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by bagicide stayed 10 months too long on December 16th, 2008
I think Gamera has it right. There is a difference between murder and war. There is a difference between murder and self defense. And there is a difference between murder and punishment for a crime.
Murder is the cold blooded killing of an innocent person. That doesn't mean that any killing is undertaken lightly. No sane person wants to see another person die. I just got off another question about serial killers. There is a difference in executing Ted Bundy to make sure he could never harm another person (and 19 year old petty thieves and prison guards are people too) and cold bloodedly killing an innocent girl, as Bundy did. And if you think about it and learn some of the history behind it, I bet you can see the differences in what God commanded Moses to do too.
by Twisted Taco on December 16th, 2008
You're not seriously trying to understand a book that was written centuries ago by a whole bunch of controlling camel herders, are you?
by Gamera on December 15th, 2008
A more accurate translation is "Thou shall not murder." Not all killing constitutes murder.
by Aero the lifeguard on December 16th, 2008
Yes, It does seem very hypocritical, but I don't listen to story books anyway.
by Suby the Coat on December 16th, 2008
My knowledge on the topic is limited to my watching the movie 'Ten Commandments' several times over.
I find in the movie whatever killing was done was with a good purpose.
A little inconsistencies here and there - pardonable in my humble opinion.
by capstone on January 10th, 2009
Remember that God is above his commandments. He is not bound to them because they are commandments for humans, not for him. Also remember that the most important thing for a person to do is OBEY God. If God asks a person to do something, then that person should do that.
There are numerous examples in the Bible where God told people to kill someone or told people to conceal the truth in order to fulfill his purposes. In fact, when Saul, King of Israel, REFUSED to kill the king that God had commanded him to kill, it was a great offense that cost Saul and his descendants the throne. The offense here was DISOBEDIENCE.
This being said, I do agree with those who say there is a distinction between killing someone and murdering someone.
So don't think that there is an inherent contradiction when God says "do not murder," but then asks people to kill someone else. There isn't.
by thatsJustme on January 9th, 2009
"murder"....on the journey to the Promised Land...have u ever realized how many of the Israelites God HIMSELF destroyed in those 40 yrs. wandering ...for their sinful ways and with due warning?
HE told many times to destroy women and children of the heathen(idol worshipping) cause the children would follow the same as their raising...idol worship...
by Praetorian on January 30th, 2009
Moses will answer for whatever Moses did and you'll answer for whatever you do. Don't get so caught up worrying about Moses you forget your own sin. Jesus spoke of "straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel". Take heed.
by Bella on January 10th, 2009
I think you're onto something there.
by palmagma on November 1st, 2009
Many exceptions are recorded to the "thou shalt not kill/muder" command:
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Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
contains some of God's most controversial Laws,
including the command to kill (stone to death) anyone
with religious beliefs that are different from yours.
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(Deuteronomy 22: 13-21)
Believe it or not, this section explains that
if you hate your wife, you can try getting rid of her
by saying that she wasn't a virgin when you married her.
If her father cannot produce her “tokens of virginity”
(e.g. bloody bedsheets)
she can then be stoned to death on her father's doorstep.
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For more of the same, go to:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
but be warned, some of this is very hard to take.
by thatsJustme on January 30th, 2009
the Commandment was "murder"...yes, Moses killed the one that was beating his people....GOD killed, HIMSELF, a lot of the "innocents" in many of the non believers(heathens) minds..."weeding" out so to speak...their complaining and non belief was the reason for making them wander in the 1st place....see, u have to understand, the enslavement of the Israelites and the wandering , etc..was their faults in the 1st place....they brought on their own punishments because of lack of faith and disobediance.......Israel got to the point of having no Shame for their disobediance...couldn't see where they had anything to be ashamed of.."What have I done"
GOD can do as HE WANTS.....and HE did and HE does....and HE will, but HE has no use for heathens and disobediant and FAITHLESS...
HE will kill or put an end to many on Judgement Day, do u not see, because we may think "that was a good person" does not mean God does....and thats all that matters..
as HE told Miriam and Asron...who are u and how dare u Question MY AUTHORITY...they got the picture...
by American Spirit on January 22nd, 2009
The Old Testament god truly fits our current definition of terrorist.
by Titan on January 22nd, 2009
"thou shalt not Kill" mean no killing in any form not just murder. Only God has the power to take lives. I don't think it does matter whether he ordered or not. Most importantly, God just forbid one human to kill another human without his permission.
by Anon on January 22nd, 2009
God is bipolar :)
by Marconi on January 22nd, 2009
There is no God.
Get over it!
by autumn leaves on January 16th, 2009
God for the most part used moses as the mediator of the mosaic law. maybe you are referring to the time of the judges of israel when they were to drive away certain nations from the promised land? many, criticize Jehovah God thinking he was very harsh. first of all he being creator of the earth, has the right to determine who can and who cannot inhabit certain parts of the planet. he had promised abraham that his seed would be blessed and come into an inheritance, many centuries before. by the time the israelites were in position to take the promised land, it was being inhabited by different nations. history books attest to the fact that these inhabitants were very hostile, warring nations. they worshipped gods that also demanded human sacrifices. so it wasn't just that these nations were in property reserved for God's people. these nations were not only enemies of the true God and his nation of israel, they had detestable practices and for this they were driven away. the bible gives and example of one country that acknowledged and respected the true God and his laws and for this they were spared, and allowed to continue living.
by Gone. on December 16th, 2008
Didn't he do all the killing before God said thou shalt not??? So it's ok cos God let him do it before he made it a commandment not to do it.
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Deuteronomy 13:6-19)
contains God's command to kill (stone to death) anyone
with religious beliefs that are different from yours.
by palmagma on November 1st, 2009
Correction - that was Deuteronomy 13:6-10
and it does not specify how the killing should be done:
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"If thy brother ... or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods ... Thou shalt not consent unto him ... neither shall thine eye pity him ... But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."
by palmagma on November 1st, 2009
Correction again - it does indeed recommend stoning to death.
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Deuteronomy 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones,
that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away
from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the
land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
by palmagma on November 1st, 2009
Now lets tell the rest of the story. The particular religion that surrounded Israel at that time and place involved the sacrifice of children. I don't blame God at all for wanting to put an end to a religion that involved killing children, nor for wanting to stone adults who would follow that religion.
by bagicide stayed 10 months too long on November 1st, 2009