I have found in my son's room, a small sandwich bag full of light green circular pills with an imprint of a snowflake on each side. Does anyone have any idea what type of pill this might be?

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• Very close to crystal meth? Qualify that?
  
  The studies you are talking of lead to unknown conclusions, as they are unsure whether the people were depressed and THEN started taking ecstasy, or if ecstasy is the cause.
  
  The number of direct ecstasy (discounting poorly cut drugs, etc) deaths in the UK over the last ten years can be counted on four hands, I believe.
  
  It's certainly far safer per use than, say, alcohol or cocaine.

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  by H on November 27th, 2007

• Actually it's not. The levels are of seratonin that are released into your blood are too high, your body can't recall all of it, so some just stays in your body and dies. Eventually, someone who uses XTC often will not be able to feel joy without it, due to the fact that they have very little seratonin left (your body can't reproduce it, so once it's gone, it's gone.) Eventually even taking XTC will have no effect on your depression. Watch, in a few years the suicide rate is going to skyrocket.

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  by Dedao Capoeira-seed on November 27th, 2007

• Hmmmm, I feel the distinct smell of bullshit, to be completely honest with you.
  I've never ever seen anything that even suggests seratonin is not reproducable in the body... I can actually safely presume it is (if it wasn't, kids would have to have the same amount of seratonin in their blood streams, as adults. This would have distinctly notable affects).
  
  Ecstasy is considered by many people, particularly in the psychology field, a very safe drug.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• Well, I recommend to everyone thinking about taking this horrible drug to research it carefully first and not just listen to what your friends tell you.

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  by Dedao Capoeira-seed on November 28th, 2007

• The people I know who proactively participate in drug taking know more about the drug than is easily found on the internet....

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• http://www.drugaware.co.za/xtc.html
  Pay attention to the article under the headline "ECSTASY USE DEPLETES BRAIN'S SEROTONIN LEVELS "

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  by Dedao Capoeira-seed on November 28th, 2007

• Because of course your druggie friends know more than the American Academy Of Neurology. Wow.

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  by Dedao Capoeira-seed on November 28th, 2007

• I never contested that it didnt.
  There are undeniable long term affects of ecstasy use.
  I just disagree with your sweeping statement that serotonin is not reproduced in the brain.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• I also contest the validity of the article - mainly because experimenting with MDMA or LSD, for that matter, has been illegal in the US since the 1970s (Even in laboratory/controlled conditions).
  
  Despite the fact that LSD showed to have a 10x better success rate for curing alcoholism than alcoholics anonymous, and a leading psychologist once said that "More can be done on one session of marriage conselling on MDMA than a whole year of soberity".

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• Further more, just look at the use on the person they studied.
  The man started using Ecstasy once a month at age 17. His usage increased, and in the last three years of his life he used it four to five nights a week at "rave" clubs, usually including a three-day weekend binge during which he took six to eight tablets.
  
  Very few, if any, ecstasy users go anywhere near that 'binge' level, that i know at least.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• That's the equivilant of drinking a third a litre of vodka four to five nights a week and then on the weekend binge doing a litre or two in one go.....
  
  That is excessively heavy use, I don't think I can impress upon you how much ecstasy that is to use in one go, eight tablets (what this guy uses in one binge) will last the average 'pill user' four months, at two pills a pop and a month between use.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• I'm reading this website and it has some SWEEPING generalizations...
  
  One says "An LSD user that has a bad trip has such a bad experience they will never touch LSD again."
  
  Not true.
  
  "A single bad trip will cause permanent psychological damage".
  
  Again, not true.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• Look dude, I made my point. Anyone who listens to you and your druggie friends over actually doing the research themselves is a damn idiot. I'm not going to sit here and argue this all day.

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  by Dedao Capoeira-seed on November 28th, 2007

• My "druggie friends" are some of the most academically capable people I've ever met.
  The whole point is that my friends have done the research, and provide an unbiased view of the drug. I do not in any way condone drug use, but to provide a "state of fear", to coin Michael Crichton's phrase, is pathetic.
  Online websites that discuss drug use make it appear like you might as well be injecting razorblades into your blood stream.
  Did you know Jefferson (the US founding father) owned a Hemp plantation?
  
  You need to look at both sides of the coin. It's as simple as that.
  
  I do NOT in any way condone narrow mindedness. Informed consent is where it's at.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• I'll have you know that I grew up around people who did it all, from weed to shooting up. I've never once seen it affect anything positive in anyone's life. And unless your friends went to Harvard Law School or MIT, they've got nothing on me. And yes, I knew that about Jefferson.

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  by Dedao Capoeira-seed on November 28th, 2007

• Dedao, I work in emergency medicine. I've dealt firsthand with people using, and I feel confident in my education on illicit substances. I'm sorry that you grew up in a drug-filled environment, but henpc is obviously ignorant to it's effects both short and long-term. Feel good that you have awareness of those effects; but don't waste your time on someone unwilling to listen. He will have to have his own awakening someday.

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  by Taciturnu on November 28th, 2007

• I'm fully aware of the effects of ecstasy, for reasons I will not go into.
  
  Do you not see how you are immediately prejudiced against drug use? From virtue of where you work?
  I'm not providing a "pro-drug" opinion, just an unbiased and informed opinion.
  99% of people who take softer, non-heavily-addictive drugs, such as ecstasy, marijuana, etc, will never have any serious long-term problems from it.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• Where you work you immediately see the "bad side" of drug use. I do NOT in any way deny that there ARE consequences of drug use - of course there are. But you need to accept that there are the beneficary sides as well.
  
  If a large portion of the world's psychologists support it's use in therapy due to the increased empathy on it, are you going to argue with them? Because, you know what, they do.
  Before lsd, ecstasy, etc, were banned in the 70s from stupid kids taking far too much, they were considered clinical miracles.

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• Again, I like to point this out.
  
  I am not providing a "pro-drug" position, as there are blatant reasons for not doing so.
  Yet, I am not providing a blanket "anti-drug" positon. What I am doing is pointing out is the need for a non-ignorant position.
  Most drug speeches lecture on about why they are bad - yet ignore the fact that there are good points to many of them.
  Do you know, for example, alcohol is the hardest drug to clean a mental addiction from?
  
  Do you know any of the clinically proven good sides of LSD, or ecstasy?
  
  Do you know that more people die, per thousand users, from alcohol poisoning than heroin use?

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  by H on November 28th, 2007

• Thanks Taciturnu. I'm done wasting my time. I could sit here and continue with this and point out stuff like how Freud used to prescribe cocaine freely and that psychology is not a science and is only guess-work, but I'm done.

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  by Dedao Capoeira-seed on November 28th, 2007

• "could point out stuff like"...
  
  Well you just did.
  
  Irrespective of what freud used to do, i'm pointing out LSD has a 50% success rate of curing alcoholism. I'm not saying some rogue doctor BELIEVES it is good at healing people.
  There is scientific evidence that it is a MIRACLE drug.
  
  This is exactly the uninformed opinions that I'm talking about.
  
  Feel free to go on in your ignorance, however.
  
  Or, as you said yourself, do the research and be amazed.

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  by H on November 29th, 2007

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• While I don't want to be too alarmist, I don't think it's "safe" for a minor to be messing around with Ecstasy, pure or otherwise.
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  Even if the drug itself is relatively harmless in proper doses, we all know that teenagers/young adults think they are invincible and are prone to taking excessive risks.
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  I hope Anonymous is able to get her son to stop using the drug (and any others) until he is much older.

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  by Old School on November 27th, 2007

• Well, I suppose it depends on the son in general. You're right, of course, that your average teenage male is probably not using it to help study. But the meth thing is the biggest risk, to any age group using it.

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  by Cantras on November 27th, 2007

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• he's for it now!!!! lol

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  by angel_of_mercy on November 27th, 2007

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