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Copying and pasting from a comment thread: Avatar Arisztid in a COAT of Romani awareness Apr, 29 2009 at 11:14 PM Ok, if God is all loving, all knowing, and omnipotent, why does He ALLOW atrocities like the Holocaust? That is sadism, not love. . Before you say that the Holocaust was free will of man, the "omnipotent" and "all knowing" part obliterates that because that means God knows of and could have stopped the Holocaust. . Before you say that Mankind are all sinners, what about the babies that were ripped from mother's arms or cut from their bellies and dashed against the wall or experimented upon, which was much worse? . Before you say that the Jews got a homeland from it and, thus, the Holocaust was worth it, my people (the Gypsies) suffered just as greatly in it, lost close to the same numbers (yes I have proof), and got nothing. Neither did any of the other victims but the Jews.

is this a question? or you trying to tell

Go down Hwy 2 through the second light and make a left at the windmills. You'll see a large barn on your right, don't go near that. Old man Jones will shoot you if you pull up. Go to the next barn and drive right in. Inside you'll meet Milly, she can help you.

Isn't it funny how just a bit of punctuation and/or maybe a slight rearrangement of the question would make your question a bit more manageable. [EDIT] Just so someone doesn't flag this as nonsense because it's non-responsive... Because He gave us "free will" to do what WE want, including whether or not to follow His advice, suggestions, and guidelines, and many people don't.

What the hell are you trying to say???????? Leave the atheists alone. People like you just make them hate Christians more & I'm not your kind of Christian so shut the f*** up, will you please.

God created a perfect world for us. We sinned and forever cursed it. We do bad things to ourselves because God gave us the free will to do so.

Ok I dont know verses of the bible yet and im not an expert but let me tell you what I do know. Anyone who is not sure if GOD exists does not believe yet because they have never felt the spirit flow through their body and have not experienced the intense peace and happyness that will overwhelm you. Go somewhere quiet and pray to GOD, thank him for all the good you have, ask for forgiveness for your sins, then close your eyes and ask him to fill you with his spirit, be patient and focus, praise him, then you will cry like an infant with happyness, your legs will be weak, you will be hit with such a strong feeling of exctasy that you wont be able to handle and then you will finally knows that he exists. Now how can you become strong and wise if you had an easy trouble free life? The more hurt and bad that you are put through the better!!!! If youve had alot of pain in your life than once to come to GOD you will transform into a very strong, happy, and wise person. GOD wants you to keep faith in him, its all just a test and times of training. Once youve been through your trials and are on GODS side he will then pick you up and turn your life around in so many good ways that our human brain cannot even begin to see the whole picture. Once you find GOD he will answere any question you have and will always be there when you need him. Im going to tell you 2 more things that are very important. If you try to control your life you will be drug down everytime, thats our own fault for not listening. When you let GOD take control and put your trust in him your whole life will change out of nowhere and good things will come that you never would have expected. The 2nd thing is that GOD says to never depend on any person for happyness. People will let you down and their love is always temporary remember that!!! GOD is the only one you need to feel happy and strong, he will strengthen you everyday as many times as you want. This is my first day typing in a forum online and I just want you to know that this is not my opinion, these are true things that you can see anytime you want :)

Ok I dont know verses of the bible yet and im not an expert but let me tell you what I do know. Anyone who is not sure if GOD exists does not believe yet because they have never felt the spirit flow through their body and have not experienced the intense peace and happyness that will overwhelm you. Go somewhere quiet and pray to GOD, thank him for all the good you have, ask for forgiveness for your sins, then close your eyes and ask him to fill you with his spirit, be patient and focus, praise him, then you will cry like an infant with happyness, your legs will be weak, you will be hit with such a strong feeling of exctasy that you wont be able to handle and then you will finally knows that he exists. Now how can you become strong and wise if you had an easy trouble free life? The more hurt and bad that you are put through the better!!!! If youve had alot of pain in your life than once to come to GOD you will transform into a very strong, happy, and wise person. GOD wants you to keep faith in him, its all just a test and times of training. Once youve been through your trials and are on GODS side he will then pick you up and turn your life around in so many good ways that our human brain cannot even begin to see the whole picture. Once you find GOD he will answere any question you have and will always be there when you need him. Im going to tell you 2 more things that are very important. If you try to control your life you will be drug down everytime, thats our own fault for not listening. When you let GOD take control and put your trust in him your whole life will change out of nowhere and good things will come that you never would have expected. The 2nd thing is that GOD says to never depend on any person for happyness. People will let you down and their love is always temporary remember that!!! GOD is the only one you need to feel happy and strong, he will strengthen you everyday as many times as you want. This is my first day typing in a forum online and I just want you to know that this is not my opinion, these are true things that you can see anytime you want :)

OK I know there will always be alot of questions but like I said im not an expert I just want to share some of my personal experiences with you. Ive had many things in my life happen that made sense once I opened my eyes and stopped being stubborn. I don't label myself like many do, I just know that GOD exists and my life has turn from many tragedies to pure success. In no way do I intend to make you believe what I say, I only wish to offer you another way of living your life. You dont have nothing more to lose by just trying as I did. I can promise you that once you feel GOD that your eyes will see everything different and things will make sense. Why choose to not believe or to live not knowing when all you have to do is try? Theres is no way I would waste my time making stuff up at 3 am when I have a busy life. We all could never agree on everything so theres no point to debate, just make sure your beliefs are what you really want, we only have one life to figure the answere out.

Why would you want to know the answeres to that already? Dont worry about what history says happened when the stories are changed into dif languages and told by many dif people, we can never know all the facts and reasons. The only thing important right now is you, and do you believe GOD exists? If not then life would be meaningless and we might as well just have fun and not care about anything else. Let me ask you this, if you could feel GOD anytime you called on him would you then believe? If not then what science is going to explain why everytime someone asks GOD for strength they are hit with an invisible force that makes you feel 100 times better than any man made drug could even do?

I did hear about the dyslexic agnostic atheist who kept wondering "If DOG EXISTS?" Grin..

I can't find the other similar question where I addressed this before, so let me paraphrase here. But first, let me punctuate this question somewhat, so that people will see what it is I'm trying to answer: "This is for anyone that wonders if God exists, and also for those of you that want to know: Why does he allow bad things to happen?" First of all, if you accept the precept as a Jew, Christian, or Muslim that God created the ENTIRE universe and all the living beings in it, then His conceptual abilities, as well as His practical abilities, are so far above us that it makes the differences between humans and bacteria look small by comparison. With that in mind, it would appear that our cognitive ability to comprehend WHY God would do, or NOT do, any given thing is somewhat more futile than bacteria trying to comprehend human motives and drives. But here is my own attempt at explaining (rationalizing?) WHY God would allow bad things to happen: Consider the role of parents. Ultimately, the purpose of a parent is to raise their child(ren) to adulthood, to the point where they are able to fully function and take care of themselves as a productive member of society WITHOUT someone else having to hold their hand and protect them the whole time. And as much as a parent would LIKE to protect their child(ren) from all possible harm and bad influences, there comes a time when they MUST allow them to experience these things, to some extent, in order to allow the child(ren) learn to cope with them, and the possible consequences of their actions. So you teach a kid to ride a toddler scooter, and from there they move onto a trike. From there they move onto a bicycle, perhaps with training wheels, and you walk/run alongside the bike as they learn how to balance themselves and steer, and to catch them when they fall, or stop them before they run off the street into a ditch. Eventually, the training wheels come off. But the time will come when you have to let them ride on their own, without you by their side, and they will have to deal with all aspects of riding a bike alone: how to do it, how not to crash into a tree, and so forth. And if they fall and skin a knee (or worse), then they deal with that and move one. A parent doesn't "allow" bad things to happen to their child(ren) in this case. This implies negligence or possibly a deliberate attempt to cause harm to the child(ren). A parent teaches the child, giving him all the training, experience, and knowledge they can in order to allow the child to operate independently and take care of themselves as they grow more responsible for their own actions. The fact that a child may have a bike accident and require some stitches to a knee does NOT mean the parent "allowed" it to happen through negligence or malisciousness. Personally, I believe the same may be said of God. "BUT," you say, "God allows people to die, even little babies!" Well, let's put THAT into perspective, as well: According to Judaeo-Christian (and Muslim) theology, ya can't get into Heaven (or Hell) without DYING. And as bad as WE think dying is, compared to skinning a knee in a bike accident, in order to put life and death into perspective look at it this way: As the Creator of the universe, and ALL LIFE within it, then perhaps life (or rather, the loss of that life and the suffering a person might go through) is really no more to God than skinning a knee is to us. WE think pain, suffering, and death are horrible things. And indeed, to us they are. But perhaps, if God really exists and He did create everything, we don't really have the full picture. Or even the capability to comprehend more than a tiny bit of it, in our own human fashion. Regardless of your personal beliefs, whether you are Christian, Atheist, Taoist, or whatever; pain, suffering and death are a PART of life. You can't avoid it. Blaming someone else, whether it be a god, other humans, or the evolutionary process, is by definition an exercise in futility, because we cannot do anything about it, regardless. If it's a god, He's omnipotent and we can't do anything by comparision, nor understand all His reasonings. If it's NOT a god, then it's an impartial universal process like evolution, which isn't even a sentient being and therefore cannot be blamed because there is not intelligent driving force behind it. All you can do is what we humans REALLY excel at: arguing about things, ideologies, and matters which we are powerless to do anything about in the first place. How 'bout we just concentrate on making the most of what short life we have on this Earth, and try to make it just a little bit better for others in the process?

Gee what a coincidence. I've got a website too: http://godisimaginary.com/ Bad things happen because God Doesn't Exist.

I appreciate your obvious sincerity. You obviously feel that you have something good to share. To me, that is commendable. Thank you, and don't get discouraged.