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  • And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
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    • Creamcrackered
      Not what I was expecting but interesting never the less, thank you
  • See if this is what you are looking for? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988005?q=%E2%80%9CI+turned+to+see+the+voice+that+was+speaking+with+me%22&p=par
    • Creamcrackered
      I read the link Texasescimo thank you, but it doesn't address why Jesus described himself as the first and the last ie the Alpha and Omega which is how Yhwh describes himself?
    • Texasescimo
      You were not that specific in your question and you have not commented on the scriptures I have given you in your other questions. You ask a question about 6 verses but really only wanted to concentrate on 2 words. Jesus did not say he is the Alpha and Omega. See if this helps: [“The First and the Last” 2 Nevertheless, our awe need not give way to morbid fear. Jesus reassured John, as the apostle next relates. “And he laid his right hand upon me and said: ‘Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, and the living one.’” (Revelation 1:17b, 18a) In Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah rightly describes his own position as the one and only almighty God, saying: “I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.” When Jesus presents himself by the title “the First and the Last,” he is not claiming equality with Jehovah, the Grand Creator. He is using a title properly bestowed on him by God. In Isaiah, Jehovah was making a statement about His unique position as the true God. He is God eternal, and besides him there is indeed no God. (1 Timothy 1:17) In Revelation, Jesus is talking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection. 3 Jesus was indeed “the First” human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life. (Colossians 1:18) Moreover, he is “the Last” to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally. Thus, he becomes “the living one . . . living forever and ever.” He enjoys immortality. In this, he is like his immortal Father, who is called “the living God.” (Revelation 7:2; Psalm 42:2) For all others of humanity, Jesus himself is “the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25) In harmony with this, he says to John: “I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.” (Revelation 1:18b) Jehovah has given him the authority to resurrect the dead. That is why Jesus can say that he has the keys to unlock the gates for those bound by death and Hades (gravedom).—Compare Matthew 16:18.]
    • Texasescimo
      Who is the king of kings?
    • Creamcrackered
      Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    • Texasescimo
      What was that a response to? Did you miss my whole comment starting with [You were not that specific in your question and you have not commented on the scriptures I have given you in your other questions.] Did you also miss my last comment: [Who is the king of kings?]
    • Creamcrackered
      I was trying to work out who was doing the speaking Texasescir, and the described person sounds like ancient of days discussed in Daniel, but from reading the beginning it sounds like Christ has sent his angel to John, much like God sends angels as messengers in the Old Testament. I do take on board what you said ,and I did read the link, but it didn't answer that particular part of the verse which is why I mentioned it.
    • Texasescimo
      I was talking about your comment. What was your point? Were you trying to answer this? "Who is the king of kings?"
    • Creamcrackered
      As I understand from Rev 1:1 Christ sent an angel to John, and speaking about Jesus who describes himself as the Alpha and Omega, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.(Rev 1:8) also Rev 22 12-16 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Isaiah 9:3 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, The PRINCE of PEACE. In Hebrew Jesus name alone means Yahweh's salvation. Colossians 1:15 -20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should ALL FULLNESS DWELL; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 2:2 2- That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the MYSTERY of GOD, and of the FATHER, and of CHRIST; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.: FOR IN HIM DWELLETH THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. which is echoed in Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD is born, Unto us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulder. And his NAME will be called Wonderful, COUNSILLOR (Holy Spirit), MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE.
    • Texasescimo
      You can't answer this? "Who is the king of kings?"
    • Creamcrackered
      In response to your question, Jesus is the king of kings, lord of lords and sovereign. 1 tim 6:15. He is also Wonderful, Counsillor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, prince of peace, who in the fullness of the Godhead dwells.
    • Texasescimo
      So this is Jesus? (Daniel 2:37) You, O king—the king of kings to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, the strength, and the glory,
    • Creamcrackered
      Yes, the Father in all fullness dwells in the son Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should ALL FULLNESS dwell. For in him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily. I have no problem grasping this.
    • Creamcrackered
      This is why Isaiah 9:6 states For unto us a CHILD is born, Unto us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulder. And his NAME will be called Wonderful, COUNSILLOR (Holy Spirit), MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE.
    • Texasescimo
      Have to consider the context. Just because Jesus is called king of kings does not mean that every time someone is called king of kings that that person is now Jesus. Read the context, that was Nebuchadnezzar. Also consider (Ezra 7:12) “Ar·ta·xerx?es, the king of kings, to Ez?ra the priest, the copyist of the Law of the God of the heavens: May you have perfect peace. And now (Ezekiel 26:7) “For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Here I am bringing King Neb·u·chad·nez?zar of Babylon against Tyre from the north; he is a king of kings, with horses, war chariots, cavalrymen, and an army of many soldiers. _______ Took forever for you to respond to my actual question and ya kinda muddied it up.
    • Creamcrackered
      I'm in the UK we have a different time, when you are up I'm in bed.
    • Creamcrackered
      It's nearly 12am here.
    • Creamcrackered
      Yes you are right I did not read the context properly, as I was watching television. However, it doesn't change anything about the bible text I have mentioned. Now from your replies I understand you are JW? I personally am of no denomination. There are a number of things that I question regarding your belief such as why Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus is the arc angel Michael, and as I understand you do not believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus even though Luke 24:39 says Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. However, if you are interested in answering me I would like to know but you won't get a response until the morning I'm afraid which will probably be when you are in bed, so I'll bid you Goodnight.
    • Texasescimo
      When I said: "Took forever for you to respond to my actual question and ya kinda muddied it up." ___ I wasn't talking time wise, I was referring to all of the post that you made that did not answer the question. ____ Do you want to respond to our other threads first before bringing up other subjects?
    • Texasescimo
      I have a question for you. Do you take 2 John 7 to say that Jesus is a deceiver and an antichrist? If so, why? If not, why? 2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
    • Creamcrackered
      No, because Jesus came of the flesh so he cannot be antichrist. 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Philippians 2:6 - 7 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Hebrews 2:14 -18 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong .. Hebrews 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
    • Texasescimo
      Great! So just because Jesus was the last one mentioned in the first sentence, does not mean he is the subject in the second sentence, right?___ 2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. ___ Cannot be understood as: Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
    • Creamcrackered
      What? I'm missing the purpose of what you are doing? Maybe it's because I've asked a question and now you have a motive for another question and somehow it is lost on me.
    • Texasescimo
      Someone else in another verse of the same structure said the last mentioned in the first sentence is the subject of the second sentence. Context and understanding of the rest of the Bible should be considered. (2 Tim 3:16)
    • Texasescimo
      Do you believe that the Father is the only true God as Jesus said? (John 17:1-3) Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “FATHER, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, 2 just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him. 3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
    • Creamcrackered
      I do, which is why Jesus' name means Yahweh's salvation, Yeshua, or Yahshua, everything about Jesus is the father, and Philippians 2 explains it really well if there is any confusion If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD. 7BUT MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT AND WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN: 8 AND BEING FOUND IN A FASHION AS A MAN, HUMBLED HIMSELF, AND BECAME OBEDIENT EVEN UNTO DEATH, EVEN THE DEATH OF THE CROSS, 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME. 10 THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS/YAHSHUA (MEANING YAHWEHS SALVATION) EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, OF THINGS IN HEAVEN, AND THINGS IN EARTH, AND THINGS UNDER THE EARTH, 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
    • Texasescimo
      Funny, you say that you believe that the Father is the only true God but then quote another verse that was translated wrong that many use to try to prove a trinity or that Jesus is the Father. ______ Notice how more accurate translations render Phil 2:6: who, although he was existing in God’s form, GAVE NO CONSIDERATION to a seizure, namely, THAT HE SHOULD BE EQUAL TO GOD. ____ https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=phil2%3A6&version=ESV;NASB;ASV;NLT;RSV
    • Texasescimo
      Notice: [In this regard, Ralph Martin, in The Epistle of Paul to the Philippians, says of the original Greek: “It is questionable, however, whether the sense of the verb can glide from its real meaning of ‘to seize’, ‘to snatch violently’ to that of ‘to hold fast.’” The Expositor’s Greek Testament also says: “We cannot find any passage where ?????? [har·pa?zo] or any of its derivatives has the sense of ‘holding in possession,’ ‘retaining’. It seems invariably to mean ‘seize,’ ‘snatch violently’. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense ‘grasp at’ into one which is totally different, ‘hold fast.’” From the foregoing it is apparent that the translators of versions such as the Douay and the King James are bending the rules to support Trinitarian ends. Far from saying that Jesus thought it was appropriate to be equal to God, the Greek of Philippians 2:6, when read objectively, shows just the opposite, that Jesus did not think it was appropriate. The context of the surrounding verses (3-5, 7, 8, Dy) makes it clear how verse 6 is to be understood. The Philippians were urged: “In humility, let each esteem others better than themselves.” Then Paul uses Christ as the outstanding example of this attitude: “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.” What “mind”? To ‘think it not robbery to be equal with God’? No, that would be just the opposite of the point being made! Rather, Jesus, who ‘esteemed God as better than himself,’ would never ‘grasp for equality with God,’ but instead he “humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death.” Surely, that cannot be talking about any part of Almighty God. It was talking about Jesus Christ, who perfectly illustrated Paul’s point here—namely the importance of humility and obedience to one’s Superior and Creator, Jehovah God.] _____
    • Texasescimo
      Notice how in EVERY TRANSLATION John 14:28 supports Jesus words at John 17:3. (John 14:28) You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM. ____ (1 Corinthians 11:3) But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
    • Creamcrackered
      Are you telling me that Jesus/Yeshua as the only begotten Son of God, as conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, and in who the Father dwelt, does not contain the spirit and substance of the Father? The bible says that the first Adam was of the earth, but the second was of the Spirit. Jesus like his Father is Spirit, we too are to be born of the Spirit of God, no longer slave to the flesh. How else do you propose that we gain unity with the Father if we do not contain his Spirit ie something of the Father? This is how we become Sons of God no longer born of the flesh, but of the Spirit, ie born of God not of the flesh. The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. What are the seven spirits of God? Isaiah 11: 1- 2 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the SPIRIT of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; Who holds the seven spirits of God? Jesus, John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.” But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the SPIRIT SEARCHETH ALL THINGS, yea, THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is IN him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the SPIRIT OF GOD. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the SPIRIT WHICH IS OF GOD; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of GOD. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the HOLY GHOST teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the SPIRIT OF GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. — 1 Corinthians 2:10-14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. IN HIM was LIFE; and the life was the LIGHT of men. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the LIGHT, that all men through him might believe. What is the bible? The Word of God, Who is the Word, Jesus made flesh THROUGH which ALL THINGS WERE CREATED. Who did John come to bear witness to? The LIGHT. In him was the life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.” That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as RECEIVED HIM, TO THEM GAVE POWER to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on his name: Which were BORN, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, THE GLORY OF the only begotten of the Father,) FULL of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his FULNESS have all WE RECEIVED, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 2 Peter 1:19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a LIGHT that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the MORNING STAR RISES IN YOUR HEARTS. “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the BRIGHT MORNING STAR.” Colossians 1:12 The bible is a mystery, with a powerful message hidden throughout ages, and now brought to
    • Creamcrackered
      light through spiritual discernment, not of natural mind. Colossians 1: 16 - 22 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and FOR HIM: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all FULNESS dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to RECONCILE ALL THINGS UNTO HIMSELF; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime ALIENATED and ENEMIES IN YOUR MIND by wicked works, yet now hath HE RECONCILED. In the body of his flesh through death, to present you HOLY and UNBLAMEBLE and UNREPOVEABLEin his sight: 1 John 1: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was WITH the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that GOD is LIGHT, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we WALK in the LIGHT, as HE IS IN THE LIGHT, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
    • Texasescimo
      Are you trying to say that somewnere in those post it says the Father is not the only true God? God is not the head of Christ? The Father is not Greater than Jesus? John 17:3; 1 Cor 11:3; John 14:28 Look up the verses and tell me how they are wrong. Also consider how these renderings are wrong in light of the context: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=phil2%3A6&version=ESV;NASB;ASV;NLT;RSV
    • Creamcrackered
      No, I am telling you as Father and Son they share the same substance. When something has the same substance as something else the two are one. The bible says God is in everything. They both are described as light, they are both are described as spirit, both carry the seven spirits of God, for in Yeshua God dwelled in his FULLNESS, he didn't hold any measure from Yeshua, and he was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, both were creators, both share the kingdom, both are glorified, the Father uses the Son as glory for himself because the two are one. When you look upon Yeshua you see the Father. As such we too can become sons of God, the bible says the world was created by the Word and the light but we did not know him, he came and dwelled among us in the flesh and we did not recognise him. We too if follow Jesus, ie dying to the flesh and living by the spirit which is given to us by grace, which will search us out, can be become Sons of God, sons of the light. This is how the Father reconciles us to him. If the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not all one, from Yahweh, how on earth do you expect the Father to unite us to him?
    • Creamcrackered
      Colossians 2:9 KJV For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; NWT For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, This is why Yeshua/Jesus means Yahwehs Salvation, not Bob's salvation, not Agatha's salvation, not Amanda's salvation. but Yahweh's. We see the fullness of YHWH dwelling inside Mashiyach.
    • Texasescimo
      (Colossians 2:8) Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; ____ (Ephesians 5:6) Let no man deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. ____ (Hebrews 13:9) Do not be led astray by various and strange teachings, for it is better for the heart to be strengthened by undeserved kindness than by foods, which do not benefit those occupied with them. ____ 1 Cor 14:33 “God is not the author of confusion,” ___ All of that is confusion. Why are you using Hebrew instead of English?
    • Texasescimo
      This is clear: (John 17:1-3) Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “FATHER, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you, 2?just as you have given him authority over all flesh, so that he may give everlasting life to all those whom you have given to him. 3?This means everlasting life, their coming to know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
    • Texasescimo
      Yes Yeshua, I know that you said the Father is the only true God but there is something about FULLNESS and something about seven spirits and the judges in Israel were called God's and Moses was called a god and and and the Catholic Church came up with a trinity in the fourth century and and and my Church teaches it and and and The bible is a mystery, with a powerful message hidden throughout so Jesus and Jehovah I mean Yeshua and Yahweh are combined in substance to be one God, er, em, I mean Jesus and Jehovah and The HOLY GHOST are combined to be one God so I don't believe it when Jesus plainly said that the Father was the only true God. Go figure
    • Texasescimo
      Seven spirits + Moses is a God + Paul said I AM THAT I AM + Jesus is God's Son that mysteriously means that He is God + that KING OF KINGS = at least 11 True God's yet One God so 11 = 1, don't you get it? Substance? Fullness? Mystery?
    • Texasescimo
      Osiris, Isis, Horus = Trinity ___ Zeus, Athena, Apollo = Trinity ___ Amun, Mut, Khonsu = Trinity ___ No wonder you are getting away from Jehovah and Jesus. Amen, Mut, and Khonsu, the trinity of Khnum, Satis, and Anukis, and so forth. The Hindu trinity of Brahman, Siva, and Vishnu is another of the many and widespread instances of this theological conception. Or misconception.
    • Creamcrackered
      First I am not Catholic. The fullness of God dwells in Yeshua, for he is God's son and without sin, God does not withhold any of himself from Yeshua, which is why Jesus/Yeshua is doing Yahweh's will, which is why he says when you see me you see the Father, which is why he says the father is greater than I, but is also why he says the Father and I are one. So Yeshua acts as a bridge in the physical world human but connected to the Father by his indwelling fullness, and he gives us the Holy Spirit of God, from which he was conceived, which reconciles us to both him and the Father. This is Yahweh uniting us to him and he does it first with Yeshua, and then with his Holy Spirit. Even Jews recognise this indwelling they call it the Shekinah. If God dwells in Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit dwells in you, are you your own? 1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, who are ONE, they are all Yahweh, not as you are expressing in the Egyptian, Greek trinities where each deity was separate. Usually one represented the Sun, one the Moon, and the other a combination of both. 1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? Romans 8:11 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. Romans 5:5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Gal 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Do you think the Holy Spirit dwells within you? Do you think the Holy Spirit given by grace, acting as councillor is from God? Is it God's Holy Spirit, or peters, Janes, Penelopes? Does that spirit dwell in you making you eternal? Just as the first Adam was born of the Earth but the second Adam/yeshua was born of the SPIRIT How can you except that you have the Holy Spirit within, but cannot accept that Yeshua had the fullness of the Father within? John 15:26 But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who PROCEEDS from the FATHER, he will bear witness about me. John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. This is what happened when the spirit rested, imagine how much more when the spirit dwells within in fullness 2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried
    • Creamcrackered
      ... along by the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5 He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 3:16 That according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through HIS SPIRIT IN YOUR INNER BEING. Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 1 Corinthians 12: 3- 13 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the SPIRIT OF GOD calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but THE SAME SPIRIT. And there are differences of administrations, but the SAME LORD. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the SAME GOD WHICH WORKETH IN ALL. But the MANIFESTATION OF THE SPIRIT is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the SAME SPIRIT; To another faith by the SAME SPIRIT; to another the gifts of healing by the SAME SPIRIT; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that ONE AND SELFSAME SPIRIT, dividing to every man severally as he will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into ONE SPIRIT. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the SPIRIT OF OUR GOD. 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the THOUGHTS OF GOD EXCEPT THE SPIRIT OF GOD. 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 These things GOD HAS REVEALED TO US THROUGH THE SPIRIT. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the SPIRIT OF GOD. Romans 8:14 For all who are led by the SPIRIT OF GOD are sons of God. Romans 8:9-11 YOU, however, are not in the flesh but in the SPIRIT, if in fact the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLS IN YOU. Anyone who does not have the SPIRIT OF CHRIST does not belong to HIM. But if CHRIST IS IN YOU, although the body is dead because of sin, the SPIRIT is life because of righteousness. If the SPIRIT OF HIM who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS IN YOU, HE who raised Christ Jesus from the dead WILL ALSO GIVE LIFE TO YOUR MORTAL BODIES THROUGH HIS SPIRIT WHO DWELLS IN YOU.
    • Texasescimo
      Quite a word salad. Not sure what your point is. Can you be specific as to what your point is? Did not say you were Catholic, Catholics came up with the trinity doctrine and you seem to buy in to it, yes?
    • Texasescimo
      Again, notice how in EVERY TRANSLATION John 14:28 supports Jesus words at John 17:3. (John 14:28) You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM. ____ (1 Corinthians 11:3) But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. _____ (1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6?there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
    • Texasescimo
      Please answer these specific questions with a yes or no so we know where each other is coming from. (John 17:3) Do you believe that the Father is the only true God? ____ (John 14:28) Do you believe that the Father is greater than Jesus? ____ (1 Cor 11:3) Do you believe that the head of Christ is God? ____ (1 Cor 8:5-6) Do you believe that for Christians there is one God, the Father? ____
    • Creamcrackered
      Take your focus of trinity doctrines, and let's focus on what the bible says, does it say the Holy Spirit of God dwells within you? Do you have the Holy Spirit or not?
    • Creamcrackered
      In answer to your questions, Yes I believe the Father is the only True God. I believe the Father is greater than Jesus in as much as Jesus was of the flesh but he had the FULLNESS of God dwelling in him (Colossians 1:19). The fullness of God are the seven spirits before the throne, Isaiah 11:2 And 1) the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, 2) the spirit of wisdom and 3) understanding, 4) the spirit of counsel and 5) might, 6) the spirit of knowledge 7) and of the fear of the LORD; To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of Him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars.” (Revelation 3:1) From the throne came flashes of lightning rumblings and peals of thunder, Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven Spirits of God.” (Revelation 4:5) Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it has been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He has seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.” (Revelation 5:6). Seven has always been a number of perfection for Yahweh. Yes I believe the head of Christ is God, for his FULLNESS dwelled in Jesus and Jesus did nothing apart from the Father. Yes I believe there is One God, One Spirit of the Father who dwelled in Yeshua, and who dwells in us, for without it we cannot be raised as the Father raised Jesus. Romans 8:9-11 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the SPIRIT, if in fact the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLS IN YOU. Anyone who does not have the SPIRIT OF CHRIST does not belong to him. But if CHRIST IS IN YOU, although the body is dead because of sin, the SPIRIT is life because of righteousness. If the SPIRIT OF HIM (God) who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS IN YOU, HE (God the Father) who raised Christ Jesus from the dead WILL ALSO GIVE LIFE TO YOUR MORTAL BODIES THROUGH HIS SPIRIT WHO DWELLS IN YOU.
    • Texasescimo
      So then we are in agreement. (John 17:3) Yes you believe that the Father is the only true God. ____ (John 14:28) Yes you believe that the Father is greater than Jesus. ____ (1 Cor 11:3) Yes you believe that the head of Christ is God. ____ (1 Cor 8:5-6) Yes you believe that for Christians there is one God, the Father. ____ Thank you, sorry I thought you believed that the Father was not the only true God and that Jesus was equal to the Father and that Christ did not have a head and that that for Christians, there was not just one God, the Father. ____ Thank you.
    • Texasescimo
      Now you see why I posted the following earlier but still don't know why you are doing away with English renderings of Jesus and Jehovah when you seem to only accept the KJV although even rejecting some of it: ___ (Colossians 2:8) Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; ____ (Ephesians 5:6) Let no man deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. ____ (Hebrews 13:9) Do not be led astray by various and strange teachings, for it is better for the heart to be strengthened by undeserved kindness than by foods, which do not benefit those occupied with them. ____ 1 Cor 14:33 “God is not the author of confusion,” ___ All of that is confusion. Why are you using Hebrew instead of English?
    • Creamcrackered
      This is what the purpose was as follows:- The problem - .Ephesians 2: 2- 3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this WORLD, according to the prince of the POWER OF AIR, the SPIRIT that now WORKETH in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the "lusts of our FLESH, fulfilling the desires of the FLESH and of the MIND;" and were BY NATURE the children of wrath, even as others. The solution - But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us TOGETHER with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath RAISED US UP TOGETHER, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us THROUGH Christ Jesus. For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast. For WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN Christ Jesus unto good works, which GOD hath before ordained that we should walk in them. How God does this- Ephesians 13 - 22 But now IN Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made NIGH by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made BOTH ONE , and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the ENMITY, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself OF TWAIN ONE NEW man, so making PEACE; And that he might RECONCILE BOTH UNTO GOD in ONE BODY by the cross, having slain the ENMITY thereby:” And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. FOR THROUGH him we both have ACCESS by ONE SPIRIT UNTO THE FATHER. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an HABITATION OF GOD THROUGH THE SPIRIT. Romans 8:9-11 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the SPIRIT, if in fact the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLS IN YOU.
    • Creamcrackered
      I prefer Yeshua because it makes who he is easier to understand, meaning Yahwehs salvation. And I prefer Yahweh, because in Hebrew it means more to me, when understanding Yud, hey, vav, hey, since letters in Hebrew have meaning in of themselves.
    • Texasescimo
      Ephesians 1:1-7 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
    • Texasescimo
      Gal 1:1-4 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) 2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: 3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
    • Texasescimo
      Philippians 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Col 1:1-3 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
    • Creamcrackered
      It's so beautiful isn't it, it's overwhelming? Ephesians 3: 9-21 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the MYSTERY, which from the beginning of the world hath been HID IN GOD, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of GOD, According to the eternal purpose which HE purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and ACCESS with confidence by the faith of him. Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. For this cause I bow my knees unto the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the WHOLE FAMILY in heaven and earth is NAMED, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by HIS SPIRIT IN THE INNER MAN; That Christ may DWELLl in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which PASSETH knowledge, that YE might be FILLED with all the FULNESS of GOD. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh IN us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. Ephesians 4 :3 - 6 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE God and Father of all, who is above all, and THROUGH all, and IN you all.
    • Texasescimo
      I really don't see the point that you are trying to make in your random scriptural post? Are you trying to say somehow that your post show a trinity? Some confuse God and Jesus. Christians need both, God and Jesus. Our everlasting life depends on it.
    • Creamcrackered
      No, just elaborating and using a wonderful verse which reveals the mystery, which really spoke to me, but One Lord, One faith, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all, pretty much sums it up Texasescir, God bless, I enjoyed our conversation.
    • Texasescimo
      Notice how knowing that the Father is the only true God and that Jesus is God's Son are key to everlasting life. Also notice that John summed it up that Jesus is the Son of God, not God the Son:
    • Texasescimo
      (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you(The Father), the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. ____ (John 20:31) But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name. ____ (John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

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