by jibberjabbers on February 26th, 2009

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  • by nucleotideboy on March 1st, 2009

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    All armies are capable of war crimes. If this is what it seems, and I don't claim that a youtube video can possibly make that certain, then it is a war crime. And those responsible should be held to account. But just as with all armies (including the Palestinians, British, US and whatever) they probably won't be.

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  • by Moongrim on March 1st, 2009

    Moongrim

    If the Palestinians stopped attacking israel, they'd get their land back.

    Egypt got the Sinai peninsula back, after they decided to leave Israel in peace.

    You'd think that such an example wouldn't be lost on the Gazans.

    But the cowardly palestinians have no humility.

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  • by FairLady on March 3rd, 2009

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    IDF is the most humane in the world.
    I saw many videos to prove it. You have one video and you want to prove the opposite?

    Well, it's your right. I have my own opinion- IDF IS THE MOST HUMANE IN THE WORLD.

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  • by Moonchaser on March 1st, 2009

    Moonchaser

    For sure this is a very difficult siuation to be in. I do not have any answers. I wish everyone could get along, but in this strange world - it does not seem possible. I feel bad for whole region.

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  • I can't tell who is shooting at whom in the video, or if the action is genuine or staged.

    What we do know is that the U.S. provides $billions in unconditional support to Israel, in cash and advanced armament. Our support seems to be based on the presumption that all military actions by Israel are "defensive." Even the most gullible among us have trouble swallowing that. Without U.S. support, Israel would be unable to mount preemptive attacks on its neighbors. This would insure that Israel's military strikes really would be defensive. One problem solved.

    The profound loathing and hatred of the Muslim world toward the United States has always had its roots in America’s unconditional support for Israel. But is our undying, unconditional support for Israel really worth encouraging more terrorist attacks against the U.S.? If the U.S. supported BOTH Israel AND Arab countries, at more equitable levels, it's conceivable that we might reduce if not eliminate anti-American terrorist attacks. Another problem solved.

    There is apparently nothing Israel can do that will cause the U.S. to withdraw or reduce its unconditional support. On June 8, 1967 Israel's IDF attacked and destroyed the clearly-marked and flagged USS Liberty, an intelligence-gathering ship, in international waters. The incident was quickly excused as a "mistake" by Israel, a claim contradicted by the statements of SECDEF Clark Clifford, CIA Director Richard Helms, CNO Thomas Moorer, and the surviving crew members of the USS Liberty.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

    @hypocrite
    >>Israelis commit vile acts to Palestinians and Palestinians commit vile acts towards Israelis.<<

    To use your own words, this comment In no way sheds new light on the subject. It implies that if Israel and its Arab neighbors are all guilty of violence against one another, then everything is balanced and there is no point in further discussion. This amounts to a contemptuous dismissal of an ongoing problem.

    Also:
    >>Just because Hamas and other organizations are not as successful at killing Israelis as vice verse does not make them any less evil [sic].<<

    Are you seriously trying to judge those involved in the conflicts according to who (in your opinion), is more (or less) "evil" than the others? "Evil" is a term used by children and religious innocents, to reduce complex problems to a simple good-bad, binary level. It is not a useful term in international relations. We might say that the term evil "in no way sheds new light on the subject."

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  • I can't tell who is shooting at whom in the video, or if the action is genuine or staged.

    What we do know is that the U.S. provides $billions in unconditional support to Israel, in cash and advanced armament. Our support seems to be based on the presumption that all military actions by Israel are defensive. Even the most gullible among us have trouble swallowing that. Without U.S. support, Israel would be unable to mount preemptive attacks on its neighbors. One problem solved.

    The profound loathing and hatred of the Muslim world toward the United States has always had its roots in America’s unconditional support for Israel. Is our undying, unconditional support for Israel really worth encouraging more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil? The U.S. should support BOTH Israel AND Arab countries, at more balanced levels. Another problem solved.

    There is apparently nothing Israel can do that would cause the U.S. to withdraw or reduce its unconditional support. In 1967 Israel's IDF attacked and destroyed the clearly-marked and flagged USS Liberty, in international waters. The incident was quickly excused as a mistake by Israel, a claim contradicted by the statements of SECDEF Clark Clifford, CIA Director Richard Helms, CNO Thomas Moorer, and the surviving crew members of the USS Liberty.

    @hypocrite
    >>Israelis commit vile acts to Palestinians and Palestinians commit vile acts towards Israelis.<<

    This comment In no way sheds new light on the subject. It implies that if Israel and its Arab neighbors are both guilty of violence, then there is no point in talking about it. The comment amounts to a contemptuous dismissal of the problems.

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