animals do not have the ability to reason or now right from wrong, there is no comparison

Hi, There is actually a very good answer to your question. However I hesitate to give it due to not knowing your background ie. What you believe and where you are in life. Thanks for pondering though VisitororGuest@yahoo.com

Many christians beleive that what is in our nature to do wrong and that we are born into sin (just by existing, we are sinning). Also, despite the overwhelming evedince, there will always be "scientists" and papers that indicate the finding are false. Many christians however, do recognise that people are born gay and that homosexuality exists not just in humans and do not beleive homosexuality in itself is a sin. There are many Gay Christian groups as well.

its animal nature!

Christians believe that something isn't moral souly because it's natural. For example, Christians believe murdering somebody is wrong, but killing is natural (as animals do it too). Now I realize homosexuality and killing are on opposite sides of the spectrum, but you get the idea.

homosexual animals? give me some examples.

liberal and moderate christians for the most part do not view homosexuality as a sin, mainly because we do not believe God makes mistakes. to see the differnt christian viewpoints concerning homosexuality go here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/homosexu.htm

Maybe because animals are of a different species and humans dont/should not live like animals.. By the way.. What animals participate in homosexuality? I never heard this before.

Is not so much that Christian view it as a sin, According to the Bible, God does. From Christian perspective, God does not condone any behavior that does not yield life. If homosexuality is ordained by God, then it should yield life. However – in the homosexual relationship, the end is in it self, it has no means of propagating life like heterosexuality does. In addition, there is a number of the scripture implicitly stating that the homosexuality is sin in the Old and New Testament. If God changed His mind about it, He would probably have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, because the “sodomy” was the principal reason they were wiped out. Just so some would not feel that I feel pretty righteous because I am not homosexual, I would love some scripture to “disappear” from the Bible, because directly convict my status as far as sin is concerned. I have to live with my conscience and deal with my issues, and bear “my cross” just the same, trying to interpred God's will according to my faith He has given me.

Just because it is a natural occurrance does not mean it cannot be considered a 'sin'. Mating with multiple partners is natural. Taking revenge is natural. Stealing, lying and killing to gain advantage are natural... Christians view it as sin primarily because they believe god (via the bible) states it as a sin. They believe god created the world and us, created rules that we should live by for our own good (as being creator, he knows best), and that breaking those rules is against god and therefore a sin. As to "why would god make it a sin" - that's open for debate as no-one really knows the mind of god...

Because it's in the Bible. That's it. Christians believe what's in the good book whether nature or reason supports it or not. I do not agree, but I understand that if they want to follow God in that way, by the book and to the letter, then they don't have much choice but to see it as wrong.

Nature and natural can only be determined by God because he created everything and everyone. We have the Bible which is God's word that establishes his standards for all his creation. Because things occur that are contrary to God's purpose doesn't make them right.

Christains view homosexuality as sin because God says it is. God says it is "abomination" and is under the sin of adultery, in the ten commandments. Of course breaking one commandment breaks them all, as shown in another place in the bible, like saying it's ok to practice it = a lie, and breaks the commandment of not lying, ....and so on. An occurance in "nature" and "natural" are not the same. Animals kill other animals, which is an occurance in nature, and natural - to them, but was not always this way. Sucking slime is natural for some critters, but humans?(maybe some?) Black widows kill the male after mating. Of course with little effort one can find many more examples of natural occurances that humans dont practice. Why? .... Sin is also a natural occurance in this world, Jesus came to break us from the bondage of sin and free us with the truth. He says, all who love the truth listen to him, and he was God in the flesh.= all who love hte truth , listen to God. Every one who sins (which includes homosexuality), disobeys what God said. Observe nature - males and females fit together.:) Do to bolts form a bond? Can to 2 nuts fit together? But a nut and a bolt fit - they are refered to as a male and a female connection. That is right, not "a right" or , his or her "right" , it is what IS right. right?

Just because it's "natural" doesn't mean it's not a sin. The Bible refers many times to man's sin nature - sin IS natural. The only difference is that it's not sin for animals, just for humans.

Here's my answer to a very similar question: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/784941 Copied below. Because philosophers and theists who wrote that homosexuality defied nature weren't biologists. Many of them were acting in reaction to other cultures around at the time they wrote, cultures which they thought didn't or shouldn't have a right to power and whose cultural norms were redefined by these theists as sinful to back up their own group's legitimacy. The theological scripts that were written cannot be rescinded by submitting new evidence - as the writers are dead and these texts are seen as infallable or deity-given. Hence the myth that homosexuality is against nature persists.

As a Christian, I can honestly state that I have no problem with homosexuals (I do have family members and friends.) I DO consider their life style to be sinful, but will not judge them. I leave that to our Abba Father in Heaven. The reason that I consider homosexuality to be sinful is because it is plainly stated in the Holy Bible more than once. One example is 1 Corinthians 6:9-20 NIV which states- "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Sexual Immorality "Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body." I don't see how this can be interpreted any other way. 'Nor homosexual offenders...will inherent the kingdom of God.' In His service, <:))))<>< "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21

Some animals eat their young as well, do this mean that it is OK for humans to do the same???

Many things happen in nature that are not proper to replicate. I would never eat my own poop, or vomit, I would never lick my own butt or crotch clean, I would never eat a porcupine quills and all. Animals are pretty dumb. If you're taking life lessons and morality lessons from animals, there's a problem. Pro-creation cannot occur with same-sex partners therefore according to your own belief system of 'Natural Selection' the homosexual population cannot propogate naturally. It is therefore logical to conclude that it is not genetic. Therefore if you continue to assume that people are born that way, it would have to be considered a birth defect. I doubt very much that the homosexual population would want to consider themselves birth defects, therefore the only conclusion to draw next is a lifestyle. Lifestyles can be effected from childhood influences, abuse, exposure to pornography at a young age, influence by friends who live the lifestyle. Also in nature mounting another male is a sign of dominance to shame the male into submission, treating him as if he was a female to be dominated. There are also mating seasons where animals hump anything walking. Animals also mate with their siblings, you going to tell me that incest is ok because animals do it?

what is most interesting is the part of the bible that says "man shall not lie with man" is also the part of the bible that tells christians what foods are kosher. I wonder how many christians who believe being gay is wrong also eat pork.

Homosexuality in and of itself is not considered sinful (by an intelligent and educated Christian). It is the act of homosexuality that is forbidden. That act has been construed as sinful over the ages because of half a dozen references in the Bible, usually taken out of context and applied incorrectly. An academic approach to the Bible indicates that the prohibition of homosexual acts (with one exception confined to males in the Bible) had more to do with ritual cleanliness and the maintenance of gender superiority among males. A homosexual act was considered 'Toevah' (the spelling varies), translated as an abomination, not a sin; it made a person ritually unclean, just as did making love with a woman during mentruation, yet that is not considered a sin among Christians today. Personally, I've always found the concept of sin rather odd, precisely because it seems a contrast to the laws of nature. I believe much more stongly in the law of natural consequences. Act well and good acts come to you; accept all and be accepted; care for others and be cared for.

Christians routinely pick and chose which parts of the bible to believe in. When they can tell me which foreign nationals it is okay to own as slaves, and how to politely find out if a women is menstruating, I will gladly listen to their arguments about homosexuality.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070521/od_afp/britainanimalsgay

religious apart, how do you enjoy mating with persons of thesame sex as you. i'm not a christian, but i dont think i need any book, holy or not holy to tell it's not right.

Because animals dont know any better.They dont have the understanding of right or wrong.

I have read the bible..you really need to do the same..but also make sure you understand what the original hebrew, greek or latin word was, the english translations do not always follow what the word meant when it was originally written. You have chosen to asign bigotry to God..and to make him a God of Hate instead of love. Now you can claim the opposite and you probably even believe it..but the message your are preaching is one of hate..and my God is not that hatefilled bigot that you preach about...He is one of love for all he created..including Homosexuals. How dare you say God made a mistake. God makes no mistakes..including creating some people and animals homosexual.

You are a much more sophisticated soul than an animal. Christians follow what the Bible says... Romans 1:24-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-11 and Leviticus 20:13 for some examples why Christians find homosexuality a sin. I stick firmly to FREE WILL. I, personally, can not judge. It is not my place to judge those who have different life styles than I do.

Remove your blinkers. Many religions and cultures have a similar view of homosexuality. Just be pleased that Christianity condemns homosexual ACTS and not homosexuality itself.

They use their book to justify their inner hatreds.

Aren’t you confusing the exception with the rule? Tigers are striped as a rule but you might find the odd exception to this rule. You cannot say after seeing one non-striped tiger (or even several brought together) that it is natural for tigers not to have stripes. The rule defines what is normal the exception doesn’t.

because the christians are closeminded, and let a 1000 year old storybook run their lives like good little sheep.

Because they're idiots darling. Excellent observation. +

Christians can view anything as a sin, natural or otherwise. It's a matter of opinion, essentially. However, mainstream Christianity does not hold that if something occurs in nature, it is not sinful. The idea of sinless nature is a relatively modern conceit -- and a very naive one. All sorts of bad things happen in nature. Rape, murder, revenge killings, theft, prostitution, etc. So if it occurs in nature, that does not tell you anything about whether or not it is a sin. (Indeed, in medieval Christian thought, finding something in nature was often a mark against it, thanks to the ancient Greek concept of a fundamentally imperfect world versus a fundamentally perfect heaven.) In modern Christian thought, sin is what happens when we disrespect one another, and/or succumb to temptation. Temptation is very natural indeed; that is why it is so powerful. So, if you think you have a clever argument to get Christians/Muslims/Jews/etc to admit that homosexuality shouldn't be a sin, you're barking up the wrong tree. That argument doesn't even address the doctrinal basis for the belief. A better argument is that if God made everyone the way they are, why would He make homosexuals unless He didn't mean for that to be a sin? If a person believes that God made people exactly as they are, how can they believe it is a sin for a person to happen to be born gay?

There are a lot of behaviors observed in animals in nature that are not considered "natural" in human society. Created in the image of the one God and equally endowed with rational souls, all men have the same nature and the same origin. Redeemed by the sacrifice of Christ, all are called to participate in the same divine beatitude: all therefore enjoy an equal dignity. The Catholic Church believes there is nothing sinful about being homosexual. But homosexuals like all unmarried people are called to celibacy. The Church specifically says that homosexuals "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided." Here is the text of the document, On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons (1986): http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df86ho.htm For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 2357-2359: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art6.htm#2357 With love in Christ.

I guess it all boils down to "the natural man", who has been "an enemy to God from the beginning", as holy writ declares of 'him'.

its natural for animals ... not humans

There is emerging evidence that people can be born with homosexual tendancies. There are also people who are born pathological liars, or kleptomaniacs, or clinical psychopaths with no remorse who kill people. Does this make their actions 'alright' just because they were born that way? I understand that these examples are very extreme, compared to homosexuality, which is (as a sin of the flesh) pretty far down on the sin list. However, it is still a sin, and people should work on avoiding it as much as possible.

According to science, homosexuality is an illness that can be cured. It is observed in animals in nature but that does not make it a natural occurrence. After all, animals do get ill. Christianity considers it a sin, but if we look into it, "Christianity" is a movement made by certain humans many years ago, according to the beliefs of our Lord Jesus Christ. It was not Jesus that has considered it a sin, but us humans. I am a Christian but I prefer the term "Illness" better, that the term "sin". This does not make me a non believer since I do believe. After all, "Belief" is a personal matter.

Because what an animal might do, who also are affected by the fall of man, does not necessarily define what is right for man, unless you believe that cannibalizing your young and even your mate is something humans should do!!! We are all born with a sinful nature, with a proclivity to sin, some in one way more than others (1 Jn. 2:14-16). But we are given self control (Gn. 4:7) to resist and to choose the opposite (unless sometimes if you continually give in to a sin), and we cannot justify sinning due to an inner attraction to it. God made man and women uniquely compatible and complementary, and sanctified and blessed sexual relations between them, by uniquely joining only male and females in marriage. All other sexual relations are unholy fornication, and homosexual relations are specfically prohibited and condemend. See pages here on that issue: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/ But some of the first Christians were former homosexuals (1 Cor. 6:11), and there is room at the cross for you!

Live your life according to very narrow rules, live in denial of your healthy natural instincts, force yourself into a box and make yourself unhappy, suffer in life if you dont naturally fit the mould and when you die you will be rewarded in a utopia we call heaven, oh and they are gods words, i know this and you dont, but its true cos im telling you it is. Oh well if you say its true, it must be...and whats that book you are waving around as evidence? oh its a cool book of fables written by a collection of men, well in that case im in. And i do believe jesus was white even tho he was born in the middle east in a time before the population was mobile, becuase you tell me he was. You are a so knowing, and its very clever that you grafted your religion on to other religions to make the illiterate population accept it easier, and yes i do believe that the catholic church is a force for good and not one of the worlds richest business, and it great that they offer up prayers for the starving and dying whilst managing thier vast property portfolio and fund investments. You are so right and your message of 'be like us' is certainly what i will do cos i dont want to burn in hell, its far better to be unhappy for all my life. Phew, thanks, id have not got into your happy place when i die if it wasnt for you. For crying out loud!!!!!!

Many would have you believe that animals have no souls either. So, many christians believe that since an animal has no soul is cannot commit a sin. I think they define a sin as a conscious action in defiance (or whatever) against whatever doctrine you believe in and since, apparently, animals do not have conscious thought they cannot sin. So, it all boils down to which bit you believe and which bit you follow.

Because Christians usually rely on the doctrine of their Churches. Those doctrines themselves are based on older traditions and various texts. 1) "The early Christian Church, the Roman Catholic Church the Eastern Orthodox Churches and, later, the Protestant churches have traditionally explicitly condemned sexual acts and desires between men, namely, "man lying with man as one lies with a woman" and men "burning with lust toward one another", and this has been extended to condemn homosexuality generally. Note that while the terms "homosexuality" and "homosexual" are of recent invention, the phenomena they represent are not. Whereas the Roman Catholic view is founded on a natural law argument informed by scripture and largely indebted to Thomas Aquinas, the Protestant view is based more directly upon scriptural verses." Source and further information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Christianity 2) "The most influential theologian of the Medieval period was Saint Thomas Aquinas, regarded by Catholics as a Doctor of the Church. His moral theology contained a strong element of teleological natural law. On his view, not all things to which a person might be inclined are "natural" in the morally relevant sense; rather, only the inclination to the full and proper expression of the human nature, and inclinations which align with that inclination, are natural. Contrary inclinations are perversions of the natural in the sense that they do seek a good, but in a way destructive of good. This view points from the natural to the Divine, because (following Aristotle) he said all people seek happiness; but according to Aquinas, happiness can only finally be attained through the Beatific Vision. Therefore all sins are also against the natural law. But the natural law of many aspects of life is knowable apart from special revelation by examining the forms and purposes of those aspects. It is in this sense that Aquinas considered homosexuality unnatural, since it involves a kind of partner other than the kind to which the purpose of sexuality points. Indeed, he considered it second only to bestiality as an abuse of sexuality." Source and further information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity_and_homosexuality For some reason, Aquinas saw the only purpose of sexuality in reproduction...

Im a christian and i go to mass, but i dont think being gay is a sin. I believe you are or are not. (I am not gay but have friends who are gay and i dont believe they are commiting sin by living according to their heart)

A NATURAL occurance is when 90% or 100% of a population does it. It is NOT a 'NATURAL' occurance when only 10% or 15% of a population does it. Does anyone else see this?

Because it gives them a reason to feel superior over other people.

The church needs for there to be as many options for sin as possible to stay in business. Its all about control. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Animals enjoy it, so should people who desire to also.

Some animals eat their feces and kill their mated after mating, should humans do that? Or are you very selective over what is natural?

what is considered natural in the animal world, is not considerd normal behavior for mankind. man was created in God's image, with Godlike qualities unlike the animal creation.

From Answersingenesis.org As evolutionary beliefs increasingly dominate our Western cultures, people turn to nature for guidance in their behavior, instead of God. This mentality is evident as humans look at animal behavior to justify human homosexual behavior. But letting the cursed animals be our guide is unwise for two major reasons: 1. A cursed world should not dictate our morality. God, the Author of morality, has the sole authority to dictate how mankind should live. 2. Many animals are also known to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize their own kind. If it is okay for humans to engage in homosexual acts because some animals do it, then by that same reasoning, it should be okay for humans to rape, murder, steal, and cannibalize. The common evolutionary argument that tries to justify homosexual behavior with evolution could go something like this: “Homosexuality is seldom discussed as a component in evolution, but it undoubtedly plays a role. Homosexual behavior has been observed in most animal species studied, and the higher we climb on the taxonomic tree toward mammals, the more apparent homosexual behavior we see.”1 So the question becomes, “What authority will guide your morality—God’s Word or cursed animals?” God’s authoritative statements about homosexual acts in Romans 1:25–32 and 1 Corinthians 6:9–13 clearly state that homosexual behavior is sinful and that trying to justify it is trying to justify sin. Lowering our standard of morality to that of an animal is not the way to determine right behavior. Our standard of morality must be grounded upon the infallible Word of our Creator God. See the web article, “Of Peguins and People” at www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/1001penguin.asp for a review of the popular movie March of the Peguins, in which these topics are discussed.