the attacker. "I was just reading a book and all of a sudden I heard a guy screaming. I turned around and the guy sitting right beside me was standing up and stabbing another guy with a big Rambo knife," he said. "Right in the throat. Repeatedly." The man wielding the knife had a shaved head and was wearing sunglasses, he said. "He looked totally calm. He didn't say a word I don't think to anybody on the bus ... nothing. Just totally calm." Mr. Caton said most passengers were sleeping at the time and didn't realize what was happening. "I screamed 'stop the bus!' ... Everybody got the hell off, and people at the front of the bus didn't really understand what was going on. It almost turned into a trample scene there, everybody trying to get off the bus. But the guy didn't care at all. He wasn't concerned with anybody but the guy he was stabbing. "The guy was totally calm. When he brought the head he looked at us and dropped it. It was like he was having a day at the beach. He couldn't be bothered by anything else." Passenger Cody Olmstead from Kentville, N.S., said he had just smoked a cigarette with the victim at the last stop in Brandon. He said he believed the victim had gotten on the bus in Edmonton. "We just left the town of Brandon and we were watching Zorro and the next thing I know I hear somebody scream and I look back and there's some big guy holding this little fellow up between the bathroom door and the seat," Mr. Olmstead told CBC News. After passengers fled the bus and braced the door to keep the attacker inside, he returned with the victim's head, Mr. Olmstead said. "His hand come out the door with the knife," he said. "He went back on the bus and then they [passengers] brace the door and he come back standing in the doorway with the head, looked at them, dropped the head, went back and started cutting buddy back up." As night fell and police surrounded the bus, the suspect taunted police officers, Mr. Olmstead said. "He comes up and he picks the head up and he's waving it in the window. I just smoked a cigarette with this man [the victim] earlier, the head, and he's shaking it back and forth at the window and it's ... intense right, it's sickening." RCMP Sgt. Steve Colwell provided few other details at a press briefing Thursday afternoon. He referred to the crime as a stabbing, but refused to confirm whether or not the victim had been decapitated. Sgt. Colwell said the suspect was arrested just before 1:30 a.m. when he tried to escape through a broken bus window after a prolonged standoff with police. Sgt. Colwell said the suspect, who has yet to be charged, is believed to have been from out of province. He refused to name him or the victim. He also refused to confirm the victim's age or where he is from. Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said the violent attack is a "horrific" incident and his heart goes to the family of the victim. However, Mr. Day played down the possibility of enacting tough security measures in Canada's bus terminals, similar to what already exists in airports. “People should always be open to looking at precautionary measures. But let's keep in mind that as bizarre and tragic as this is, it is extremely rare,” Mr. Day said. He also dismissed talk by some opposition MPs of a “knife registry,” saying that millions of them are bought each year simply for kitchen use. He added that there are already provisions in the Criminal Code against crimes and assaults. Speaking at a Conservative caucus meeting, Mr. Day said he does not want to jeopardize the investigation, but added he wants to see the killer “convicted in court.” “We want to make sure that the process is followed as aggressively as possible, a full legal process, and the perpetrator is definitely dealt with the full force of the law,” he said. Greyhound called the event tragic but isolated. A company spokeswoman said bus travel is the safest mode of transportation, despite the fact bus stations do not have metal detectors and other security measures used at airports. “Due to the rural nature of our network, airport-type security is not practical. It's a very different type of system,” Abby Wambaugh said from Greyhound's corporate offices in Texas.
  • My point is, why would the police taser a man when they had several other options of subduing him, and did not take into consideration that the man was simply upset because he could not locate his mother, who he was to meet there, and did not speak English to ask for help. But, then when they are actually witnessing a madman cannibalizing an innocent victim, trying to escape the bus that he was being held in, and taunt them by waving the victim's head in the window of the bus at them,they do not shoot, taser or pepper spray that person? They watch this horrific scene and wait until they can safely subdue him. What if that guy had managed to escape the bus through the window, brandishing his knife still, and harm another passenger who were all still standing on the road beside the bus? The safety of the other passengers as well as the police officers themselves, should have prompted them to shoot the idiot. If only to stop him from disrespecting the victim's body further. Remember, there was clearly no doubt at all about the murderer's guilt. He was witnessed by the other passengers on the bus, as well as the police themselves.
  • Because racist America though about good old terrorism. Then again Murder is terrorism. Hmmmmm.... well who knows. Maybe the tazer guy just wanted to kill a foreigner. This world is a twisted place. As for the murderer they probably didn't want to get too close to him for fear of losing their heads. I really don't know the conclusion but in the end this nation is getting to the point where I just don't care anymore. Screw them.
  • you're forgetting that police are human not machines. They all have different personalities, tempers, and levels of bravery. I think the ones at the airport were just a bit higher tempered than the ones at the bus attack thing. And the ones at the bus were probably just not brave/crazy enough to handle it.

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