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by Im Alec has abandoned this account on November 23rd, 2007
No, it is not justice to take the law into your own hands, especially when the legal system had the situation under control. The point about the legal system is that justice is *seen* to be done: the case against the accused is made and proved in open court, the accused has a chance to make whatever defence may be possible, and a judgement is reached. Anything done personally by the aggrieved party cannot be *seen* to be fair. Not only may the aggrieved party be wrong (maybe not in this case, but generally), but the case has not been proved to the satisfaction of the friends of the accused, who may well thin k he wasn't that bat after all.
If you take the law into your own hands, do not be surprised if others do the same against you. So when that guy who thinks you cut him up beats you up, don't expect the chance to explain how you were avoiding someone else. If a shopkeeper sends someone round to beat you up for shoplifting, don't complain because they mistook you for some else who dresses the same.
A mob in the UK wrecked the house a paediatrician because they didn't know the difference between a paediatrician (child doctor) and a paedophile (child lover). Another man had death threads made because he had the same name as a paedophile who had once lived on the same street. Give *everybody* their day in court - then punish them.
by Sugar-licious a bellydancing rum maiden on November 23rd, 2007
An amazing thing happened to me today. I was contacted via email by the then child victim in the case I originally referred to below. He has graciously provided me with the facts in the case so that I may correct the inaccuracies in the information I originally posted. Based on the facts, Mr. Plauche was justified and a hero in my opinion. Here are the facts:
1. The case took place in Baton Rouge--Ryan Airport at the time (Metro now)...and it took place on Friday, March 16th, 1984 around 9:30pm.
2. I am the boy--and my mother and father have NEVER been divorced...as a matter of fact they are still married to this day. At the time they were seperated, but the kidnapper was not my mother's boyfriend! He was my Karate teacher and it was not until after the shooting that his lawyers claimed that my mother and him were boyfriend and girlfriend.
3. As for my mother being in on it...NO WAY! She is the one who called the police and then my father...in that order. There were many hours of taped phone conversations with the kidnapper saying we were in New York when we were really in California.
4. We were tracked down by a collect phone call. My mother asked for "time and charges" and when the operator came back on...she gave the address and the motel room # we were staying at...The Soama Motel in Anehiem, CA--room 38.
5. The sexual abuse was not a rumor--it was a proven scientific fact! I was taken to the hospital and given a rape kit which found spermatazoa on the rectal slide. The sexual abuse had taken place for almost a year "before" the kidnapping. As a matter of fact--the kidnapper lost his sex drive and only molested me a few times over the 10 days I was gone. I have the hospital report--I will post it on my website.
6. My dad did lose it...but that was after finding out details of the abuse. And he shot and killed him in the Baton Rouge airport..in front of TV camera's...ironically enough---he found out the time of the kidnappers arrival from the same news station!
7. He was not found "Not Guilty"! He plead "No contest" to manslaughter and was sentenced to hard time..suspended to 5 years probation and 300 hours of community service.
If anyone has anymore questions about the case...email me and I will answer any question! My website is: www.jodyplauche.com
Hope this cleared some things up!!!
Jody Plauche'
PS-the case is on A&E right now!
Original answer:
There was an incident in Baton Rouge (actually I think it's the same incident) where a father killed a man for kidnapping his son. The boys mother and this man were either dating or living together. The man had turned himself in on the kidnapping charge and was being brought in through the BR airport. The father had his back turned and was talking on a payphone. He turned at the critical moment and shot Jeffrey Doucet in the head. There was no admission or evidence, to the best of my memory, that molestation had been committed. There was speculation that Doucet may have provided information against the father. The father, Gary Plauche, pled guilty to manslaughter and received 5 years probation with a suspended sentence. I think he may have been a former police officer or was connected in some way with the police department. I know that if someone did anything to my kids they would see that very small part of me that can be totally ruthless, but the above case had a lot of unanswered questions.
by Mildbill on November 23rd, 2007
nope, justice is sending his ass to prison and tell the whole prison what he did.... shooting him in the head was the easy way out....
by jessica on November 26th, 2007
Well, I agree that it is justice. Maybe it isn't to a lot of people because "the courts" are supposed to handle everything, but I'll tell you what...if it was my son or daughter who was molested by some nasty pervert, I'd take the law into my own hands if I could. Children are innocent. There's an old saying that it takes a village to raise a child...what is wrong with people these days? Noone wants to stand up for what's right and good anymore. Well, I for one give kudos to the father of the son. Yes, Justice was served.
by Norman_Outside the lines on November 26th, 2007
Im not sure, its justice but, I may have done the same thing if my child was hurt by someone.!
by killdrphil - reasonable for a madman on November 23rd, 2007
I think I saw the video of when he shot him. It was in one of those Faces of Death movies. Nasty stuff. The man was pretending to be on the phone and as the molester was being escorted to court the man swung around and shot him in the temple. The guy's timing was perfect. The camera showed pretty much everything (even the blood pouring out of the molester's temple as he lay on the ground). Anyway, vigilantism isn't a viable solution because there really is no way to draw the line (and people have to be considered innocent until proven guilty), but, I don't think I could have nor would have convicted the guy. It just was the kind of situation where you have to just say, "Well, we need to let this one slide".
by yoho05 reminds you to DYOH on November 23rd, 2007
No, I do not agree. It might be called 'frontier justice', but that wasn't really justice either.....
Using the same reasoning, perhaps a court would have found the 'pervert' to be not guilty, due to some 'mental distress' in his background. Would you call that justice, as well?
by Twhupfold on November 23rd, 2007
No, everyone has the right to life regardless of their actions.
The paedophile should have been jailed, not murdered.
The murderer should be jailed, unless he was actually mentally -handicapped-, as in unable to tell the difference between right or wrong, unable to understand why what he did was wrong, etc.
*****
Murder is not justice.
by BrokeDog on November 23rd, 2007
It is a very slippery slope, when we try to take justice into our own hands. I would hope I would have the strength to let the law run it's course, but, seeing firsthand, the damage these pedophiles can do, I'm not sure I could be that strong, especially where my kids are involved.
From what I've heard happens to these guys in prison, tho', killing them would be the VERY easy way out! Of course, some of these creeps do get off for some "technicality", or other reason. I DO see your point, and I just hope I'm never faced with that situation.
by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on January 8th, 2008
You have to put your faith in the legal system at some point..why didn't he wait until the man was found guilty?
by Smart2 is back! Did you miss me? on December 10th, 2007
The man's son may have been molested, but suppose the shootee was not the right man. Now the shooter is guilty of murder and there is no way to take back his action.
I don't call it justice. I call justice allowing the court system to work. Taking the action he did can only be described as vigilantism.
by Gina on November 26th, 2007
Yes, that sounds like justice to me.
by Ender is back.. And slightly confused. on November 23rd, 2007
No. That isn't justice. He should have been convicted of his crime and forced to face the consequences that lie ahead. Death is the easy way out.
by Lazer Ax on January 28th, 2008
I agree that the 'pervert' deserved to die, but I very strongly disagree with the Father getting off on more of that 'mental distress' bullshit. There are literally hundreds of murderers that are still alive today, some even walking the streets, because they hired a decent lawyer who plead insanity, and therefore got institutionalization instead of the death penalty. It infuriates me what this country calls justice. If you rape and then kill someone, you should die. In fact, you deserve to be publicly hanged. But with a plea of insanity, a group of hippie Liberal jurors go "aww, he's mentally distressed, he's not responsible for his actions", and the guy is institutionalized, only to be walking the streets within a few years. Are you kidding me?? Of course he's responsible!!!
99% of the time, 'mental distress' and 'insanity' are bullshit. It needs to be stopped. 'An eye for an eye' should be instituted for murderers, and convicted should get life or capital punishment, with no availability of an appeal or parole. The fact that there are rapists who do no more than 20 or so years in prison, and then walk free, absolutely sickens me.
by koldkanuck on December 9th, 2007
I call it failure to install metal detectors.
The pervert is dead now another mudererer is born.
mental disorder as a defence is a cop out.
jurors shouldn't fall for it.
by chocolate monster has left the building on November 26th, 2007
Yes I would totally agree except I would have shot him in the balls first.....shame theres not more justice in this world
by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on November 26th, 2007
Wasn't this kid molested by his martial arts instructor? It's really a shame that you trust someone like this and then they go and betray the trust and violate an innocent child. All I know is that this pervert will never have the opportunity to repeat his crime.
by Halskiisaklink on November 26th, 2007
Only in America.
by SaraZita on November 23rd, 2007
It definetly is justified...I was a little tipsy earlier, so iread it wrong sorry!
by Chuunin Ninja on November 23rd, 2007
i would rather rip his life from the Earth myself but if a gun gets it done..
by Brian I on November 23rd, 2007
No, I call it vengeance. Understandable perhaps, but excessive.
by Anthony_W1915 on November 25th, 2010
Problem goes what if he wasn’t the actual person that did the molestation. Reason we have a justice system is to make sure the right person is convicted of the crime. The father just wants to make someone pay for what was done to his son. Since the guy seemed guilty to the father he is outraged and wants vengeance, but what if new evidence came up later that maybe this man just looked like the pervert and now he has killed an incent person.
It’s easy to watch law and order and assume you know who the bad guy is but in real life the one who looks dead on guilty might not be and the guilty person might look like the saint.
Now the court system has been wrong before and let loose some guilty people but do we really want mob mentality ruling the streets?
by Newsie on December 23rd, 2009
I see the point, but this is too extreme. I could only agree with this verdict if the man spent time in a mental facility and was not released until certified sane by qualified mental health specialists.
by Amorphous Blob on October 10th, 2009
I'd totally understand wanting to maim the guy. And in strictly literal terms a shot molester would be "less bad" than several molested children whose entire lives are severely affected or ruined. (I have no idea why molesters ever get out of prison. If they have to be released, why, if it's ok to "chemically castrate" them it's not ok to surgically remove their whole package and make them wear an ankle bracelet for life and even make them live in supervised housing.) But I think that the country is better off when the rule of law applies, instead of vigilantism.
by CommonSense on April 19th, 2008
If you would not do the same thing you are an idiot. You either don't have children or you are some deviant yourself. If the legal system was fair and truly made changes, it would hang this guy at midnight on public television. The legal system is not designed to create social change for the good of mankind. You have to make examples out of people and let them know in the harshest way what the consequences are to their actions if you want true social change. Our legal system is designed for one thing: to make money for everyone involved. THE FATHER DID THE ONLY RIGHT THING!! I can just see the court case where the defendants lawyers claimed the mother was the abusers boyfriend and she encouraged it and all other sorts of nonsense. It is a black and white issue. Sperm was found in the boy's rectum. Do you need to see the video of how that happened? Idiots.
Here's the video for everyone that wants to see what true justice is for child molestors.
http://spikedhumor.com/articles/38182/Father_Of_Kidnapped_Son_Gets_Revenge.html
by mebeer on January 8th, 2008
For me to say it's justice or no it isn't has no bearing at all with the feelings that man had.I believe an eye for an eye goes way way back,Somehow or another it's been embeded in everyone's head.Regardless if it was right or wrong that man only seen red to know this man molested his son and yes I can see it happening as I'd do the same thing not feeling anything for the pervert,but feeling sorry I would have commited a crime.I'd only be glad to pay for it as I'd know that man would never hurt another innocent child.If that makes any sense...lol
by AntigoneRising on November 23rd, 2007
I agree with Brian. It isn't justice, but vengeance. Now, if the man truly was innocent for mental reasons, that's also fine. I don't know the facts so cannot comment on that.
by Sandra havent been here since forever on February 11th, 2008
i agree - justice
by Ronald 'BooBoo'Lane on February 11th, 2008
That's funny, immigrants rape and murder Americans every day-----no vigilantes.
But the meassage has been since 1985: 'You can slaughter anyone you want as long as you accuse him of pedophilia. Lay off the immigrants, though.'
by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on January 28th, 2008
Sounds like justice to me. As far as I'm concerned that father did a public service. After all the courts would have just let this monster back out in a few years time to do it to some other child. Only this time the child would be the one to die.
by lwholtz52 on July 30th, 2011
Here's a link to the video of the shooting. http://yikers.com/video_dad_shoots_sons_molester_in_the_head.html
by ConservativelyLiberal on May 18th, 2011
Justice? No. Vengeance? Yes.
by Anonymous on July 30th, 2011
No, not agrees the man was wrong in what he did and two wrongs do not make a right. Justice would have him tried.
by Hardcore Conservative on December 23rd, 2009
Absolutley it's justice. Justice is about punishment, and he got his.
by aspgirl21 on July 30th, 2011
I'm not certain that taking the law into your own hands is what they call "justice", but I can sympathise with the father of the molested child. I can imagine how it would be if I were the victim and my mum was the angry parent. And from the anger I've seen in my mum (when one of my sisters was hurt by her partner), she'd probably grab them by the throat and choke the life out of them! LOL. Much like what she did to my sister's partner, when he left my sister with bruises. My mum may have a smaller frame and is in her 50s, but when she learned that he'd struck my sister, my mum grabbed him by the throat and pinned him against the fridge with such force (and swore that there would be blood if he ever hurt my sister again), he very nearly could've peed himself. Since then, he's never dared to hurt my sister, for fear of my mum wanting to kill him. LOL. I think that's what it is to be a real parent. You'll do whatever it takes to protect your child from ever being harmed, even when they're older and have kids of their own. In this instance, the dad was aware that the molester might not go to prison, and he was obviously insistent on making sure he'd never hurt another child again. Being protective over his child, it may not be much of a defence, but he probably thought to himself that if the molester were to walk free, he might harm his son again, or even other children. So, his aim was to make sure that the molester would never harm another child, even if it meant killing the man. Love for his son and willingness to protect him had clouded his judgement and makes his mental capabiities unpredictable. So, when put that way, your suggestion makes some sense. I wouldn't go so far as to assume that it's okay to murder suspected child molesters, but it's a heck of a lot better than seeing nothing done about it.
by real_ace on August 26th, 2010
I came across this quite by accident and felt it needed some of the elements edited.
I am a Baton Rouge resident, and have been so for 38 years. I was also a resident at the time this happened. A few minor facts are a little different from the above, but the main ones are correct.
I consider Gary Plauche' to be a hero. I once met Gary's brother, and told him of this. I shook his hand and asked that he tell Gary how I felt and that many, many others felt the same way.
I am also a father, and would similarly exterminate a vermin any who assaulted my child.
The facts are these, and can be borne out by watching the TV news tape of the incident:
Gary Plauche' learned from a friend the time of the arrival of the extradited molester. A news person blabbed about the arrival while drinking at a bar.
Gary leaned into a wall mounted pay telephone niche, and acted as though he was using the phone. He wore sunglasses and made minor adjustments to his appearance.
As the Sherriff's deputies escorted the molester through the airport, Gary carefully kept watch. Just as the news crews, the molester and the deputies passed by, Gary drew a gun from within his clothing. At point blank range, Gary fired a shot into the head of the molester, killing him on the spot. The deputies initially reeled back at the flash and report of the gun, then moved quickly to disarm Gary and wrestled him to the floor. Gary put up no struggle whatsoever, and he was quickly escorted to the Parish Prison.
The prison is across the boulevard from the metropolitan airport.
One night many years later, one of my kids mentioned the subject at the dinner table. My wife reacted quickly and spoke with force and strength of intent. She told my children briefly about the Plauche' story. I was somewhat surprised at the way she ended the story:
"If something like that would ever happen to you, your Daddy would hunt down the molester. Daddy and I would not give up until we found him. Daddy will shoot him, kill him in any way he can. He will fire until the no good _____ is dead. If that means that Daddy has to go to prison because he protected you, so be it. But make no mistake, the guy will be dead."
Everyone was quiet for the remainder of the meal.
I still admire Gary Plauche'. And yes, I would do the same thing he did. If we had a swifter means of justice, perhaps we could substantially reduce the crime rate.
In the words of George Will, "An armed society is a polite society."
May God continue to bless the United States of America. Let's be thankful for the foresight of our founding fathers to create the Second Amendment.
by Tracy_W4189 on May 18th, 2011
The guy was basically caught red handed and there was doubt so it is a non issue.
Anyone who believes our justice system always emits justice is fairly ignorant. Innocent people go to prison and guilty people sit at home because of good lawyers everyday.
Those that believe in "insanity" plea as a good defense should be the ones paying for the care of all those "poor people" that need to be institutionalized because its not my job to take care of them. If that's your only defense death is as good a punishment as any.
I think Mr. Paluche deserves a medal.
by Anonymous on May 11th, 2008
TOTALLY!!!
by fred flintstone on December 10th, 2009
The jury's decision is, by definition, justice. That is what the jury system is all about - why it is a jury of the accused "peers". It started way back when the rules of society were mainly what the people thought they should be. The establishment have always wanted to control juries, by denying them facts, ruling out hearsay evidence and even putting them in prison until they come up with the required verdict.
by john pennington on December 10th, 2009
i agree.
by Mr. Sex ~ The Original Mr. Knowitall on September 11th, 2008
Yes, that is definetly justice! If more people in this world could see it that way this world would be a better place. They should also build separate prisons for sex offenders instead of just mixing everyone together as if they're all the same. We may have equality under the law and the eyes of the Creator, but we definetly were NOT born equal. If so, then you'd be just as good as me and I'd have as much money as any person that is richer than me.
by rdoogz on December 10th, 2009
I'll keep mine shorter than everyone else here. Yes, justice is served. If any of you are parents can you actually say you wouldn't want to kill the perve that molested your child?
That can mess up that kid for life.
by Wynper on August 5th, 2011
Many can say, after the fact..."he deserved what he got!" I think we need to pull back a bit.
False accusations of child abuse are made daily. Ask some divorced fathers in particular. Are you ready to set up a system that presumes guilt before innocence? Why not just shoot every father in the head in the courtroom before the trial based on the mothers accusation of sexual abuse in divorce?
Most children who are sexually abused are sexually abused by someone known to them or their family. The specter of the lurking stranger is promoted widely because it is sensational. People tune in to hear that story.
The truth is much more mundane and in fact far more disturbing. Aunts, uncles, doctors, dentists, teachers, parents, brothers, sisters and so on molest children. They are all accused of molesting children even when they are innocent as well.
Damn the facts...on with the execution eh?
Let's hang the faux outrage please?
Serial child sexual abusers ought not to ever see the light of day. Can we agree on that?
In order to do that we need to have room in prison for these monsters. That means having the beds to house them. Guess what? You have to pay for that. You must have truth in sentencing laws. (Which are immensely different from mandatory min. laws) You must keep parole boards responsible. You must have mandatory alerts issued to victims, victims families, neighbors etc. prior to parole hearings.
There's more too but guess what...you have to pay for it. It's way easier to act outraged on the net than to pony up for the services necessary to protect those least able to protect themselves.
by Redundant on August 5th, 2011
I agree..if my son, if I had one, which I don't, but anyways, if my son way molested by some pervert, damn straight I would shoot the &^(((%^$%# that did this to him..yes it is justice
I actually saw the video of this happening, someone taped it and it leaked, surprise..the accused was non challantly going to trial and bang..it was over for him..CLASSIC
by kateybird8557 on August 5th, 2011
Agreed
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You're reading True story: A man's son is molested by a pervert, the man sneaks a gun into the courthouse and as the pervert is escorted to court the man shoots him in the head. A jury finds the man innocent by reason of mental distress. I call this justice, agreed?
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agreed. I do have a certain empathy for the guy who did the shooting in this case, but that doesn't make it OK to take the law into your own hands.
by lady fuschia on November 23rd, 2007
Since you responded to this question it obviosly interested you. I am posted this comment to say you should see Sugars updated answer. You will find it interesting I am sure.
by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on December 30th, 2007
Great answer.
by Halskiisaklink on December 30th, 2007
The problem is that the American courts do not have it right. Yes, we do have the best judicial system in the world but, there are far too many innocent people in jail and even more criminals walking the street. Reference Jordan and Whitney Land, a 22 year old mother and her 2 year old daughter that were murdered by a convicted criminal out on parole. The judge in the case refused to let the grandmother express herself to the jury and even personally edited her victim impact statement himself while allowing the the murders family, friends, pastor and even the high school principal to say how great this maggot was.
The courts need work!! Ultimately though, I feel that the father acted on emotion and instinct took over and he was protecting his child from further harm. I commend his actions and praise him for preventing harm to more innocent children.
"We" will defend those who cannot defend themselves.
by Lawman on October 16th, 2009
No, you don't have the best judicial system in the world. :P
by Halskiisaklink on October 16th, 2009
You are victims of your own propaganda. Your judicial system is full of faults, from elected judges to failure to separate the judiciary from the executive and the executive from the legislature. The idea trial by jury is that the jury decide who is guilty and who is not. It lets common sense triumph over oppression by the establishment.
by fred flintstone on December 10th, 2009