by giacomo on April 7th, 2004

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Did Joseph Smith engage in a sexual relationship with a 14 year-old girl?

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  • by Anonymous on April 9th, 2004

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      It's interesting the lengths to which some will go to find a scandal where none exists, isn't it?

      In our present culture, we don't consider someone ready for marriage until at least the age of 18, and preferably at least some time into the early to mid twenties.  But it hasn't been very long at all since it was common for people to marry much younger than this.  For example, the famous country singer, Loretta Lynn, married at the age of 13 or 14.  Another famous singer, Jerry Lee Lewis, married his first wife when she was 13; this became something of a scandal, not because of her age, but because she was his cousin.  You needn't go back very many generations to get to a time when marriage at such ages was quite common.

      Consider the Jewish tradition of the Bar Mitzvah.  This event represents the transition from boyhood to manhood, and takes place at the age of thirteen years.  Historically, it marked the point where a boy became a man, ready to take on all the priveleges and responsibilities of adulthood — including marriage.

      I guess it's easy — if disingenuous — to examine the life of any historical figure, and find something that he did, which was regarded as entirely normal and proper in his time and/or culture, but not in our time and/or culture; and to condemn him for it.  It obviously goes along with this tactic to say someone did “engage in a sexual relationship” and not mention that this sexual relationship took place properly within a lawful marriage — falsely implying that it did not — in order to amplify the manufactured scandal.

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    • Well said.

      AB-Joel

      by AB-Joel on April 9th, 2004

    • O.K., Juliet was 14--but Romeo was 16. It was not the norm for grown men to have secret (unlawful) marriages to 14 y, o.s.

      giacomo

      by giacomo on April 9th, 2004

    • Perverts always have a rational explanation.

      M K

      by M K on April 9th, 2004

    • Good information, but doesn't answer the question.

      Kim Siever

      by Kim Siever on April 9th, 2004

    • Excellent background info., well done & thorough, but original question was not answered.

    • MK: Perversion means "unusual" and young marriage was the NORM then

      Anonymous

      by Anonymous on October 18th, 2005

    • It's not okay to make a movie depicting rape,but it is okay for your leader to rape a 14 year old girl for real! Hypocrite!!!

      HungryGuy

      by HungryGuy on October 26th, 2005

    • Child predators are everywhere in history and in the present. Read about Mormon sects in Utah and Canada.

      Alatea

      by Alatea on November 20th, 2005

    • If Smith was already married, how could the marriage to the 14 year old have been 'lawful'?

      yoho05 reminds you to DYOH

      by yoho05 reminds you to DYOH on February 6th, 2006

    • My 22 yr old grt grt grandfather married my 14 yr old grt grt grandmother this was not out of the norm

      innoway

      by innoway on February 25th, 2006

    • Again, "Nonsense!" This claim simply does NOT hold up under the scrutiny of historical evidence. Please refer to the graph attached to my Answer for specifics.

    • your graph only shows that it was not common, not that it was unacceptable, that is two different thing besides the fact that marrages were under reproted during smiths time.

      Does it matter?

      by Does it matter? on January 23rd, 2009

    • Your logic is flawed. What is "common" in society reflects what is "acceptable". And please don't post anonymously -- it's rather cowardly and "red flags" the credibility of your assertion before it's even posted.

    • its not common for someone to jog to work but it is compleatly acceptable. also whats up with the ad hominum attack seems like i remember you harping on someone else for that, dont be a hypacrite

      Does it matter?

      by Does it matter? on January 24th, 2009

    • Still anonymous? Amazing. I have nothing more to say until you take on form and substance and stop hiding.

    • Definition: "Ad hominem argument is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem as abusive, sexist, racist, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (personal attack) in an attempt to discredit the argument. It is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons, the opponent disagrees with it."

      "jeepguy87" y comment was not an Ad-Hominem since I was pointing out flawed logic in the poster's comments as well as the cowardly tactic of hidiing behind an "Anonymous" alias - however your comment was.

      Now can we please get back to discussing the Original Premise of the question?
      Thanks.

    • Oh Mister you're so silly.

      PrestorJohn

      by PrestorJohn on January 20th, 2012

    • And you're pathetic (starting at 1:42)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4UdK0lBafM

    • Fushta!

    • Oh my gosh! Nice quote and reference.

      PrestorJohn

      by PrestorJohn on January 21st, 2012

    • Appaloosa!

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