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by Tallyman on May 10th, 2009
No. Definitely not. Makes me glad that we still have free speech here in the USA. I don't believe that it's guaranteed over there.
He may be a little bombastic, but Michael Savage is one of the few sane people in the media that speaks the Truth.
by Corgingus on May 10th, 2009
Why would they ban somebody who tells it like it is.
by JimmyG on May 10th, 2009
Well, I guess they're free to ban whomever they like. In Savage's case, it seems a bit silly.
Of the sixteen people on the Home Office's banned list, seven are American. They really don't like us much, do they.
by Jadey - Vive la difference on September 1st, 2009
I will go against the grain and say yes... it is rare that I agree with the awful woman that is Jacqui Smith but I quite agree with her commentry on the reasons behind the decision:
"I think it's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country...Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country".
She is right, coming to the UK is a privilege and - while I am a great believer in the free movement of people - if this free movement may result in a negative affect upon the country by breeding hatred, a hatred that is quite the opposite of the values of the country, then I do not support it in any but the most necessary of situations.
It's our country and if we want to ban a foreigner for entering due to his hateful attitude, then we can. Nobody is taking away his right to free speech, not in the slightest, but we are just upholding our right to decide who can and cannot enter our country.
by ChrisDC on September 1st, 2009
Absolutely not. The more time he spends in countries other than the United States, the higher our collective IQ and standard measures of sanity rise.
If Britain would let him in, THEY could prosecute him for being a hate spewing disgusting bigot.
Which would have been fun to watch but, on the other hand, I'm an American, he's an American and we have our free speech principles.
Which in my case stretches to protecting his right to express his opinion. His conception of free speech can be pretty accurately described as encouraging other people to burn a cross on my front yard.
He's a disgusting excuse for a human being, and he and the people who listen to him ought to be ashamed of themselves. But they have a Constitutionally protected right to be hateful morons.
by anonymous on September 1st, 2009
Guess all those immigrants who try to impose their culture, values, attitude should be banned. They are losers in their own country, go out for work to earn money, when their stomachs are filled to the throat they start barking like filthy street dogs.
by Nightwatchdog on September 1st, 2009
Well he is a crazy hatemonger - but Britain has a great many of those already - so what difference is one more going to make?
I think the ban is an overkill - but then again - there may be stuff about Savage that we don't know - he could have links with right wing extremist organizations which are banned in the UK..I'm sure there's more to this than meets the eye.
by JenniferRuth on May 12th, 2009
Probably not. The man clearly has an arsehole tight enough to cause him discomfort and make him sputter hateful screeds into poor American radio waves...but is this cause to ban him?
I'm not sure he is "inciting hatred" more than he is trying to make money out of people that buy into his bullshit. By putting him on this list, we have probably helped him out with that.
by jin jang on May 10th, 2009
He is quite a crazy man.Maybe they want the country to remain sane.
by Factotum on September 1st, 2009
Not sure what the English rules are for free speech but it was a bad decision - and has since been rescinded.
by BOOZE HOUND... nothing is nonsence on September 11th, 2009
no i dont but i think they had to because if they let him in they would proberly be contradicting the laws againt insiteing hate but i dont know enough about him to be sure.
by Seeya says Dont Ever Give Up on September 2nd, 2009
It's thier House, we should ban most of the people we allow into our house, we might have a safer cleaner house! Or wallet might gain weight! lol
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Thanks Tallyman.
by keithold is a prodigal bagger on May 10th, 2009
You are right, it isn't... There are restrictions on free speech if it is done to incite hate.
by Jadey - Vive la difference on September 1st, 2009
And if anybody could test the limits of even our American guarantee of free speech, Jadey, it's Michael Savage.
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Still, I'm glad that we let him speak his mind here in the United States. I disagree with him on just about everything, but letting him talk does give him lots of opportunity to show what a bigoted, hateful moron he is.
by ChrisDC on September 1st, 2009
Well, if he were British, he would not be prevented from speaking here. He would need to be actually inciting hate attacks or the sort to be punished for it. It is just that, while we respect the right to free speach abroad, and while we respect the right to free speech here for British people - the right to safety is seen as more important. I don't understand why some commentators here feel that Britain is in the wrong. I am sure if the boot was on the other foot, America wouldn't want such a person. America's civil rights apply to Americans. Clearly, they do not apply to foreigners as we have seen with Gitmo.
by Jadey - Vive la difference on September 2nd, 2009
Yep, that and Abu Ghraib is going to haunt us for years.
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Actually, the same free speech rights are supposed to apply to everyone in the United States. That's why the Bush Administration set Gitmo up at Gitmo -- it's leased from Cuba, and the Bush folks argued that it's not part of the United States and due process rights don't apply.
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They got away with that for a couple of years, but the courts finally came to their senses.
by ChrisDC on September 2nd, 2009
Yes, very good point... publically, offically, they apply to all, the reality is quite different.
by Jadey - Vive la difference on September 2nd, 2009
The left call anything that disagrees with them hate-speech.
Almost anything that is the Truth is labeled hate.
Anything against the state run media is labeled hate.
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A lame ploy, but it seems to fool the masses.
by Tallyman on September 2nd, 2009
No. People disagree with me all the time and I don't consider that hateful, and that includes people who oppose gay rights bills and gay marriage. I have friends who feel that way and, while I disagree with them, they don't have a hateful bone in their bodes.
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The far right (not the right, you understand -- the far right, like Michael Savage) are incapable of expressing disagreement in anything BUT hateful terms.
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For example, Savage said a few years ago that "I don't like a woman married to a woman. It makes me want to puke...I want to vomit when I hear it."
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Now, I think he has the right to say that (and in fact, I've defended his right to say it), but if you expect me to say that just because someone has a right to his opinion means that what he says cannot be hateful...well, I'm gay, but I am most definitely NOT stupid.
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Peddle your victimization BS somewhere else.
by ChrisDC on September 2nd, 2009
I do like some of what Michael Savage says. Sometimes even a LOT of what he says. But I have to say that just because I like some of his material, I DON'T feel obligated to like or believe ALL of it.
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He has the ability to connect the dots on some things that are very logically thought out and expressed. He also has the ability to spout rhetoric every bit as well as any liberal I've heard, too.
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As for Britain...well, that's a battle he's taken up for himself. We'll see how far it goes. Personally, I think the basis for his being banned are on quite shakey grounds. I guess if he takes the fight high enough, we'll see!
by The Chief on September 2nd, 2009
Thanks, Chief. Personally, I think that listening to people who always say exactly what I think is a complete waste of my time. You never learn anything that way.
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There's this guy on MSNBC, Ed Schultz -- I don't know if you've seen his show. He says a whole bunch of things with which I agree -- and provides such a flimsy or non-existent case to support those ideas that I start doubting them myself. Whenever I see him, I just think, "OK, your heart's in the right place, but your brain is six feet under."
by ChrisDC on September 2nd, 2009
Yep! Even truth and common sense look flimsey when you're talking...er..."out your *ss".
by The Chief on September 2nd, 2009
Tallyman... you may think that true of the U.S. (hate) but that is definitely not true of the UK actually it is very far from the truth. So that doesn't explain why his comments have been identified to be hateful and inciting hate from our perspective. The government may have dodgy reasons for not allowing him, but the reasons they have been open about thus far, British people agree with. So whether or not they were right or wrong - the British public, those who know of him, don't want him here from what I have seen.
by Jadey - Vive la difference on September 3rd, 2009