Is Goku Supersaiyan 4 stronger than Broly Legendary Super Saiyan?

In the short run SSJ4 Goku would easily win because of the fact the he is that much stronger then Broly. But in the long run, if Broly wasn't killed right away he could easily gain the upper hand because remember he is the once in a millenia legendary super saiyan. After SSJ he turns into LSSJ(Legendary Super Saiyan) and not SSJ2 because since he is the legendary SSJ he has his own form of SSJ powers which no other Super Saiyan can attain. Unlike Goku, Broly doesn't tire out and his power constantly increases as he fights. So hypothetically if Goku did not finish him off early, Broly could eventually reach the power of SSJ4 since his power only increases and does not and will not decrease and Goku would also eventually tire out as we've seen him do before.

Consider this. Goku, in the 11th(?) movie, is basically charged by Kaio-sama with going to hell to kill Brolly again after Trunks and Goten finally defeat him, and this was at the point in the series where he could only reach SSJ3. That means that it is almost guaranteed that Goku could kill Brolly with an extreme level of ease as SSJ4.

broly can kill goku but goku is the hero in this show thats why broly is dead

broly is the super strongest in dragon ball z becase broly can kill goku when he is in his ultimate form (when he meat his ultimate form) broly is the strongest

I've never had my dick sucked by another dude, so I wouldn't know.

Super saiyan 4 goku on a 1on1 battle against Legendary Super Saiyan Broly would have a chance to beat him, but not without copping a shit-load of damage and if he did it quickly due to Broly's ever increasing power. however due to the circumstances, after a few moments of battle, ss4 goku would not stand a chance.

why i say this and my evidence:

The broly event happened after the android saga.
Gohan never did turn super saiyan 2 in the battle against broly (supposedly because even after the battle with cell, it was still hard for Gohan to turn super saiyan 2 again because he still couldn't control it and had to get "really pissed 10x" but didn't get the chance because he got knocked out pretty early in the battle with Broly and didn't really rejoin).

more evidence to back this up: Because Gohan hadn't turned super saiyan yet at the beginning of the cell saga since he actually attained it by training for approx. 2 years in the hyperbolic time chamber to face semi-perfect cell afterwards;
AND coincidently he was able to turn super saiyan straight away in the Broly event.

so through this, piccolo at this time would be a super namekian through kami fusion, pretty much equal to super saiyan 1.

now on to the point:

basically in the battle, all 5 fighters, Goku, Vegeta,Trunks, Piccolo and Gohan had received a freakin' belting from Broly.

So Piccolo, gohan, vegeta and trunks had to transfer almost their entire supply of ki and life energy (since they all fainted from exhaustion after the transfer) to Goku. Thats basically the fusion of 5 super saiyans ( counting piccolo's super namekian power as one, since his ki is equal to that of a super saiyan; and since goku already has super saiyan power, obviously makes another, so that's 2 plus Vegeta,trunks and gohan = 5 ) into one person, goku.

in calculation, what goku becomes after the transfer is more powerful than super vegito (super saiyan vegito) from buu saga.
Vegito is the fusion of 2 super saiyans through potara, remember potara gives a boost to the fusion and is stronger than super saiyan 3 and equal to super saiyan 4, so lets be generous and say that through potara fusion and potara boost, thats 3 super saiyans in super vegito (super saiyan vegito) plus power up from potara.

3 super saiyans vs 5 super saiyans; the obvious winner is 5 super saiyans.

on to the point:

okay, so we've got goku in his new state against broly.
If you all notice, goku charges every bit of power he has attained including his own, into ONE punch. So this punch so COINCIDENTLY hits Broly in the ABDOMEN. remember that his abdomen is the most vulnerable part in his body since he was stabbed there as a baby.

From the impact, Broly gets more than critically damaged and is sent falling to the ground, never to be seen again until the next movie which in the beginning shows he is still alive, coming in a saiyan space ship to Earth, then shows that he was near death, bleeding from critical damage and got frozen under the ice on Earth. in other words, he DID NOT DIE from a full energy given punch by goku who in that state was stronger than SUPER VEGITO!!! meaning stronger than SUPER SAIYAN 4!!!

The only reason broly was overwhelmed was because the punch landed on his abdomen, his vulnerable spot since childhood.

Now lets hit the Rewind button and go back to the moment where goku is going to land the punch:

lets create a new scenario and say this awesome punch hit another body part, like for example Broly's chest. The punch lands on his chest, and Broly is sent flying and is dealt quite the damage... But thats it, from a full-energy consumed punch from someone who is stronger than super vegito, meaning stronger than super saiyan 4.

that would have been the most damage dealt to Broly in the entire battle, and it would be the last since goku expended ALL of his energy on that single punch, Goku after that would be defenceless and All hope is lost and everyone would be screwed.

So after all of this evidence, i think its safe to say that Super saiyan 4 goku on a 1on1 battle against Legendary Super Saiyan Broly would have a teeny-tiny chance to beat him but only in the first few moments of the battle since Broly's strength would have increased dramatically due to constant energy increase.

After those few precious moments, Super Saiyan 4 Goku would not stand a chance against Legendary Super Saiyan Broly.


Legendary Super Saiyan Broly RULES!!!!!!! XD!!!

broly is nowhere near strong enough, he didnt get the training goku did in controlling and accessing power. broly is called the "legendary super saiyan" simply because he was born a super saiyan, no other saiyan is or was able to achieve that state in power let alone training, geez! dont you guys understand the shit you read? the anime is clear when everybody is trippin on goku because he had reached a super saiyan state but hadnt quite transformed. frieza was scared that it would happen, it was the reason he blew up planet vegeta inthe first place, and the true reason king vegeta tried to kill broly when he was born. but lets face it, he was out of control and so was his power, it consumed him. if he ever got the actual training that goku got he would definitely be unstoppable. in short he doesnt have special super saiyan status, hes the "legendary" one because he was born with a power level of ten thousand. no more, no less, his power is almost limitless but he can only make himself an "ascended saiyan" almost saiyan level 2, and im going to be for real about this. he would have been at the bottom level of super saiyan 2 if he was. gohan became the ultimate super saiyan level 2 when he was 12, so i think him and broly and trunks are all pretty much the same deal, gohan,broly and trunks were all born with extremely high power levels. gohan and trunks got the proper training so at young ages were stronger than broly when he was a full grown adult. pikkon was so strong that he kicked the shit out of broly and frieza and dragged them both back to hell kicking and screaming. goku had to train and become super saiyan 3 in order to fight pikkon at the underworld tournament. in the end broly ended up not being that strong, and him being a possible super saiyan 2 (low lvl) at the same time he fought all four of the super saiyans, any of them at that power level would have beat the living shit out of them too, do you really think gohan couldnt have if he was as strong as he became and went crazy? i mean hes so naturally strong that he is as strong as ultimate super saiyan 2 without even powering up.when broly fought everyone they were at the bottom lvl of super saiyan. so that idiotic comparison someone made earlier about that is truly retarded.
super saiyan 4 is a powr lvl broly could never reach and thats because he doesnt have the heart of a pure warrior, hes just a monster, hes more akin to akira than anything. brolys power drove him crazy and he wasnt even that strong. go figure...the minute everyone hit super saiyan lvl 2 they surpassed brolys power, the only problem is that with his hulk like qualities, he can maintain his form indefinitely.

good guys always win

i dont get it either because from the lookes of it broly was only an assended super saiyan or a super saiyan 2. so goku should have been able to beet him easily since he was a super saiyan 3 at that point

dude i dont even care broly was my fave over every charichter exept he was tied with majin vegeta and vegeto and vegeta i dont know they are all my top fave o and trunks come on the guys is a badass

i think super sayin4 goku would win because broly is sssssssssssssooooooooooooo weak like goten and trunkes killed him.

I read somewhere that the creator said that Legendary Broly is the pure form of SSJ3. But it doesn't matter anyways. Each time the Z fighters fight Broly, Goku has to beg for Ki so that he doesn't die, or they need little Trunks to throw some type of barrier so that Broly can't keep strengthening his attack. Plus it takes three "Super Sayans" (4 including trunks), to defeat One Legend!!! In essence, there is no real way to gauge Broly's power except when he kicks the crap out of everyone 1on1. I'm bias, so in a straight up 1on1 match, i think Broly would stomp on SSJ4 Goku. p.s. Bio Broly sucked ass... what a way to kill a character

just for the record goku beat broly in ssj2

ok consider this you know how after super sayain vegeta went into a different form super vegeta? well thasts pretty much what brolly is but when u go into this form you get stronger but u get really slow. brolly has mastered this although unlike vegeta he is strong AND fast.

ok u know how vegeta after super sayian went into a different form super vegeta? ya thats pretty much what broly is but he has mastered this form unlike vegeta, vegeta when he goes into this form yes he gets stronger but he gets slower. as i said before broly has mastered this and he is stronger AND faster.

Well for ones in short term, Goku ssj4 is stronger than broly in short time... If long term, Broly will beat Goku ssj4 because he is Legendary Super Saiyan, and far aways beyond. Broly grows stronger in the battle... He is more powerful than goku ssj4 in long term.

If broly went to legendary Super Saiyan 2, will be same as Goku super saiyan 4, but Broly will win this battle faster because grow stronger. Also Lssj2 is like 2x2=4 so ssj4 and grow stronger. Expect Gogeta super saiyan 4 because he fused by Goku ssj4 and vegeta ssj4. so 4+4=8 so Gogeta strong as super saiyan 8. Well unless Broly reach to Legendary Super saiyan 4
like 4x2=8 same as Gogeta ssj4 but broly will win.

This may sound out of topic slitely, but how did Goku beat Broly in the first movie (Moive 8)? yes I know that every one gave Goku a power/energy boost to beat him, yet Broly was toying with them all, and still almost kills them all (if it weren't for piccolo- remember, a Syain grows stronger after each battle win or lose, so Broly was still beating them after their sayin extra.) and after this,if he was brought back in bio-broly fully, this syain advantage would have gave him a signifigent boost in power, most likely a level of SSJ 3 of Gokus at the least. So i think it's safe to say Broly is stronger only if he was brought back fully, and as kingdon50 said about the GT boost in power, Broly is probibly more then a mach for SSj4 Goku, and maybe even Vegeto! i mean, im just saying.

yes , goku was allready stronger when he was ah super saiyan 3 becous broly is at a level between super saiyan 2 and 3so goku is stronger then

I think broly is about alomost as strong as goku ssj4. I think he is just as strong because if goku need help from 4 people to beat him. Also when goku colletecd the power from trunks,gohan,piccolo, and vegeta thats alot of power because goku was in ssj2 so was vegeta and trunks and thats alot of power already plus piccolo and gohan which adds more thats like the power of GOGETA SSJ2 and broly manage to handle that power for a while and goku ssj4 is beyond weaker than GOGETA SSJ2 so i would think that broly would porabley win.

ur all forgetting nearly that broly might not be the legendary super sayain he might just be a freak. in all the flash backs the legendary super sayain is silloutet as a great ape but he could control himself broly can;t even control him self normally. to be able to turn super sayain 4 you have to be totally enraged plus bultz waves btu broly is already at his full anger with goku so if goku beating him dosent; enrage him enougth to get stronger then wat willcause im sure hes seen a moon or two so it might be safe to say broly can't go great ape. sayains get stronger in fights that test them. brolly isin;t exactly got many people who can test him so it might be doubtful of him to get stronger that way. he wasin;t killed in teh 8th movie so he couldn;t get the death bonus and in bio broly his DNA is changed mutated so thats why he dosen;t get the bonus then. and the fusions vegeta and goku are rivals thats why they get stronger not the hatred so broku wouldn;t be that powerful broly see's goku as his archnemesis but goku see's broly as another fight. plus broly is angry at goku csuse he cried as a child wat a wimp. i think my point is proven

You ghys are missing the point, they dont say how stronger broly gets in the form, they didnt say it could not stop at some point because it would be ridiculous, and goku defeated roly in regular ssj so broly's power is equlivalent to that of a level between ssj2 and 3. But heres the real question, where does that place mystic saiyan and can any saiyan achieve it, and would it be stronger?

If Broly wouldn't have died in Z he would have grew 10x as powerful in GT then his Z self just like all the other Characters did in GT plus take into account that Legendary Super Saiyan grows stronger every time he uses that form therefore by the time the GT saga started Broly would have most likely surpassed a Super Saiyan 4 because of all the extra time in that form and because of the saga he would have attained a signifacant power boost like every one else did as i stated before.

He would deffinetly win if he went Legenday Super Saiayn 4 but If he was just Legendary Super Saiyan vs. Super Saiayn 4 Goku then

Goku SS3 Buu saga was 6,700,000 power level
Goku SS4 Shadowdragon saga was 18,000,000 power level

Broly LSS movie 10 the second coming was before the Buu saga and his power level was 8,200,000

if Broly was in shadowdragon saga he would have got the GT powerboost like everyone else plus since he didnt die would have spent more time fighting and in his LSS form thus giving him an even bigger boost in power.

so if broly was in shadowdragon saga as LSS he would probably be around 16,500,000

and if was in shadowdragon saga as LSS4 then he would probably be around 23,000,000 espescailly considering if he was in a LSS4 his Legendary power increase would accelerate faster then his regular Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Now if vegeta didnt crush the potara earings in Z and Broly was never killed and somehow in shadowdragon saga in GT would have put one of them on with goku then created Broku he would be more powerful then Vegto because the potara fusion increases the powerlevel of the fused warrior the more opposite they are and the more rivals and hatred ar between them whicvh surpasses vegetas rivalry with goku thus increasing his power level further beyond vegeto.

VEGETO surpasses GOGETA
BROKU surpasses VEGETO

and if he went Legendary super saiyan 4 as BROKU his power level would be even higher!!!!!! probably around 100,000,000 because of the hatred between them + the GT power boost + the even more increased acceleration of the growing power level while he was in the LSS4 state. Now since he is so powerful he would probably attain the once fake SUPER SAIYAN 5 status but as a LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN 5 thus increasing the acceleration of the power boost even higher! thus bringing his power level around 1,000,000,000.

I Think I Made My Point.

What are you sayin'? lol JK I have no idea.

Broly has a different transformation called the Legendary Super Saiyan, which, by the way, is genetically exclusive to all the Saiyan Z-fighters. He was born with it. And I believe, that is what makes him a maniac. I dont know why, but i think LSSJ can be transformed into an even higher state, which would be LSSJ 2. That, I think would crush Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta easily because LSSJ 2 would give extraordinary capabilities to him, since its genetically exclusive + its a legendary transformation. Plus, another point, Super Saiyan 2 would not be double the power level of Super Saiyan 1. It'll be exponentially stronger and so on for Super Saiyan 3.

Remember, when Goku was fighting the Ginyu force and scaring the hell outta them just by powering up and Ginyu wonders if Goku was a Super Saiyan.... and then hes like noooo because Super Saiyans are supposed to be ruthless and if Goku was a Super Saiyan, he himself would have been dead. At this time, Ginyu was not thinking of a Super Saiyan but was referring to a Legendary Super Saiyan. Legendary Super Saiyans, I think, are naturally born maniacs, which is why they are ruthless. Or why would Broly be mad at Goku for such a simple thing like waking him up when he was a kid, unless you are a maniac, which Broly was(Who would even remember it?). Being a maniac and being ruthless is not an odd combination. It's like they attract each other, right? And remember when Vegeta often wondered about something when he was thinking of the legend of a Super Saiyan. He said that a Super Saiyan had destroyed their old home planet Vegeta. I think that was a Legendary Super Saiyan too since that guy must have been crazy. Even if Vegeta himself, would have been transformed into a Super Saiyan and all the Saiyan race would have been alive, I seriously doubt he would just kill them, even as cold as he was. He cared about his people because being a Saiyan was his pride and so on. Plus, it takes a pure heart to trigger the transformation of a Super Saiyan in you, so why would a pure hearted fellow destroy his own people, including himself? I think after the Original Super Saiyan died, and time passed, people began to notice a slight change. That was the difference between a Legendary Super Saiyan and a Super Saiyan. Vegeta had refused to believe it because such maniacal power would make no sense as to exist. So, he dismissed it as a legend that people made up. But when he sees Broly transform into a Legendary Super Saiyan, he says this.
"He'll kill us...he'll kill all of us! I've heard stories, but I never thought he existed!"
And remember, when Goku is fighting with Frieza after he had become a Super Saiyan and Master Roshi thinks to himself that such dominating a power could easily make even a soul like Goku evil, but Goku remains the same. Well, that is an author's way of indicating (in this case, Akira Toriyama's) of forecoming events. But he could not put Broly in right away as Dragon Ball Z would have sounded like Dragon Ball Z was a one-trick-pony and odd. Issues like predictability would have risen up. So, Broly storyline came up In the Cell saga, somewhere. Well that is to prove that Legendary Super Saiyan is an actual Transformation, not an Ultra Super Saiyan Transformation.

super saiyan 4 goku is stronger than broly. Goku has the will, heart and power, Broly is just a monster. Moreover Goku gets his power from his desire to protect the innocent. Do remember how he defeated kid buu and omega shenron? he beat them at his normal level by gathering the energy of all life forms and created the spirit bomb. No matter how strong broly gets. Goku has the his power plus that of every life form in the universe. Broly is nowhere on par with Goku in whatever level he is.

A highly debated subject, many fans believe the Super Saiyan 4 form to be the true form of the Legendary Super Saiyan, first spoke of by Vegeta in the Namek Saga. Vegeta states in his monologue, that "the Super Saiyan could only maintain his maximum power in the transformed state". Also, Elder Supreme Kai appears to know of the Super Saiyan 4 form, cementing the thought that Super Saiyan 4 has existed before Goku attained it, most probably by a previous "Legendary Super Saiyan".

Source: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/

Now does that answer the question.... Broly is the strongest but Goku has heart so he will always exceed expectations.

your all missing the point in all the movies with broly goku was alway ssj1 none of us have seen him fight at a higher power! if ssj2 gohan saw all the people of earth dead do you know how much power he would have now think about goku! goku can never run out of power if he thinks about the people he loves!

when goku is in ssj 4 he gains a lot power than broly lssj so he can finish him off early. if he did not finish him off he may transform.

over 9000

well broly power does grows, but remember if broly goes into lssj4,his power will increase 4x faster.his power increase everytime minute,so at ssj4,it will increase every 2 min,

so the only person that can kill broly is god himself,no one else

yes, ss4 goku is way stronger than broly, since goku is battle-tested, goku could defeat broly in the long-run. Unless broly trains himself more and achieve super saiyan 4 form, that will certainly be a different story.

yes

broly legendary super sayian is stronger than super sayian 4 goku because the longer broly is in the legendary super sayian state the higher his power level become so if he stayed in the state for a while he would be far stronger than super sayian 4 goku

its true that the LSSJ form gives broly the ability to grow stronger over the course of the battle......since it is the true super saiyan form..........u know......saiyans grow stronger the more they fight........but........even if broly did fight long enough to gain enough ki to be on par with SSJ 4 goku i doubt his body would be able to sustain the immense amount of ki an SSJ4 generates....

those who say if broly goes lssj4 goku is screwed are retarded cuz it dosent exist!!!!! he was born lssj and stayed lssj all his life and if he lived he would probly still be a god damn lssj. and like alot of people said goku was in ssj2 wen he defeated broly so i doubt that broly could beat a ssj4 goku, becuz goku isnt like vegeta who toys with there enemy, he gets the job done so broly wouldnt have the chance to gain more power. itz a no brainer

teen gohan ssj2 beat bojack the villan after broly and bojack couldn't even touch gohan when he went ssj2 he's way more powerful than his father when he fought broly. In broly second coming gohan fought lssj and kept up with him he wasn't even ssj2 and even if he was he had more power when he was a teen ssj2 so therefore even teen gohan ssj2 has a shot at killing broly and goku ssj3 has gotten even stronger than teen gohan ssj2 he has an even higher shot at killing broly. ssj3 couln't kill buu eventhough he was wining without trying and then gotenks ssj3 is stronger than goku ssj3 so he could kill broly and even stronger than gotenks ssj3 is mystic/ultimate gohan he could be super buu easily when gotenks was evenly matched with him. so imagine what goku super saiyan 4 could do to broly even if broly gets stronger as the fight goes on there's no way he could get stronger than teen gohan ssj2, ssj3 goku, ssj3 gotenks, and mystic gohan before goku kills him.

Mitso gave the best and truest answer possible. Because Broly's power level will not only increase, but at a much faster rate than Goku's. Therefore, by the time Broly reaches the strenght level of a SS4( not become a SS4 mind you because LSS is the highest level there is because you're born with it, you dont need to attain anything) Goku would be fatigued enough that he would easily be crushed by Broly. So yes SS4 Goku is stronger than Broly but only for a certain amount of time.