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by randomness - is now a Maestro on March 8th, 2008
Why does my former Baptist church allow women to rule? What happened to the "balls" of the Deacons, Pastors, etc.? (See verses)
by SELENIUM_TEST_83335 on November 3rd, 2010
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Why did Jesus not fight the devil at temptation
by Johnny777 on December 21st, 2011
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"The Baptist experience of knowing Jesus, in a solitary and renewable encounter, takes priority over public worship, doctrine, or acts of charity." (Harold Bloom, "The American Religion" p. 205) Thoughts?
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 29th, 2009
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"6. The social axiom: Love your neighbor as yourself." (E.Y. Mullins, "The Axioms of American Religion") Thoughts?
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 29th, 2009
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Are there any Baptists that accept evolution?
by brendanmcclelland on July 15th, 2011
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You do have a point, but why move to a Christian nation if you don't want to hear, see, speak of, or come into contact with Christians? I would not willingly move to Iran, or India, or China, those are different people, not like me, and I like living with my own. It's their choice to come to OUR country. I have nothing personal against them, and I'm sure there are many great people there, but I love the USA.
by wfbrad on August 16th, 2008
America is not a christian nation. Granted, it's residents are predominantly christian, but America was not founded as a christian nation, and it can be argued that having under god in the pledge is unconstitutional.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on October 27th, 2008
America was founded by men who believed in a higher power that they called God, so yes I would think that it is a Christian nation! This is a section from our Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."
by KellySou on December 7th, 2008
I thought the settlers set out in search of religious freedom...I could be wrong; I've been before!
by BROADWAYTHECAT on December 20th, 2008
Yeah, they were searching for freedoms regarding religion, but SHHHHH.... no one wants to remember that now, its inconvenient.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on December 22nd, 2008
im with u KellySou....expats know that when they come here.....i thank God every day we still have freedom to worship HIM in America.....one day we wont....Bible says so....Christians will worship behind closed doors, like it is in many other countries still today...it is Coming....
by thatsJustme on January 8th, 2009
The Treaty of Tripoli, Ratified by Congress and signed by President John Adams, clearly spells out that the United States was NOT a Christian Nation, nor was it founded as a Christian nation.
Art. 11.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on January 8th, 2009
Bear, please, just take another hit off your crack pipe, and relax. An obscure treaty entered into with mohammadans, does not change the fact that you are wrong. The treaty was worded that way in order to appease the muslims, and so they would sign it. It was an early attempt at appeasement, and we see where it led today don't we? Appeasement does not work with Muslims.
If you want to live in a secular country, might I respectfully suggest France. Maybe they would choose you over the Muslims they cannot appease there. If you like Sharia Law, try Iran. Heck you could get famous, and be the next Johnnie Jihad!
by wfbrad on January 8th, 2009
LOL... Denial, it's not just for breakfast.
by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on January 8th, 2009
hahaha wow...
barb and wfbrad, thankyou for the lols.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on January 16th, 2009
I wouldn't be happy saying it if it included Allah or Satan. I just wouldn't do it.
by Randoley on May 10th, 2009
Exactly! So you can understand why people who aren't Christians are uncomfortable swearing allegiance to a god they do not believe in!
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 10th, 2009
What I meant was if you don't like it don't do it. Any way the Pledge of allegiance isn't pledging to God it is pledging to America, Just don't say the under God part if you don't like it.
by Randoley on May 10th, 2009
I know you don't have to do it, people should be able to have a pledge that they can say regardless of their faith. I know it is pledging allegiance to the US, but in saying that the US is a nation under god, I feel as if it would be like pledging to that particular god also. just my opinion though.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 10th, 2009
Then, I say again, don't say, "under God".
by Randoley on May 11th, 2009
I know that you can choose not to say under god, I already said that. However, I don't think that you should have to opt out of part of the pledge. The pledge of allegiance should be religion-free, so that people can say the whole thing if they wish. How must it feel for US citizens who love their country to have to chop and change the pledge? It should be reverted to it's original form, god-free.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 11th, 2009
I don't say it at all. I don't believe it is Biblical to make pledges to man made institutions. I only pledge to God. On the other hand the majority of the nation believes in God, so I don't think it is right to change things to please the minority. That would be stepping on people's freedom of religion.
by Randoley on May 11th, 2009
Okay, so why was it changed before? I don't think it should have been changed as it violates the constitution. The majority of people in the US are white, should we change the pledge to say the united states of caucasian america? Why not? I mean, we shouldn't look out for minorities, right? That would be stepping on freedoms!! And after all, it isn't a democracy without tyranny of the majority, that wouldn't be any fun at all for the White, middle class, christian folks out there.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 11th, 2009
How did changing it to "under God" violate the constitution? Don't use the "separation of church and state" argument, because that is not in the constitution.
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I'm not talking about discrimination, like you implied. I do not think the pledge discriminates because you don't have to say it.
by Randoley on May 11th, 2009
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Also, in the Supreme court it has been ruled that the founders meant for separation of church and state. Everson v. Board of Education, 1947.
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Also, people could just opt out of the 'caucasian' part. Then it would be completely fair, right?
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 11th, 2009
What about our money or "endowed by creator" or every buildind in DC which is covered from top to bottom with references to God? We could stimulate the economy by hiring construction companies and brick masons to rebuild all of DC. Would that work?
by Randoley on May 11th, 2009
They don't need to rebuild it, only the blatant, biased christian references should be removed. That would be one way to stimulate the economy I suppose, if you want to think of it that way.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 11th, 2009
well, we will see how well the "christian fund" does not since the took "christian " off the name of the fund. i have had over a hundred donors say already ,"well thats it from me!!".:)
by thatsJustme on May 12th, 2009
I've heard that too.
by Randoley on May 12th, 2009
Err JUSTME, I am not entirely sure I understand what you are trying to say... how can a fund does not? Could you perhaps rephrase?
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 13th, 2009
It takes a while to learn how to translate JUSTME
by Randoley on May 13th, 2009
apparently so.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 13th, 2009
sorry, guys...the Christian fund has taken Christian OFF its title because it "offended" the non -christian ....not "politically correct"... we just need to see how well it does now since the "blatantly, biased,Christian reference " has been removed.....who will stimulate the "welfare " of these people now....hopefully the non Christian will put their money "where their mouth is":) comprande????
by thatsJustme on May 13th, 2009
I got it, I've learned to translate.
by Randoley on May 13th, 2009
I hadn't even heard of a "christian fund", but if there was a fund locally that was for a cause I thought worthy, and it was not labeled with any religion, sure I would donate, if that is what you're asking...
But I don't really have an issue with a fund or charity having a religious label or reference, as long as it is not something compulsory, or government affiliated. Anything government run or sponsored should be completely secular. An independently run charity, building, or anything else can have as many theistic references stamped over it as the owners please.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 14th, 2009
This is what the fund is. They have decided to take Christian out of the name so not to offend anyone. It has made a lot of people angry.
http://www.ucf.net/
by Randoley on May 14th, 2009
Well, I can see why people are annoyed. If it is a privately run thing, then the owners can have it as religiously-themed as they want. If people are offended, they don't have to donate.
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 14th, 2009
true, and they won't ....the relief efforts of these peoples will be sorely hurt, they will suffer now because of anti-christ behaviors.....CHRISTIAN in the TITLE was much sought after.....trying to appease the unGodly....its the prophesy being fullfilled...man is, faster than ever in history, LEAVING GOD OUT...turning their backs...HE IS GONNA TURN HIS TOO!!! i'm out of here....this conversation is useless and inane.....:)
by thatsJustme on May 14th, 2009
Okay, have fun continuing to leave conversations when they get too difficult for you *waves*
by randomness - is now a Maestro on May 14th, 2009
The Creator can be Pan Gu, Izanami and Izanagi, Brahma, Marduk or the Deist Creator favored by George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, etc. God is not in the US Constitution. George Washington did not allow him to be. randoley shows us he knows little of real history by repeating hoaxes Christians invented.
by Hung Sin-Laan on August 9th, 2011
What hoaxes? Can you site them and prove them wrong? I'll wait.
by Randoley on August 9th, 2011
That takes time, but it can be done. You show us you only read the Christian rewriting of the history of the US that is a set of hoaxes. I have given some facts in my answers. A motion to mention Jesus in the Declaration of Independence was rejected by the majority present. George Washington forbid God, Jesus or Christianity to be in the Constitution. The Creator mentioned is the Deist one that created the universe and takes no further part in it. If the Creator was God, his name would be mentioned in it. George Washington and John Adams agreed with the Treaty of Tripoli that said the US government was not founded in any manner upon Christianity. President Adams approved it. Thomas Jefferson forbid the Bible to be taught in public schools in Virginia. The first US money has "E Plurubus Unum" on it, not "In God WE Trust" that was not on all money until 1956, but it did appear on some coins during the Civil War. What tyrants some Christians are.
by Hung Sin-Laan on August 9th, 2011
Now, take any of my comments in this thread and point out any hoaxes I have said. I have not quoted any history or argued it, but I will now.
GEORGE WASHINGTON
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
JOHN ADAMS
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"
It is true that they did not put Jesus God or Christianity in the Constitution. but the founders of our nation were very devout Christian men and they formed our nation on the God of the Bible. They left a country with horrible religious persecution. They were very careful not to include that sort of thing in out founding documents,but the founders of our nation were very devout Christian men and they formed our nation on the God of the Bible. In other quotes and writings John Adams and the others say, "The Almighty", "The Supreme Being", and "The Creator" God has many names and is called many names even in his own Bible. When the Founders mention the Creator, it is obviously the God of the Bible.
by Randoley on August 9th, 2011
Here we go with some cherry picking to try to make Deists and atheists seem to be Christians. Geroge Washington and John Adams were Deists, not Christians, and Thomas Jefferson became an atheist. The creator to them was the deist one who createdd the universe and withdrew from it. That is quite differnet from the Christian one thta meddeles in it constantly. randloey is badly misinformed and need to study some real history, not the false one Christians invented.
by Hung Sin-Laan on August 15th, 2011
Can you supply facts and quotes to back up your version of history? I can with out any problems. I already have.
by Randoley on August 15th, 2011