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Is there an active 'Mormon Mafia' functioning here on Answerbag? (The existence of the 'Mormon Mafia' has been substiantiated in a US Court see coments after Glenns answer for further information http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/4459/9463 )

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by Jodie44 on Mar 13, 2007 at 8:10 pm Permalink

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I was a member of Answerbag before anyone else who answered this question, besides Glenn Blaylock, and I can honestly and unequivocally tell you, no, there is no Mormon Mafia on Answerbag.

I am not pro-Mormon and I'm not anti-Mormon, so you can't accuse me of answering to suit anyone or anything but the truth. There is no "mafia" of ANY kind on Answerbag.

I'm tempted to say there's a small group of silly adults who are trying to start something, but I'll leave that alone, for now.

I will say this - if you attack these guys - or anyone else - based on their religion and/or church affiliation, you will look ridiculous to get all indignant when they respond defensively. Who doesn't get defensive when he's attacked? This kind of thing has happened several times in the past couple of years and it's real, real, old.

Just drop it. Freedom of religion and all that. For the sake of your own reputations and peace on Answerbag, good will toward Answerbaggers, please let it go.

Here's a little history about a war on Answerbag. Just like most wars, it got ugly, messy, and more complicated than anyone could have imagined. By the way, and just so you know, I really don't care if you rate this or not. I'm doing it because I'm too lazy to get into all this again. Anyone who knows me will tell you that's in keeping with my general mind-set <grin>

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Avatar Glenn Blaylock Mar, 13 2007 at 08:54 PM
Thank you for your answer. Believe it or not, I do get very tired of these wars too. I respect the rights of others to believe as they wish and I just wish that others would just extend that same respect to me. However, as you noted, when someone does attack my religion, I do defend it. I don't apologize for this at all.
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The predictable happened: just got dinged with a -2. Wonder why that took so long, LOL.
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I would like to give you a +6 but can't because this public computer is being tweaky... OH, there it goes!!!. congradulations... +50 in a question with 0 points.

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by Glenn Blaylock on Mar 13, 2007 at 7:37 pm Permalink

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Well, looking at JadeEzekiel84's links, I find the same old anti-Mormon propaganda techniques. The first link in his answer goes to a website that offers absolutely no outside substantiation for any of its claims. The links in the site only refer to other pages on that same site. As far as I can see from my perusal of the site, the author does not even cite any sources for any of his accusations. This gives me absolutely no reason to believe that he knows what he is writing about.

As for the second site, I did several web searches for more information of the case in question there. The only reference I could find that used "Mormon Mafia" in connection with the case were, surprise, surprise, anti-Mormon sites. The most unbiased account that I could find of the case ( http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-6977488.html ) makes no mention of a connection between the Church and the case. It does make clear that Mat Perez took his case all the way to officials in Washington. So, in order to believe the claims of a Mormon Mafia in this case, you have to believe that we pretty much control the FBI. I am sorry, but I find that hard to believe. It sounds to me like more of the same paranoid ranting that I have come to expect of the anti-Mormons.

BTW, the account of this that I found most amusing was the one where the author also claimed that we implant tracking devices into our babies during their naming ceremonies. Yep, it is the same old paranoid ravings. It's just that some people have to pin their paranoia on us rather than the CIA.

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"science_geek: Glenn - I find the tracking device claim to be pretty funny, and I do not give it credence. There is however a functional Mormon Mafia. You must surely know this. You all conspire to further your interests together all the time. I know that as I was raised in the Church, and I have seen it in action from both sides. You are the Liar here and you must surely know it. Is it acceptable for you to lie in the service of you Church? Obviously. The evidence is mounting rapidly. Thank you for being such a fine and shining example of what your 'faith' does for you. It helps me in my openly stated goal of helping innocents to avoid the pitfalls that your cult sets to ensnare them into being a dupe such as you are."

So, science_geek, are we also controlling the Council of Foreign Relations, The Bildaburger Group, the Skull and Bones Society, the New World Order, and the Illuminate? Did we assassinate JFK and fake the Moon landings? Your assertions have all the credibility of these other classic conspiracy theories.
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Avatar JadeEzekiel84 Mar, 15 2007 at 12:52 PM
and even if you did, I have proof, etc that can back up anything that tries to disprove the Bible. Excuse me if I am trying to make a difference in trying to get people to see the truth, that Mormonism was created based on lies. After they realize this, then they will still have the decision to stay there or go away. Maybe the truth hasn't been given to people, or another version. Unlike me, I have studied, I have gone to many different religions seeing which one would be the right one to go to, and come to find out, I love God, and I love the Words of God. The Bible is complete, and I don't need anything but the Bible to know what answers I need. God is not a liar, and God is not contrary. If anybody claims he is, they can show me where they think he is contrary, and I will show them that God is not. Unlike some religions I can defend my religion, because I live by the Truth, and the Truth is God.
Avatar JadeEzekiel84 Mar, 15 2007 at 12:59 PM
As I said before. God says to spread His Word and speak the Truth, and that is what I am doing. If you still believe (just like back then, Jews didn't even believe Jesus was walking on the Earth, even though He was right there in front of them.) that what you are believing is true, then that is your choice. I have done my job and that is present the truth. As my Mother has done with me, she is blunt and to the point, and even though I may not like it because it makes me wrong, I see later on, that she was telling me the truth. You see, just because you may not like what I am saying, I am saying the truth. I love everyone, and everyone is entitled to be wrong. I speak the truth. Just because you don't like anti-Mormon websites, like I have said before, you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible, you have to also use outside resources, and that includes anti-whatever religion you are sources. God's word has been backed up my anti-Christians, and other religious people as well.
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Bob, as I have repeatedly stated before, the Mormon mafia targets those who are unlikely to be noticed. They attack the weak. You and or your brother, Glenn stated that if even one or two witnesses could be produced that you would then give my claims credance. Yet now, with the witnesses having been produced, you attack the witnesses. Why don't you just admit that you are at a loss to explain why so many despise your evil cult? They HAVE done evil to me, my family and many of my freinds and acquaintances repeatedly over the years. They are blood suckers, (no insult to vampires or leaches intended they at least most likely have honor) and cause tremendous damage to the individuals they single out. I do not care that you and Glenn are dupes, you are most likely too far gone to ever see it for what it is. I simply and clearly wish only to help others to avoid the pitfalls of Mormonism. Tell me what my lies are, Bob, since you seem always to call everybody with whom you disagree a liar.

Answer 3 out of 10

by beenaroundtheblock on Mar 13, 2007 at 7:46 pm Permalink

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All I know is that I "got into it" on here one time about Mormonism (I was married to a Mormon once), I think the question was Why does everybody hate Mormons? I replied that I didn't think everyone did, but that some aspects of their religion did cause concern and suspicion. I cited what some of these were - baptismal for the dead, blessing of genitals, polygamy, the fact that the church social services (in some stakes) makes it a practice not to report child abuse, but rather to counsel and pray (I was also a social worker). Anyhow, my comments were magically deleted. If these are agian, I will believe in the Mormon Mafia.
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Avatar Anonymous Mar, 14 2007 at 02:54 PM
There is no “blessing of genitals” in the church, and there never was.
Avatar Rockie May, 08 2009 at 02:52 AM
Your comments are rude and untrue. If you don't want down ratings, be polite, respectful, accurate, and honest.
Avatar Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete Aug, 30 2009 at 06:56 AM
+4 4 u

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by laie_techie on Jan 4, 2009 at 1:42 pm Permalink

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The "Mormon Mafia" does not exist. "Mormon Mafia" is a term coined by Christopher Hansen, but has no official or legal meaning.
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Avatar laie_techie Jan, 04 2009 at 11:05 PM
OK, it finally dawned on me that "Mormon Mafia" refers to the Danites. The Danites were a group of Mormons who returned violence with violence (including burning down the houses of those who burned down Mormon houses). Joseph Smith Jr disbanded that group when he became aware of their activities.
Avatar truth seeker Jul, 22 2009 at 11:04 AM
Are you kidding me? Brigham Young made good use of the "Danite Warriors" as evidenced by the historical witnessed account by Ann Eliza Young's "The 19th Wife." Blood atonement was fully utilized e.g. suicide or murder of dissenters, sinners, and apostates as evidenced by a sermon by Apostle Grant AND Brigham Young (in the same conference). Here are the infamous words of Grant regarding the unhappiness of ALL of the women in the church regarding polygamy and asking for all sinners to come forward so that "we can shed their blood." This is all now hidden behind a good public relations facade, but the church needs to repent of polygamy, satanic blood oath "suffer my life to be taken" temple oath requirements for divulging secrets, and altering the Book of Mormon changing the identity of God (Mosiah 15:1-5, Alma 11: 23-40, Ether 3:14) as prophesied. The "plain and precious" truths of the Book of Mormon were taken out in 1837.
Avatar truth seeker Jul, 22 2009 at 11:07 AM
As declared by Apostle J. M. Grant on September 21, 1856 in a church sermon. He called for personal blood atonement (Mormon Mafia at work) and rebuked wives for complaining about polygamy.
“I would ask how many covenant breakers there are in this city and in this kingdom. I believe that there are a great many and if they are covenant breakers we need a place designated, where we can shed their blood... And we have women here who like anything but the celestial law of God; and if they could break asunder the cable of the Church of Christ, there is scarcely a mother in Israel but would do it this day. And they talk it to their husbands, to their daughters, and to their neighbors, and say they have not seen a week's happiness since they became acquainted with that law [plural marriage], or since their husbands took a second wife. Journal of Discourses, vol.4, pp.49

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by John Cox on Nov 8, 2009 at 1:23 am Permalink

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I thought mormon mafia was just a joke thing on myspace
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by truth seeker on Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 am Permalink

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Definitely. There are a number of "coincidental" deaths that have occurred that should be investigated. This ties into the LDS temple blood oath (Moses 5:29 Satan telling Cain to keep a secret or to "suffer his life to be taken"~actual LDS temple ceremonial words). Think about the timely death of Alan Barnes, son-in-law to Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Prophet. Alan had admitted to the FBI that he did write the bribery checks for the Salt Lake Olympics. This is documented in the Salt Lake Tribune newspaper article "Silent Witness." Just prior to the Olympic Scandal trial, Alan Barnes just happened to die weeks after this FBI investigation.
Lamont Mills, attorney uncovering LDS leader's corruption, David McComber (officer for whistleblowing), Lady Grace Yamamoto (informant), Doug Johnson (state employee hired wistleblowers for his divorce), Harold B. Lee (repenting of serious blood oath of secrecy & closed down the corporate sole of 1923 Corporation of the President of the church of Jesus Christ of LDS ~ went into hospital for back pain & died mysteriously), Hubert B. Layne (would not lie against innocent party), Paul H. Dunn (embarrassment d/t lies), Dr. Richard Vetterli (ghost writer for Jeffery Holland, knew the corruption of LDS leaders), Joseph K. Stumph, Jr. (sued Zion's Bank & stopped merger of Zion's bank and 1st Security Bank), Jeffery Hubbard (represented illegally fired Zion's Bank employee: David Cade), Pat Westphal (whistleblower), Neal A. Maxwell (CIA agent with CIA MKUltra mind control connection being exposed with Senator Frank Church's expose in Congressional Hearings) and many others also died a "coincidental and timely" death after exposure of their corruption or prior to wistleblowing/repentance.

Brigham Young made good use of the "Danite Warriors" as evidenced by the Mountain Meadow Massacre and historical witnessed account by Ann Eliza Young's "The 19th Wife." Blood atonement was fully utilized e.g. suicide or murder of dissenters, sinners, and apostates as evidenced by a sermon by Apostle Grant AND Brigham Young (in the same conference). Here are the infamous words of Grant regarding the unhappiness of ALL of the women in the church regarding polygamy and asking for all sinners to come forward so that "we can shed their blood." This is all now hidden behind a good public relations facade, but the church needs to repent of polygamy, satanic blood oath "suffer my life to be taken" temple oath requirements for divulging secrets, and altering the Book of Mormon changing the identity of God (Mosiah 15:1-5, Alma 11: 23-40, Ether 3:14) as prophesied. The "plain and precious" truths of the Book of Mormon were taken out in 1837.
truth seeker Jul, 22 2009 at 11:07 AM [Edit]
As declared by Apostle J. M. Grant on September 21, 1856 in a church sermon. He called for personal blood atonement (Mormon Mafia at work) and rebuked wives for complaining about polygamy.
“I would ask how many covenant breakers there are in this city and in this kingdom. I believe that there are a great many and if they are covenant breakers we need a place designated, where we can shed their blood... And we have women here who like anything but the celestial law of God; and if they could break asunder the cable of the Church of Christ, there is scarcely a mother in Israel but would do it this day. And they talk it to their husbands, to their daughters, and to their neighbors, and say they have not seen a week's happiness since they became acquainted with that law [plural marriage], or since their husbands took a second wife. Journal of Discourses, vol.4, pp.49
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by Anonymous on Aug 28, 2009 at 12:35 pm Permalink

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Mormon mafia is an understatement, if I've ever heard one. LOL Try to find someoner who is actually involved in organized crime and ask them about the mormons. I would put what I've heard on here but since many people have so much trouble believing the little things- they surely wouldn't accept some of the truly bazzare things that are going on.
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by Anonymous on Aug 11, 2009 at 7:15 pm Permalink

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When they actually believe the are the "Saints of the last days" as spoken of in the Book Of Daniel where "ALL their lawless deeds will be forgiven and they will rule the world forever" (read chapters 4 and 5, I think you'll find it there)- then there is nothing to stop them. Not murder, not theft, not dealing drugs (the CIA)- Nothing. So any mention of mormon mafia is an understatement, in my book.
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by Anonymous on Aug 11, 2009 at 7:01 pm Permalink

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It wouldn't be any surprise if there were and they were using this forum to identify people they believed were their enemies. They have been killing their resistance since day one (according to my research) and what would make them stop now?
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by JadeEzekiel84 on Mar 12, 2007 at 7:20 pm Permalink

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Well, considering the substantiating evidence that is given in this website and the sites provided, I would say that there is. As provided here is the website saying the the Mormon Mafia has taken control of many status' within this United States.
Website and a lot more where this came from.
This shows how the Mormon Mafia was started, and what has happened. It even gives you a place to ask the person who wrote it questions, and he will send you facts and the sites, and other information regarding his claims.
http://business.gorge.net/zdkf/kufol/kol-kss.html

And at the bottom of this website you will see that there was a case held in courts against a bunch of FBI agents who were Mormon, etc. Please read for yourself.
http://www.iclnet.org/.../crj0094a.html

If you would like to hear more about it, please read up for yourself by going on to Google, and in the Search bar type in "Mormon Mafia" there will be approximately 973 websites that have to deal with the Mormon Mafia, I have only given you to.

So in light of these sites and the information that they have given, I am sure there is Mormon Mafia Members on this site, as there seems to be Mormon Mafia everywhere.
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Avatar JadeEzekiel84 Mar, 14 2007 at 03:15 PM
As I said before. You are afraid of the truth about your Mormon religion. Stop assuming I am. Back up your own own statements that these people on the site, and that I am a crackpot and kook, if you can't and I am sure you CAN'T, then stop calling names. At least I backed up what I had to say, NONE of you, Including YOU, haven't been able to back up your dirty mouths, and minds.
Avatar Jabba The Hutt Mar, 14 2007 at 03:32 PM
Truly, I think that any sane person who examines http://business.gorge.net/zdkf/kufol/kol-kss.html http://business.gorge.net/zdkf/kufol and http://business.gorge.net/zdkf will agree with my characterization of it as the stuff of kooks and crackpots; and as a very poor reflection on the credibility and mental heath of anyone who actually finds anything on that site to be believable. I see little point in trying to continue to attempt a rational discussion with a madman.
Avatar JadeEzekiel84 Mar, 14 2007 at 03:45 PM
Like I said, provide proof that these people who said anything in this website is a crackpot. As I said before, you can even ask the people. Also if you would like, you can type in the Words "Mormon Mafia" and there is over 900 sites with those words, more than half of them have to do with people being subject to the Mormon Mafia, etc. I understand why you are being so harsh to me, it is because this type of stuff, discredits your religion, like a lot of other numerous things. Like Joseph Smith not actually seeing God's face, or Jesus. But instead the Devil, because the Devil can pretend to be an Angel, considering the Devil was a Fallen Angel who thought that he could be God. Anyway, another thing, is that your religion changes all the rules, and says that the way to get to Heaven is to PAY YOUR WAY, by TITHING. That is a bunch of crap in a bowl. You right there by your religion, is calling God a liar. So back up what you are saying, or else, you are talking out your ears.


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